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Post by Steve Marinucci on May 18, 2013 9:34:53 GMT -5
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Post by winstonoboogie on May 18, 2013 13:07:03 GMT -5
Well, looks like we'll all have to save our pennies....
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Post by John S. Damm on May 18, 2013 22:49:13 GMT -5
I don't like the book's title or the album cover. Looks cheesy! I would have thought the book would have had a stately cover and a simple title.
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Post by scousette on May 19, 2013 1:03:51 GMT -5
And it only covers through 1962?
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Post by lowbasso on May 19, 2013 3:21:06 GMT -5
Hopefully you (Steve), or someone can review the two editions ahead of time, so we can decide if shelling out almost $200 for the author's cut will be worth it or not. There will be a month between the two versions release dates in the fall.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 19, 2013 5:11:21 GMT -5
I won't be buying any of these. The last thing I need is yet another Beatles Biography, even of this will be the one to end all biographies. However, I think it's great for newbies who are just starting out.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on May 19, 2013 15:03:34 GMT -5
Hopefully you (Steve), or someone can review the two editions ahead of time, so we can decide if shelling out almost $200 for the author's cut will be worth it or not. There will be a month between the two versions release dates in the fall. I hope so, too. I'll be in touch with him between now and then.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on May 19, 2013 15:05:20 GMT -5
And it only covers through 1962? Yup. Which means the first volume will be the prequel, so to speak, with all the childhood stuff and the early band days. Given the author's cut is so huge, God only knows what he has found. But he's not saying much yet.
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Post by Panther on May 20, 2013 4:47:39 GMT -5
I dunno, 1000 pages and you haven't even got to the first album...? I mean, I'm usually a fan of thoroughness, but do we need to know exactly what Ringo had for lunch every day of 1952?
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Post by mikev on May 20, 2013 6:51:04 GMT -5
I dunno, 1000 pages and you haven't even got to the first album...? I mean, I'm usually a fan of thoroughness, but do we need to know exactly what Ringo had for lunch every day of 1952? I agree- I love Sessions, but have no interest in chronicles of the daily BMs of Beatle teens. What might appeal to me though is a description of the rehearsals and long shows they did in the Hamburg and Cavern days.
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Post by John S. Damm on May 20, 2013 14:49:49 GMT -5
At least this won't short-change the later years. Both Hunter Davies' book and later "Shout" spend about 75% on the childhood years(mostly John), Hamburg and then the start of Beatlemania and 25% with the rest of the story.
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Post by lowbasso on Jun 21, 2013 23:07:46 GMT -5
Steve; Just listened to the four interviews you posted with Mark Lewisohn on the forthcoming book. Fascinating! It's like watching the trailer to a movie you have been waiting to be made for decades! Tantalizing tidbits of info get thrown out by Lewisohn that really hit you in the face like a cold towel; (Hope I heard these right) 1) "The Beatles never really auditioned for George Martin" 2) "Pete Best knows exactly why he was fired from The Beatles" There is no mystery there. No reason for Pete to say to this day he has no idea why he was let go.
I wonder if Paul, Ringo, and Pete will be given advanced copies of this first edition to review for themselves in case they wish to contradict what is written. Lewishohn seems to cover himself in that eventuality saying they (The Surviving Beatles) may not have their stories absolutely correct, and Lewisohn claims he has documentation to back up everything he states in his book.
Little Brown Books (or whatever the publisher's name is that is putting out the UK edition) says the "long" (Author's uncut version) version of the book will only be available initially in the UK this fall. And Crown, the US publisher, will only offer the abridged shorter version to American fans. Why the hell should anyone, spend the considerable money this book will cost, to obtain an incomplete version of such an undertaking? Why are there two versions coming out, and only the UK readers are able to purchase the complete version? It seems like Americans are getting short-changed once again by a Beatles item (much like we were by Capitol's versions of Beatle albums in the 1960's that were so wildly different from the UK Parlophone versions The Beatles spent so much time sequencing and which always contained more tracks).
Why would any serious American Beatlefan buy the Crown versions if they are incomplete? It seems we will need to make arrangements with our friends in the UK to purchase the UK versions for us, re-imburse them, and then ask them to ship them to us in the States. That is just assinine of Crown Books to not offer the complete version.
Steve, please let us know when the other interviews with Lewisohn are released on the subject of this project!
Can we find somewhere (an address or e-mail address) to write to the US publisher, Crown, of our displeasure in not offering the complete version to American fans?
Maybe you could obtain a statement from Crown Books as to the assinine plan to release a shortened version of this project?
