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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 24, 2012 23:01:22 GMT -5
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Post by acebackwords on Jun 30, 2012 16:06:54 GMT -5
Thanks for posting. Great job putting the video together.
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Post by Snookeroo on Jul 4, 2012 12:27:04 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that Steve. it was good to see it after all the hype (and pain).
I really didn't learn anything new from it as far as Beatles history goes. I tried to view it as objectively as possible although I couldn't completely erase all the uglyness that occured here before this. I got the feeling that the film wanted me to be convinced that the Beatles were at their absolute best before they became huge, and that us poor bastards that missed that are left with only those "lousy" recordings they made between 1962 and 1970. That ain't happening. I think that the only new Pete Best realted project that would be exciting would be to have Paul and Ringo talk about Pete (probably ain't happening either), or to actually get them in the same room. Actually, poor Mona (rest in peace) didn't come off any better in my eyes after watching this. I knew she bore a child with (much younger) Neil, and she had a club in her basement. I didn't know she financed the house betting on a horse race. There were a lot of people who played a part in the Bealtes rise to fame - Pete included. His, Mona's, and Stu's part are about the same in my mind as they were before I watched this. I guess that if the question were asked: If the band had grabbed a different drummer in their desperation to get to Hamburg as a full band; would the basic story of the rise to fame have changed much? I don't think so. Although, if Pete hadn't been there to "unimpress" George Martin in 1962 we may never have gotten Ringo. This would have been so much better if Ringo was there for the asking before Hamburg.
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Post by scousette on Jul 4, 2012 14:34:30 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that Steve. it was good to see it after all the hype (and pain). I really didn't learn anything new from it as far as Beatles history goes. I tried to view it as objectively as possible although I couldn't completely erase all the uglyness that occured here before this. I got the feeling that the film wanted me to be convinced that the Beatles were at their absolute best before they became huge, and that us poor bastards that missed that are left with only those "lousy" recordings they made between 1962 and 1970. That ain't happening. I think that the only new Pete Best realted project that would be exciting would be to have Paul and Ringo talk about Pete (probably ain't happening either), or to actually get them in the same room. Actually, poor Mona (rest in peace) didn't come off any better in my eyes after watching this. I knew she bore a child with (much younger) Neil, and she had a club in her basement. I didn't know she financed the house betting on a horse race. There were a lot of people who played a part in the Bealtes rise to fame - Pete included. His, Mona's, and Stu's part are about the same in my mind as they were before I watched this. I guess that if the question were asked: If the band had grabbed a different drummer in their desperation to get to Hamburg as a full band; would the basic story of the rise to fame have changed much? I don't think so. Although, if Pete hadn't been there to "unimpress" George Martin in 1962 we may never have gotten Ringo. This would have been so much better if Ringo was there for the asking before Hamburg. I think it was put together well but I have to agree with Snookeroo that it didn't really add anything to the story.
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Post by mikev on Jul 4, 2012 19:37:34 GMT -5
If anything I have NEVER seen a picture of Mona Best before. Seems like a pretty woman.
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Post by Snookeroo on Jul 4, 2012 21:10:53 GMT -5
If anything I have NEVER seen a picture of Mona Best before. Seems like a pretty woman. Neil Aspinall thought so ;D Have you ever seen this Mike?
