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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jul 28, 2014 12:15:26 GMT -5
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Post by ursamajor on Jul 28, 2014 16:24:29 GMT -5
Saw the ads on FB and the deluxe versions look amazing.
I can't wait for this.
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 28, 2014 17:39:08 GMT -5
Both of the links to amazon.com on Steve's page go to At the Speed of Sound.
Almost two months to wait, I'm going crazy.
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Post by kc on Jul 28, 2014 18:35:12 GMT -5
I'm glad to see these will finally arrive. I wonder what might come out next and when? Will they back-track and give us WWL and RRS, or continue on with LT and BTTE, or something completely different? Surely they have to release four of these albums per year, two every six months, to get the whole program completed in reasonable time (that is if the entire catalogue is to be addressed)?
I notice that the "standard editions" are now what previously was an intermediate 2CD offering. There are no 1CD true standard editions being issued. I was hoping for the re-instatement of the 2CD sets, so I am quite happy, but the casual buyer who likely just wants the lowest price album they can get their hands on might now be disinclined to purchase.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 29, 2014 12:03:34 GMT -5
Venus And Mars and Wings at The Speed Of Sound are certainly the highwater marks of Paul's solo commercial success but The JSD Postulate teaches us that these albums are the start of a false path for Paul, an artistic dead-end after the artistically liberating first four albums of M, R, WWL and RRS.
I will certainly buy the 2-CD sets of each but will not buy the deluxe boxes until PopMarket or amazon.com have them well below what they will start out at.
These are not bad albums at all but Paul let the critics and elitist Beatles fans force him back into his "Beatle Paul Box." It started with Paul putting Beatles images all over the official promo video for BOTR, a song so great(other than the synths) that it needed no tie-ins to the Beatles.
V&M was Paul tryng to reproduce SPLHCB and SOS was trying to replicate any number of Beatles albums with all band members getting lead vocals. What was special about the Beatles was not what was special about Wings.
To follow-up on KC's question, I call upon MPL to give us firm information on the re-issue dates of WWL and RRS. It is criminal that those have been skipped in this re-issue series!
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Post by markc on Jul 30, 2014 7:50:40 GMT -5
Maybe Paul is hesitant on WWL and RRS because he fears low sales or negative reception like the Harrisons seem to on DH and ET.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 30, 2014 10:50:05 GMT -5
Maybe Paul is hesitant on WWL and RRS because he fears low sales or negative reception like the Harrisons seem to on DH and ET. Bingo! It rather angers me that the Harrison Estate has not just finished George's catalog and given us remaastered DH and ET. As they now stand on those ancient CD releases, they are among the most sonically poor CDs I have ever listened to. Just suck it up Dhani and Olivia and re-issue DH and ET in a nice remastered or hell, even remixed, form so we have something sonically better than those late 1980's versions that make the listening experience even tougher.. Paul though is silly in such belief. WWL and RRS are wonderful.
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Post by markc on Jul 30, 2014 13:18:21 GMT -5
DH and ET could be issued in one package and include remixes or outtakes like the Dark Horse version sans flute plus George's 1992 This Guitar. Add some live stuff from 1974 and you've got a great package!
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 30, 2014 19:22:47 GMT -5
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Post by kc on Jul 31, 2014 1:40:25 GMT -5
Yep, that's right. Not confirmed of course.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 12, 2014 18:46:55 GMT -5
Both 2-disc sets are now down to $16.99 on amazon.com. They were $19.98. The deluxe book sets have dropped $3.00 as well to $76.99.
This is sort of odd for me. But with these archive releases, I have to have the books but I want the 2 disc sets too. I was able to skip the Band on the Run 2 disc set because I had the earlier 2 disc anniversary set.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 13, 2014 5:42:41 GMT -5
I want the hardcover books to this series, but I don't have much desire for CDs anymore and am now heavily into the Vinyl. So I don't know which way to go with these releases anymore. I still have only the RAM Vinyl, and have never bought the box -- just too damned expensive.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 13, 2014 9:43:53 GMT -5
I want Wings Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway and am furious that Paul has ignored them like butt-ugly step-children!