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 21, 2013 23:39:13 GMT -5
Steve; Just listened to the four interviews you posted with Mark Lewisohn on the forthcoming book. Fascinating! It's like watching the trailer to a movie you have been waiting to be made for decades! Tantalizing tidbits of info get thrown out by Lewisohn that really hit you in the face like a cold towel; (Hope I heard these right) 1) "The Beatles never really auditioned for George Martin" 2) "Pete Best knows exactly why he was fired from The Beatles" There is no mystery there. No reason for Pete to say to this day he has no idea why he was let go. I wonder if Paul, Ringo, and Pete will be given advanced copies of this first edition to review for themselves in case they wish to contradict what is written. Lewishohn seems to cover himself in that eventuality saying they (The Surviving Beatles) may not have their stories absolutely correct, and Lewisohn claims he has documentation to back up everything he states in his book. Little Brown Books (or whatever the publisher's name is that is putting out the UK edition) says the "long" (Author's uncut version) version of the book will only be available initially in the UK this fall. And Crown, the US publisher, will only offer the abridged shorter version to American fans. Why the hell should anyone, spend the considerable money this book will cost, to obtain an incomplete version of such an undertaking? Why are there two versions coming out, and only the UK readers are able to purchase the complete version? It seems like Americans are getting short-changed once again by a Beatles item (much like we were by Capitol's versions of Beatle albums in the 1960's that were so wildly different from the UK Parlophone versions The Beatles spent so much time sequencing and which always contained more tracks). Why would any serious American Beatlefan buy the Crown versions if they are incomplete? It seems we will need to make arrangements with our friends in the UK to purchase the UK versions for us, re-imburse them, and then ask them to ship them to us in the States. That is just assinine of Crown Books to not offer the complete version. Steve, please let us know when the other interviews with Lewisohn are released on the subject of this project! Can we find somewhere (an address or e-mail address) to write to the US publisher, Crown, of our displeasure in not offering the complete version to American fans? Maybe you could obtain a statement from Crown Books as to the assinine plan to release a shortened version of this project? The excerpts can be found on Ken's website. And we'll have an excerpt on this weekend's "Things We Said Today," on Fab4Radio.com and Beatles-a-Rama this weekend. The excerpt in the program (which I was hearing for the first time) is fascinating. Ken said tonight he'll put more up between now and next Thursday. I wrote about it tonight with some quotes from Ken and Mark. It's here: www.examiner.com/article/author-mark-lewisohn-previews-his-multi-volume-beatles-bio-new-interview. Mark told me that the reason the long version is only in the UK has to do with the rights. He said it will be offered in the U.S. eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 5:49:24 GMT -5
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 22, 2013 9:01:53 GMT -5
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Post by lowbasso on Jun 22, 2013 12:50:06 GMT -5
So you can order the deluxe version thru Amazon.UK and pay in UK Pounds the price plus the shipping costs to have it delivered to your US address?
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 22, 2013 19:22:08 GMT -5
So you can order the deluxe version thru Amazon.UK and pay in UK Pounds the price plus the shipping costs to have it delivered to your US address? Yes. I've ordered from Amazon.co.uk many times. The conversion is handled automatically.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 0:22:21 GMT -5
So you can order the deluxe version thru Amazon.UK and pay in UK Pounds the price plus the shipping costs to have it delivered to your US address? Yes. I've ordered from Amazon.co.uk many times. The conversion is handled automatically. I am a regular Amazon.UK user, it's a great service, you just have to be patient waiting for your purchase to arrive.
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Post by joeyself on Jun 26, 2013 11:32:02 GMT -5
I keep thinking about those words to the effect that "no US release of the expanded edition is planned at this time." Or "Initially available only in the UK." I don't want to miss out on the expanded version, but don't want to pay the higher costs for the import.
What to do, what to do...?
JcS
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Post by joeyself on Jun 26, 2013 11:41:42 GMT -5
Lewishohn seems to cover himself in that eventuality saying they (The Surviving Beatles) may not have their stories absolutely correct, and Lewisohn claims he has documentation to back up everything he states in his book. You can bet that's right. Mark and I became acquainted when he was about to take issue with something written in a UK newspaper. It's been 18 years or more, so I don't remember the story exactly (and it happened to ME, which tells me a little about the reliability of one's memory on events years later), but I think something was written about a copyright infringement case that had nothing to do with the Beatles, but the Harrison "My Sweet Lord" case was mentioned. The writer said it cost George "a small fortune." Mark didn't remember it that way, and was going to write a letter to the editor, but first, he wanted to make sure. So, he asked a mutual friend if he thought I'd mind talking to him about it, and our friend gave Mark my number. He gave me a call and asked me the questions he had. I had to go look up my stuff and got him his answer--he was satisfied when I related the numbers to him that "a small fortune" was not far off, and not worth the quibble. I was left impressed that he was so interested in getting things right that he was willing to go to the trouble to 1. find me 2. make a trans-Atlantic call (those aren't cheap--I know, because I had to call him back a couple of times)and 3. was willing to accept that his knee-jerk reaction wasn't borne out by the facts All of which involved an off-hand observation in a newspaper article. JcS
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 26, 2013 13:29:39 GMT -5
I keep thinking about those words to the effect that "no US release of the expanded edition is planned at this time." Or "Initially available only in the UK." I don't want to miss out on the expanded version, but don't want to pay the higher costs for the import. What to do, what to do...? JcS Joey: I get the impression from him it will come out in the U.S. eventually.
