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Post by mikev on Nov 26, 2012 15:38:20 GMT -5
A nice rehearsal video I have never seen before. George's later cheesy mustache period. Maybe he influenced Green Bay's Rogers? I know Rogers did it for awareness, but man does he look like a 70s porn star...
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 25, 2012 1:17:39 GMT -5
That was very nice. George was much more relaxed here than in the actual concert version. That was a good concert marred big time by Dylan and George not walking out and telling the crowd to shut up when it booed Sinead off the stage.
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Post by Panther on Jan 16, 2013 8:56:25 GMT -5
George himself looked like a 70s-porn-star when he appeared on that German disco TV show in about 1977. That was a bit sad.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 16, 2013 10:30:42 GMT -5
That was a good concert marred big time by Dylan and George not walking out and telling the crowd to shut up when it booed Sinead off the stage. I watched that Live when it happened. I loved the audience boos and hisses. It was one of the best home-cheering memories I have to this day! That creep Sinead deserved every second of it. That idiot Kris Kristoffersen was heard telling her something like "don't let those bastards get you down". Yeah -- we, those "bastards" who made all of you what you are.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 16, 2013 10:32:19 GMT -5
George himself looked like a 70s-porn-star when he appeared on that German disco TV show in about 1977. That was a bit sad. That was the look at that time which was far from "sad" in its day, and it was much more preferable to wearing a backwards baseball cap with your pants sagging down to your ankles, like today.
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Post by mikev on Jan 16, 2013 12:26:34 GMT -5
I watched it live on pay-for-view and also taped it. My brother's friend borrowed the tape and criticized me for editing out Pearl Jam, but keeping Johnny Cash and June Carter's performance intact. Sorry didn't want to run out of valuable tape...
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 16, 2013 13:14:27 GMT -5
That was a good concert marred big time by Dylan and George not walking out and telling the crowd to shut up when it booed Sinead off the stage. I watched that Live when it happened. I loved the audience boos and hisses. It was one of the best home-cheering memories I have to this day! That creep Sinead deserved every second of it. That idiot Kris Kristoffersen was heard telling her something like "don't let those bastards get you down". Yeah -- we, those "bastards" who made all of you what you are. But didn't Sinead rip up a picture of the Pope to protest the alleged RC cover-up of decades of sexual abuse perpetrated by priests against children? Sounds right up Bob and George's alley and I say that as an RC myself.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 16, 2013 13:23:33 GMT -5
But didn't Sinead rip up a picture of the Pope to protest the alleged RC cover-up of decades of sexual abuse perpetrated by priests against children? Sounds right up Bob and George's alley and I say that as an RC myself. Sure, she did. That's why she was booed... she had no business misusing her live spot on SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE to tear up a picture of the Pope (and I personally couldn't care less about the Pope or organized religion in general). I'm not concerned with what George Harrison and Bob Dylan think on the issue; I'm only saying I'm personally glad she was booed off the stage so hard by the audience that she was unable to perform her number (or to make any other unwelcome shots against The Pope). She said "Fight the real enemy" (or something similar) when she tore up the photo. Yeah, sure -- The Pope is the real enemy on this Earth. . I also feel sorry for the many good priests out there who are victims of that 'child abuse' stereotype.
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Post by mikev on Jan 16, 2013 14:06:04 GMT -5
But didn't Sinead rip up a picture of the Pope to protest the alleged RC cover-up of decades of sexual abuse perpetrated by priests against children? Sounds right up Bob and George's alley and I say that as an RC myself. Sure, she did. That's why she was booed... she had no business misusing her live spot on SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE to tear up a picture of the Pope (and I personally couldn't care less about the Pope or organized religion in general). I'm not concerned with what George Harrison and Bob Dylan think on the issue; I'm only saying I'm personally glad she was booed off the stage so hard by the audience that she was unable to perform her number (or to make any other unwelcome shots against The Pope). She said "Fight the real enemy" (or something similar) when she tore up the photo. Yeah, sure -- The Pope is the real enemy on this Earth. . I also feel sorry for the many good priests out there who are victims of that 'child abuse' stereotype. As a RC , I was offended at the time and hooted to the TV when she got booed off the stage. Since then, though, it appears there was a LOT of RC cover-up of priestly scandals and just like Penn State, the Church needs to take its lumps. At that time- there was very little discussion about what turrned out to be a mountain of holy corruption that spanned the globe. "Sinbad" was right.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 16, 2013 15:04:05 GMT -5
As a RC , I was offended at the time and hooted to the TV when she got booed off the stage. Since then, though, it appears there was a LOT of RC cover-up of priestly scandals I don't doubt all that. Bottom Line for me is, she had no business using SNL to sneak her own agenda in there. Was that moment -- unscripted -- and on a live TV show - the right moment to impose her views like that? It doesn't matter now. She was just another of a gazillion flashes in the pan anyway. She paid the price for her foolishness, and her entire career (what little there had been with one hit song anyway) ended once she pulled her little stunt. By the way, what does "RC" mean, anyway? Roman Catholic?