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Post by vectisfabber on Aug 13, 2014 14:23:28 GMT -5
I want Wings Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway and am furious that Paul has ignored them like the butt-ugly step-children they are! Fixed it for you!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 13, 2014 14:36:43 GMT -5
I want Wings Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway and am furious that Paul has ignored them like butt-ugly step-children! I want WILD LIFE very much (I don't care so much about RRS) but it's obvious that Paul seems to be focusing solely on his more "fan-friendly" titles first (with the puzzling exception of MACCA II, which I can only presume was issued to be brother to the popular MACCA I). I think Paul is shooting his whole load all at one time here. What will be the next commercially popular album(s) after these two? I'm guessing LONDON TOWN for sure -- but what then? Perhaps TUG OF WAR?
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 13, 2014 22:28:04 GMT -5
I want Wings Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway and am furious that Paul has ignored them like the butt-ugly step-children they are! Fixed it for you! Not nice vectis! I like things orderly so why is Paul jumping all over the place except, as Joe surmised, he is going with the big 1970's sellers but even then RRS should be considered. It was a #1 album on Billboard 200 I believe with a #1 single, vectis' beloved "My Love."
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Post by vectisfabber on Aug 14, 2014 3:29:37 GMT -5
a #1 single, vectis' beloved "My Love." Or "glutinous mawkish drivel" as I like to call it.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 14, 2014 5:40:27 GMT -5
a #1 single, vectis' beloved "My Love." Or "glutinous mawkish drivel" as I like to call it. You've got to be kidding, vectis. I know there is no way to prove it for sure, but I'd bet that if The Beatles had not disbanded and "My Love" had been a typical McCartney Beatles ballad in 1973, you would be championing it. "My Love" is a fine song, and could very easily have been a Beatles song (except that George couldn't have mastered as wonderful a guitar solo here ) .
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 14, 2014 18:07:14 GMT -5
When I first heard My Love, I thought it WAS an old Beatle song I hadn't heard. The vocals certainly didn't sound like Let It Be/McCartney, RAM or Wings' Wild Life Paul. It was more reminiscent of Rubber Soul / Revolver era Paul. It doesn't quite hold up to that period, but I thought that was why I hadn't heard it.
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Post by vectisfabber on Aug 15, 2014 4:05:25 GMT -5
Or "glutinous mawkish drivel" as I like to call it. You've got to be kidding, vectis. I know there is no way to prove it for sure, but I'd bet that if The Beatles had not disbanded and "My Love" had been a typical McCartney Beatles ballad in 1973, you would be championing it. "My Love" is a fine song, and could very easily have been a Beatles song (except that George couldn't have mastered as wonderful a guitar solo here ) . I am quite sure I would have preferred a Beatles version, although they could make the occasional mistake with this sort of stuff (LAWR, where Spector's overblown production turned an intimate poignant song into scenery-chewing hysteria. My Love is melodically gauche and lyrically trite, and boasts a killer guitar solo. George's would have been different and, given enough time to work it out, just as good.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 15, 2014 5:59:57 GMT -5
I am quite sure I would have preferred a Beatles version, although they could make the occasional mistake with this sort of stuff (LAWR, where Spector's overblown production turned an intimate poignant song into scenery-chewing hysteria. My Love is melodically gauche and lyrically trite, and boasts a killer guitar solo. George's would have been different and, given enough time to work it out, just as good. Off the top of my head I am hard pressed to come up with a George Harrison guitar solo during his time with The Beatles that is as fine as the one in MY LOVE. But as much as I love ya, vectis, I think your unconditional preference is typical of "Beatles Bias". Another thing that makes MY LOVE what it is, is Linda's "ooh's"... the feminine touch. This is just another example where something from the solo catalogue works well all on its own. Paul wrote songs in the Beatles that were melodically gauche and lyrically trite (which I'm thinking you would never concede as such, unless they had been solo releases ).
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 27, 2014 13:44:16 GMT -5
Aha! As reported by Steve Marinucci today, these two McCartney re-issues have been pushed back to November! The Macca Camp is citing the generic sounding excuse of "production issues" but I suspect that my fellow advocates of The JSD Postulate have protested loud enough about Paul skipping WWL and RRS that MPL is shaken up! Steve's article announcing the delay: www.examiner.com/article/paul-mccartney-delays-release-of-latest-reissues-until-november?CID=examiner_alerts_articleOther factors could be: 1. Cash in on the Christmas shopping season; 2. Avoid strong September competition of other classic rock catalogs being re-issued. As MPL takes this pause, I call upon Sir Paul to re-consider the order of re-issues and to get serious about giving us WWL and RRS!