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Post by lowbasso on Jun 26, 2013 23:59:38 GMT -5
I keep thinking about those words to the effect that "no US release of the expanded edition is planned at this time." Or "Initially available only in the UK." I don't want to miss out on the expanded version, but don't want to pay the higher costs for the import. What to do, what to do...? JcS Joey: I get the impression from him it will come out in the U.S. eventually. We've already waited almost a decade to get this first volume. Realistically, this book is going to be primarily for diehard Beatlefans. And most of us are not spring chickens anymore. 1st Generation fans are now in their 60's and 70's. Are the American Beatlefans going to sit around even longer waiting for the "expanded" version and not buy this book when it comes out because the morononic Crown Pulblisher chooses to put out an abridged version? Yea right. Crown is screwing themselves with this assinine business decision. They will lose out on all the initial buys by the hardcore fans who simply order the "expanded" version from the British Amazon and the British publisher. Crown will be left with the few casual fans who are not aware initially of the release and the fans who decide not to spend the extra money necessary to order the expanded version of the book from the UK and have it shipped to the USA. Let's get real, this book isn't going to make the NY Times bestseller list.....
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 1, 2013 0:29:43 GMT -5
Okay, you guys freaked me out and I just pre-ordered the "Expanded" Volume I from Amazon U.K. for 126.98 pounds which equals nearly $194.00! Damn, regular Volume I was only 23.99 pounds so this had better be good. Do I at least get a Lewisohn toenail clipping or something with my order? The text will be the same right? I mean the U.K. version isn't written in olde English like Shakespeare or Chaucer??
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Post by vectisfabber on Jul 1, 2013 5:54:28 GMT -5
Chaucerian, for sure.
I wot they Beatles, long in Liverpoule, For wen as youth they metteth all in skoule And larked about and saggeth off all day And off to Forthlin Road, their records all to play...
I can hardly wait.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 1, 2013 10:42:54 GMT -5
Chaucerian, for sure. I wot they Beatles, long in Liverpoule, For wen as youth they metteth all in skoule And larked about and saggeth off all day And off to Forthlin Road, their records all to play... I can hardly wait. LOL! Good one vectis! I was a little worried buying a foreign version. And why the difference in price between "Regular" Volume I(23.99 Pounds) and "Expanded" Volume I(126.99 Pounds). Is it just the page count or are there other extras like the recent deluxe WOA?
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Post by scousette on Jul 1, 2013 12:20:34 GMT -5
I think vectis should translate the Lewisohn book into Chaucerian!
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jul 1, 2013 12:20:59 GMT -5
I was a little worried buying a foreign version. And why the difference in price between "Regular" Volume I(23.99 Pounds) and "Expanded" Volume I(126.99 Pounds). Is it just the page count or are there other extras like the recent deluxe WOA? Word count at least, John. About double, from what Lewisohn says.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 1, 2013 13:32:56 GMT -5
I was a little worried buying a foreign version. And why the difference in price between "Regular" Volume I(23.99 Pounds) and "Expanded" Volume I(126.99 Pounds). Is it just the page count or are there other extras like the recent deluxe WOA? Word count at least, John. About double, from what Lewisohn says. Thanks Steve. I was afraid of that. It seems then the "Expanded" should only be twice the cost of the 23.99 Regular book but not 126.99!!
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Post by vectisfabber on Jul 7, 2013 13:44:34 GMT -5
I had the original 1991 Lewisohn's Chronicle: it died. I acquired a copy last week from Big Plod Steve of the 1996 reprint (different publisher). On the back of the dust jacket it reprints, in large type, part of George Martin's foreword, full of fulsome praise for the author. Paul Lewisohn.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jul 7, 2013 13:44:51 GMT -5
I had the original 1991 Lewisohn's Chronicle: it died. I acquired a copy last week from Big Plod Steve of the 1996 reprint (different publisher). On the back of the dust jacket it reprints, in large type, part of George Martin's foreword, full of fulsome praise for the author. Paul Lewisohn.
So remarkable that I felt it necessary to tell you twice.
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