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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jul 30, 2015 9:33:17 GMT -5
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 30, 2015 13:02:30 GMT -5
Still no link to the amazon pages for the deluxes? Your links still points to the old CDs. I'm interested to know what these bad boys will cost me.
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 30, 2015 13:08:49 GMT -5
Oh, yeah. Cool uncut Tug of War photo on your site. I may have to cut it up and use it for an alt cover. A lot of times, these deluxe reissues don't have covers for the ripped albums yet.
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 30, 2015 16:12:42 GMT -5
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Post by nine on Jul 31, 2015 0:44:48 GMT -5
I am disappointed that the remaining 1970s albums have been ignored in favour of TOW and POP.
I am particularly keen on hearing Wild Life, Speedway and Egg. I am not a huge fan of London Town.
If Macca continues to release a couple at a time I’d imagine they’d come out like this…
Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway London Town and Back to the Egg Broad Street and Press to Play Flowers in the Dirt and Off the Ground
I can’t imagine why anything beyond and including Flaming Pie would need to be re-mastered or re-mixed or fiddled with.
I am still hoping for a box set of rarities but I guess this wouldn’t come till after the re-issues in which case Paul would be well into his 80s!
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Post by kc on Jul 31, 2015 7:47:55 GMT -5
What surprises me is that the basic 2 CD edition of TOW features the re-mixed album, rather than the original mix. I'm not sure I like that. If I just want a remastered album, I have to buy one of the deluxe sets to get it.
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 31, 2015 8:41:09 GMT -5
Tug of War was mixed digitally at the time it was recorded. So you already have a digital mix from the master recording. There is no way to improve it, short of doing a remix. And that's not "improving" as much as just trying to make it sound good by today's standards.
I wouldn't mind having the original disc in a shiny new digipak. But it sounds like they want the new mix to replace the old mix.
If you listen to the video ads for it, Here Today sounds very different. Don't give away your original CD.
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 31, 2015 8:59:50 GMT -5
I think I messed up. I ordered it from KR Archive Collection. The ad from the regular Deluxe package has Disc 1 - Remixed Album and Disc 2 - Bonus Audio. It doesn't mention that the 3rd and 4th disc contain the original and the DVD. In a moment of low mental activity, I thought I had to order the limited edition 1000 copy Super Deluxe to get all four discs. I paid $80 more for a slipcase and 5 8X10 photos.
The Super Deluxe sounds more like something a collector would buy and keep unopened. I'm sorry, but I'm tearing into my copy. I guess that will make the unopened ones more rare. But knowing the way things are, if they all sell, they'll make more anyway.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 31, 2015 13:04:37 GMT -5
I am disappointed that the remaining 1970s albums have been ignored in favour of TOW and POP. I am particularly keen on hearing Wild Life, Speedway and Egg. I am not a huge fan of London Town. If Macca continues to release a couple at a time I’d imagine they’d come out like this… Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway London Town and Back to the Egg Broad Street and Press to Play Flowers in the Dirt and Off the Ground I can’t imagine why anything beyond and including Flaming Pie would need to be re-mastered or re-mixed or fiddled with. I am still hoping for a box set of rarities but I guess this wouldn’t come till after the re-issues in which case Paul would be well into his 80s! Right on Nine! I call upon Sir James Paul McCartney to clarify his intentions as to Wings Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway! We fans want them now, especially disciples of The JSD Postulate. In the meantime, I am slowly getting pumped for TOW and POP. I am growing what's left of my hair to try and reconstruct my 1982/1983 look of my hair feathered down the middle! I was so inspired in the early 1980's by Paul McCartney and Steve Alford, our shooting Guard at Indiana University: Awesome Paul with parted hair down the middle. Awesome 1983 Steve Alford hair at Indiana University! I want to look just like I did in 1982-1983 for the re-issue of these albums but I am afraid I'll look more like Clint Howard:
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Post by kc on Jul 31, 2015 19:13:12 GMT -5
