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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 16, 2008 12:40:47 GMT -5
Here is the actual RS list for our ease in reference: 1 | Aretha Franklin by Mary J. Blige 2 | Ray Charles by Billy Joel 3 | Elvis Presley by Robert Plant 4 | Sam Cooke by Van Morrison 5 | John Lennon by Jackson Browne 6 | Marvin Gaye by Alicia Keys 7 | Bob Dylan by Bono 8 | Otis Redding by Booker T. Jones 9 | Stevie Wonder by Cee-Lo 10 | James Brown by Iggy Pop 11 | Paul McCartney 12 | Little Richard 13 | Roy Orbison 14 | Al Green 15 | Robert Plant 16 | Mick Jagger by Lenny Kravitz 17 | Tina Turner 18 | Freddie Mercury 19 | Bob Marley 20 | Smokey Robinson 21 | Johnny Cash 22 | Etta James 23 | David Bowie 24 | Van Morrison 25 | Michael Jackson by Patrick Stump of Fall Out Boy 26 | Jackie Wilson 27 | Hank Williams 28 | Janis Joplin 29 | Nina Simone 30 | Prince 31 | Howlin' Wolf 32 | Bono by Billie Joe Armstrong 33 | Steve Winwood 34 | Whitney Houston 35 | Dusty Springfield 36 | Bruce Springsteen 37 | Neil Young 38 | Elton John 39 | Jeff Buckley by Chris Cornell 40 | Curtis Mayfield 41 | Chuck Berry 42 | Joni Mitchell 43 | George Jones by James Taylor 44 | Bobby "Blue" Bland 45 | Kurt Cobain 46 | Patsy Cline 47 | Jim Morrison 48 | Buddy Holly 49 | Donny Hathaway 50 | Bonnie Raitt 51 | Gladys Knight 52 | Brian Wilson 53 | Muddy Waters by Ben Harper 54 | Luther Vandross 55 | Paul Rodgers 56 | Mavis Staples 57 | Eric Burdon 58 | Christina Aguilera 59 | Rod Stewart 60 | Björk 61 | Roger Daltrey 62 | Lou Reed 63 | Dion 64 | Axl Rose 65 | David Ruffin 66 | Thom Yorke 67 | Jerry Lee Lewis 68 | Wilson Pickett 69 | Ronnie Spector 70 | Gregg Allman 71 | Toots HIbbert 72 | John Fogerty 73 | Dolly Parton 74 | James Taylor 75 | Iggy Pop 76 | Steve Perry 77 | Merle Haggard 78 | Sly Stone 79 | Mariah Carey 80 | Frankie Valli 81 | John Lee Hooker by Bonnie Raitt 82 | Tom Waits 83 | Patti Smith 84 | Darlene Love 85 | Sam Moore 86 | Art Garfunkel 87 | Don Henley 88 | Willie Nelson 89 | Solomon Burke 90 | The Everly Brothers 91 | Levon Helm by Jim James 92 | Morrissey 93 | Annie Lennox 94 | Karen Carpenter 95 | Patti LaBelle 96 | B.B. King 97 | Joe Cocker 98 | Stevie Nicks 99 | Steven Tyler 100 | Mary J. Blige I stand corrected as the list is full of dubious choices for the top 100 singers of the rock and roll era. I am amazed that with this rag and the persons asked to vote that Paul got as high as 11! While I would have Paul in the Top 10, 11 is not bad at all for this poll. Paul though doesn't even get the star treatment of an introduction by some worshiping artist. I thought maybe that was because only the top 10 got such "honors" but you can see that Mick Jagger gets the star treatment at #16, Wacko Jacko at #25, Bono(oh of course)at #32, Jeff Buckley at 39, and so on including Bonnie Raitt's tired old, recycled tribute to John Lee Hooker(Raitt's inclusion herself as a top 100 singer is an eyebrow raiser to me but we know Wenner loves her). No tribute to Macca though. Still, two Beatles within the top 15 is amazing for any one band.
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Post by sayne on Nov 16, 2008 12:57:10 GMT -5
Here is the actual RS list for our ease in reference . . . Thanks for posting. I think some of the more "dubious" choices could be replaced by Amy Winehouse and Joey Ramone. Also, if the Everly Brothers, then the Mamas and the Papas.
