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Post by sayne on Nov 17, 2013 0:23:50 GMT -5
I think the Muslims knocked on our door at least once . . . And the score is: Muslims 1, Mormons/Jehovah's Witnesses, et al, 1+ ___ .
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Post by debjorgo on Nov 17, 2013 0:26:00 GMT -5
I think the Muslims knocked on our door at least once . . . And the score is: Muslims 1, Mormons/Jehovah's Witnesses, et al, 1+ ___ . The knock on the door I'm talking about reached 3,000 people.
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Post by acebackwords on Nov 17, 2013 1:08:45 GMT -5
I think I finally figured out where John Lennon would be politically in the year 2013.
He would come out as a strong supporter of the Tea Party. But then when rumors surfaced that Mihichelle Bachmann was coming on sexually to Mia Farrow he'd become disillusioned and debunk the whole lot of them. After writing a bitter top ten single -- "Sexy Ted Cruz what have you done you made a fool of everyone" -- he'd publicly come out in support of the crack smoking mayor of Toronto.
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Post by sayne on Nov 17, 2013 2:00:59 GMT -5
And the score is: Muslims 1, Mormons/Jehovah's Witnesses, et al, 1+ ___ . The knock on the door I'm talking about reached 3,000 people. That's not clever at all. Unless, of course, you want to agree that the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, and the forced conversions of indigenous peoples in the "New World" were examples of pounding on doors and knocking them down when no one answered.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 17, 2013 6:41:51 GMT -5
. . . Christian Bashing is perfectly allowed, I forgot... carry on! ) ... I don't know the last time a person in the United States was beat up for being Christian, but we all know about the risk of WWM (walking while Muslim). I also don't often hear much uproar about a mainstream Christian church being built in a neighborhood, unless its about a zoning issue or size issue, but boy, try to get a Muslim temple built and people's hackles rise. Don't be silly now, Mr. Sayne! Of course I didn't mean "Christian Bashing" in the physical sense. I'm talking about verbally and in print, etc. At the same time, try verbally criticizing Jews, for example, and people will be branded and reviled. As to muslims ... oh, you cannot be serious...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 17, 2013 6:47:01 GMT -5
The knock on the door I'm talking about reached 3,000 people. That's not clever at all. Unless, of course, you want to agree that the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, and the forced conversions of indigenous peoples in the "New World" were examples of pounding on doors and knocking them down when no one answered. I thought debjorgo's quote was very clever, and right on the money. Sayne, how about us talking about today and the 21st century? The idea should be that modern people are not as backward as they used to be in past centuries.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 17, 2013 6:56:32 GMT -5
Unless you have had to fear the prejudice of the majority, you don't understand how intimidating what some call "politically incorrect" language can be, and how important eradicating it is to ensure liberty and justice for all. Here is the part where I explain that it's not 200 years ago -- nor even 50 years ago. It is a new age, and one where the minorities (or so I am hearing) are now the whites. My personal experiences at my job, for example, are now that the females and black people get treated with special consideration, while us male whites are the newly discriminated and get reprimanded. So I say stop singing that old blues about "Nobody knows the trouble I've seen" in this era.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 17, 2013 6:58:37 GMT -5
Btw Christian bashing is thoroughly disgusting, as is anti Muslim hysteria, anti-semitism etc. if someone wants to practice their religion, they should have complete freedom to do that without the hate speech. That's what freedom of religion is all about. Fine, just don't blow up our buildings or chop our heads off. This is no longer the barbaric dark ages, I would hope.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 17, 2013 7:02:34 GMT -5
I've never had a Muslim or a Jew come to my house to ask me if I want to be saved. I've never had one either. Nor have I ever had a Christian come to my house and ask me to be saved (guess they passed my house). We can sort of meet in the middle on that. It's true, however the very core of the muslim religion itself is pretty extreme.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 17, 2013 7:10:36 GMT -5
You're right about the Jews though, they don't recruit. They are the 'chosen ones'.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 17, 2013 7:13:14 GMT -5
In a majority Christian nation as the United States, it's clear what the "right" religion is. I don't get that vibe at all, at least not anymore.