I am disappointed that the remaining 1970s albums have been ignored in favour of TOW and POP. I am particularly keen on hearing Wild Life, Speedway and Egg. I am not a huge fan of London Town. If Macca continues to release a couple at a time I’d imagine they’d come out like this… Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway London Town and Back to the Egg Broad Street and Press to Play Flowers in the Dirt and Off the Ground I can’t imagine why anything beyond and including Flaming Pie would need to be re-mastered or re-mixed or fiddled with. I am still hoping for a box set of rarities but I guess this wouldn’t come till after the re-issues in which case Paul would be well into his 80s! The truth is that we don’t really know what order the subsequent releases will come out in, or the final extent of the Archive Collection project. If my memory serves me correctly, the original press release for this series suggested that Paul’s entire catalogue to that point would be addressed. That does not mean that plan is still in place though. I would be perfectly happy if your personal schedule turned out to be right, but it is far from certain. If WL/RRS are issued next that would be a step towards re-aligning the re-issuing to a sensible chronological order. And JSD would be put out of his misery; that would be the kind thing to do. On the other hand, I disagree with you about not going “beyond and including Flaming Pie.” That album and others which followed had numerous associated non-album tracks placed on singles. I would like to see them collected as on the bonus audio discs of the present Archive Collection sets. Also, audiophiles are almost uniformly critical of the recording quality (or lack of, due to excessive compression) of Memory Almost Full. I’d definitely like to see that addressed at some time. I note that the basic version of these Archive Collection albums has now become the 2 CD edition. That is, there is no longer the option of just buying a 1 CD (original album only) set. I suspect the reason is that the earlier ones did not sell?
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Post by kc on Jul 31, 2015 19:50:43 GMT -5
Tug of War was mixed digitally at the time it was recorded. So you already have a digital mix from the master recording. There is no way to improve it, short of doing a remix. And that's not "improving" as much as just trying to make it sound good by today's standards. I wouldn't mind having the original disc in a shiny new digipak. But it sounds like they want the new mix to replace the old mix. If you listen to the video ads for it, Here Today sounds very different. Don't give away your original CD. I’m no recording expert, so this does not add up to me. Tug Of War was recorded analogue, wasn’t it? The 1993 re-issue was remastered (but not remixed), so why can’t that be done in 2015? Has the original mix disc included in the deluxe and super deluxe editions of the forthcoming Archive Collection been remastered, or is it the same mastering as used in 1993, or even previous to that? I agree with you about suspecting the powers that be (Paul) seems to want this new mix to replace the old. Who knows, he might be right, but I get a bit uncomfortable about that sort of thing. I like historical accuracy. So, yes, I will definitely be keeping my original CD. I would have no problem if the original mix and the remix were both offered on the standard edition of these new sets.
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 31, 2015 20:03:42 GMT -5
I've been buying the box/books and the two disc sets. I didn't buy the two disc sets for Band on the Run (I already had bought the 25th anniversary set) or McCartney II. I was going to go ahead and pick it up if I had any saved funds left over from the current release. But alas, I busted. I went over in my savings. I had to borrow money I had saved for the boxed Let it Be Super-duper Deluxe set.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 1, 2015 12:17:03 GMT -5
Here is the video for deluxe TOW:
And for deluxe POP:
They look very cool! I can't wait to hear remixed TOW!
Mind you, I haven't forgotten the amazing Wings Wild Life or the hauntingly majestic Red Rose Speedway!
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Post by nine on Aug 2, 2015 5:33:26 GMT -5
Not being and audiophile and having a pretty ordinary player I was never aware of Memory being lacking. I assumed that anything in the digital age was fine. I don't think that the re-issues should stop with Dirt or Ground or Pie... but they should be left to the final run. I too would like the songs gathered up from their time even if they are from more recent times... One of my favourite Paul b-sides is from the Pie era, Looking For You, but finish the 70s first I reckon. I'd have liked this re-issue thing to be comprehensive but as someone has pointed out the instrumental of Give Ireland Back to the Irish was missing. Many of Paul's b-sides from Pipes of Peace onward are rubbish IMO. Those I wouldn't mind going astray but the 70s stuff... I ramble. Sorry...
