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Post by debjorgo on Nov 30, 2013 20:19:54 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 30, 2013 21:16:14 GMT -5
Wow, I didn't know about Hank Williams' wife, I want to read more on her.
I would put Stella McCartney's skank girlfriend Gwyneth Paltrow in that list as she wants desperately a music career so she married Coldplay's frontman Chris Martin. The big scoop is that she has tired of him and has cheated on him. Maybe she can bump Nancy off and get Paul. Unlike Chris Martin, Paul has a history of putting his wife onstage with him!
Linda would be in the list but she gets the sympathy factor. Us older fans remember all the jokes aimed at her as a musician and member of Wings. I am not saying I agree but I'd say that both Yoko and Linda were not well liked in the Rock world as a whole, Linda's passing softening the critics.
Courtney Love should be the real #1. She is evil and just plain nasty.
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Post by debjorgo on Nov 30, 2013 21:25:56 GMT -5
For a long while there, there was as many kooks who thought Linda broke up the Beatles as there was those who blamed Yoko.
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 1, 2013 5:55:37 GMT -5
Really? Sceptical.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 1, 2013 7:11:42 GMT -5
My choice for #1 most despicable wife is Heathen Mills. She was a bitch who really resented her time with Paul - even while she was still married to Paul before the divorce turmoil began! She appeared on a Barbara Walters interview for TV early in their marriage, saying her experience in the first year with Paul "was worse than when I lost my leg". When asked if she was bossy and controlling, Heathen gloated: "I think men need to be bossed" . Then we had that Larry King appearance with Heathen and Paul, as she blabbed on about her plight to protect the seals -- and meanwhile Paul just sat there looking stifled and like a disciplined and obedient church boy. Heathen was never right for Paul, and I'm so glad he washed his hands of her and went on to find real love, with a much happier outlook on relationships with "NEW" .
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Post by sallyg on Dec 1, 2013 8:44:34 GMT -5
My choice for #1 most despicable wife is Heathen Mills. She was a bitch who really resented her time with Paul - even while she was still married to Paul before the divorce turmoil began! She appeared on a Barbara Walters interview for TV early in their marriage, saying her experience in the first year with Paul "was worse than when I lost my leg". When asked if she was bossy and controlling, Heathen gloated: "I think men need to be bossed" . Then we had that Larry King appearance with Heathen and Paul, as she blabbed on about her plight to protect the seals -- and meanwhile Paul just sat there looking stifled and like a disciplined and obedient church boy. Heathen was never right for Paul, and I'm so glad he washed his hands of her and went on to find real love, with a much happier outlook on relationships with "NEW" . HM should be in the top 10 most hated rock wives. Personally, I would put her in the top 5.
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 1, 2013 17:17:47 GMT -5
"Hate" seems a pretty strong word. Most rock star wives seem pretty sympathetic figures to me, having to put up with the enormous egos of their hubbies.
I've never heard a bad word about Precilla Presley before this. She always seemed more like a victim if anything.
Anita Pallenberg always seemed like a cruel piece of work with her "destruction of innocence" trip
You'd think the sow who had Michael Jackson's kids would have gotten a few votes.
I guess Nancy Spungen didn't make it because Sid Vicious isn't famous enough.
How 'bout most hated rock husbands?
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Post by scousette on Dec 1, 2013 23:48:02 GMT -5
It's no surprise Yoko is #1 on the list.
Now that Paul is related to Barbara Walters through his marriage to Nancy Shevell (Nancy's late mother and Walters were fist cousins) Paul will never endure an embarrassing Baba Wawa interview.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 2, 2013 0:16:48 GMT -5
It's no surprise Yoko is #1 on the list. Uhh... gee -- da ya think? But just because so many selfish Beatle fans worldwide, both then and now, can't accept her and hate her with a passion, that doesn't mean it's warranted. It can't possibly be so, when the husband in question (John in this case) was happier and more improved as a man than he'd ever been in his previous life before her. Paul with Heather (for example) is another matter entirely.
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 2, 2013 0:59:16 GMT -5
You have to take these lists with a big grain of salt. If they took a poll of the most ADMIRED rock wives I'm sure Yoko would place in the top 5 of that too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 6:48:01 GMT -5
You have to take these lists with a big grain of salt. If they took a poll of the most ADMIRED rock wives I'm sure Yoko would place in the top 5 of that too. I'm not so sure about that.
