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Post by winstonoboogie on Nov 23, 2008 12:02:23 GMT -5
Sound collages we have come to love (compilation CD) Revolution 9 The felt hat and the toast-rack - parts 1-11 Carnival of light Equinox at 2254 I'm queueing up for my copy now! Incidentally, isn't "queueing" an interesting word? I can't think of any other English word which has 5 consecutive vowels. My own contribution would be a track featuring a recitation of interesting words like queueing, bookkeeping (3 consecutive sets of double letters), facetious (all the vowels in order), assorted palindromes etc., but with occasional non-interesting words dropped in at random ("transitory" leaps to mind), plus words like axolotl which are not so much interesting as unusual, and no explanations offered as to what is included and why. It would be called "Words (interesting and not interesting)". Palindromes, you say? Well, check out this one: JcS ;D Excellent! Two thumbs up! I could add more palindromes, but I don't want to tempt the thread police.... I'll just end with a quote from Monty Python: "Do any of these words embarrass you? Shoe. Megaphone. Grunties."
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Post by jimc on Nov 23, 2008 12:09:23 GMT -5
Yes, but it would probably be atrocious. Just as there are good and bad, tasteful and untasteful, competent and incompetent in every sphere of human endeavor, attempts at sound collage vary in these ways too. The Superhans version would actually be pretty similar to 'Revolution 9' -- just a load of stuff chucked together more or less at random, sounding like a load of silly, pretentious twaddle. The only difference is that my name isn't John Lennon, so I wouldn't have a load of people all desperately trying to make sense out of my effort in an attempt to 'get the meaning'. One can say a lot about Revolution #9, but I don't think it was "chucked together more or less at random." In fact, more or less at random doesn't make sense. Was it random or not? I don't think so. Compare it to Tomorrow Never Knows. A similar process was used, but we generally appreciate that one more because it has a beat and a traditional song structure. There is madness and method to #9 -- for example the Watusi, the Twist, etc. are used as ironic insertions against the sounds we're hearing around them. The banality of dance crazes against the violence one saw in Vietnam, on American streets, and in his own head at the time. And it is far from one person's opinion that #9 is a comment on or portrait of revolution. The song is titled such, for goodness sake. Also the foundation for the track came from the extended take on Revolution I that fell into screaming, etc. earlier in the sessions. Then one listens to the sounds on the track and it's a reasonable conclusion that the artist is talking about Revolution. Quite simple, really. Revolution #9 is not easy, obviously. If the rest of the Beatle catalogue is collection of short stories (sometimes a play or a novel, maybe), then #9 is poetry. And that's never easy. As a student and a teacher, I've seen people confronted with similar challenging art. Minimalist painters, the writer John Barth, DJ Shadow -- and there's often the comment, "Anyone could do that. Hell, I could do that." Well, then do it. And the excuse, "I'm not John Lennon," doesn't work. If the finished product stands up to scrutiny, it will eventually be recognized for its quality.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Nov 23, 2008 12:41:03 GMT -5
Palindromes, you say? Well, check out this one: JcS ;D Excellent! Two thumbs up! I could add more palindromes, but I don't want to tempt the thread police.... I'll just end with a quote from Monty Python: "Do any of these words embarrass you? Shoe. Megaphone. Grunties." Thread police??
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Post by vectisfabber on Nov 23, 2008 15:29:42 GMT -5
Ah Steve, let us play for a few minutes.....
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Post by vectisfabber on Nov 23, 2008 15:33:44 GMT -5
...or, if that doesn't work, then I plead that I was actually trying to construct a free-form collage within the thread in tribute to Carnival of Light and Revolution 9.
(thinks: will he swallow that, I wonder?)
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Post by winstonoboogie on Nov 23, 2008 19:22:49 GMT -5
...or, if that doesn't work, then I plead that I was actually trying to construct a free-form collage within the thread in tribute to Carnival of Light and Revolution 9. (thinks: will he swallow that, I wonder?) Errrrrrrrr.....yeah! Yeah! That's the ticket! ;D
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 24, 2008 6:53:45 GMT -5
You're right. I have to concede that, at least according to John in one interview if not others, he was thinking of revolution when fashioning REVOLUTION 9:
"Revolution 9 was an unconscious picture of what I actually think will happen when it happens; just like a drawing of a revolution. All the thing was made with loops. I had about 30 loops going, fed them onto one basic track. I was getting classical tapes, going upstairs and chopping them up, making it backwards and things like that, to get the sound effects. One thing was an engineer's testing voice saying, 'This is EMI test series number nine'. I just cut up whatever he said and I'd number nine it. Nine turned out to be my birthday and my lucky number and everything. I didn't realise it: it was just so funny the voice saying, 'number nine'; it was like a joke, bringing number nine into it all the time, that's all it was." John Lennon Rolling Stone, 1970
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Post by alltouttt on Nov 25, 2008 12:09:21 GMT -5
Since I don't care much for opening new threads ... Here's another Guardian piece written by Sir Paul himself... Paul McCartney: Why I experimentLast week John Aizlewood asked why by appealing for the release of the Beatles' lost jam Carnival of Light, Paul McCartney still felt the need to prove his creative worth. Here, speaking yesterday, McCartney replies, explaining that a desire for experimentation has always been part of his music. You can read it here... www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2008/nov/25/paul-mccartney-carnival-light
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Nov 25, 2008 13:12:01 GMT -5
There is a whole other anthology album at least still in the vaults beginning with the unreleased songs the Threetles worked on including Paul's and George's composition together, Carnival of Light, Goodbye, Child of Nature, alternate takes of She's A Woman, Don't Bother Me, What You're Doing, There's A Place, I Saw Her Standing There, Day Tripper, We Can Work It Out, Paperback Writer, All You Need Is Love, Sgt Pepper outtakes, White Album outtakes, Abbey Road outtakes, Hey Jude and Revolution from David Frost and many other live concert and TV performances. I vote for an Anthology IV to be released with the Let It Be DVD.