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Post by mikev on Aug 27, 2014 14:32:01 GMT -5
Aha! As reported by Steve Marinucci today, these two McCartney re-issues have been pushed back to November! The Macca Camp is citing the generic sounding excuse of "production issues" but I suspect that my fellow advocates of The JSD Postulate have protested loud enough about Paul skipping WWL and RRS that MPL is shaken up! Steve's article announcing the delay: www.examiner.com/article/paul-mccartney-delays-release-of-latest-reissues-until-november?CID=examiner_alerts_articleOther factors could be: 1. Cash in on the Christmas shopping season; 2. Avoid strong September competition of other classic rock catalogs being re-issued. As MPL takes this pause, I call upon Sir Paul to re-consider the order of re-issues and to get serious about giving us WWL and RRS! or perhaps...."big gulp"....Let it Be DVD? B-|yeah right
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 27, 2014 20:17:03 GMT -5
or perhaps...."big gulp"....Let it Be DVD? B-|yeah right No. We've got global warming not global hell freezing over. Steve doesn't mention it, but I've read that the delay gave more room for George's Apple Box release. But I haven't seen anything official on the release. It's already almost September. That's not a lot of notice for a September 22 release.
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Post by kc on Aug 27, 2014 22:27:11 GMT -5
It's disappointing about the delay. I thought I would have these two reissues in my hands in a few weeks. I'm a bit sceptical about the production issues explanation, but it could be genuine. I think the Beatles mono box is due in September, isn't it? Also possibly the Harrison box and even another Dylan Bootleg Series set. Then it has been reported a McCartney single associated with the Destiny game will come the same month. Possibly a full soundtrack album from the game might materialise in addition. Put all of this together and it seems more credible the delay is about marketing concerns.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 28, 2014 15:36:44 GMT -5
It's disappointing about the delay. I thought I would have these two reissues in my hands in a few weeks. I'm a bit sceptical about the production issues explanation, but it could be genuine. I think the Beatles mono box is due in September, isn't it? Also possibly the Harrison box and even another Dylan Bootleg Series set. Then it has been reported a McCartney single associated with the Destiny game will come the same month. Possibly a full soundtrack album from the game might materialise in addition. Put all of this together and it seems more credible the delay is about marketing concerns. I agree, marketing concerns and the wrath of Postulate People like myself are why these albums have been delayed. I think the Dylan Bootleg Series is Blood On The Tracks and that would blow Paul's two albums out of the water sales-wise!
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 28, 2014 15:43:25 GMT -5
I agree, marketing concerns and the wrath of Postulate People like myself are why these albums have been delayed. I think the Dylan Bootleg Series is Blood On The Tracks and that would blow Paul's two albums out of the water sales-wise! I stand corrected, the new Dylan Bootleg Series is The Basement Tapes Complete, six CDs, or The Basement Tapes Raw, the two CD version! Whatever, those will still sell way more than V&M and WATSOS.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 28, 2014 17:17:13 GMT -5
I stand corrected, the new Dylan Bootleg Series is The Basement Tapes Complete, six CDs, or The Basement Tapes Raw, the two CD version! Whatever, those will still sell way more than V&M and WATSOS. Not sure why the Archives of WATSOS and V&M should sell a lot? Paul McCartney is still only 1/4 of The Beatles in most people's minds; Dylan is and always was 100% Bob Dylan . If it was a "Beatles Archives" type of re-issue with new bonus tracks, I'd bet Dylan would have more of a challenge. Also not sure why it matters, as Paul intends to put all his albums out in this series anyway.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 28, 2014 23:27:17 GMT -5
Also not sure why it matters, as Paul intends to put all his albums out in this series anyway. I pray we get to WWL and RRS but I am afraid this re-issue series will peter out due to the utter and complete apathy towards the handful of earlier re-issues of Macca's solo albums.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 5:30:14 GMT -5
If Paul had've been really serious about these re-releases he would have given the job to RTP, then we would've had something to talk about.
I'm part way through re listening to Paul's entire solo catalog, this time around there seems to be more dross than i ever remember. For someone of his standing he too often settled for amateur rather than being professional and reworking the initial attempt, most likely he's lazy or he got caught up in his own infamy.
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