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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 16, 2014 7:23:55 GMT -5
It's official -- Ringo Starr will be inducted into the RNRHOF as a solo artist. The ceremonies take place on April 18th, 2015.
I'm even more excited that Joan Jett will finally get inducted the same evening!
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Post by coachbk on Dec 16, 2014 9:57:05 GMT -5
Great to hear about both of those inductees.
Are the Moody Blues getting in?
They are the most deserving group not yet inducted in my opinion.
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Post by mikev on Dec 16, 2014 10:00:09 GMT -5
It's official -- Ringo Starr will be inducted into the RNRHOF as a solo artist. The ceremonies take place on April 18th, 2015. I'm even more excited that Joan Jett will finally get inducted the same evening! Ringo is receiving an award. He is not an inductee-wasn't even on the "ballot". The article sure makes it sound like he is an inductee. Happy for Lou Reed and Joan. |
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Post by mikev on Dec 16, 2014 10:01:30 GMT -5
and Ringo sounds like he thinks he is getting inducted, all the more sad.
I hope I'm wrong though- he deserves in IMO.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Dec 16, 2014 11:38:17 GMT -5
It's official -- Ringo Starr will be inducted into the RNRHOF as a solo artist. The ceremonies take place on April 18th, 2015. I'm even more excited that Joan Jett will finally get inducted the same evening! Ringo is receiving an award. He is not an inductee-wasn't even on the "ballot". The article sure makes it sound like he is an inductee. Happy for Lou Reed and Joan. No, he's being inducted, as was Brian Epstein last year. |
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Post by sallyg on Dec 16, 2014 11:56:11 GMT -5
Congratulations Ringo! About time he's being recognized. Happy for him.  |
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Post by mikev on Dec 16, 2014 15:50:24 GMT -5
Ringo is receiving an award. He is not an inductee-wasn't even on the "ballot". The article sure makes it sound like he is an inductee. Happy for Lou Reed and Joan. No, he's being inducted, as was Brian Epstein last year. I don't recall him being on the candidate list. |
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Post by sayne on Dec 16, 2014 23:46:49 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a weird distinction. I don't know if he's actually IN the Hall of Fame, but rather being recognized as a major talent. I really don't know how the Hall classifies it. Is it a recognition, rather than an induction? Is it seen as equal as the honor Joan Jett, Bill Withers, Green Day, and the others are getting? Is it like and MBE or OBE compared to a knighthood? My sense is that it is not equal since he was not on the ballot.
I've never been to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, so I don't know if there are busts, like at the Cooperstown. If there is a room with busts or photos and he will be in there, then I guess it will be the same. But, if there are busts, but he has a plaque with a photo or something different, then I guess it would not be the same.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 17, 2014 0:01:14 GMT -5
I don't think he's being inducted as a solo artist but as Mike says, Ringo is putting that spin on it. Look what ROLLING STONE writes: www.rollingstone.com/music/news/green-day-lou-reed-joan-jett-ringo-starr-lead-2015-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-20141216Ringo is getting "the Award For Musical Excellence." What the hell is that but even RS's headline makes it sounds like he was inducted. I think this is disrespectful and an outright insult if it is not a full blown induction as a solo artist! I call upon the RRHF to explain this so-called "Award For Musical Excellence!" Is Ringo inducted or not as a solo artist?! |
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Post by mikev on Dec 17, 2014 0:13:30 GMT -5
I don't think he's being inducted as a solo artist but as Mike says, Ringo is putting that spin on it. Look what ROLLING STONE writes: www.rollingstone.com/music/news/green-day-lou-reed-joan-jett-ringo-starr-lead-2015-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-20141216Ringo is getting "the Award For Musical Excellence." What the hell is that but even RS's headline makes it sounds like he was inducted. I think this is disrespectful and an outright insult if it is not a full blown induction as a solo artist! I call upon the RRHF to explain this so-called "Award For Musical Excellence!" Is Ringo inducted or not as a solo artist?! I guess since it is really an elite selection group and not like "real" Halls of Fame (for example baseball, where there are set rules and standards), they can do whatever they want "Yeah sure, we'll 'induct' him". |
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Dec 17, 2014 1:28:51 GMT -5