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Post by debjorgo on Nov 17, 2013 8:58:06 GMT -5
The knock on the door I'm talking about reached 3,000 people. That's not clever at all. Unless, of course, you want to agree that the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, and the forced conversions of indigenous peoples in the "New World" were examples of pounding on doors and knocking them down when no one answered. Of course I'd agree on that. That's what I meant when I said: "And yes, it is only the radical Muslim extremists that plotted 9/11. And it wasn't all Christians who started the crusades." The Christian radical element, which does exist, especial in America, would be much more aggressive if allowed. That's why we have the separation of church and state in the constitution. It stops the religious elements from making religious beliefs the law of the land.
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Post by sayne on Nov 17, 2013 9:23:07 GMT -5
Sayne, how about us talking about today and the 21st century? The idea should be that modern people are not as backward as they used to be in past centuries. But, you keep talking about the "good old days" being better than today.
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Post by sayne on Nov 17, 2013 9:24:00 GMT -5
I don't know the last time a person in the United States was beat up for being Christian, but we all know about the risk of WWM (walking while Muslim). I also don't often hear much uproar about a mainstream Christian church being built in a neighborhood, unless its about a zoning issue or size issue, but boy, try to get a Muslim temple built and people's hackles rise. Don't be silly now, Mr. Sayne! Of course I didn't mean "Christian Bashing" in the physical sense. I'm talking about verbally and in print, etc. At the same time, try verbally criticizing Jews, for example, and people will be branded and reviled. As to muslims ... oh, you cannot be serious... Does that mean you think it's okay? I'm not sure what you mean.
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Post by sayne on Nov 17, 2013 9:27:19 GMT -5
I've never had a Muslim or a Jew come to my house to ask me if I want to be saved. I've never had one either. Nor have I ever had a Christian come to my house and ask me to be saved (guess they passed my house). Maybe it's because they can sense that your house is a holy place and you are already enlightened and saved. You're a buddah, bro.
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Post by acebackwords on Nov 17, 2013 11:59:23 GMT -5
Sayne, how about us talking about today and the 21st century? The idea should be that modern people are not as backward as they used to be in past centuries. But, you keep talking about the "good old days" being better than today. Oh geez, I'm not saying everything was rosey and perfect back in dem Good Ole Days. But I've never been more depressed and disturbed about the state of society than I am These Days. It seems like we're on the verge of complete collapse, economically and socially. Course it could just be that MY life sucks and I'm projecting.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 17, 2013 16:17:20 GMT -5
Oh geez, I'm not saying everything was rosey and perfect back in dem Good Ole Days. But I've never been more depressed and disturbed about the state of society than I am These Days. It seems like we're on the verge of complete collapse, economically and socially. I was going to basically respond in the same way (as Sayne was likely addressing me as well, if not exclusively ) . But the thing always is, I am never saying that " everything was better then, and everything is worse today". This is always a common mistake others make whenever these discussions occur on the different message boards I visit. In my case, while some of it is the innocence of my childhood, no way is that the whole deal... or even the main part of it. We have youngsters today writing in comments sections, saying "Man, I wish I was around then - it was so cool, and today sucks". I cannot go find these quotes right here and now, but I HAVE most definitely read these comments, or heard young people saying this. These days so many of them are hanging themselves and/or shooting up malls and then themselves in a blaze of glory. If only they'd learn to grow up with The Beatles or I Love Lucy or The Odd Couple. And to sayne here: when I talk about the "good old days" I'm not referring to before the 20th century. And yes, in saying this I realize that for many minority groups the 20th century was in no way their "good old days". But guess what? I don't speak for them; I am speaking from my own POV.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 17, 2013 16:25:06 GMT -5
Does that mean you think it's okay? I'm not sure what you mean. I guess I still have trouble forgetting since those towers were demolished and all those innocent people lost their lives. I wouldn't encourage anything, but I wouldn't lose sleep over anything, either.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Nov 17, 2013 16:47:00 GMT -5
