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Post by mikev on Nov 17, 2008 7:56:56 GMT -5
Right here on Steve's news flash Paul actually talks about releasing Carnival of Light-basically Paul's version of Revolution #9.
Personally I would like to hear it, but put it on a disc with other goodies such as all of the Kinfauns cleaned up and remixed like the ones on Anthology including Circles and Sour Milk Sea. Give Goodbye a little George Martin WMGGW Love type of arrangement (just edit out the gender change-not that there's anything wrong with Paul spouting devotion for a male), put in the 27 minute Helter Skelter (although I hear it really just drags on-the Beatles were not Derek and the Dominoes).
Paul and Ringo for a final touch should release a new produced single of a rocker from that period-remixed/sampled like the Elvis "A Little Bit of Conversation" in which Elvis got credit for another #1 single to add to his record.
Song candidates include Helter Skelter, Everybody's Got Something to Hide, Back in the USSR, Birthday and Ob-la-di Obla da.
But first Apple, let us PLEASE have the deluxe version of the Love documentary (sarcasm at its fullest level).
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Post by superhans on Nov 17, 2008 8:38:06 GMT -5
Beatles socks. Apple's latest product line. Honestly. I was flicking channels the other day and one of the shopping channels (Bid TV) was selling Beatles socks. Just in case you're thinking of a pre-Christmas spending splurge, they are available in small, medium, XL and XXL. They have an attractive Argyle-style diamond motif and one grinning mop-top per foot. Remasters? - Never. 'Let it Be' DVD? - nope. Beatles socks? - awwwright!!!
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Post by mikev on Nov 17, 2008 11:01:27 GMT -5
2070: Apple Data Bits Inc announces the release of the Beatles Let it Be. Apple spokesman Franny Aspinall announces: "My great-great-grandfather produced the original film, but the surviving great grandchildren of the Beatles blocked the release for several years." Now with our time-warp high definition technology we capture streaming live time warp of the sessions through our ultra-sensitive light particle/worm hole feed direct from the Apple and Twickenham studios."
The only people who give a shit are the people that were put in suspended animation at Disney Cyrogenics in 2015.
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Post by superhans on Nov 17, 2008 11:29:25 GMT -5
2070: Apple Data Bits Inc announces the release of the Beatles Let it Be. Apple spokesman Franny Aspinall announces: "My great-great-grandfather produced the original film, Reuters News release April 1st 2112: Vera, Chuck and Dave McCartney - the only surviving descendants of Sir Paul McCartney have vowed to continue their sixty-year legal injunction against the release of the film 'Let it Be'. As Vera stated from her nursing home in Anglesey, the film shows their great grandfather having "a bit of a tiff" with fellow band member George Harrison Snr. "This film must never be allowed to see the light of day!", she ranted.
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Post by alltouttt on Nov 17, 2008 11:53:42 GMT -5
NEWS FLASH!
BEATLES CLONES FORM A *MONKEES* TRIBUTE BAND
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Post by johnpaulharstar on Nov 17, 2008 12:46:40 GMT -5
Returning the thread to its original topic (though I did find the diversions funny) I have always been curious about "Carnival Of Light" ever since I first read about it. From what I've read it is pretty bad, but I'd still like to hear it.
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Post by alltouttt on Nov 17, 2008 14:05:54 GMT -5
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Post by JCV on Nov 17, 2008 17:04:21 GMT -5
They have an attractive Argyle-style diamond motif and one grinning mop-top per foot. Does that mean you have to have four feet to wear all the Beatles at one time? Perhaps I'll get some for my cat. ;D JCV
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 17, 2008 17:07:52 GMT -5
I actually hope it doesn't get released. It won't do the Beatles Legacy any new favors. I read about it just now in the Mark Lewisohn BEATLES: RECORDING SESSIONS book, and it sounds atrocious enough to make 'Revolution 9' sound listenable.