I don't think he's being inducted as a solo artist but as Mike says, Ringo is putting that spin on it. Look what ROLLING STONE writes: www.rollingstone.com/music/news/green-day-lou-reed-joan-jett-ringo-starr-lead-2015-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-20141216Ringo is getting "the Award For Musical Excellence." What the hell is that but even RS's headline makes it sounds like he was inducted. I think this is disrespectful and an outright insult if it is not a full blown induction as a solo artist! I call upon the RRHF to explain this so-called "Award For Musical Excellence!" Is Ringo inducted or not as a solo artist?! I guess since it is really an elite selection group and not like "real" Halls of Fame (for example baseball, where there are set rules and standards), they can do whatever they want "Yeah sure, we'll 'induct' him". Yeah, I saw a couple of people getting real crazy on FB about this stuff today. You nailed it, though, Mike. It' aint' a real Hall of Fame. He's in, though. Enjoy it. |
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Dec 17, 2014 1:29:28 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a weird distinction. I don't know if he's actually IN the Hall of Fame, but rather being recognized as a major talent. I really don't know how the Hall classifies it. Is it a recognition, rather than an induction? Is it seen as equal as the honor Joan Jett, Bill Withers, Green Day, and the others are getting? Is it like and MBE or OBE compared to a knighthood? My sense is that it is not equal since he was not on the ballot. I've never been to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, so I don't know if there are busts, like at the Cooperstown. If there is a room with busts or photos and he will be in there, then I guess it will be the same. But, if there are busts, but he has a plaque with a photo or something different, then I guess it would not be the same. He is in. It's the same kind of award given to Brian Epstein. |
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Post by sayne on Dec 17, 2014 2:04:51 GMT -5
Maybe it's like an honorary degree or an honorary Oscar. You know, like you can use the title "Doctor" or you actually do get a statuette, so that makes it real, but . . .
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 17, 2014 7:26:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw a couple of people getting real crazy on FB about this stuff today. Steve, add me to the list of protestors! Ringo wasn't on the ballot and this is what they give to old guys they think are going to die soon. "No induction, no peace" is my new slogan and I am hitting the streets with like-minded Beatles fans!  |
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Post by mikev on Dec 17, 2014 7:42:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw a couple of people getting real crazy on FB about this stuff today. Steve, add me to the list of protestors! Ringo wasn't on the ballot and this is what they give to old guys they think are going to die soon. "No induction, no peace" is my new slogan and I am hitting the streets with like-minded Beatles fans! As Steve said, it got a little crazy on facebook and at Hoffman, but if you read through the rants, there are some explanations. Ringo is getting inducted. Basically, it is the old "sideman" award, I guess somewhat equivalent to the Veteran Committee on baseball's Hall of Fame. Maybe next year they can have a new category for the Pinocchio Award: "fictional bands that became a real band"  |
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 17, 2014 11:21:26 GMT -5
Steve, add me to the list of protestors! Ringo wasn't on the ballot and this is what they give to old guys they think are going to die soon. "No induction, no peace" is my new slogan and I am hitting the streets with like-minded Beatles fans! As Steve said, it got a little crazy on facebook and at Hoffman, but if you read through the rants, there are some explanations. Ringo is getting inducted. Basically, it is the old "sideman" award, I guess somewhat equivalent to the Veteran Committee on baseball's Hall of Fame. Maybe next year they can have a new category for the Pinocchio Award: "fictional bands that became a real band" I am half wrong, half right. Ringo is being inducted into the RRHF but in a category different than John, Paul and George and different from Lou Reed, Joan Jett, Green Day and most of the other current inductees: Per the RRHF: Ringo Starr Induction category: The Award for Musical Excellence John Lennon: Induction category: Performer Paul McCartney: Induction category: Performer George Harrison: Induction category: Performer Ringo is indeed "inducted" but it is some second-tier, sentimental category in my humble opinion. My new street chant: "No induction as a performer for Ringo, no peace!" But hey, it is better than what The Monkees have earned thus far....zilch! |
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Post by mikev on Dec 17, 2014 15:47:05 GMT -5
