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Post by coachbk on Apr 29, 2013 9:49:09 GMT -5
We did it for Paul, so let's give George his time. Again there is something of quality on each of these albums:
1. DARK HORSE-the "hoarse" voice, only 8 songs and a horrible "Bye Bye Love" cover equal a weak album. 2. SOMEWHERE IN ENGLAND-a good single, but otherwise fairly mediocre 3. EXTRA TEXTURE-a great single, but otherwise fairly mediocre 4. GONE TROPPO-George wasn't too inspired and it went straight to the cutouts. Has some OK stuff. 5. 33 1/3-I actually like this album quite a bit, but something had to fill this spot.
I didn't count ELECTRONIC SOUNDS (which would grace the #1 spot) or WONDERWALL (which would knock out 33 1/3).
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 29, 2013 16:46:18 GMT -5
1. Electronic Sound: Why George, why?! Was this to get back at John and Yoko? 2. Extra Texture (Read All About It): Oh a dreadful and dreary album despite it being George's version of soul music. Good soul music has heart and this has none. 3. Somewhere in England: George's original version rejected by the record company is pretty good. The final released version is not. 4. Dark Horse: There are some pretty good songs on this album like the title track and "Simply Shady" but there are some horrendous songs too. 5. Gone Troppo: I like this album but something must be five!
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Post by acebackwords on Apr 30, 2013 13:35:00 GMT -5
DARK HORSE -- it really seemed like the well was starting to run dry. GEORGE HARRISON -- even the album title is uninspired. And for some reason I was always annoyed by the line "He's the master / at going faster" which always struck me as a "moon/June" type banality.
I thought George was pretty much washed up. So I was surprised when he came back so strong with CLOUD 9 and the Traveling Wilburys.
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Post by RockoRoll on Apr 30, 2013 15:08:30 GMT -5
GEORGE HARRISON -- even the album title is uninspired. And for some reason I was always annoyed by the line "He's the master / at going faster" which always struck me as a "moon/June" type banality. I thought George was pretty much washed up. So I was surprised when he came back so strong with CLOUD 9 and the Traveling Wilburys. At least 3/4's of the album (GH) have got good tunes, compared to Living In The Material World, I'm struggling to find even two songs on the album I like...... I was listening to both albums last night, and comparing both, and still don't know what the fuss is over LITMW (and its in the top 10, of all time greatest...WT?) Nup, to me Georges best four are ATMP, C9, Brainwashed, and George Harrison......
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Apr 30, 2013 16:20:04 GMT -5
Five worst, eh?
Well, I'll tell you what won't be making the list: that's Wonderwall. The great lost psychedelic album. But you know that I think that. Enough!
The five are: Electronic Sound, Extra Texture, Brainwashed, the commercial version of Somewhere in England, and by golly there's no fifth!
Electronic Sound is an indulgence, for sure. Great cover though. BTW, that's Sound (singular), NOT Sounds (plural).
Extra Texture: Except for You, This Guitar and His Name Is Legs, this is a dreary album. A fitting last LP for Apple. But in my George Harrison compilation album of weird/unusual stuff, His name Is Legs is one of the best tracks - wonderful. Doesn't belong on Extra Texture.
Brainwashed: I found this album to be very disappointing. Some good tracks, certainly. But an awful lot of nearly-as-boring-as some Extra Texture songs. The song Brainwashed itself is childish. Production on some songs is not my taste.
Somewhere in England (Comm Vers): Teardrops? Ugh. All Those Years Ago? No: far too bopping-along to be a good tribute to John. I say again, if you have not heard the original SinE, get it - the internet is your friend. If you pm me, I'll even give you a link where a vinyl rip of a boot of the original LP can be found.
There you go!
McCabe
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Post by ursamajor on Apr 30, 2013 21:01:11 GMT -5
Without cheating and counting Wonderwall Music and Electronic Sounds becuase let's face it they were both John and Yoko reaching crap ..
George's worst 5 for me would be ..
1. Dark Horse - apart from the title track and Simply Shady the rest is just not good, not sure what George was thinking here, he was too self-righteous at this point and thought he could release anything he wanted.