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 4, 2012 22:48:35 GMT -5
Mona Best was a gambling, easy to bed hussie who was a wannabe music promoter. She comes across like the stage-mom she was in this interview, not letting Pete get in a word. Screw her! She was Pete's biggest problem, sticking her nose in his business all the time. Maybe if Pete had more of a personality and fit in, the others could have lived with him as a drummer. I have seen this video before and it reaffirms my opinion that The Beatles made the right choice! No way was John, Paul and George going to throw their lot in with Mona Best who I think thought that she was the star, not even her son. What was Aspinall thinking when hew shagged her? Couldn't find a lass his own age, eh? Julian Lennon has the same problem of always wanting mommy in on the action. I think those kind of chaps, Pete and Julian, might be a little incestuous.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jul 5, 2012 0:10:02 GMT -5
Mona Best was a gambling, easy to bed hussie who was a wannabe music promoter. She comes across like the stage-mom she was in this interview, not letting Pete get in a word. Screw her! She was Pete's biggest problem, sticking her nose in his business all the time. Maybe if Pete had more of a personality and fit in, the others could have lived with him as a drummer. I have seen this video before and it reaffirms my opinion that The Beatles made the right choice! No way was John, Paul and George going to throw their lot in with Mona Best who I think thought that she was the star, not even her son. What was Aspinall thinking when hew shagged her? Couldn't find a lass his own age, eh? Julian Lennon has the same problem of always wanting mommy in on the action. I think those kind of chaps, Pete and Julian, might be a little incestuous. Yeah, there's a theory that Mona was the reason Pete got drummed out of the Beatles.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 3:18:30 GMT -5
Mona Best was a gambling, easy to bed hussie who was a wannabe music promoter. She comes across like the stage-mom she was in this interview, not letting Pete get in a word. Screw her! She was Pete's biggest problem, sticking her nose in his business all the time. Maybe if Pete had more of a personality and fit in, the others could have lived with him as a drummer. I have seen this video before and it reaffirms my opinion that The Beatles made the right choice! No way was John, Paul and George going to throw their lot in with Mona Best who I think thought that she was the star, not even her son. What was Aspinall thinking when hew shagged her? Couldn't find a lass his own age, eh? Julian Lennon has the same problem of always wanting mommy in on the action. I think those kind of chaps, Pete and Julian, might be a little incestuous. Maybe those 2 are really who the movie, Bad Boy Bubbie, was based on on...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 5, 2012 5:32:06 GMT -5
Mona Best who I think thought that she was the star, not even her son. What was Aspinall thinking when hew shagged her? Couldn't find a lass his own age, eh? He probably was thinking: "MILF!!"
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Post by andyb on Jul 5, 2012 12:43:47 GMT -5
Mona Best was a gambling, easy to bed hussie who was a wannabe music promoter. She comes across like the stage-mom she was in this interview, not letting Pete get in a word. Screw her! She was Pete's biggest problem, sticking her nose in his business all the time. Maybe if Pete had more of a personality and fit in, the others could have lived with him as a drummer. I have seen this video before and it reaffirms my opinion that The Beatles made the right choice! No way was John, Paul and George going to throw their lot in with Mona Best who I think thought that she was the star, not even her son. What was Aspinall thinking when hew shagged her? Couldn't find a lass his own age, eh? Julian Lennon has the same problem of always wanting mommy in on the action. I think those kind of chaps, Pete and Julian, might be a little incestuous. Yeah, there's a theory that Mona was the reason Pete got drummed out of the Beatles. So even Mona was a better drummer than Pete. ;D
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Post by lowbasso on Jul 5, 2012 16:26:26 GMT -5
Yeah, there's a theory that Mona was the reason Pete got drummed out of the Beatles. So even Mona was a better drummer than Pete. ;D She definitely believed in the "rhythm" method. Neil Aspinall found that out the hard way..... ;D
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Post by andyb on Jul 5, 2012 16:46:58 GMT -5
So even Mona was a better drummer than Pete. ;D She definitely believed in the "rhythm" method. Neil Aspinall found that out the hard way..... ;D Is that were you shake your maracas and then finish on the triangle?
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Post by Snookeroo on Jul 5, 2012 18:58:43 GMT -5
The whole "mom" thing might hold some truth. John and Paul were each forging their way through life with no mom. Paul was lucky to have a strong dad. By all accounts George's parents didn't pry much into his music world. But Pete seems to have been a real momma's boy. That could really turn off a guy like John who had plenty of mother baggage. I'm starting to see Mona as sort of a female Alan Klein.
Hey, if Mona Best was such managerial figure to the band, then why didn't that cause problems when Epstein came along?
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Post by gloi on Jul 6, 2012 7:32:28 GMT -5
I may have told this on here before but my one encounter with Mona Best was in the late 1970s when Allan Williams took a bus load of Beatles fans on a tour of Liverpool and dropped in at her house. She came to the door in her dressing gown and gave Allan such a tongue lashing! Very entertaining for me as a teenager. He also called in at Adrian Henri's house and he came to the bedroom window stark naked and also told Allan to eff off.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 6, 2012 8:09:06 GMT -5
I may have told this on here before but my one encounter with Mona Best was in the late 1970s when Allan Williams took a bus load of Beatles fans on a tour of Liverpool and dropped in at her house. She came to the door in her dressing gown and gave Allan such a tongue lashing! Very entertaining for me as a teenager. He also called in at Adrian Henri's house and he came to the bedroom window stark naked and also told Allan to eff off. That is hilarious! That's the kind of tour I would love, not the sanitized ones on all the official sites.