As Steve said, it got a little crazy on facebook and at Hoffman, but if you read through the rants, there are some explanations. Ringo is getting inducted. Basically, it is the old "sideman" award, I guess somewhat equivalent to the Veteran Committee on baseball's Hall of Fame. Maybe next year they can have a new category for the Pinocchio Award: "fictional bands that became a real band" I am half wrong, half right. Ringo is being inducted into the RRHF but in a category different than John, Paul and George and different from Lou Reed, Joan Jett, Green Day and most of the other current inductees: Per the RRHF: Ringo Starr Induction category: The Award for Musical Excellence John Lennon: Induction category: Performer Paul McCartney: Induction category: Performer George Harrison: Induction category: Performer Ringo is indeed "inducted" but it is some second-tier, sentimental category in my humble opinion. My new street chant: "No induction as a performer for Ringo, no peace!" But hey, it is better than what The Monkees have earned thus far....zilch! Exactomundo...like kissin' your cousin... |
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 17, 2014 19:37:24 GMT -5
Good grief! Steve Marinucci writes in Examiner today that Paul is now taking credit for getting Ringo inducted into the RRHF, albeit not as a "Performer"(as is John, Paul and George) but as something called "The Award for Musical Excellence."  www.examiner.com/article/exclusive-paul-mccartney-helped-to-get-ringo-starr-into-rock-hall-of-fame?CID=examiner_alerts_articleFirst off, we know Paul likes to take credit for everything Beatles so I don't know if I buy it especially as Paul doesn't have much pull with the RRHF as he pissed it off by boycotting the Beatles' induction in 1988 thus the Hall getting revenge by delaying Paul's solo induction as a "Performer" until 1999 when John got in clear back in 1994! Second, even if Macca can take credit, way to go Paul, getting Ringo some half-assed induction category called "The Award for Musical Excellence."  What did you do Paul, make Stella your pointman on getting Ringo into the RRHF!? They love her what with her "It's About F_ck_ng Time" tee-shirt! By God there will be mobs smashing the windows at that elitist RRHF palace in Cleveland if I have any say! No one disses Ringo like that on our watch! |
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Post by sayne on Dec 17, 2014 22:11:59 GMT -5
Induction category: The Award for Musical Excellence I thought everyone was in there for musical excellence. |
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 17, 2014 22:14:23 GMT -5
So Paul announces he will go to Cleveland next April to attend Ringo's induction onto HOF.
Too bad he didn't feel that way when The Beatles were inducted. Yoko, Sean, Julian, George, and Ringo all attended. But Paul, using his lawsuit excuse, refused to attend.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 17, 2014 23:38:52 GMT -5
So Paul announces he will go to Cleveland next April to attend Ringo's induction onto HOF. Too bad he didn't feel that way when The Beatles were inducted. Yoko, Sean, Julian, George, and Ringo all attended. But Paul, using his lawsuit excuse, refused to attend. Exactly lowbasso! I have no doubt in my mind that that cost Paul getting in as a solo "Performer" until 1999 when John got in as a solo "Performer" way back in 1994! Poor George Harrison wasn't inducted as a solo "Performer" until after he had passed which was chickenshit by the RRHF! And now Ringo is given this chewed-on bone called "Award For Musical Excellence" which is so generic as to be meaningless. As Sayne noted, are not all of the inductees there for musical excellence? If this wasn't our dear Ringo this would be funny. If they gave this twee award to Davy Jones or Bobby Sherman I'd be laughing my ass off! But it is our Ringo and I am pissed! And Paul thinks this is great, that Ringo is getting an honor clearly under his, John and George's!  This would be like it was back in 1965 and old Queen Liz gave John, Paul and George an O.B.E. but gave poor old Ringo the M.B.E.! I call upon Ringo to reject this token offer and maintain his dignity! |
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 18, 2014 15:49:20 GMT -5
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Post by Panther on Dec 22, 2014 3:43:49 GMT -5
Hmm... let's think about this for a minute.
The 'Rock'n'roll Hall of Fame' is giving Ringo something, largely because Paul called and said they should (or at least, that's Paul's PR-spin on it). Ringo is obviously "in" already as a performer, as a Beatle.
Now, the question -- does Ringo deserve Hall of Fame (unfortunate name) based on records/shows under his own name? Answer: no way.
So, actually the Hall of Fame is probably doing about the right thing. They're giving Ringo some special credit, without lowering the standards (if there are any) for who gets in.
And yes, Jann Wenner is an idiot.
And yes, Paul was the all-time horse's ass for not attending in 1988. That was disgraceful (of course, Yoko took the low-road as well and got the boot in: "You know, John would have been here", etc.). George came out looking like a saintly fresh rose at that ceremony, and Paul came out looking like a 6-year-old having a tantrum.
