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Post by gloi on Jun 16, 2012 6:19:47 GMT -5
There's only one more book I want to read about the early history of the Beatles and I wish it would hurry up and come out. Maybe then there'll also be definitive answers to some of these questions.
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Post by sayne on Jun 16, 2012 8:17:13 GMT -5
I just realized something. For years we've had "RTP" with his Paul fetish. Now, we have "Beatlesattheirbest" with his (comment deleted by Steve) for Pete Best. Hope we don't have to wait too long for "Georgesweetlord" or "Johnismorethanporcelain" or "Ringogogo" or "Beefstu" to surface because I'd pay to see a celebrity death match between them. ;D
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Post by ursamajor on Jun 16, 2012 8:28:23 GMT -5
Gene Simmons of Kiss seems to agree with BATB. This is a response to an email on genesimmons.com from a Kiss fan not happy with Tommy and Eric in Ace and Peter makeup.
Hello Gene,
I was a fan of Kiss from the late 70's and through out the 80's but stopped when you allowed other players to put on the Ace and Peter characters. No disrespect to Tommy and Eric but to me that was a slap in face to Peter and Ace. I and other older fans would of preferred to see Tommy and Eric with their own make up ( characters ) or taken off the make up like you did in the 80's.
[red] Every once in a while, we get mail like this. And I respect it. I believe the few who write them are passionate.
Fair enough.
But using your same logic, you would stop listening to:
THE ROLLING STONES
THE WHO
THE BEATLES (the original drummer was Pete Best)
AC/DC
VAN HALEN
METALLICA
Want me to continue?
Thanks for the email at any rate Joe, and ultimately, if you don't like something just move on and have a good day. Don't torture yourself.
KISS continues to get bigger every year.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Jun 16, 2012 8:49:18 GMT -5
andyb - not true. Plenty of the comments posted here were directed at Pete Worst and tried to rewrite history regarding the great job he did while he was a member of the group. Nice to see you, Joe and others are beginning to back off some of your earlier comments. Looks like I am making some progress. gloi - What book is that? sayne - no need to get personal with the "hard on" comments. I talk mostly regarding Pete because that is the chapter of Beatles history that is the most filled with untruths, half truths & misleading reporting by lazy jouralists and fans of the group. ursamajor - I would have told Gene that it isn't the same thing as none of the groups he mentioned had their replacements dress up and pretend to be the person they replaced. Kiss also didn't get bigger after the replacements, they got smaller. After the replacements, every record store I went into for years had all of their Kiss records in the 99 cent cut out bin. They couldn't give them away and the band went from playing stadiums to playing halls. Kiss didn't start getting bigger until they brought back Ace & Peter and started doing reunion tours.
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Post by ursamajor on Jun 16, 2012 9:06:40 GMT -5
andyb - not true. Plenty of the comments posted here were directed at Pete Worst and tried to rewrite history regarding the great job he did while he was a member of the group. Nice to see you, Joe and others are beginning to back off some of your earlier comments. Looks like I am making some progress. gloi - What book is that? sayne - no need to get personal with the "hard on" comments. I talk mostly regarding Pete because that is the chapter of Beatles history that is the most filled with untruths, half truths & misleading reporting by lazy jouralists and fans of the group. ursamajor - I would have told Gene that it isn't the same thing as none of the groups he mentioned had their replacements dress up and pretend to be the person they replaced. Kiss also didn't get bigger after the replacements, they got smaller. After the replacements, every record store I went into for years had all of their Kiss records in the 99 cent cut out bin. They couldn't give them away and the band went from playing stadiums to playing halls. Kiss didn't start getting bigger until they brought back Ace & Peter and started doing reunion tours. The point was that he considers The Beatles as starting at the time they called themselves the Beatles ie 1960-1970 when Pete Best was the drummer, just like you do so you're not alone in this thought.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Jun 16, 2012 9:24:02 GMT -5
The point was that he considers The Beatles as starting at the time they called themselves the Beatles ie 1960-1970 when Pete Best was the drummer, just like you do so you're not alone in this thought. As did John Lennon. That makes 3 of us.