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 24, 2015 19:01:59 GMT -5
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Post by kc on Aug 24, 2015 20:11:19 GMT -5
Thanks debjorgo, I've downloaded it. It's strange that these website download only songs are not on the bonus audio discs for the Archive Series releases. I'm happy that they include more material than on the 1993 remasters, but it seems that they could have been even better.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 25, 2015 6:33:10 GMT -5
Tug of War was mixed digitally at the time it was recorded. So you already have a digital mix from the master recording. There is no way to improve it, short of doing a remix. And that's not "improving" as much as just trying to make it sound good by today's standards. I wouldn't mind having the original disc in a shiny new digipak. But it sounds like they want the new mix to replace the old mix. If you listen to the video ads for it, Here Today sounds very different. Don't give away your original CD. I’m no recording expert, so this does not add up to me. Tug Of War was recorded analogue, wasn’t it? The 1993 re-issue was remastered (but not remixed), so why can’t that be done in 2015? Has the original mix disc included in the deluxe and super deluxe editions of the forthcoming Archive Collection been remastered, or is it the same mastering as used in 1993, or even previous to that? I agree with you about suspecting the powers that be (Paul) seems to want this new mix to replace the old. Who knows, he might be right, but I get a bit uncomfortable about that sort of thing. I like historical accuracy. So, yes, I will definitely be keeping my original CD. I would have no problem if the original mix and the remix were both offered on the standard edition of these new sets. I just seen that I hadn't replied to this. My understanding, remasters are, in general, trying to get rid of the tape sound from the second generation master. This was mixed to digital already. The sound of the album master does not deteriorate when recorded digitally. The 1993 remaster should sound just like the 1982 version.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 25, 2015 6:44:10 GMT -5
Thanks debjorgo, I've downloaded it. It's strange that these website download only songs are not on the bonus audio discs for the Archive Series releases. I'm happy that they include more material than on the 1993 remasters, but it seems that they could have been even better. There is certainly room for more tracks. Someone on the wogblog page pointed out that Wingspan already had the Take it Away single version without the Tug of War fade-in.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 26, 2015 19:05:03 GMT -5
I thought that the "Take It Away" free download sounded really good on my crappy ProBook speakers.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 3, 2015 22:55:53 GMT -5
Hello! I got to this a couple of clicks away for Paul's official page.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 9:02:12 GMT -5
I've had 4 Paul albums on rotation in my car this week.
Tug of War and Pipes of Peace being 2 of them.
After multiple listens i have decided whilst they are both good albums POP is better than TOW.
Neither of them were the best of the 4 albums i listened to.