Anyhoo, the 'Jann Wenner' Hall of Fame is a bit of a joke. Half the people inducted have nothing to do with rock'n'roll.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 22, 2014 7:54:07 GMT -5
Hmm... let's think about this for a minute. The 'Rock'n'roll Hall of Fame' is giving Ringo something, largely because Paul called and said they should (or at least, that's Paul's PR-spin on it). Ringo is obviously "in" already as a performer, as a Beatle. Now, the question -- does Ringo deserve Hall of Fame (unfortunate name) based on records/shows under his own name? Answer: no way. So, actually the Hall of Fame is probably doing about the right thing. They're giving Ringo some special credit, without lowering the standards (if there are any) for who gets in. And yes, Jann Wenner is an idiot. And yes, Paul was the all-time horse's ass for not attending in 1988. That was disgraceful (of course, Yoko took the low-road as well and got the boot in: "You know, John would have been here", etc.). George came out looking like a saintly fresh rose at that ceremony, and Paul came out looking like a 6-year-old having a tantrum. Anyhoo, the 'Jann Wenner' Hall of Fame is a bit of a joke. Half the people inducted have nothing to do with rock'n'roll. As you said, the HOF is a joke by now anyway, so I don't understand why people are still questioning who's in and why these days anymore (and I'm not just referring to you, as I see this everywhere). It's good that Ringo is in -- let us just enjoy it. I would make an argument though that Ringo had enough solo hits (more than some other acts already inducted, if we need to go that route). As for Yoko, I think she was bound to say "I'm sure John would be here" even if Paul McCartney had intended the HOF too. What else would anyone say if a deceased artist was being posthumously honored by his wife, or another person on his behalf? |
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 22, 2014 12:44:44 GMT -5
That's it!! I am trying even harder to get RRHF Induction tickets for the early 2015 Ceremony. If I can get two seats, I need someone from here to go with me but they must be prepared to engage in civil disobedience with me to make the point that Ringo deserves to be inducted as a "Performer" or not at all. You would have your own travel expenses and even if you don't wish to join my planned, disruptive protest, you would have to be available to bail me out of jail! Thast's what worries me, I think I'd be left to rot! Panther, while I think Joe and I could build a good argument for Ringo's induction as a solo performer, I well take your disagreement but my bigger point is, don't tease, humor, mock, console, embarrass Richard Starkey II, M.B.E., with some induction in a made-up, bogus, feel-sorry for, category!! Either he is good enough to get in as a solo "Performer" or he is not! Don't trifle with one of just our two surviving Beatles! |
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Post by scousette on Dec 22, 2014 18:02:33 GMT -5
The E Street Band got the Award for Musical Excellence last year. www.rockhall.com/inductees/byyear/2014/Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Award for Musical Excellence
This award honors musicians, songwriters and producers who have spent their life creating important and memorable music. Their originality, impact and influence have changed the course of music history. These artists have achieved the highest level of distinction that transcends time.
Brian Epstein got the Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement. Ahmet Ertegun Award
Songwriters, producers, disc jockeys, record executives, journalists and other industry professionals who have had a major influence on the development of rock and roll. (Please note that in 2011, the Ahmet Ertegun Award has replaced the Non Performer category.)
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Post by Panther on Dec 23, 2014 19:24:48 GMT -5
I just don't see how Ringo (post-Beatles) merits induction as a performer:
- Eight top-20 singles in the USA (in just three years); Four in the UK
- Two top-20 US albums in the USA and the UK (one UK one being a collection of orchestrated show-tunes)
- ZERO significant hits from 1976 to 2014
So, his career legacy as a record-seller rests entirely on the years 1970 to 1975. In fact, if you take out the years 1973 and 1974, he basically sold nothing of note.
More importantly that pop hits, however: did Ringo ever do anything exciting, new, genre-establishing? Did he push people into new directions? Was he considered a leading figure in the industry, or among his peers? You know the answer to all these questions...
Further: During his salad period of 1971 to 1975, he didn't play live at all. So, putting him in the Hall as a "performer" is really a stretch, however you approach it.