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Post by ursamajor on Jun 16, 2012 9:30:56 GMT -5
The point was that he considers The Beatles as starting at the time they called themselves the Beatles ie 1960-1970 when Pete Best was the drummer, just like you do so you're not alone in this thought. As did John Lennon. That makes 3 of us. Well that is true And Anthology was a great opportunity to rectify this but it was played down for whatever reason. I wanted to learn more about those early pre-fame years as well and preferably from Paul, George and Pete. I was always interested in Stu, he had the look and the charisma but we still don't know much about him, that's sad.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Jun 16, 2012 10:35:13 GMT -5
Well that is true And Anthology was a great opportunity to rectify this but it was played down for whatever reason. I wanted to learn more about those early pre-fame years as well and preferably from Paul, George and Pete. I was always interested in Stu, he had the look and the charisma but we still don't know much about him, that's sad. If you really want to learn some more about the early years of The Beatles, some information you won't find in Anthology, check this out... abbeyrd.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=petestu&thread=3796
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 16, 2012 16:17:41 GMT -5
Gene Simmons of Kiss seems to agree with BATB. This is a response to an email on genesimmons.com from a Kiss fan not happy with Tommy and Eric in Ace and Peter makeup. Hello Gene, I was a fan of Kiss from the late 70's and through out the 80's but stopped when you allowed other players to put on the Ace and Peter characters. No disrespect to Tommy and Eric but to me that was a slap in face to Peter and Ace. I and other older fans would of preferred to see Tommy and Eric with their own make up ( characters ) or taken off the make up like you did in the 80's. [red] Every once in a while, we get mail like this. And I respect it. I believe the few who write them are passionate. Fair enough. But using your same logic, you would stop listening to: THE ROLLING STONES THE WHO THE BEATLES (the original drummer was Pete Best) AC/DC VAN HALEN METALLICA Want me to continue? Thanks for the email at any rate Joe, and ultimately, if you don't like something just move on and have a good day. Don't torture yourself. KISS continues to get bigger every year. [/red] Gene is wrong about Pete Best (though correct about the other bands), and I'm surprised you don't see a difference too, Ursa. Because Ace and Peter were part of KISS after they "made it" and were having their hits and successes, and making their records. (Same thing with Brian Jones on the first Rolling Stones albums). But Pete Best was not there when The Beatles became famous and made their hit records beginning with the PLEASE PLEASE ME album. I don't see it the same way as losing Brian Jones, or losing Keith Moon.... because Pete Best was just one of many runner-ups who were a part of "the pre-fame days".
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Post by sayne on Jun 16, 2012 18:27:37 GMT -5
. . . sayne - no need to get personal with the (deleted by Steve) comments. I talk mostly regarding Pete because that is the chapter of Beatles history that is the most filled with untruths, half truths & misleading reporting by lazy jouralists and fans of the group. . . . Me thinks thou missed the forest for the trees and doth protest too much because of it.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jun 16, 2012 18:29:57 GMT -5
Gene Simmons of Kiss seems to agree with BATB. This is a response to an email on genesimmons.com from a Kiss fan not happy with Tommy and Eric in Ace and Peter makeup. Hello Gene, I was a fan of Kiss from the late 70's and through out the 80's but stopped when you allowed other players to put on the Ace and Peter characters. No disrespect to Tommy and Eric but to me that was a slap in face to Peter and Ace. I and other older fans would of preferred to see Tommy and Eric with their own make up ( characters ) or taken off the make up like you did in the 80's. [red] Every once in a while, we get mail like this. And I respect it. I believe the few who write them are passionate. Fair enough. But using your same logic, you would stop listening to: THE ROLLING STONES THE WHO THE BEATLES (the original drummer was Pete Best) AC/DC VAN HALEN METALLICA Want me to continue? Thanks for the email at any rate Joe, and ultimately, if you don't like something just move on and have a good day. Don't torture yourself. KISS continues to get bigger every year. [/red] Gene is wrong about Pete Best (though correct about the other bands), and I'm surprised you don't see a difference too, Ursa. Because Ace and Peter were part of KISS after they "made it" and were having their hits and successes, and making their records. (Same thing with Brian Jones on the first Rolling Stones albums). But Pete Best was not there when The Beatles became famous and made their hit records beginning with the PLEASE PLEASE ME album. I don't see it the same way as losing Brian Jones, or losing Keith Moon.... because Pete Best was just one of many runner-ups who were a part of "the pre-fame days". He wasn't there for the original released masters of Love Me Do in 1962 either.