Just get LET IT BE on DVD and remaster the original British albums for CD, already.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 17, 2008 19:40:19 GMT -5
------it sounds atrocious enough to make 'Revolution 9' sound listenable. -------------Carnival of Light-basically Paul's version of Revolution #9. Whether one likes Rev 9 or not is just a matter of taste. HOWEVER: Rev 9 was made with great care. Assembling and ordering the tape segements required creativity and organizational skills. To dismiss Rev 9 in any way is to make a serious mistake. C of Light seems to be a completely different sort of effort. VERY free form, and spontaneous, it is in no way "Paul's Rev 9". And I would love to hear it. I think there is a chance that it would be quite good. It seems as if the others were "up" for it, which for Beatles is a sign that some good might have come from the session.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Nov 17, 2008 20:35:35 GMT -5
I can't agree with this at all. There are so many other things that deserve to be released before this. We don't need another McCartney vanity project.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Nov 17, 2008 20:36:36 GMT -5
I actually hope it doesn't get released. It won't do the Beatles Legacy any new favors. I read about it just now in the Mark Lewisohn BEATLES: RECORDING SESSIONS book, and it sounds atrocious enough to make 'Revolution 9' sound listenable. Just get LET IT BE on DVD and remaster the original British albums for CD, already. You put it well, Joe. Very well.
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Post by rockstar2866 on Nov 17, 2008 20:43:14 GMT -5
I can't agree with this at all. There are so many other things that deserve to be released before this. We don't need another McCartney vanity project. That song will not be released unless it is done digitally. No song will be released digitally unless it is put on iTunes. The songs won't be placed on iTunes until they're remastered. If the remasters come out on iTunes, they'll be released on CD. I would hardly call this a vanity project...that sounds more like an axe to grind than anything else. Relax.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Nov 17, 2008 20:50:49 GMT -5
I can't agree with this at all. There are so many other things that deserve to be released before this. We don't need another McCartney vanity project. That song will not be released unless it is done digitally. No song will be released digitally unless it is put on iTunes. The songs won't be placed on iTunes until they're remastered. If the remasters come out on iTunes, they'll be released on CD. I would hardly call this a vanity project...that sounds more like an axe to grind than anything else. Relax. Why even float this trial balloon in the first place? It's not even a listenable track? And given the attention this trial balloon has gotten and the fascination of the media with anything oddball to write up in gossip columns, this will be analyzed ad nauseum by empty pundits. It's a headache the Beatles don't need. Paul should know better. If he wanted to release it, he should do it without any announcement and let it fly under the radar.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Nov 17, 2008 21:34:24 GMT -5
2070: Apple Data Bits Inc announces the release of the Beatles Let it Be. Apple spokesman Franny Aspinall announces: "My great-great-grandfather produced the original film, Reuters News release April 1st 2112: Vera, Chuck and Dave McCartney - the only surviving descendants of Sir Paul McCartney Cool! that means James ended up reproducing after all! ;D
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 17, 2008 21:45:54 GMT -5
Karlosi, Marinucci, mikev and others-
I don't want Let It Be on DVD: I've had the film for years. Cruddy little movie anyhow. I don't want ANY remastering. The Beatles are a vinyl band. I've needledropped all their stuff: I'll listen to that thanks. As for remixing, forget that. Bloody fiddling sacrilege.
I don't want any Kinfauns demos. Got 'em, had'em for years. Goodbye demo fiddled with by George Martin: God save us from this George Martin & Son adulation - they ain't Beatles.
There's nothing new under the sun ... except the Carnival of Light. I'd like to hear it. As it is, nestling comfortably on the tape.
Thanks.
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Post by revolver66 on Nov 17, 2008 23:17:54 GMT -5
I for one want to hear Carinival Of Light. As mentioned above most fans already have Let It Be and all the Bootleg stuff and had it for Years. That's why for Big Fans the Anthologies weren't as great as they would have been if issued years prior. The best stuff from those was already circulating for years of the Underground Scene. I mean a true unheard Beatles Track?? Bring It On!!!
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Post by OldFred on Nov 18, 2008 0:00:14 GMT -5
Didn't Paul try to have 'Carnival Of Light' included on the Beatles Anthology Vol. 3 and was voted down by George, Ringo and Yoko? I guess the thinking of the other three was that since 'What's The New Mary Jane' was also up for a vote, having two weird Beatles songs on the same collection would have been pushing it.
Too bad there was no CD single issued for Beatles Anthology 3, 'Carnival Of Light' would have made an interesting bonus cut.
