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Post by Steve Marinucci on Nov 4, 2008 2:15:23 GMT -5
To those of you in the U.S.: On Nov. 4, go vote. Doesn't matter who you vote for. Just do it!
My name is admin and I approved this message.
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Post by sayne on Nov 4, 2008 8:30:52 GMT -5
I'm going to be really patriotic and vote twice! Oh, and check those chads!
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Post by sayne on Nov 4, 2008 8:33:59 GMT -5
Oh, by the way, it's interesting that this board has been relatively quiet about politics this time. In elections past, (Bush/Kerry, especially) we got really heated, but it was always informed. Anyone have theories why we were sort of quiet this year?
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Post by alltouttt on Nov 4, 2008 9:13:49 GMT -5
Anyone have theories why we were sort of quiet this year?
Battle fatigue mixed with Sarah Palin ...
"Politics is the entertainment branch of industry" (Frank Zappa)
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Nov 4, 2008 9:37:06 GMT -5
Anyone have theories why we were sort of quiet this year? Battle fatigue mixed with Sarah Palin ... "Politics is the entertainment branch of industry" (Frank Zappa) I kind of wondered that, too, but there have been things with the Beatles (Ringo, the iPod, McCartney and Nancy) that have occupied our heads, it seems. No biggie ... politics can strain things. So I don't particularly mind, though anyone that wants to make a comment about today is welcome. We voted absentee here in Calif., so I voted a week ago. I had my mind made up long ago.
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Post by Cosmos on Nov 4, 2008 10:40:16 GMT -5
"Ring out the old, ring in the new..." May the best independents win!
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Post by JMG on Nov 4, 2008 14:16:21 GMT -5
Personally, I don't like either one of them. There's no one there to vote for.
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Post by JCV on Nov 4, 2008 14:39:43 GMT -5
Write in, Clint, JMG! Vote for someone! JCV
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Post by alltouttt on Nov 4, 2008 15:21:47 GMT -5
Personally, I don't like either one of them. There's no one there to vote for. That's insane!! You probably wish Junior could get another 4 years to finish the job...
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Post by alltouttt on Nov 4, 2008 15:24:20 GMT -5
Here's my prediction for tonight...
McCain scores an upset win and dies from shock right on the spot!
Sarah Palin gets the White House and goes on a shopping spree...
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Post by sayne on Nov 4, 2008 16:16:23 GMT -5
Personally, I don't like either one of them. There's no one there to vote for. I guess that begs the question, "Which is the bigger wasted vote? A vote for a third party candidate or a 'non-vote'" (which is a vote for "none of the above.") Now, I've gone on record here to say that no vote is wasted, but I suggest that with the variety of parties with candidates - Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Independents, Libertarians, Peace and Freedom, etc. one really cannot say "I don't like any one of them." I posit that a vote for a third party candidate is conceptually and practically a "better vote" than a "non-vote". Any thoughts?
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Post by JMG on Nov 4, 2008 17:58:53 GMT -5
Write in, Clint, JMG! Vote for someone! JCV Oh....okay. Since, IMO, they both suck equally as bad, I cast my vote for Alfred E. Newman on the What? Me Worry? ticket. Seriously, I don't want see either one of these guys in the White House.
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Post by JMG on Nov 4, 2008 18:12:22 GMT -5
You probably wish Junior could get another 4 years to finish the job... No, that's not the case either. IMO, George W. Bush has done more damage to the United States of America than any terrorist could ever do. I never voted for him. That doesn't change the fact that, IMO, both Presidential candidates in the 2008 election suck. I don't want to see either one of them in the White House.
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Post by JMG on Nov 4, 2008 18:30:15 GMT -5
one really cannot say "I don't like any one of them." Yes, I can. I wouldn't walk across the street to vote for either one of these guys. I don't want to see either one of them in White House. (admin note: This post was edited to fix a misplaced quote.)