Flowers in the Dirt got that honour.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 11, 2015 17:03:37 GMT -5
coachbk Avatar Mar 31, 2012 at 9:20pm coachbk said: Here's a summary of how we voted. Totals are points (using a 10, 9, 8....1 system) followed by first place votes and then the total number of people who put it in the top 10: 1. BAND ON THE RUN 111 (8) 12 2. RAM 82 (2) 12 3. VENUS AND MARS 73 (0) 12 4. TUG OF WAR 71 (1) 12 5. FLAMING PIE 50 (0) 9 6. MCCARTNEY 49 (1) 7 7. CHAOS AND CREATION 46 (1) 7 8. ELECTRIC ARGUMENTS 44 (0) 7 9. FLOWERS IN THE DIRT 34 (0) 7 10. BACK TO THE EGG 32 (0) 6 11. WINGS OVER AMERICA 30 (0) 6 12. MEMORY ALMOST FULL 24 (0) 7 12. LONDON TOWN 24 (0) 7 14. PRESS TO PLAY 22 (0) 4 15. RED ROSE SPEEDWAY 19 (1) 3 16. RUN DEVIL RUN 18 (0) 4 17. WILD LIFE 17 (0) 4 18. UNPLUGGED 10 (0) 2 19. OFF THE GROUND 9 (0) 2 19. TRIPPING THE LIVE FANTASTIC 9 (0) 2 21. CHOBBA CCCP 8 (0) 1 22. PIPES OF PEACE 6 (0) 3 22. BROADSTREET 6 (0) 1 22. SPEED OF SOUND 6 (0) 1 25. KISSES ON THE BOTTOM 2 (0) 1 26. MCCARTNEY II 1 (0) 1 Read more: abbeyrd.proboards.com/thread/3296/pauls-top-10-albums?page=4#ixzz3lTCmm5tqMy personal list had Tug of War in my top 13. Flowers and Pipes did not make my list. Flowers would have beat Pipes.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 11, 2015 17:15:06 GMT -5
FYI, the deluxes are now on Amazon.com.
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Post by Panther on Sept 16, 2015 23:28:51 GMT -5
I've had 4 Paul albums on rotation in my car this week. Tug of War and Pipes of Peace being 2 of them. After multiple listens i have decided whilst they are both good albums POP is better than TOW. Finally! Someone who agrees with me that POP is better than the overslick, overblown TOW. We are in the minority, my friend. The only reason TOW got great reviews when it came out was because it was the early 80s, John was dead, and because Paul hadn't made a coherent, really commercial-sounding album for five years. POP had better tunes and more soul. (And yes, lots of 80's drum sounds, and wimp-rock.)
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 17, 2015 11:09:36 GMT -5
The only reason TOW got great reviews when it came out was because it was the early 80s, John was dead, and because Paul hadn't made a coherent, really commercial-sounding album for five years. POP had better tunes and more soul. (And yes, lots of 80's drum sounds, and wimp-rock.) It was also because TUG OF WAR was a magnificent album when it was released in 1982. I am the first to say that some of the luster has worn off TOW now, but it's better than that plate of left-overs, the third-rate PIPES OF PEACE, any day or year.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 17, 2015 16:33:53 GMT -5
I've received the promos on the two releases, but with all the Beatles craziness, I've only had time to listen to some of "Tug of War." What I've heard sounds great, though I haven't had a chance to A/B it.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 17, 2015 18:28:53 GMT -5
I loved every song on Tug of War. It was as Rolling Stone said, McCartney's masterpiece. The packaging was great as well, Paul on the cover and the drama happening with the red and blue squares. It was amazing to me that this was Paul McCartney, Sullivan, Sgt. Pepper, Hey Jude, Let it Be, Band on the Run Paul McCartney. This was very much an album to play at parties or when friends came over and very much the comeback album for me after McCartney II.
Pipes of Peace was really the debut of Paul as complete pop fluff. It had that twinkle, twinkle sound that many of the pop artist of that period was using. It had a few songs I liked, Pipes of Peace, So Bad, Say Say Say, Sweetest Little Show (I waver on this one), Hey Hey and Tug of Peace but it was too hard to pick out the good songs and skip the bad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 3:18:01 GMT -5
Lots of fors and againsts for TOW v POP as to which one is the best album.
None of them have been very persuasive so it's all down to personal opinion, or lack of taste.
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Post by Panther on Sept 18, 2015 6:59:41 GMT -5
...it's all down to personal opinion, or lack of taste. Post of the year. Here's Bob Dylan, expressing Fabfour right after that post:
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 18, 2015 7:39:20 GMT -5
Lots of fors and againsts for TOW v POP as to which one is the best album. Of course everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I'm talking about general reputation. Where are there "lots of fors" for POP that renders these two albums "about equal" in rep?
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