2. Extra Texture - there are some nice textures on this album but boy does it drag and get boring at times ..
3. LITMW - once again , George fired up by ATMP and he goes all too religious, was so glad to hear a song like Don't Let Me Wait Too Long amidst all the preachy dreariness
4. Gone Troppp - just a throwaway album by George but at least it's fun .. production and song-writing not up to scratch but has it's enjoyable moments like the title song and Greece ..
5. Somewhere in England - I actually like this album but it does have some low points and there are more on this than the other Warner Bros albums ..
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Post by acebackwords on Apr 30, 2013 21:27:22 GMT -5
You got me curious McCabe. I'm gonna have to go back and take a second look at "George Harrison."
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Apr 30, 2013 21:47:14 GMT -5
You got me curious McCabe. I'm gonna have to go back and take a second look at "George Harrison." Yes, I think a re-look would be worth your while. It's a very gentle album, and - for sure - I myself have to be in the mood. It's a whisky-and-soda contemplative album. The solo version of Not Guilty is definitely not the rock version that should've been on the White Album; however, the solo version does make you more aware of the lyrics. The opener (Love Comes To Everyone) is a very positive song, and sets the tone for the album. Blow Away,and Faster are other good songs. But I like Soft Hearted Hana best - another of George's gotta-be-in-the-know songs. McCabe
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 30, 2013 21:47:50 GMT -5
I'll have to revisit each album. The only album I had at release pre-Troppo was Living In the Material World. I wasn't too impressed with it then or now. Although it does have it moments. Give Me Love is a masterpiece.
Speaking of Gone Troppo, it's one of my favorites. Both Mystical One and Unknown Delight are in his top ten best, maybe higher. If you get passed all the "Oh rye em I ayes" or whatever it is, Dream Away is great too. It may be George's Wanderlust. "To be found near the legends of time".
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Apr 30, 2013 21:53:53 GMT -5
Without cheating and counting Wonderwall Music and Electronic Sounds becuase let's face it they were both John and Yoko reaching crap .. Electronic Sound (note that it's NOT Sound s, as you give it) I may grant you to be J&Y "reaching crap" as you call it. But definitely not Wonderwall. You don't have to like it, but you are way off putting it in the same boat as Electronic Sound and the J&Y Unfinished Music series. I mean, have you listened to it? Have you seen the film? At the very least, Wonderwall music succeeds brilliantly as the soundtrack to the film - although my own evaluation of the album puts it as excellent late 60s psychedelic music at its best! McCabe
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 30, 2013 21:59:55 GMT -5
Without cheating and counting Wonderwall Music and Electronic Sounds becuase let's face it they were both John and Yoko reaching crap .. Electronic Sound (note that it's NOT Sound s, as you give it) I may grant you to be J&Y "reaching crap" as you call it. But definitely not Wonderwall. You don't have to like it, but you are way off putting it in the same boat as Electronic Sound and the J&Y Unfinished Music series. I mean, have you listened to it? Have you seen the film? At the very least, Wonderwall music succeeds brilliantly as the soundtrack to the film - although my own evaluation of the album puts it as excellent late 60s psychedelic music at its best! McCabe You had me sold and I was going to buy it, $55 used, $44 dollars used. Is it worth that McCabe?
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Apr 30, 2013 22:11:29 GMT -5
No, No debjorgo - the internet is your friend. Download the album, download the film. Won't cost you a cent. Get back at the bastards who ripped you off for years!
But whatever, get them.
McCabe
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 30, 2013 22:25:24 GMT -5
I know these latest threads are about the solo Beatles' least albums but "Get back at the bastards who ripped you off for years!", I wouldn't go that far.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on May 1, 2013 0:16:22 GMT -5
I know these latest threads are about the solo Beatles' least albums but "Get back at the bastards who ripped you off for years!", I wouldn't go that far. The bastards I'm referring to are the music/record companies. They raked in the profits when we had no choice but to buy their offerng. Now ... there is choice. McCabe
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 1, 2013 1:05:44 GMT -5
It would be too easy to count in stuff like ELECTRONIC SOUND, so:
1) DARK HORSE - Perhaps George's worst, though I do like "Simply Shady", "Dark Horse" and "Ding Dong, Ding Dong".