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Post by sayne on Nov 5, 2008 2:05:17 GMT -5
Yes, I can. I wouldn't walk across the street to vote for either one of these guys. I don't want to see either one of them in White House. You left out the most important part of my quote. The part about ALL the different parties with candidates, not just the Dems and Republlicans. My point is that with all the different parties, one would be hard pressed to say that they couldn't find at least one that represented their views. I don't mind anyone quoting me and disagreeing with me. However, next time you want to make a comment about something I write, quote me accurately and completely. Otherwise, I do not grant you permission to quote me. I don't appreciate someone trying to prop up their point of view by selectively cutting and pasting my words.
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Post by JMG on Nov 5, 2008 3:15:06 GMT -5
Yes, I can. I wouldn't walk across the street to vote for either one of these guys. I don't want to see either one of them in White House. You left out the most important part of my quote. The part about ALL the different parties with candidates, not just the Dems and Republlicans. My point is that with all the different parties, one would be hard pressed to say that they couldn't find at least one that represented their views. I don't mind anyone quoting me and disagreeing with me. However, next time you want to make a comment about something I write, quote me accurately and completely. Otherwise, I do not grant you permission to quote me. I don't appreciate someone trying to prop up their point of view by selectively cutting and pasting my words. You can take ALL the candidates from ALL the parties, put 'em in a paper bag, shake 'em up and dump 'em out on the counter. They ALL suck. IMO, if you're a politician, you're a crook. Why else are they in the game? Power hungry? For their own gain and to fill their pockets with our money. They ALL suck. As for your post, I did quote you accurately. Was the part of your post that I pasted NOT part of your post? It was. And I do not seek your permission on anything, sayne. So stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 5, 2008 5:47:03 GMT -5
Well said, JMG.
I guess Sayne is a very happy camper today.
And get over yourself... you have no right to "grant" ANYTHING.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Nov 5, 2008 11:17:04 GMT -5
Yes, I can. I wouldn't walk across the street to vote for either one of these guys. I don't want to see either one of them in White House. You left out the most important part of my quote. The part about ALL the different parties with candidates, not just the Dems and Republlicans. My point is that with all the different parties, one would be hard pressed to say that they couldn't find at least one that represented their views. I don't mind anyone quoting me and disagreeing with me. However, next time you want to make a comment about something I write, quote me accurately and completely. Otherwise, I do not grant you permission to quote me. I don't appreciate someone trying to prop up their point of view by selectively cutting and pasting my words. sayne, I'm not sure the misquote was intentional, but I'm going to issue a caution to everyone to pick up quotes as they stand in the post you're replying to and not add anything inside the quote. your reply should be totally outside of it. It's especially important in discussions of this nature. Thank goodness we don't have them them often. And I fixed the quote to pull out the extra words and put them outside the quote.
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 5, 2008 12:07:13 GMT -5
Well, if getting the world's approval on who the U.S. elects as her President in our domestic elections wasn't enough of a validation, now I know for sure that we Americans made the right choice because the fat lady, Oprah, has sung or at least made some manner of guttural sounds passing as English in saying that Obama was the right choice as evidenced by this video: www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/11/04/sot.oprah.obama.cnn
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Nov 5, 2008 15:38:48 GMT -5
And as an added note, any problems you have with quotes, posts, etc. like this, let me know and I'll deal with them. Those are issues that you are welcome to bring to my attention. Just saying I want to keep the ship running smoothly.
Thanks.
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Post by sayne on Nov 5, 2008 22:19:55 GMT -5
You guys are too easy. It's almost not fair. I think I need to pick on people my own size. Where's Joey? ;D
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Post by ursamajor on Nov 6, 2008 0:40:42 GMT -5
Obama's first course of action should be to withdrawl all the troops and send in George Dubya Bush.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 6, 2008 5:37:18 GMT -5
I have to laugh when Obama says "Change Has Come!" -- and he hasn't done anything yet. Maybe "Change Is On The Way" -- but it hasn't come yet. And after all's said and done, I'm still going to have to struggle to pay for my own health care, and I'll have to pay taxes, and life willl generally remain the same. I just hope there'll be equal treatment across the board.