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Post by sayne on Dec 23, 2014 20:02:20 GMT -5
I just don't see how Ringo (post-Beatles) merits induction as a performer: - Eight top-20 singles in the USA (in just three years); Four in the UK - Two top-20 US albums in the USA and the UK (one UK one being a collection of orchestrated show-tunes) - ZERO significant hits from 1976 to 2014 So, his career legacy as a record-seller rests entirely on the years 1970 to 1975. In fact, if you take out the years 1973 and 1974, he basically sold nothing of note. More importantly that pop hits, however: did Ringo ever do anything exciting, new, genre-establishing? Did he push people into new directions? Was he considered a leading figure in the industry, or among his peers? You know the answer to all these questions... Further: During his salad period of 1971 to 1975, he didn't play live at all. So, putting him in the Hall as a "performer" is really a stretch, however you approach it. Well, since you put it that way, can't say Lou Reed (as a solo artist) did much more. Most of his influence was with the Velvet Underground, I think. Yes, he did some innovative stuff, but can't say it was really more influential than what he already got credit for in the VU. Ringo got in for being in the Beatles. I'm thinking that he deserves to be in now in order to recognize him as one of the premier influential drummers. Yes, Moon, Bonham, Peart, Watts, Baker, et al, are influential, but what have they done solo - other than niche records likes Watt's and Baker's stuff? Ringo for 44 years has been out there doing stuff - original material, to boot. If Ringo had never done anything since 1970 or was occasionally carted out for "Merv Griffin" moments only, I'd say no way should he be in the Hall. But, he's out there taking his swings. If he was only known for being a Beatle, I'd say no way, too. I think that he is known for his drumming, not just being a Beatle, and he's very respected for it. Thus, I'm okay with his "musical excellence" recognition. My gosh, as a solo artist he's outlived punk, new wave, hair bands, grunge, rebirth of boy bands, and he's still going. He's done more that Robert Plant or Pete Townshend or the Beach Boys or Roger Waters He's doing more than Blondie, Johnny Lydon, the B52s . . . |
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 23, 2014 20:22:48 GMT -5
I just don't see how Ringo (post-Beatles) merits induction as a performer: - Eight top-20 singles in the USA (in just three years); Four in the UK - Two top-20 US albums in the USA and the UK (one UK one being a collection of orchestrated show-tunes) - ZERO significant hits from 1976 to 2014 So, his career legacy as a record-seller rests entirely on the years 1970 to 1975. In fact, if you take out the years 1973 and 1974, he basically sold nothing of note. More importantly that pop hits, however: did Ringo ever do anything exciting, new, genre-establishing? Did he push people into new directions? Was he considered a leading figure in the industry, or among his peers? You know the answer to all these questions... Further: During his salad period of 1971 to 1975, he didn't play live at all. So, putting him in the Hall as a "performer" is really a stretch, however you approach it. Well, since you put it that way, can't say Lou Reed (as a solo artist) did much more. Most of his influence was with the Velvet Underground, I think. Yes, he did some innovative stuff, but can't say it was really more influential than what he already got credit for in the VU. Ringo got in for being in the Beatles. I'm thinking that he deserves to be in now in order to recognize him as one of the premier influential drummers. Yes, Moon, Bonham, Peart, Watts, Baker, et al, are influential, but what have they done solo - other than niche records likes Watt's and Baker's stuff? Ringo for 44 years has been out there doing stuff - original material, to boot. If Ringo had never done anything since 1970 or was occasionally carted out for "Merv Griffin" moments only, I'd say no way should he be in the Hall. But, he's out there taking his swings. If he was only known for being a Beatle, I'd say no way, too. I think that he is known for his drumming, not just being a Beatle, and he's very respected for it. Thus, I'm okay with his "musical excellence" recognition. My gosh, as a solo artist he's outlived punk, new wave, hair bands, grunge, rebirth of boy bands, and he's still going. He's done more that Robert Plant or Pete Townshend or the Beach Boys or Roger Waters He's doing more than Blondie, Johnny Lydon, the B52s . . . I've got more Ringo albums than albums by any of these guys. Well, I might have more Beach Boys. Nothing of theirs past the '60s though. |
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 23, 2014 20:34:19 GMT -5
I've got more Ringo albums than albums by any of these guys. Well, I might have more Beach Boys. Nothing of theirs past the '60s though. I added them up in iTunes: Lou Reed - 11 Beach Boys - 14 Ringo Starr - 17 |
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