2) EXTRA TEXTURE - Zzzzzzzz .... Dullsville... I love "This Guitar" only, but like "Answer's At The End" and "You".
3) GONE TROPPO - Although I don't dislike it as much as I did 30 years ago, it's still not a favorite. The songs I like: "That's The Way It Goes" (best track IMO), "Dream Away", "Gone Troppo", "Baby Don't Run Away".
4) BRAINWASHED - Kind of uneven I guess. I love "Any Road" (best track IMO), and then "P2 Vatican Blues", "Pisces Fish", "Looking For My Life", and "Rising Sun". This is one of those albums which shoots its load in the first half ...
5) SOMEWHERE IN ENGLAND - I really didn't want to put this here, but if I'm picking 5, this has to be next. I like the first 6 songs, but have no use for "That Which I have Lost", "Writing's On The Wall", "Hong Kong Blues", or the worst here -- "Save The World".
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Post by RockoRoll on May 1, 2013 5:40:15 GMT -5
You got me curious McCabe. I'm gonna have to go back and take a second look at "George Harrison." I think so ace, you definitely got the album mistaken with *Somewhere In England* Go on Youtube and play each song from both album's (even include LITMW album)......And see how many songs, you like from all three albums....! When your finished see how many you can sing or remember.........lol The GH album will win hands down.......
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Post by RockoRoll on May 1, 2013 5:50:25 GMT -5
Without cheating and counting Wonderwall Music and Electronic Sounds becuase let's face it they were both John and Yoko reaching crap .. George's worst 5 for me would be .. 1. Dark Horse - apart from the title track and Simply Shady the rest is just not good, not sure what George was thinking here, he was too self-righteous at this point and thought he could release anything he wanted. 2. Extra Texture - there are some nice textures on this album but boy does it drag and get boring at times .. 3. LITMW - once again , George fired up by ATMP and he goes all too religious, was so glad to hear a song like Don't Let Me Wait Too Long amidst all the preachy dreariness 4. Gone Troppp - just a throwaway album by George but at least it's fun .. production and song-writing not up to scratch but has it's enjoyable moments like the title song and Greece .. 5. Somewhere in England - I actually like this album but it does have some low points and there are more on this than the other Warner Bros albums .. Perfect Ursa, my list would be exactly like yours........ I love this classic from Gone Troppo, always brings a tear to the eye, every time I hear it.......
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Post by Panther on May 1, 2013 6:34:46 GMT -5
There shall be no dissin' Living In The Material World while I'm around!!
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Post by vectisfabber on May 1, 2013 6:53:49 GMT -5
Withthe exception of two great albums - Cloud 9 and LITMW - and one very good one (ATMP), George's albums tended towards being lacklustre with the odd gem.
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Post by RockoRoll on May 1, 2013 7:17:43 GMT -5
There shall be no dissin' Living In The Material World while I'm around!! I'm glad back in the early 70's, I only bought the single Give Me Love, Bangladesh & ATMP album........I'm wasting another 45min listening to this boring album......................So far *Give Me Love* is a classic, *Don't Let Me Wait Too Long* is not bad, the rest sorry, with a chamomile tea, is putting me to sleep........... The only thing I like is his guitar performances, he's at his finest on here.............. I prefer *London Town* 10 times over than this (making LT look like Pepper.... ), bad coming from my 2nd fav Beatle........I bought the singles This Song & Crackerbox Box later on, then every album from George was awesome (except for GT & SWIE)..........
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Post by vectisfabber on May 1, 2013 8:09:58 GMT -5
Oh, Rocko...