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Post by mikev on Jul 6, 2012 9:03:56 GMT -5
If anything I have NEVER seen a picture of Mona Best before. Seems like a pretty woman. Neil Aspinall thought so ;D Have you ever seen this Mike? Thought I responded to this earlier. Um...a little less attractive when she talks...but I heard old Neil put her down ;D.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 6, 2012 11:11:18 GMT -5
Neil Aspinall thought so ;D Have you ever seen this Mike? Thought I responded to this earlier. Um...a little less attractive when she talks...but I heard old Neil put her down ;D. Well, I hope Neil Aspinall will remember, That Mona Best needs him around, every day!
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Post by scousette on Jul 6, 2012 12:22:18 GMT -5
I may have told this on here before but my one encounter with Mona Best was in the late 1970s when Allan Williams took a bus load of Beatles fans on a tour of Liverpool and dropped in at her house. She came to the door in her dressing gown and gave Allan such a tongue lashing! Very entertaining for me as a teenager. He also called in at Adrian Henri's house and he came to the bedroom window stark naked and also told Allan to eff off. LOL! "Best" Beatles Tour Ever! Gloi, did Allan have folks buy him pints at the Grapes?
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Post by lowbasso on Jul 6, 2012 20:31:15 GMT -5
Neil Aspinall almost walked away from The Beatles when Pete was kicked out of the band in Aug. 1962. He was very close to Pete at the time (even closer to his mother, I guess too) and was initially very angry that Pete was out. but Pete convinced him to stay working for the band as he thought they were on the cusp of making it big when they would record with Parlophone the following month. So Neil stayed.
But I always wondered how Pete felt when he found out Neil was having an affair with his mother and got her pregnant.
I would have thought The Beatles would have fired Neil over that incident, but they kept him on. Though John probably got a kick out of the whole affair; literally...
And some 30 years later, it was Neil who persuaded Paul, George, & Ringo to give Pete some financial restitution for the tracks he appeared on in the Anthology. Was that Neil trying to make "ammends" with Pete over everything the band had done to him; first the Fabs kicking him out, and then Neil's affair with his mother?
If I recall right, Pete did attend Neil's funeral when he passed away. So I guess Pete was ok with what happened between his mother and Neil?
What a Soap Opera!!!
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 7, 2012 10:45:10 GMT -5
Neil Aspinall almost walked away from The Beatles when Pete was kicked out of the band in Aug. 1962. He was very close to Pete at the time (even closer to his mother, I guess too) and was initially very angry that Pete was out. but Pete convinced him to stay working for the band as he thought they were on the cusp of making it big when they would record with Parlophone the following month. So Neil stayed. But I always wondered how Pete felt when he found out Neil was having an affair with his mother and got her pregnant. I would have thought The Beatles would have fired Neil over that incident, but they kept him on. Though John probably got a kick out of the whole affair; literally... And some 30 years later, it was Neil who persuaded Paul, George, & Ringo to give Pete some financial restitution for the tracks he appeared on in the Anthology. Was that Neil trying to make "ammends" with Pete over everything the band had done to him; first the Fabs kicking him out, and then Neil's affair with his mother? If I recall right, Pete did attend Neil's funeral when he passed away. So I guess Pete was ok with what happened between his mother and Neil? What a Soap Opera!!! I have often said that the four, Lennon in particular, must have teased Neil mercilessly about that! Or if they were cross with him the joking about it not so nice. The thing about Neil convincing the others to give Pete royalties(or some payment) for Anthology is fascinating and I'd like to read the true account on that. The four guys(and now two Estates) have been very generous with certain charities or causes of their choice but were/are notoriously tightwads as to paying their help and even musicians they work with. I don't think Paul, George, Ringo and the Lennon Estate agreed to pay Pete out of sympathy or sentimental reasons. Neil most likely used sound business and legal reasoning with them, reminding them that this was the first time The Beatles themselves(through Apple) were releasing this material with Pete on it and that he might have a claim for performance royalties or something. Neil as business manager was just clearing one more legal obstacle to the release of the sweeping Anthology project. I am sure Neil was secretly happy Pete got paid but I am sure he presented it to the Beatles as a legal roadblock, not a moral duty! We know how the latter plea would have been responded to by the four camps! ;D
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Post by Snookeroo on Jul 7, 2012 15:02:27 GMT -5
Why should somebody like Paul McCartney pay a musician more for their services than anyone else would pay? Just because he's an ex-Beatle?