It's a shame that this outcome was largely based on race. And all I hear and read about on the news are race issues, which is sad. The TV news said "a staggering 95% of blacks voted for Obama" (gee, ya think?). I've heard radio morning shows where they interview African-Americans on the street and ask why they voted for Obama... and either they admit it's about time a black president got into office, or they can't come up with any reasons! On one show, for a joke the interviewer REVERSED things, like asking: "But what do you think of Palin, Obama's VP?" and the people would answer by saying things like "Oh, she's good..." (not even realizing she was McCain's choice!).
Of course, it should be remembered that without all the non-racist white votes, Obama could never have been elected president. So the one thing that really comes out of this is that this should forever silence people who insist that whites are basically racist, or that "only whites can be racist". It was never true and it never will be.
EDITED TO ADD: Here's a hilarious link to one of those audio clip interviews of voters for Obama who really agreed with McCain!! ;D
PRICELESS!
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Post by Cosmos on Nov 6, 2008 12:20:22 GMT -5
I work a night shift, and since I am interested in History, I skipped out at 9:00 to come home and watch things unfold live. One image that really caught my attention occurred about the time Texas chimed in and roughly half of the states were "determined" as Dem or Rep. Did anyone else notice the fact that it looked strangely similar to a grade-school map of the Civil War? The commentators tip-toed around this blatant image all night long, but there it was, right in front of their faces and for all of America and the world to see. Obama has inherited the proverbial worst case scenario, but I share in his optimism to the degree that if he can accomplish ANY of the goals that he has put forward, America will be in a better place. Good riddance Shrub; he is already taking his place in the front of the "worst President in History" line and he had to push quite a few drunks and crooks out of his way to earn that dubious distinction.
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Post by sayne on Nov 6, 2008 16:54:15 GMT -5
It's a shame that this outcome was largely based on race. I guess your news never mentioned the war in Iraq, the relative inaction in Afghanistan, the price of fuel, the economy, the calculated "anti-country first" selection of Palin, George Bush's failed presidency, our diplomatic decline around the world, etc. For anyone to solely think Obama won because of race is probably projecting onto others his/her own (perhaps subconscious) reasons why they voted against him . And, even IF people did vote for Obama because he was black, that is not the same as voting against Obama for the same reason. C'mon, Joe. Fess up! I won't call you a racist, but I bet black people scare you, or at least ruin the neighborhood.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 6, 2008 19:08:34 GMT -5
When you say "I bet black people scare you", that is a prejudicial remark, and one can use the fashionable "racist" charge on you, even - what, are "blacks" scary as a whole, or something? There are some blacks who scare me, and some whites as well. Not too many Asians that I've met, though - guess I'm more anti-white than anti-Asian? But I am sorry to say that a couple of old neighborhoods I grew up in ARE in bad shape today, and kind of ruined. There's nothing racist about reporting a fact. What can I say? That they're still gorgeous? They just factually aren't. And I'll bet you a billion dollars you ain't livin' there. Oh, sure you won't! But it is not being racist to point out racism in others. And if you think you're going to polarize me by pulling out that overused "R" word artillery, you're wasting your time. And yet I believe it was you who once said something like (paraphrasing) "If McCain wins, then we know that racism is alive and well!" What a double standard. So immediately your assumption was that ol' Whitey could never be indiscriminate, eh? And, that if most whites voted for McCain, then OF COURSE it had to be due to race, hmm? Funny Howard Stern clip, eh?
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Nov 6, 2008 21:41:04 GMT -5
I'm locking this thread. The topic has veered off into an area I didn't intend for it to go. While I can justify a discussion on why people voted for Obama -- including racial aspects of it, this discussion was getting a bit too personal. Even if the intentions were innocent, I don't want to allow discussions about this topic to get personal and include even suggestions of racism against anyone involved, even if it's just done as an example. A general discussion is OK, but if it stays personal, as this one has done, the outcome could be detrimental. This is a music board, after all, not a political one. If those involved want to continue it and assure me it won't get personal from here on out, I'll consider reopening it. But for now, it's closed.
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