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Post by acebackwords on May 1, 2013 16:10:25 GMT -5
You got me curious McCabe. I'm gonna have to go back and take a second look at "George Harrison." Yes, I think a re-look would be worth your while. It's a very gentle album, and - for sure - I myself have to be in the mood. It's a whisky-and-soda contemplative album. The solo version of Not Guilty is definitely not the rock version that should've been on the White Album; however, the solo version does make you more aware of the lyrics. The opener (Love Comes To Everyone) is a very positive song, and sets the tone for the album. Blow Away,and Faster are other good songs. But I like Soft Hearted Hana best - another of George's gotta-be-in-the-know songs. McCabe Yeah, on second listen there's a lot more to "George Harrison" than I remembered. "A whisky-and-soda contemplative album" is a good way to put it (just my luck I happen to be sober at this particular moment). Rockoroll is right, I had it confused with another album. Its pretty pleasant and -- how do I put this? -- inoffensive with just enough nice melodies and classic George slide to pull it a couple notches above average. I think "Soft Touch" is my favorite. But I'm a little put off by the overly-produced,slick 1980s-type recording studio sound where every note is just a little too clear and clinical (I was getting heavily into stripped down punk rock music in 1979 when this one was released so maybe thats why it left a bad taste in my mouth). And geez, writing a song about a guy driving around in circles in a race car and thats exactly what its about, literally, its not a metaphor or anything (like, say, "Life in the Fast Lane") is pretty inexcusable. And starting the song off with the rev-rev-rev of a racing car. . . sheesh. But I could see how this one could grow on me with repeated late-night listenings. Some of it even reminded me of George trying to do Wings circa "Silly Love Songs" (I mean that as a compliment).
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Post by acebackwords on May 1, 2013 16:13:06 GMT -5
Withthe exception of two great albums - Cloud 9 and LITMW - and one very good one (ATMP), George's albums tended towards being lacklustre with the odd gem. But Vecti pretty much summed up my feelings about George's solo work. Maybe 3 or 4 great albums and then the odd gem amidst the "lacklustre."
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Post by ursamajor on May 1, 2013 18:31:19 GMT -5
Without cheating and counting Wonderwall Music and Electronic Sounds becuase let's face it they were both John and Yoko reaching crap .. Electronic Sound (note that it's NOT Sound s, as you give it) I may grant you to be J&Y "reaching crap" as you call it. But definitely not Wonderwall. You don't have to like it, but you are way off putting it in the same boat as Electronic Sound and the J&Y Unfinished Music series. I mean, have you listened to it? Have you seen the film? At the very least, Wonderwall music succeeds brilliantly as the soundtrack to the film - although my own evaluation of the album puts it as excellent late 60s psychedelic music at its best! McCabe Yes I have listened to it and it's a meandering bore of instrumentals as much as I tried to like it. It's only famous for being the first official solo album and the first album released on Apple. Given that it was undistinguished then as it continues to be today. As far as being a soundtrack album, a sitar-track would be more befitting its classification. The fact that few record stores chose to stock it just like Two Virgins, Life With the Lions and The Wedding Album taints it with the same brush. Now for the real Wonderwall Music .. it goes something like this .. ready .. here I go .. TOO-DAYYYYY IS GONNA BE THE DAY THAT THEY'RE GONNA THROW IT BACK TO YOUUUUUU !!