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Post by andyb on Jan 16, 2013 17:10:33 GMT -5
Yep. Seems like that was what was happening. Loads of 'em. Well done to her if drawing attention to that is what she intended. I can barely remember. Had she been abused by Priests as well?
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Post by vectisfabber on Jan 16, 2013 18:07:53 GMT -5
That idiot Kris Kristoffersen was heard telling her something like "don't let those bastards get you down". It certainly looked as if it got HIM down when he was booed off stage at the 1971 Isle of Wight Festival.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 16, 2013 19:16:38 GMT -5
Yep. Seems like that was what was happening. Loads of 'em. Even one incident would be too many, but no way do I believe that it was as rampant as we've been lead to believe. It's gotten so today you say "Priest" and immediately the sheep think "pedophile". I think that's very unfortunate. Not every priest is automatically a pedophile. I don't think it did anything but destroy her already limited "career". And just to be clear -- I don't mind her having her opinion and stating it; it was the sabotage nature of it and sneakiness at the wrong time that pissed me off.
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Post by mikev on Jan 16, 2013 19:44:28 GMT -5
Here is a sidebar trivia question. "Sinbad" boycotted SNL in 1990 when Andrew Dice Clay was guest host. What is the name of the father son band that replaced her?
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 16, 2013 23:25:01 GMT -5
Joe, you are a man of reason. Check out this article from The Atlantic and you may change your mind on brave Sinead! www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/10/the-redemption-of-sinead-oconnor/263020/I have boldly proclaimed that Sinéad O'Connor's second album I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got is the Plastic Ono Band of the 1990's. It is an amazing album that sounds as good today as it did in March 1990! In fact, the 2009 reissue of this album has Sinead's blistering cover of John Lennon's "Mind Games," the greatest cover of John I have ever heard.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jan 17, 2013 2:40:03 GMT -5
In fact, the 2009 reissue of this album has Sinead's blistering cover of John Lennon's "Mind Games," the greatest cover of John I have ever heard.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 17, 2013 6:44:43 GMT -5
Joe, you are a man of reason. Check out this article from The Atlantic and you may change your mind on brave Sinead! www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/10/the-redemption-of-sinead-oconnor/263020/I have boldly proclaimed that Sinéad O'Connor's second album I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got is the Plastic Ono Band of the 1990's. It is an amazing album that sounds as good today as it did in March 1990! In fact, the 2009 reissue of this album has Sinead's blistering cover of John Lennon's "Mind Games," the greatest cover of John I have ever heard. John ... it's often very frustrating when people just do not listen to what you're saying. I have clarified a couple of times already that my beef with Sinead O'Connor was simply for her SNL stunt on live TV, very sneakily abusing that spotlight to make what I consider to be an offensive spectacle of herself.... I have chosen not to read the article you've linked, nor do I need to be told how good Sinead's music is, because I agree with you! The quality of her music is not in question here, and as a matter of fact I LIKED all of her music, what I'd heard of it back in the day. When Sinead was booed off the stage it was kind of a good/bad thing for me, because she was going to perform Bob Dylan's song I BELIEVE IN YOU, which I think is a great song and would have been wonderful with Sinead's vocals. So as I've said, I've got no problem with her music and I've got no problem with her talking about her views on the Church --- but just don't use an American comedy show that's going out "live" to tear up a picture of the Pope. That's not the way to communicate your message and it only makes you look like a fool. (And before anyone goes here, YES -- I'd say John Lennon sometimes didn't choose the best ways to make his political points either). Would you like me to start telling you how wrong you are about Sheryl Crow? Her music is also good, and there is a lot more of it...
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 17, 2013 22:28:45 GMT -5
Joe, I'm listening to you. Sinead used a big platform to make a big point.