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Post by mikev on Dec 2, 2013 8:30:50 GMT -5
It's no surprise Yoko is #1 on the list. Uhh... gee -- da ya think? But just because so many selfish Beatle fans worldwide, both then and now, can't accept her and hate her with a passion, that doesn't mean it's warranted. It can't possibly be so, when the husband in question (John in this case) was happier and more improved as a man than he'd ever been in his previous life before her. Paul with Heather (for example) is another matter entirely. More improved...heroin addiction??? "take a bite...taste like chicken...said Eve to Adam"... I would agree with you on the 1975-1980 edition of John and Yoko to at least the extent of raising Sean, and everybody is entitled to second chances.
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 2, 2013 9:54:12 GMT -5
You have to take these lists with a big grain of salt. If they took a poll of the most ADMIRED rock wives I'm sure Yoko would place in the top 5 of that too. I'm not so sure about that. You'd be surprised. Over and over I'll see these polls like, The Most Admired People in America. And it will be people like Reagan, Obama, Oprah, Clinton, Bush, etc. Then I'll find a poll of the most Disliked people and it'll be the same basic people.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 2, 2013 11:53:34 GMT -5
I don't see anyone here saying they agree with Yoko being "hated" but we are just not surprised that she is #1 on a list from all the grief she took, not all grief without some provocation from Yoko herself with John's encouragement. For whatever reason, Yoko is the poster child for Rock Star spouses not liked by the Rock world in general although Yoko clearly has her fans. Bianca Jagger should be on any list too! I think she is kind of forgotten which is good! She was a gold digger.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 3, 2013 6:28:07 GMT -5
More improved...heroin addiction??? "take a bite...taste like chicken...said Eve to Adam"... And... BING! Right on the money! Ha Ha! Yes, I was waiting for someone to typically whip out the ol' 'ace in the pocket'! John Lennon experimented with everything, and even before he really hooked up with Yoko. There is no doubt in my mind he would have tried H as well, one way or the other. Secondly, so he passed through that phase and kicked it, and wrote COLD TURKEY about the experience. The bottom line here is not what you and I think of Yoko; it's what JOHN thinks. What sense is there in people deciding for others whether their spouse was right for them, or not? John lost the big bully chip on his shoulder when he was with Yoko -- he became more sensitive to women's rights -- became a prouder father -- more interested in peace... etc... Why didn't May Pang discourage John's rabid boozing during his self-titled "Lost Weekend"? She reveled in the partying and night life. (Oh, that's right -- she was May, not Yoko )
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 3, 2013 6:43:19 GMT -5
I don't see anyone here saying they agree with Yoko being "hated" but we are just not surprised that she is #1 on a list from all the grief she took, -- And I never said that anyone "here" was saying they agreed with it. (Though I'm sure some do, if asked directly ... which is their right; I was only pointing out why Beatle Fans feel that way). But I also asked: "Gee, do ya think?" in regard to Yoko ranking #1 based on her history... and this is because you're right, it surprises absolutely no one.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 3, 2013 6:47:23 GMT -5
Olivia Harrison was apparently a good wife and pleasant enough. But what's with her laziness on releasing much of her late husband's works?
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Post by mikev on Dec 3, 2013 8:56:44 GMT -5
More improved...heroin addiction??? "take a bite...taste like chicken...said Eve to Adam"... And... BING! Right on the money! Ha Ha! Yes, I was waiting for someone to typically whip out the ol' 'ace in the pocket'! John Lennon experimented with everything, and even before he really hooked up with Yoko. There is no doubt in my mind he would have tried H as well, one way or the other. Secondly, so he passed through that phase and kicked it, and wrote COLD TURKEY about the experience. The bottom line here is not what you and I think of Yoko; it's what JOHN thinks. What sense is there in people deciding for others whether their spouse was right for them, or not? John lost the big bully chip on his shoulder when he was with Yoko -- he became more sensitive to women's rights -- became a prouder father -- more interested in peace... etc... Why didn't May Pang discourage John's rabid boozing during his self-titled "Lost Weekend"? She reveled in the partying and night life. (Oh, that's right -- she was May, not Yoko ) I gave kudos to John and Yoko part two-post lost weekend. May Pang has nothing to do with this.