Oh geez, I'm not saying everything was rosey and perfect back in dem Good Ole Days. But I've never been more depressed and disturbed about the state of society than I am These Days. It seems like we're on the verge of complete collapse, economically and socially. I was going to basically respond in the same way (as Sayne was likely addressing me as well, if not exclusively ) . But the thing always is, I am never saying that " everything was better then, and everything is worse today". This is always a common mistake others make whenever these discussions occur on the different message boards I visit. In my case, while some of it is the innocence of my childhood, no way is that the whole deal... or even the main part of it. We have youngsters today writing in comments sections, saying "Man, I wish I was around then - it was so cool, and today sucks". I cannot go find these quotes right here and now, but I HAVE most definitely read these comments, or heard young people saying this. These days so many of them are hanging themselves and/or shooting up malls and then themselves in a blaze of glory. If only they'd learn to grow up with The Beatles or I Love Lucy or The Odd Couple. And to sayne here: when I talk about the "good old days" I'm not referring to before the 20th century. And yes, in saying this I realize that for many minority groups the 20th century was in no way their "good old days". But guess what? I don't speak for them; I am speaking from my own POV. Ah, so you were the same Joe Karlosi who posted an Amazon review on the Odd Couple DVDs! I have those too, what an underrated gem of a show!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 17, 2013 17:04:38 GMT -5
Ah, so you were the same Joe Karlosi who posted an Amazon review on the Odd Couple DVDs! I have those too, what an underrated gem of a show! "That Was Me"! Yup. I was also upset that some episodes were edited for music content on the OC discs, but overall it was compromised for with other footage restored that used to be cut out for commercial time, so it all evens out. My girlfriend and I recently watched all 5 seasons on DVD and they worked well, hardly even aware of the missing or rarely substituted bits.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Nov 18, 2013 20:34:15 GMT -5
Ah, so you were the same Joe Karlosi who posted an Amazon review on the Odd Couple DVDs! I have those too, what an underrated gem of a show! "That Was Me"! Yup. I was also upset that some episodes were edited for music content on the OC discs, but overall it was compromised for with other footage restored that used to be cut out for commercial time, so it all evens out. My girlfriend and I recently watched all 5 seasons on DVD and they worked well, hardly even aware of the missing or rarely substituted bits. Sometimes you lose plot points when they pull out the songs. How much did that save anyway?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 18, 2013 20:42:31 GMT -5
Sometimes you lose plot points when they pull out the songs. How much did that save anyway? True about losing plot points in general, yet I don't recall anything really suffering from the eliminations - at least not too much. I thought they were the kind of losses where "what you didn't already know was there won't hurt you". But I don't know how much they saved... I think it was really unfortunate that they edited the episodes. But on Amazon there were so many protestors saying they refused to buy the DVD Seasons at all due to this, and who got hurt by that? THEY did! It wasn't like Paramount was going to go and re-do these, so in the end the fans who lost out won't have beautiful-looking transfers and will have to stick with their old commercial-filled TV copies (which are missing other scenes anyway!).
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Nov 18, 2013 20:48:33 GMT -5
Sometimes you lose plot points when they pull out the songs. How much did that save anyway? True about losing plot points in general, yet I don't recall anything really suffering from the eliminations - at least not too much. I thought they were the kind of losses where "what you didn't already know was there won't hurt you". But I don't know how much they saved... I think it was really unfortunate that they edited the episodes. But on Amazon there were so many protestors saying they refused to buy the DVD Seasons at all due to this, and who got hurt by that? THEY did! It wasn't like Paramount was going to go and re-do these, so in the end the fans who lost out won't have beautiful-looking transfers and will have to stick with their old commercial-filled TV copies (which are missing other scenes anyway!). I really enjoyed watching the parts that were cut out in syndication. This show really bears repeated watching a.
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