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Post by superhans on Nov 25, 2008 13:46:16 GMT -5
There is a whole other anthology album at least still in the vaults beginning with the unreleased songs the Threetles worked on including Paul's and George's composition together, Carnival of Light, Goodbye, Child of Nature, alternate takes of She's A Woman, Don't Bother Me, What You're Doing, There's A Place, I Saw Her Standing There, Day Tripper, We Can Work It Out, Paperback Writer, All You Need Is Love, Sgt Pepper outtakes, White Album outtakes, Abbey Road outtakes, Hey Jude and Revolution from David Frost and many other live concert and TV performances. I vote for an Anthology IV to be released with the Let It Be DVD. Was there too much of a bias on 'Anthology' against songs, perceived as 'solo' efforts - e.g. 'Goodbye' - in favour of group performances? ...I'm sure I read somewhere that George vetoed 'Goodbye' from 'Anthology III' on the basis that it was basically a McCartney solo track. This approach seems innately unfair in that many demos basically start off as 'solo' efforts. I'm wondering if this rule was relaxed, what other songs could have been included on Anthology -- 'Goodbye', 'Heather' and 'Suicide' to name but three of Paul's discarded White Album songs.
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 25, 2008 14:06:53 GMT -5
There is a whole other anthology album at least still in the vaults beginning with the unreleased songs the Threetles worked on including Paul's and George's composition together, Carnival of Light, Goodbye, Child of Nature, alternate takes of She's A Woman, Don't Bother Me, What You're Doing, There's A Place, I Saw Her Standing There, Day Tripper, We Can Work It Out, Paperback Writer, All You Need Is Love, Sgt Pepper outtakes, White Album outtakes, Abbey Road outtakes, Hey Jude and Revolution from David Frost and many other live concert and TV performances. I vote for an Anthology IV to be released with the Let It Be DVD. Was there too much of a bias on 'Anthology' against songs, perceived as 'solo' efforts - e.g. 'Goodbye' - in favour of group performances? ...I'm sure I read somewhere that George vetoed 'Goodbye' from 'Anthology III' on the basis that it was basically a McCartney solo track. This approach seems innately unfair in that many demos basically start off as 'solo' efforts. I'm wondering if this rule was relaxed, what other songs could have been included on Anthology -- 'Goodbye', 'Heather' and 'Suicide' to name but three of Paul's discarded White Album songs. If only it would have included "Goodbye" instead of "Step Inside Love" which I detest. The latter is 100 times fruitier than the lovely "Goodbye."
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Post by sayne on Nov 25, 2008 23:46:32 GMT -5
...I'm sure I read somewhere that George vetoed 'Goodbye' from 'Anthology III' on the basis that it was basically a McCartney solo track. This approach seems innately unfair in that many demos basically start off as 'solo' efforts. I haven't heard it in a long time, but wasn't the acoustic version of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" pretty much a solo track or at least very close? If so, another inconsistency by George.
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Post by mikev on Nov 26, 2008 2:12:38 GMT -5
What about the lost George "classic"(clunker) "You Know What to Do?"
Still a favorite track of mine though because I never knew it existed.
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Post by jimc on Nov 27, 2008 1:21:52 GMT -5
What about the lost George "classic"(clunker) "You Know What to Do?" Still a favorite track of mine though because I never knew it existed. You're right; that was a nice surprise on the Anthology. Overall, I'm still happy with the three sets. As someone said, in hindsight I would have included fewer tracks that are Frankensteined together with flown-in parts, etc. But the minute I get negative at all, I remember the beautiful Across the Universe on A2 and the top to bottom greatness of A3, with gems like the ATMP demo and Come Together. RTP, I doubt if we'll ever see a volume 4. We can hope for bonus tracks on individual CDs or deluxe versions. To add to you list, I want to the early version of Love You To.
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Post by Ron Nasty on Dec 11, 2008 4:25:42 GMT -5
Do any of these words embarrass you? Shoe. Megaphone. Grunties. Wankel rotary engine.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Dec 11, 2008 22:51:30 GMT -5
Do any of these words embarrass you? Shoe. Megaphone. Grunties. Wankel rotary engine. ;D
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