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 3, 2013 12:14:01 GMT -5
More improved...heroin addiction??? "take a bite...taste like chicken...said Eve to Adam"... And... BING! Right on the money! Ha Ha! Yes, I was waiting for someone to typically whip out the ol' 'ace in the pocket'! John Lennon experimented with everything, and even before he really hooked up with Yoko. There is no doubt in my mind he would have tried H as well, one way or the other. Secondly, so he passed through that phase and kicked it, and wrote COLD TURKEY about the experience. The bottom line here is not what you and I think of Yoko; it's what JOHN thinks. What sense is there in people deciding for others whether their spouse was right for them, or not? John lost the big bully chip on his shoulder when he was with Yoko -- he became more sensitive to women's rights -- became a prouder father -- more interested in peace... etc... Why didn't May Pang discourage John's rabid boozing during his self-titled "Lost Weekend"? She reveled in the partying and night life. (Oh, that's right -- she was May, not Yoko ) "John lost the big bully chip on his shoulder when he was with Yoko -- he became more sensitive to women's rights." He was certainly very sensitive to one woman he chose to bang in another room loud enough for Yoko to hear it along with all their other friends on election night in 1972 when Nixon won..... .
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 3, 2013 17:39:24 GMT -5
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 3, 2013 17:45:50 GMT -5
On the Yoko issue: I've never liked her personally. She isn't someone I would ever want for a friend or, god help me an employer. There's a long list of former employees who left Yoko with bitter feelings. I've always felt with celebrities in general, you can tell a lot more about them not so much by what they say when they're smiling at the cameras, but by how they treat the help. (By contrast, just about everyone who worked for John spoke highly of him afterwards and would have jumped at the chance to work for him again.)
But that's neither here nor there. Its obvious she was exactly what John Lennon needed for a wife and thats all that counts. Considering John's self-destructive personality Yoko probably saved him from being one more '60s rock star casualty. And besides offering all sorts of personal support to John, she saved him MILLIONS by working quite dilligently as his business manager, as well as extricating him out of at least a dozen serious lawsuits.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 3, 2013 18:13:09 GMT -5
He was certainly very sensitive to one woman he chose to bang in another room loud enough for Yoko to hear it along with all their other friends on election night in 1972 when Nixon won..... . So, one error and that negates the entire general principal? No, I don't think so -- nobody's perfect. John was likely drunk too, in addition to being devastated when Nixon won. He apologized profusely ever after for this, and wrote songs of his guilt and grief. Meanwhile, he abused way more women and cheated on his wife far more when he was with Cynthia.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 3, 2013 18:17:36 GMT -5
May Pang has nothing to do with this. I'll be the judge of that. It is a complete double standard. But people tend to like May, so they totally overlook and/or excuse the fact that she allowed John to be a wild drunkard, who even got thrown out of The Troubadour. (We all know that if it had been Yoko laughing and whooping it up on the West Coast with John, we'd never hear the end of what a so-and-so she was). Just admit that John was an experimenter and tried all drugs, and that it is likely he would have done heroin, with or without Yoko.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Dec 3, 2013 18:42:02 GMT -5
Wow, I didn't know about Hank Williams' wife, I want to read more on her. I would put Stella McCartney's skank girlfriend Gwyneth Paltrow in that list as she wants desperately a music career so she married Coldplay's frontman Chris Martin. The big scoop is that she has tired of him and has cheated on him. Maybe she can bump Nancy off and get Paul. Unlike Chris Martin, Paul has a history of putting his wife onstage with him! Linda would be in the list but she gets the sympathy factor. Us older fans remember all the jokes aimed at her as a musician and member of Wings. I am not saying I agree but I'd say that both Yoko and Linda were not well liked in the Rock world as a whole, Linda's passing softening the critics. Courtney Love should be the real #1. She is evil and just plain nasty. The real reason to hate Miss Audrey, as Hank used to call her on his radio shows, is that Audrey had zero musical talent. She sang with Hank's band on the air and she was dreadful. She made Yoko look like a musical genius.
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Post by scousette on Dec 3, 2013 19:18:42 GMT -5
So much bad reporting is in this article. For how many years did Louise receive that $24,000/annum? We don't know. It could be worth anywhere from half to almost a million dollars that she got from George. And George's will would have specified whether or not the payments were to have continued. The quotes from Louise are conjecture about whether George wanted her to continue receiving payments. I thought that George and Louise weren't on speaking terms because he hated the fact that she was making money off of him, and that Olivia convinced him to allow Louise to visit him on his deathbed. Don't bother me!
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Post by mikev on Dec 3, 2013 20:00:55 GMT -5
May Pang has nothing to do with this. I'll be the judge of that. It is a complete double standard. But people tend to like May, so they totally overlook and/or excuse the fact that she allowed John to be a wild drunkard, who even got thrown out of The Troubadour. (We all know that if it had been Yoko laughing and whooping it up on the West Coast with John, we'd never hear the end of what a so-and-so she was). Just admit that John was an experimenter and tried all drugs, and that it is likely he would have done heroin, with or without Yoko.