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Post by beatlesattheirbest on Jun 16, 2012 18:51:19 GMT -5
[quote author=sayne board=petestu thread=3800 post=50745 time=1339889257[/quote]
Me thinks thou missed the forest for the trees and doth protest too much because of it. [/quote]
WTF???
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Post by sayne on Jun 17, 2012 0:34:52 GMT -5
Me thinks thou missed the forest for the trees and doth protest too much because of it. WTF??? Oh, so I can't say (deleted by Steve), but it's okay to write "WTF"? What the heck does the "F" mean? "Fahrvergnügen"? Aren't we all supposed to be adult enough to use adult innuendo? I didn't call you a (deleted by Steve) or a (deleted by Steve) or a (double deleted by Steve). I said you had a (deleted by Steve). I have a feeling that most people here were amused by my post and didn't think that it was a vulgar insult meant to be personal. Actually, I haven't found any of your posts to be problematic. Silly, maybe; amusing, occasionally. But, not of any kind to cause me any animus towards you. Please don't be so hard on me.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 17, 2012 1:01:06 GMT -5
Oh, so I can't say (deleted by Steve), but it's okay to write "WTF"? What the heck does the "F" mean? "Fahrvergnügen"? Aren't we all supposed to be adult enough to use adult innuendo? I didn't call you a (deleted by Steve) or a (deleted by Steve) or a (double deleted by Steve). I said you had a (deleted by Steve). I have a feeling that most people here were amused by my post and didn't think that it was a vulgar insult meant to be personal. Actually, I haven't found any of your posts to be problematic. Silly, maybe; amusing, occasionally. But, not of any kind to cause me any animus towards you. Please don't be so hard on me. WTF isn't referring to a sexual function and also isn't blatant.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 7:11:43 GMT -5
Although it is true that I spend more time responding to you than everyone else here combined, I don't post just to have discussions with you. Well, that's because I'm the most prominent one really taking the time of challenging you. And actually, you WERE having a discussion with me. You incorrectly listed 'fabfour' as having presented that Graham quote to you at the start of this thread -- but that was me, not FF... If Bobby Graham said: "why would I want to join a band in Liverpool that nobody's ever heard of'?" I guess he did not share Bob Wooler's opinion that the Beatles were a "phenomenon"! Even Brian Epstein did not know they were regulars at the Cavern Club right down the way -- and he owned a music store! Brian had to learn about The Beatles from fans requesting their record from GERMANY! People thought they were a German band! Wow, that's some "phenomenon"! I think quoted post is incorrect.. If you read page 4 of that thread i mentioned Bobby Graham some posts before Joe did, hence BOTB's initial reaction to my post that someone had given him something to cling to..... abbeyrd.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=petestu&action=display&thread=3801&page=4
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Post by sayne on Jun 17, 2012 11:44:23 GMT -5
WTF isn't referring to a sexual function and also isn't blatant. Huh? Then WTF does the "F" stand for? Isn't it one of George Carlin's 7 words you can't (couldn't) say on TV. Did I miss the vocabulary sea change?