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Post by rockstar2866 on Nov 18, 2008 0:39:38 GMT -5
That song will not be released unless it is done digitally. No song will be released digitally unless it is put on iTunes. The songs won't be placed on iTunes until they're remastered. If the remasters come out on iTunes, they'll be released on CD. I would hardly call this a vanity project...that sounds more like an axe to grind than anything else. Relax. Why even float this trial balloon in the first place? It's not even a listenable track? And given the attention this trial balloon has gotten and the fascination of the media with anything oddball to write up in gossip columns, this will be analyzed ad nauseum by empty pundits. It's a headache the Beatles don't need. Paul should know better. If he wanted to release it, he should do it without any announcement and let it fly under the radar. A never before heard Beatles track, regardless of how "listenable" it is, could never, EVER fly under the radar. Especially in the digital age. You should know better than that. No announcement? Are you kidding? The Beatles are STILL a business, as any band is. Think about what you said for a second. What is Paul going to do, add it as an album only exclusive to the Fireman and hope no one notices? Just put a track up for free download on the Beatles website? He's much smarter than that, and thank God that he is. You're still missing my point. It's not a trial balloon. It's not going to come out before the remasters do. It may come out with them, but not before. Unless it goes on some charity album, and given the nature of the song that is HIGHLY unlikely, there is no way this comes out in anything but digital form. There is no way Apple is going to put this out in digital form without also releasing the remasters before, at the same time, or VERY shortly thereafter. It makes no sense. You're too busy trying to crucify Paul for giving the fans something new that they haven't heard for your own personal reasons rather than actually thinking about the consequences of the release. If anything, a desire by Paul to release Carnival of Light might actually get the ball rolling. I hate to say it, but Apple might just be playing things the right way. They have taken FOREVER for the remasters. But to drum up interest in a new Beatles song, whatever it may be, coupled with the new game that will undoubtably bring new listeners to the group, in addition to things like Across the Universe, the may just be trying to bring the excitement to a boil to rerelease the albums at the right time. The interest factor HAS to be there. Millions of people already own these albums, they need to get them listening to them again in order to convince them to buy them again.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 18, 2008 0:46:10 GMT -5
having two weird Beatles songs on the same collection would have been pushing it. Weird? Weird?? I think the weird Beatles songs are completely corny rubbish such as Michelle (lyrics? Ugh!), drivel such as Maxwell's Silver Hammer, and tedious forced "major" ballads such as Long and Whining Bore. Whatever were they thinking? Mary Jane is funny and silly and so Johnandyoko (Yoko: the chorus is the most important part!). Paul needs to show us Carnival of Light to justify all that "I was really the avant-garde one" stuff he goes on about these days. But I agree with you (strange days indeed) Old Fred that Carnival would have been a nice track on a CD single from Anth 3.
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Post by JMG on Nov 18, 2008 2:52:53 GMT -5
I'm all in favor of 'Carnival of Light' being released, along with 'Let It Be' and 'The Beatles At Shea' and whatever else that hasn't been released on DVD or CD. Like most first generation Beatle fans, I've had this stuff for decades. That's not the point, making these things available to the general public is the point. There might just be people that want to see and hear these products.
As for anything "new" with The Beatles brand on it 'flying under the radar'...thanks for the laugh. ;D
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Post by superhans on Nov 18, 2008 3:20:50 GMT -5
What's with all the fuss? 'Carnival of light'will be one of those songs you play once (twice if you're utterly determined), think 'That was, errrrrrm, interesting', place onto a convenient shelf and never play ever again. Not worth the bother, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2008 3:33:01 GMT -5
If Carnival of Light does see the light of day,will it be credited as McCartney /Lennon to satisfy revisionist Paul..... If it wasn't crap it would have already seen the light of day... Maybe it should be released as a single picture disc with Flying and Revolution 9 as bonus tracks,being a picture disc it will make a nice coaster after the first listen... Bring on the remasters and the Let it Be dvd complete with extra footage....
