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Post by Steve Marinucci on Oct 24, 2008 18:46:34 GMT -5
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Post by vectisfabber on Oct 25, 2008 4:22:10 GMT -5
He may very well have a point.
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Post by superhans on Oct 25, 2008 5:09:50 GMT -5
I doubt very much that McCartney approved of Spector's treatment of 'The long and winding road' at the time, as he claims. Everything else rings more or less true. Ian MacDonald, Lewisohn etc. have already attested to the fact that the tapes for 'The Long and winding road' were dog rough, with Lennon playing a terrible bassline. There was no doubt a considerable amount of antipathy directed towards Spector for getting invoved in a Beatles project... The whole thing was an unfortunate situation -- one entirely of the Beatles own making.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 25, 2008 11:37:53 GMT -5
He may very well have a point. While I certainly was prepared to dismiss Spector's words when seeing Steve's Thread title, I agree with vectis that much of what Phil says in this interview has merit . Of course I believe that Phil is a miserable creature for the way he treated Ronnie for all those years and that he is a murderer who is lucky that he committed his crime in LA where every juror has aspirations to be a star and wouldn't convict a celebrity even if the act was caught on tape. Phil made Let It Be commercial and that's what he was brought in to do. I feel that he has nothing to be ashamed of in that regard; in about everything else, yes, including his butcher work on ATMP. I still hope that he sits in prison for the rest of his life. Have a nice day, Phil.
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Post by mikev on Oct 25, 2008 11:42:28 GMT -5
"Spectahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! Spectahhhhhhh"- a drunk Lennon (actor portraying him) from John and Yoko a Love Story.
For months after that awful TV movie me and my bandmates would mock that line out at band practice.
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 25, 2008 18:36:42 GMT -5
So why do people say that John purposely played bad bass when it seems he didn't know what to play ?
Another myth ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2008 1:41:33 GMT -5
It's interesting that John played shite bass because he didn't know the chord changes. I'm not sure how many times he played bass on that song before it was recorded,but in any case,i thought John and Paul both had perfect pitch and if that was true for John then he should have been able to hear the changes and play it correctly....
Maybe playing by ear was another area where Paul was superior.
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Post by nine on Oct 26, 2008 1:49:57 GMT -5
He may very well have a point. in about everything else, yes, including his butcher work on ATMP. Is your complaint the Spector sound that he gave George? And..... George and John were obviously impressed with Phil after Let It Be. Even Yoko used him after John's death.... 9
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 26, 2008 3:25:56 GMT -5
in about everything else, yes, including his butcher work on ATMP. Is your complaint the Spector sound that he gave George? Yep. Phil was too heavyhanded on ATMP IMO. George thought so too per the liner notes for ATMP 2000. Oh, many parts are okay but songs like "Let It Down" and "Art Of Dying" are all but buried in the wall of sound.
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Post by nine on Oct 26, 2008 3:47:26 GMT -5
Is your complaint the Spector sound that he gave George? Yep. Phil was too heavyhanded on ATMP IMO. George thought so too per the liner notes for ATMP 2000. Oh, many parts are okay but songs like "Let It Down" and "Art Of Dying" are all but buried in the wall of sound. How many tracks do you think Phil was working with? Pepper was four and half the White Album was eight. Did Abbey Road EMI have more by ATMP? I am asking this because I'm curious about how things might be seperated/isolated. Lennon must have been strong with Phil with POB. That must have been so tough for Phil. The tempation to multi the pianios (for instance) in Remember must have been huge for the old looney. 9
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 26, 2008 12:52:55 GMT -5
Lennon must have been strong with Phil with POB. That must have been so tough for Phil. The tempation to multi the pianios (for instance) in Remember must have been huge for the old looney. That is the key in my opinion: Lennon was confident enough to reign in Spector while George was not. Imagine is lush in places but never over-cluttered. It still has a crisp feel. POB is as if Spector was not there although he can still be felt perhaps. ATMP sounds muddled to me production-wise. Maybe George needed a fuller sound for those songs to work. I don't completely discount Spector's genius. It separates ATMP from thin sounding efforts by George like Somewhere In England.
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Post by beatleroadie on Oct 26, 2008 18:06:32 GMT -5
Go watch the Classic Albums DVD on PLASTIC ONO BAND, and Yoko and Ringo both say that Phil Spector was missing in action until the very end when he supervised some "mixing." John wanted Spector to produce the record, even taking out an ad in the paper basically asking "Phil where are you?" kind of thing, but I'm so glad he didn't!
And I really wish Spector hadn't produced ATMP. Whenever I read about George's obsession with Dylan and The Band in '69 and '70, I image hearing what ATMP would sound like if it was just George, Ringo, Billy Preston and Clapton in a room playing together, real loose and low key like the Basement Tapes. That would have been the best solo Beatles record ever!
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Post by theoak on Oct 27, 2008 12:16:07 GMT -5
Lennon's bass on the Naked version sounds fine. Where did that come from?
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Post by mikev on Oct 27, 2008 12:26:55 GMT -5
I think they softened the bass line, making it sound a little more listenable.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Oct 27, 2008 20:15:40 GMT -5
in about everything else, yes, including his butcher work on ATMP. George and John were obviously impressed with Phil after Let It Be. Even Yoko used him after John's death.... 9 When was that, again....?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2008 1:54:09 GMT -5
I think they softened the bass line, making it sound a little more listenable. If John didn't play the right notes because he didn't know the changes then it wouldn't matter how soft the bass was,the notes would still be wrong...... If it's John's bassline on naked then it can't be as bad as is it's made out to be....
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Post by nine on Oct 28, 2008 3:12:23 GMT -5
George and John were obviously impressed with Phil after Let It Be. Even Yoko used him after John's death.... 9 When was that, again....? Yoko uses him on Season Of Glass - though perhaps thas was an old song she dug up from the past? Of course GEorge and John used Phil on POB, ATMP, SINYC and Bangladesh and several singles...
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