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 17, 2012 14:19:47 GMT -5
WTF isn't referring to a sexual function and also isn't blatant. Huh? Then WTF does the "F" stand for? Isn't it one of George Carlin's 7 words you can't (couldn't) say on TV. Did I miss the vocabulary sea change? It does, but it's not the word itself. I'm trying not to be a tyrant here.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 14, 2012 13:59:13 GMT -5
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Post by Ace Backwords on Aug 16, 2012 16:15:22 GMT -5
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Post by lowbasso on Aug 16, 2012 21:57:29 GMT -5
Wonder if someone mentioned it to Paul today..... It's also 35 years ago that Elvis checked out. Guess Aug. 16 is not a good day for Rock Music? Or take the perspective that Pete's firing opened the door for Ringo. Then it's a good day...
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Post by RockoRoll on Aug 18, 2012 5:02:52 GMT -5
Absolute magic *Debjorgo* thx for the link, I shall treasure it in my library.....
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 18, 2012 15:47:35 GMT -5
Rocko, your signature photo is awesome. It is wild that 40 year old John looks as old(or older) than Anthology-era Ringo, Paul and George and they must have been in their mid-50's.
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Post by RockoRoll on Aug 18, 2012 18:19:14 GMT -5
Rocko, your signature photo is awesome. It is wild that 40 year old John looks as old(or older) than Anthology-era Ringo, Paul and George and they must have been in their mid-50's. Thx JSD, I stumbled on the photo on one of the Beatles Facebook sites, whoever did it must be a Graphic Designer or someone very talented with Photoshop.....To remove George Martin's top half (his head, but his clothes remained), and choose a nice photo of John, was overall an *awesome* job........
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Post by Snookeroo on Aug 22, 2012 16:39:53 GMT -5
Rocko, your signature photo is awesome. It is wild that 40 year old John looks as old(or older) than Anthology-era Ringo, Paul and George and they must have been in their mid-50's. Thx JSD, I stumbled on the photo on one of the Beatles Facebook sites, whoever did it must be a Graphic Designer or someone very talented with Photoshop.....To remove George Martin's top half (his head, but his clothes remained), and choose a nice photo of John, was overall an *awesome* job........ That is an incredible photoshop job. It's cool, but very, very sad to me at the same time.
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Post by Panther on Dec 8, 2014 5:33:50 GMT -5
Not that anyone cares at this point (or ever did), but I just thought I'd point out that Beatles-at-their-Best's claims here have been definitively disproven in Lewisohn's Tune In, which makes clear (Lewisohn having access to Epstein's contracts from 1962, etc.) that Ringo was a full member of The Beatles from the moment he joined. Tune In also, of course, turns up a mountain of evidence that the three founder-Beatles were talking about dispensing with Pete as early as 1961, and probably 1960. Not that that's a surprise to anyone.
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Post by andyb on Dec 8, 2014 6:52:31 GMT -5
Yep. I'm sure we tried to point out, at the time, that the available evidence suggested that Pete didn't fit in and wasn't good enough.
I remember he even posted a video that misconstrued an answer that John gave in a press conference to try and back up his claims. That definitely backfired because it demonstrated his bias. He was slightly misguided and unable to evaluate evidence effectively, especially when confronted with people who had as good or greater knowledge than he did. He got angry a lot and failed back up any of his claims whatsoever.
All the Beatle comments and those of their associates pointed to the conclusion that Lewisohn so effectively sealed the case. Not only that but Mark found more anecdotal and written evidence along with original documents and documents pertaining to Ringo being a full time member from day one.
Top man that Lewisohn fella!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 4:10:10 GMT -5
Top man that Lewisohn fella! Can we get Yoko to confirm that
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Post by jim on Jan 2, 2018 18:29:47 GMT -5
johnny hutchinson sat in on 3 gigs with the beatles after firing pete best. brian epstein asked johnny to sit in on 3 gigs he refused and brian asked johnny who could i get johnny said ringo a good drummer, the info is out there its public info ringo even mentioned johnny hutchinson turning down the job brian asked ringo if he could start on a wednesday in 62 he said no and joined in the next saturday and johnny filled in unti ringo could join
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