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Post by sayne on Nov 16, 2008 13:51:16 GMT -5
1 | Aretha Franklin 17 | Tina Turner 22 | Etta James 28 | Janis Joplin 29 | Nina Simone 34 | Whitney Houston 35 | Dusty Springfield 42 | Joni Mitchell 46 | Patsy Cline 50 | Bonnie Raitt 51 | Gladys Knight 56 | Mavis Staples 58 | Christina Aguilera 60 | Björk 69 | Ronnie Spector 73 | Dolly Parton 79 | Mariah Carey 83 | Patti Smith 84 | Darlene Love 93 | Annie Lennox 94 | Karen Carpenter 95 | Patti LaBelle 98 | Stevie Nicks 100 | Mary J. Blige Now that I've highlighted the women, here's what comes to my mind. Firstly, No Chrissy Hynde? Amy Winehouse? Emmylou Harris? Grace Slick? Joan Baez? Joan Jett? Karen O? PJ Harvey? Siouxsie Sioux? Alannis Morrisette? I'm sure we can remove some of the men to make room for these women. Secondly, 24 out of 100? Another example of gender bias in popular music. Thirdly, I don't think she belongs, but it's interesting that Madonna is not on the list, but she was voted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Hmm. Finally, here's a task for you all. Since there are only 24 women on the list, who would be your top 24 male singers - in no order. Mine would be Ray Charles Elvis Presley Sam Cooke John Lennon Bob Dylan Otis Redding Stevie Wonder James Brown Paul McCartney Little Richard Robert Plant Mick Jagger Freddie Mercury Smokey Robinson Johnny Cash Michael Jackson Paul Rodgers Eric Burdon Jerry Lee Lewis John Fogerty Iggy Pop The Everly Brothers B.B. King Joe Cocker
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Post by scousette on Nov 16, 2008 15:07:16 GMT -5
I have absolutely no problem with Aretha Franklin being in the #1 spot. She has a phenomenal voice and makes every song she sings her own. She is one of the greatest singers of any era. Did you see her a few years ago at the Grammies when she substituted for Barbara Streisand and sang "Nessum Dorma" (Pavarotti's signature song)? She figuratively was asked at the last minute to sing and she was soooo on. Whenever I see that performance, I tear up. I didn't see her, but I remember reading about it afterward. Quite impressive.
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Post by scousette on Nov 16, 2008 15:36:02 GMT -5
1 | Aretha Franklin 17 | Tina Turner 22 | Etta James 28 | Janis Joplin 29 | Nina Simone 34 | Whitney Houston 35 | Dusty Springfield 42 | Joni Mitchell 46 | Patsy Cline 50 | Bonnie Raitt 51 | Gladys Knight 56 | Mavis Staples 58 | Christina Aguilera 60 | Björk 69 | Ronnie Spector 73 | Dolly Parton 79 | Mariah Carey 83 | Patti Smith 84 | Darlene Love 93 | Annie Lennox 94 | Karen Carpenter 95 | Patti LaBelle 98 | Stevie Nicks 100 | Mary J. Blige Now that I've highlighted the women, here's what comes to my mind. Firstly, No Chrissy Hynde? Amy Winehouse? Emmylou Harris? Grace Slick? Joan Baez? Joan Jett? Karen O? PJ Harvey? Siouxsie Sioux? Alannis Morrisette? I'm sure we can remove some of the men to make room for these women. Secondly, 24 out of 100? Another example of gender bias in popular music. Thirdly, I don't think she belongs, but it's interesting that Madonna is not on the list, but she was voted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Hmm. Finally, here's a task for you all. Since there are only 24 women on the list, who would be your top 24 male singers - in no order. Mine would be Ray Charles Elvis Presley Sam Cooke John Lennon Bob Dylan Otis Redding Stevie Wonder James Brown Paul McCartney Little Richard Robert Plant Mick Jagger Freddie Mercury Smokey Robinson Johnny Cash Michael Jackson Paul Rodgers Eric Burdon Jerry Lee Lewis John Fogerty Iggy Pop The Everly Brothers B.B. King Joe Cocker Ray Charles Elvis Presley Sam Cooke John Lennon Marvin Gaye Bob Dylan Otis Redding Stevie Wonder James Brown Paul McCartney Roy Orbison Al Green Smokey Robinson Johnny Cash Van Morrison Michael Jackson Jackie Wilson Hank Williams Steve Winwood Buddy Holly Brian Wilson Rod Stewart Jerry Lee Lewis B.B. King That was hard. Excruciatingly so! BTW, Madonna didn't make the "100" list because she isn't a great singer.
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Post by sayne on Nov 16, 2008 16:39:25 GMT -5
That was hard. Excruciatingly so! BTW, Madonna didn't make the "100" list because she isn't a great singer. For me, too. . . . and Bob Dylan, Tom Waits, and Neil Young are?
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Post by JMG on Nov 16, 2008 18:58:39 GMT -5
This list is silly but what do you expect from Rolling Stone? I don't think I've bought a copy of that rag since George Harrison died. A top ten list would have been more interesting and certainly more concise, IMO.
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Post by ursamajor on Nov 17, 2008 3:32:06 GMT -5
I think Sade and Enya should have been in there somwhere.
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Post by johnpaulharstar on Nov 17, 2008 12:18:55 GMT -5
Dylan at #7 is ridiculous. He is a terrible singer. Now if this were a list on songwriting, that would be about right (or possibly too low).
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 17, 2008 15:05:39 GMT -5
Gee, I wish that myth would die. Dylan sings in tune (on record, at least), and with great expression and feeling. That double plus puts him ahead of a large number of singers. Now add to that his unique-sounding voice, and you have quite a wonderful vocalist. McCabe
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 17, 2008 17:10:38 GMT -5
"I'm as good a singer as Caruso" -- Bob Dylan.
A-hem.
Look, I'm a fan and I like Dylan's croakiness for what it adds to his particular songs, but I think he's a pretty weak singer.