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Post by ursamajor on May 1, 2013 18:34:09 GMT -5
Without cheating and counting Wonderwall Music and Electronic Sounds becuase let's face it they were both John and Yoko reaching crap .. George's worst 5 for me would be .. 1. Dark Horse - apart from the title track and Simply Shady the rest is just not good, not sure what George was thinking here, he was too self-righteous at this point and thought he could release anything he wanted. 2. Extra Texture - there are some nice textures on this album but boy does it drag and get boring at times .. 3. LITMW - once again , George fired up by ATMP and he goes all too religious, was so glad to hear a song like Don't Let Me Wait Too Long amidst all the preachy dreariness 4. Gone Troppp - just a throwaway album by George but at least it's fun .. production and song-writing not up to scratch but has it's enjoyable moments like the title song and Greece .. 5. Somewhere in England - I actually like this album but it does have some low points and there are more on this than the other Warner Bros albums .. Perfect Ursa, my list would be exactly like yours........ I love this classic from Gone Troppo, always brings a tear to the eye, every time I hear it....... Good choice Rock, one of the more melodic songs George has written, the best song on Gone Troppo IMO. Too bad George was stuck in a rut after ATMP and didn't come good again until 33 1/3
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Post by ursamajor on May 1, 2013 18:42:10 GMT -5
There shall be no dissin' Living In The Material World while I'm around!! Well whether you are around or not it's pretty hard to argue what a bland and tedious listening experience it is. Apart from Give Me Love which is a classic , Sue Me Sue You Blues and Don't Let Me Wait Too Long there is nothing else that stands out, the layers and layers of production George slapped on some of the songs works to their detriment, better to be slight and enjoyable rather than slight and boring.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on May 1, 2013 21:24:24 GMT -5
As far as being a soundtrack album, a sitar-track would be more befitting its classification. Eh? What classification is that? If you had, with any sort of engagement, listened to the album, and/or seen the film, you would know that many tracks don't have any Indian instrument (which is what I presume you mean by "sitar-track"). Do you want to revist that silly statement? Do you really mean to say that the excellence of a record is how many stores stock it? Now for the real reason I'm replying to you ... what on earth do you mean by that? I showed my wife and she said, McCabe*, you know what's happening: the poster (you, ursa) is upset but can't quite put together a clever insult/putdown. Is that it? McCabe *She didn't actually say McCabe, or even Joseph. What she did call me is married-couple-private stuff, ahem!
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Post by vectisfabber on May 2, 2013 3:06:27 GMT -5
it's pretty hard to argue what a bland and tedious listening experience it is. I think you're suggesting that it is easy to argue that it's a bland and tedious listening experience and, when it first came out, I would have agreed. I have come to appreciate the subtlety and depth of much of the stuff on it which I had previously discounted and, in particular, I am a passionate advocate of be Here Now, straight out of the Long Long Long school of quiet power.
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Post by mikev on May 2, 2013 7:34:07 GMT -5
As far as being a soundtrack album, a sitar-track would be more befitting its classification. Eh? What classification is that? If you had, with any sort of engagement, listened to the album, and/or seen the film, you would know that many tracks don't have any Indian instrument (which is what I presume you mean by "sitar-track"). Do you want to revist that silly statement? Do you really mean to say that the excellence of a record is how many stores stock it? Now for the real reason I'm replying to you ... what on earth do you mean by that? I showed my wife and she said, McCabe*, you know what's happening: the poster (you, ursa) is upset but can't quite put together a clever insult/putdown. Is that it? McCabe *She didn't actually say McCabe, or even Joseph. What she did call me is married-couple-private stuff, ahem! The last line is a lyric from Oasis's Wonderwall.
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Post by ursamajor on May 2, 2013 7:37:23 GMT -5
As far as being a soundtrack album, a sitar-track would be more befitting its classification. Eh? What classification is that? If you had, with any sort of engagement, listened to the album, and/or seen the film, you would know that many tracks don't have any Indian instrument (which is what I presume you mean by "sitar-track"). Do you want to revist that silly statement? Do you really mean to say that the excellence of a record is how many stores stock it? Now for the real reason I'm replying to you ... what on earth do you mean by that? I showed my wife and she said, McCabe*, you know what's happening: the poster (you, ursa) is upset but can't quite put together a clever insult/putdown. Is that it? McCabe *She didn't actually say McCabe, or even Joseph. What she did call me is married-couple-private stuff, ahem! Since you and the missus must be in your 60s or 70s here is the real Wonderwall Music, this time without my singing After she has thanked me through you for seeing the light, tell her that the poster ursa (that's me) told McCabe (that's you) that she and her husband should spend a cold winter's night at home one evening watching these fabulous movies with fabulous soundtracks with some scotch (come on no one says whiskey anymore) and some cashews whilst slow cooking some coq au vin, which means you should be having some wine too Top Gun Trainspotting Pulp Fiction and top it off with either A Hard Days Night or Help! you can both thank me later
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