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 3, 2013 20:27:36 GMT -5
He was certainly very sensitive to one woman he chose to bang in another room loud enough for Yoko to hear it along with all their other friends on election night in 1972 when Nixon won..... . So, one error and that negates the entire general principal? No, I don't think so -- nobody's perfect. John was likely drunk too, in addition to being devastated when Nixon won. He apologized profusely ever after for this, and wrote songs of his guilt and grief. Meanwhile, he abused way more women and cheated on his wife far more when he was with Cynthia. Joe, you just pointed out yourself he did it often when he was married to Cynthia, so it was clearly more than just "one error" on his part. John was one of the greatest songwriters of the 20th Century and the leader of the greatest rock band of all time, but he clearly had a lot of questionable issues with women given how he treated both his wives. And he wrote bitterly of how his father abandoned him and his mother Julia, leaving him to be raised by his Aunt Mimi. Then what does he turn around and do to his own son Julian? Who rarely saw him during his Beatle touring days, and even less once he divorced Cynthia. "Like father like son." I admire John for his music, but not his personal life. Though I think had he lived past 40, he might have continued to make ammends for the way he sometimes treated Yoko in their early days, and especially, his first son. Off the drugs, he was finally maturing into manhood in the late 70's. So tragic that it was cut short.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 3, 2013 22:28:09 GMT -5
So much bad reporting is in this article. For how many years did Louise receive that $24,000/annum? We don't know. It could be worth anywhere from half to almost a million dollars that she got from George. And George's will would have specified whether or not the payments were to have continued. The quotes from Louise are conjecture about whether George wanted her to continue receiving payments. I thought that George and Louise weren't on speaking terms because he hated the fact that she was making money off of him, and that Olivia convinced him to allow Louise to visit him on his deathbed. Don't bother me!Louise Harrison is a fraud. F-her! There is something in the law called the "Dead Man's Statute" that protects estates from these fraudulent claims of verbal promises by a decedent from hucksters like Louise Harrison who claims George promised her the world. George had the estate planning he wanted and if it cut Louise off then it came from George. Louise would have had the greatest lawsuit in the world if Olivia ignored George's written estate planning. F-you a second time Louise! I met that scumbag Louise twice at Beatlefest and once for her crappy tribute band show and the first time at Beatlefest she admitted she hadn't spoken to George in years, the second time she told us that George had beat cancer with smooth sailing ahead(shows how much she knew)and the third time she took all the credit for the Beatles' amazing success in America in 1964. My jaw dropped how she said Brian Epstein was an idiot and it was Louise who saved the day by going around to the radio stations in early 1964. F-her thrice. I forgot how much I hate Louise Harrison until I read this article. And look at the readers' comments from those idiots slamming Olivia and Dhani, written by those scum, Beatles tribute band worshipping Branson Missouri Beatle fanboy jack-offs! F-Louise a fourth time. Private George was pissed at his sister from Louise first "tell all" album in 1964 on!
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 3, 2013 22:50:22 GMT -5
So much bad reporting is in this article. Fir how many years did Louise receive that $24,000/annum? We don't know. It could be worth anywhere from half to almost a million dollars that she got from George. And George's will would have specified whether or not the payments were to have continued. The quotes from Louise are conjecture about whether George wanted her to continue receiving payments. I thought that George and Louise weren't on speaking terms because he hated the fact that she was making money off of him, and that Olivia convinced him to allow Louise to visit him on his deathbed. Don't bother me! I must have the record for pissing off the most posters on this board. And the weird thing is, I'm not even trying to. I don't know anything about Louise or Olivia aside from what I read in the article. So I guess I shouldn't have made a flippant comment.
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Post by scousette on Dec 4, 2013 0:59:47 GMT -5
So much bad reporting is in this article. Fir how many years did Louise receive that $24,000/annum? We don't know. It could be worth anywhere from half to almost a million dollars that she got from George. And George's will would have specified whether or not the payments were to have continued. The quotes from Louise are conjecture about whether George wanted her to continue receiving payments. I thought that George and Louise weren't on speaking terms because he hated the fact that she was making money off of him, and that Olivia convinced him to allow Louise to visit him on his deathbed. Don't bother me! I must have the record for pissing off the most posters on this board. And the weird thing is, I'm not even trying to. I don't know anything about Louise or Olivia aside from what I read in the article. So I guess I shouldn't have made a flippant comment. Ace, no worries. Look, you got JSD riled up.
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