Denny Laine is a strange story to me. Maybe I just know all the details. He's portrayed as this poor bastard whose life was in ruins because Paul got busted in 1980. He was with Paul nearly a decade. It must have been a pretty good gig for him to stick around that long.
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Post by lowbasso on Jul 7, 2012 20:38:42 GMT -5
Neil Aspinall almost walked away from The Beatles when Pete was kicked out of the band in Aug. 1962. He was very close to Pete at the time (even closer to his mother, I guess too) and was initially very angry that Pete was out. but Pete convinced him to stay working for the band as he thought they were on the cusp of making it big when they would record with Parlophone the following month. So Neil stayed. But I always wondered how Pete felt when he found out Neil was having an affair with his mother and got her pregnant. I would have thought The Beatles would have fired Neil over that incident, but they kept him on. Though John probably got a kick out of the whole affair; literally... And some 30 years later, it was Neil who persuaded Paul, George, & Ringo to give Pete some financial restitution for the tracks he appeared on in the Anthology. Was that Neil trying to make "ammends" with Pete over everything the band had done to him; first the Fabs kicking him out, and then Neil's affair with his mother? If I recall right, Pete did attend Neil's funeral when he passed away. So I guess Pete was ok with what happened between his mother and Neil? What a Soap Opera!!! I have often said that the four, Lennon in particular, must have teased Neil mercilessly about that! Or if they were cross with him the joking about it not so nice. The thing about Neil convincing the others to give Pete royalties(or some payment) for Anthology is fascinating and I'd like to read the true account on that. The four guys(and now two Estates) have been very generous with certain charities or causes of their choice but were/are notoriously tightwads as to paying their help and even musicians they work with. I don't think Paul, George, Ringo and the Lennon Estate agreed to pay Pete out of sympathy or sentimental reasons. Neil most likely used sound business and legal reasoning with them, reminding them that this was the first time The Beatles themselves(through Apple) were releasing this material with Pete on it and that he might have a claim for performance royalties or something. Neil as business manager was just clearing one more legal obstacle to the release of the sweeping Anthology project. I am sure Neil was secretly happy Pete got paid but I am sure he presented it to the Beatles as a legal roadblock, not a moral duty! We know how the latter plea would have been responded to by the four camps! ;D I agree with you. Neil paid Pete for Anthology and got the others to agree so everything was on the up and up legally. And I also wonder if he was also using the Anthology project as an excuse to give Pete some money to rectify the way Pete was summarily dismissed in 1962, missing out on any financial remuneration for his Beatles recordings that became popular bootlegs decades later. Pete did go to Neil's funeral. So I guess he was ok with what happened between his friend and his mother. Neil kept his mouth shut on the Pete Best Dismissal episode (as he did with all the countless other personal Beatles episodes he witnessed) during his lifetime. The Beatles were lucky he stayed on after they fired his friend from the band 50 years ago next month.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 8, 2012 14:01:50 GMT -5
It is a wonder that both Neil agreed to stay and that the Beatles let an insider to the Best Family stay on. But it was only 1962 before things got "Fab" big which was 1963 and beyond. If Neil had still been having an affair with Mona in 1965 then the Beatles may have been concerned on loyalty(and taste!).
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Post by Snookeroo on Jul 8, 2012 23:32:01 GMT -5
Roag Best was born mere weeks before Pete was fired. I wonder if Epstein was at all concerned about the possible bad publicity of one of the bands inner-circle having fathered this child. It would have been a hell of a story as the band rose to fame. I'm surprised Mona didn't sell the story to some rag newspaper. How involved was Neil with Roag in those early years?
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Post by mikev on Jul 9, 2012 7:21:48 GMT -5
Roag Best was born mere weeks before Pete was fired. I wonder if Epstein was at all concerned about the possible bad publicity of one of the bands inner-circle having fathered this child. It would have been a hell of a story as the band rose to fame. I'm surprised Mona didn't sell the story to some rag newspaper. How involved was Neil with Roag in those early years? History might have been different if they had TMZ back in those days ;D
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Post by gloi on Jul 9, 2012 10:46:36 GMT -5
LOL! "Best" Beatles Tour Ever! Gloi, did Allan have folks buy him pints at the Grapes? ;D , Allan had folks buy him pints anywhere and everywhere! I must have bought him quite a few myself over the years.
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Post by Panther on Jul 10, 2012 6:14:28 GMT -5
I guess Neil is the only one who knows if she is really a "Mona" or a "screama"...
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