Sinead was the John Lennon of the 1990's!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 18, 2013 6:06:29 GMT -5
Sinead used a big platform to make a big point. Sinead was the John Lennon of the 1990's! I was waiting for this. What took you so long? ). No way do I see a real similarity here, though. It's not simply about "making a point through a big platform"... a lot of celebrities do that. I think you're trivializing what Sinead did. She did not organize a press conference, go on a talk show, or even stage her own "bed -in"... No. The problem is, Sinead was hired for SNL to sing her song on LIVE TV, but she abused that privilege by invoking her own agenda on the public and offending people by tearing up a picture of The Pope. This was not scripted, and I'm sure was not part of the rehearsals. If you can give me a similarly intrusive John Lennon example I will gladly concede it... but I can't think of one offhand.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 18, 2013 10:32:46 GMT -5
I don't limit my comparison of Sinead to John by the SNL event. I mean she was brave, honest to a fault, could be volatile(we know John's temper), made music so personal as to make many uncomfortable(POB anyone) and caused controversy by adhering to her beliefs. I admit that her torch seems to have gone dim after the 1990's as far as her music career. I had forgotten that she refused to perform at one American venue if the U.S. national anthem was played before the show and old Frank Sinatra threatened to "kick her ass." There are times she sounds like Yoko in her singing and other times she sings like an angel. Yep, John Lennon would have dug her!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 18, 2013 12:53:06 GMT -5
I don't limit my comparison of Sinead to John by the SNL event. That's because you can't find one, like I thought. Like I said, John did no such similar thing like the one I'm objecting to by Sinead. She wasn't "brave" enough to go ahead and sing anyway when she was booed to death at that Dylan tribute show. Instead, she ran to the wings and got hugged by "Papa Kristofferson", as she cried! ;D. Sinead O'Connor is not fit to be compared to John Lennon. ( "Nothing compares.. nothing compares to yooooouuuu!"). She was just another fly by night one-hit wonder who took advantage of her brief 15 minutes of fame by forcing herself onto people in venues where it was not called for. At least by the time Lennon got weird, he'd been around long enough as one of The Beatles to earn the right (though as I said, John never did anything similar to what Sinead did) . Good for Frank. I didn't know about that story and if true, then that only solidifies what a piece of crap she "was". I liked Sinead's singing. Like I said, that has nothing to do with my objection. I think you're right. But not only do I not give a shit what George or Bob Dylan did or didn't do with her at the concert, I also don't give a shit what John Lennon would have thought of her. I know what I think of her and what she did on SNL that night, and I think it was uncalled for and totally wrong. I'm glad the audience at Bobfest thought so too.
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Post by Panther on Jan 25, 2013 20:02:19 GMT -5
The reason Sinead was booed at the (hokey, pretentious, pointless Dylan 'celebration' in 1992) was not so much because of the Pope incident, but more so because she had refused to have the US national anthem played at her show.
Generally speaking, American audiences respond harshly to anyone who criticizes the US in any way, at least publicly. Sinead was still quite young then, and didn't know that. That incident, along with the Pope one, and her third album (a 'covers' LP) pretty much combined to kill off her commercial potential in the US-market. However, to label her a "one-hit wonder" is unfair, unless you're talking about only singles and only the US market. She's had 4 gold albums in Britain, 5 in Ireland, and 3 in the USA. In the UK, she's placed 16 singles on the chart. Even her most recent LP (2012) charted in many territories, so she's doing better than most veteran female singers, 25 years after her first album. (By the way, her first LP, The Lion and the Cobra, is by far her best, in my opinion.)
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 25, 2013 23:20:12 GMT -5
The reason Sinead was booed at the (hokey, pretentious, pointless Dylan 'celebration' in 1992) was not so much because of the Pope incident, but more so because she had refused to have the US national anthem played at her show. Generally speaking, American audiences respond harshly to anyone who criticizes the US in any way, at least publicly. Sinead was still quite young then, and didn't know that. That incident, along with the Pope one, and her third album (a 'covers' LP) pretty much combined to kill off her commercial potential in the US-market. However, to label her a "one-hit wonder" is unfair, unless you're talking about only singles and only the US market. She's had 4 gold albums in Britain, 5 in Ireland, and 3 in the USA. In the UK, she's placed 16 singles on the chart. Even her most recent LP (2012) charted in many territories, so she's doing better than most veteran female singers, 25 years after her first album. (By the way, her first LP, The Lion and the Cobra, is by far her best, in my opinion.) The Lion And The Cobra is a great album. I love that and her second album. I think it is funny that Sinead did an album of old standards light years before Paul McCartney thought to! Her's was probably more successful too.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 26, 2013 0:38:15 GMT -5
I think it is funny that Sinead did an album of old standards light years before Paul McCartney thought to! Her's was probably more successful too. I think it's funny you think that. I never knew she did one, and it's a sure thing to wager that Paul's album, if anything, is better known. It was also pretty successful at #5, even if you still don't embrace the versatility of it. (So when are you going to watch the LIVE KISSES dvd with an open mind and get back to us?).
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 26, 2013 0:42:16 GMT -5
The reason Sinead was booed at the (hokey, pretentious, pointless Dylan 'celebration' in 1992) was not so much because of the Pope incident, but more so because she had refused to have the US national anthem played at her show. All the more reason for her to be booed off the stage. As for the Dylan Tribute, it was a chance to have many acts perform together at Madison Square Garden in NYC. As it turned out it also provided the last chance to see George Harrison Live, and also doing two songs he'd never done before instead of HERE COMES THE SUN again -- a real treat. I'm very glad it happened.
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