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Post by superhans on Nov 18, 2008 4:15:15 GMT -5
Maybe it should be released as a single picture disc with Flying and Revolution 9 as bonus tracks,being a picture disc it will make a nice coaster after the first listen... ...plus a free pair of Beatle socks and Ringo glove puppet with the first 50,000 copies. ;D
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Post by superhans on Nov 18, 2008 7:30:33 GMT -5
Whether one likes Rev 9 or not is just a matter of taste. These are the only number 9s I like - Fernando Torres - Liverpool's number 9...and, of course - Daniel Sepulveda - Pittsburgh's number 9
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Post by revolver66 on Nov 18, 2008 9:20:36 GMT -5
What's with all the fuss? 'Carnival of light'will be one of those songs you play once (twice if you're utterly determined), think 'That was, errrrrrm, interesting', place onto a convenient shelf and never play ever again. Not worth the bother, IMO. What you say could well be true but remember how many years it took to release Leave My Kitten Alone & Not Guilty which definitely were worthwhile so who knows....
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Post by mikev on Nov 18, 2008 10:41:36 GMT -5
I have the original Let it Be VHS, and have already converted it to DVD-but it is a complete piece of crap and was poorly edited. I also have just about every vinyl boot under the sun plus 30 Days.
The Anthology versions are cleaned up and the studio pieces are in 5:1.
With today’s technology you can take the two Nagra reels and probably piece together some very good mixes of some of the more listenable Twickenham AND studio rehearsals such as I Lost My Little Girl, Can You Dig it (Clark Kent version), All Things Must Pass (several versions are complete takes including some with Billy Preston), Gone Gone Gone, I’m So Tired (Paul version), I’ve Got a Feeling (lead vocal by John) and more. I don’t know which of these were also caught on film-I always thought all of it was, as in sync with the Nagra reels.
There are also several different studio versions of each of the final songs. Watching them live, mixed appropriately would also attract interest. I don’t mean fifteen versions of Get Back, etc- but two or three on bonus discs-why not?
I would replace the drivel I have in a second and I think 99% of us here would do the same. Unless of course-they pull a “Deluxe Help” stunt and overcharge the thing.
As for remixing, it will never happen-but the Elvis estate did and he got creds for another #1 single breaking the Beatles' record in the US.
I have them too. Sour Milk Sea and Circles are muddy among others. Based on what I heard on Anthology, 1st generation cuts must sound much better, and are mixed better.
Goodbye is a crisp acoustic demo. You can scrap the over production, but personally I like what they (GMs) did to WMGGW.
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 18, 2008 12:25:41 GMT -5
We will probably get "Carnival Of Light" in connection with the remasters because Paul seems hell-bent to release it. The best format for its release would be if a multi-disc Sgt. Peppers was released with the onslaught of the remastered catalog with the stereo and mono versions and maybe a disc of goodies from those sessions although Anthology II seemed to raid the vaults pretty thoroughly.
There will be a flood of media attention to "Carnival Of Light" no matter what Apple does to downplay expectations and yes, it will go down like a lead balloon with the general public and even most fans. Some fans may truly savor it. It is too late though to put this genie back in the bottle. Apple might as well release this but in connection with much bigger goodies so it is absorbed into something the public will talk about(i.e., the aforementioned SPLHCB boxset). Obviously, Anthology would have been as good a time as any.
I would almost take perverse pleasure in Apple releasing "Carnival Of Light" on its own, perhaps as an A-side to a c.d. single. It would be a walk down the MMT sentimental lane as far as the critics and public went.
Then maybe Apple would get off its ass and give us something tasty.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 18, 2008 14:13:13 GMT -5
----------------------------- 'Carnival of light'will be one of those songs you play once (twice if you're utterly determined), think 'That was, errrrrrm, interesting', place onto a convenient shelf and never play ever again. -------------------------------- Humanity is divided into two: those that pass judgement on a book before reading it, and those who wait until they have read it. Those who praise or damn a film without having seen it, and those who watch first and comment afterwards. Etc Etc. Hey superhans: wanna wait and hear it first?
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 18, 2008 14:20:28 GMT -5
-------------------------------- As for remixing, it will never happen-------------------------- May I introduce you to (for one example) the Yellow Sub Songbook? -------------------------------- You can scrap the over production, but personally I like what they (GMs) did to WMGGW. Well, that's fine that you like it - but HOW DARE Apple allow this fiddling and twiddling? Leave the bloody music alone.
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