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Post by sayne on Nov 17, 2008 18:32:14 GMT -5
Gee, I wish that myth would die. Dylan sings in tune (on record, at least), and with great expression and feeling. That double plus puts him ahead of a large number of singers. Now add to that his unique-sounding voice, and you have quite a wonderful vocalist. McCabe There was a movie starring Tom Hanks called "Punchline" that gave me this idea. Maybe we can allude to the "vocal stylings" of Mr. Bob Dylan. Instead of calling him a singer, we can call him a "song stylist" or "vocal stylists." ;D
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 17, 2008 19:26:38 GMT -5
"I'm as good a singer as Caruso" -- Bob Dylan. A-hem. Look, I'm a fan and I like Dylan's croakiness for what it adds to his particular songs, but I think he's a pretty weak singer. Let's see: Caruso sang in tune (!), and had a distinctive style, which added lots (emotion, expression, attitude) to his work. Kinda like Uncle Bob! There ya go - his Bobness is on the money again. No wonder George Harrison was a fan: Bob gets to the heart of the matter pretty smartly. BTW, that croakiness has come from age, Joe: check out Paul McCartney, check out anyone's singing voice as they get older: it detiorates. Uncle Bob's 60s, 70s, 80s stuff is not croaky!
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Post by scousette on Nov 17, 2008 19:28:27 GMT -5
Gee, I wish that myth would die. Dylan sings in tune (on record, at least), and with great expression and feeling. That double plus puts him ahead of a large number of singers. Now add to that his unique-sounding voice, and you have quite a wonderful vocalist. McCabe There was a movie starring Tom Hanks called "Punchline" that gave me this idea. Maybe we can allude to the "vocal stylings" of Mr. Bob Dylan. Instead of calling him a singer, we can call him a "song stylist" or "vocal stylists." ;D "Song Artiste" Dylan is a GREAT singer.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 17, 2008 19:29:35 GMT -5
Gee, I wish that myth would die. Dylan sings in tune (on record, at least), and with great expression and feeling. That double plus puts him ahead of a large number of singers. Now add to that his unique-sounding voice, and you have quite a wonderful vocalist. McCabe There was a movie starring Tom Hanks called "Punchline" that gave me this idea. Maybe we can allude to the "vocal stylings" of Mr. Bob Dylan. Instead of calling him a singer, we can call him a "song stylist" or "vocal stylists." ;D OK. they are just ways of saying that he's a special singer, challenging his listeners all the time. If I can put it like that!
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Post by Sir Frankie Crisp on Nov 24, 2008 23:09:07 GMT -5
Gee, I wish that myth would die. Dylan sings in tune (on record, at least), and with great expression and feeling. That double plus puts him ahead of a large number of singers. Now add to that his unique-sounding voice, and you have quite a wonderful vocalist. McCabe I couldn't agree with you more. Bob has one of the most remarkable voices around today. He's constantly working at it by twisting and bending phrases that nobody in their right mind would attempt. I love the fact that as he gets older he's starting to croon and you could imagine this guy as being part of the Rat Pack. This is one artist that we'll never agree on. You either love him or hate him and that's fine. I understand that. But to my ears Bob possesses a passion and perspective that is very rare amongst vocalists today. Joan Baez said it best when she said, "for those who are interested, Bob goes way deep."
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Nov 25, 2008 12:53:35 GMT -5
Got to keep Paul out of the top 10 (at No.11). Who knows, Yoko could have made that stipulation under the threat of no more access to John's legacy. Its so contrived and obviously tampered with. Who is to stop them (Jann Weener and gang) from bringing up their favorites and moving down or leaving off the others.
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 25, 2008 14:11:29 GMT -5
Got to keep Paul out of the top 10 (at No.11). Who knows, Yoko could have made that stipulation under the threat of no more access to John's legacy. Its so contrived and obviously tampered with. Who is to stop them (Jann Weener and gang) from bringing up their favorites and moving down or leaving off the others. And notice at 11, Paul is the first not to get a testimonial from a fellow musician although others do farther down the chain, those I would call Wenner's pets.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 25, 2008 16:58:27 GMT -5
Face it, Paul is always going to be in John's shadow. But at least Macca can find solace in that he'd rather be ALIVE.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 25, 2008 17:04:56 GMT -5
Face it, Paul is always going to be in John's shadow. ---------------------- Fair enough, too. His rock 'n' roll is ... harder, edgier, rockier. And John's avant garde is so much more ... avant. But Paul wins in the straight pop 'n' bop stuff. It's just that pop 'n' bop don't matter.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Dec 3, 2008 19:46:55 GMT -5
Face it, Paul is always going to be in John's shadow. ---------------------- Fair enough, too. His rock 'n' roll is ... harder, edgier, rockier. And John's avant garde is so much more ... avant. But Paul wins in the straight pop 'n' bop stuff. It's just that pop 'n' bop don't matter. I don't agree with your premise at all. But who makes you arbirary judge to say pop doesn't matter?
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Dec 4, 2008 0:45:00 GMT -5
Hey Bucko - it's just an opinion. Opinions are more interesting if you don't add "imo", or "imho".
So, RTP: keep your shirt on. It's OK if you're into pop 'n' bop.
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