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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 5, 2009 16:53:19 GMT -5
According to school records, some time during his teenage years, Paul McCartney was given a school-sponsored IQ test on which he scored 137. This is quite a high score. The question is do you believe it is accurate? Does it mean anything? It had something to do with a condition of acceptance to the Liverpool Institute. minds-opaque.livejournal.com/1868.html
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Post by sayne on Jan 5, 2009 17:19:13 GMT -5
It means nothing to me, and shouldn't to anyone to really knows the complexity of intelligence. IQ scores are selling points and label makers used for selfish reasons, mainly - ego.
Do I think Paul is smart? Sure, in some areas. He's quite dumb in others. Now, don't even get me on the concept of "genius".
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Post by vectisfabber on Jan 5, 2009 20:46:42 GMT -5
I would imagine it is correct. IQ tests are great at measuring how well you do IQ tests.
That score is comfortably above average and comfortably below genius level. I don't believe that Lennon or McCartney are/were geniuses individually, although I think something special happened within the group, and Lennon-McCartney/The Beatles defnitely worked at genius level on a group basis.
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Post by sayne on Jan 5, 2009 21:07:44 GMT -5
I would imagine it is correct. IQ tests are great at measuring how well you do IQ tests. That's why they are not worth discussion, and why the term "genius" is equally arbitrary and, thus, meaningless, as well. It's like the word "race". Doesn't say or represent anything that is universally accurate, understood, or agreed upon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2009 7:46:41 GMT -5
You'd think someone with an IQ of 137 could pick a dud lyric when it was there in front of him......but...alas......
It seems there is no relationship between IQ and lyricism....
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Post by sayne on Jan 7, 2009 11:06:47 GMT -5
You'd think someone with an IQ of 137 could pick a dud lyric when it was there in front of him......but...alas...... It seems there is no relationship between IQ and lyricism.... ;D I think, Fabfour, you are right on IQ A 137 helps with no lyric or haiku
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 7, 2009 11:43:19 GMT -5
It means nothing to me, and shouldn't to anyone to really knows the complexity of intelligence. IQ scores are selling points and label makers used for selfish reasons, mainly - ego. Do I think Paul is smart? Sure, in some areas. He's quite dumb in others. Now, don't even get me on the concept of "genius". In what areas is he dumb? I don't think its fair to count matters of the heart like Heather and prenuptual agreements. I agree with Paul. If it is thought a prenuptual agreement is needed going into a marriage, maybe that marriage shouldn't happen in the first place. Prenuptual agreement has distrust written all over it. Its not a good way to start a marriage. It actually plants the seeds of distrust. In my personal experience with frieneds, its a good way to end an engagement. Sure in hindsight it didn't work out well between Paul and Heather. But you must remember that in England prenuptual agreements do not have the same weight as they do in the US. Its easy to look back after the fact. Who knows, with a prenup maybe Heather would have behaved even worse during the divorce. Also, I don't think lyrics are a good measure of this. It is purely subjective and Paul has written some great lyrics: For No One, Hey Jude, Lady Madonna, Let It Be, Maybe I'm Amazed, Little Willow, Getting Better, Fool on the Hill, Blackbird, Eleanor Rigby, With A Little Help From My Friends, Yesterday, And I Love Her, We Can Work It Out, Penny Lane and so on.
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Post by sayne on Jan 7, 2009 14:40:39 GMT -5
In what areas is he dumb? I don't think its fair to count matters of the heart . . . Also, I don't think lyrics are a good measure of this. I did not site "matters of the heart" or "lyrics." Are you NOT dumb in some areas? I sure am in regards to numbers. I can't do number games very well, either, but I'm pretty good with crossword puzzles. Ask me to think "outside the box" and I can dazzle, but ask me to find my way through a lingerie store and I'm "a deer caught in the headlights". You are probably very well-versed on everything Paul has ever said in an interview. I won't do your work for you. I suggest you go back and look at what Paul has said about politics, war, art, philosophy, and other things and you will find that often the things he has said are not very deep. I say this as someone who agrees with Paul in almost all areas. I just think the WHAT of what he says is often shallow and simple. I will grant that maybe the use of the word "dumb" was a bit harsh, but it was used to make a point. My point being that IQ tests are invalid because they do not measure all possible intelligences. So, to say Paul is smart simply because he has a certain number ignores all the areas where he is not so smart - just like all of us. For the record, I think John was not as smart as Paul.
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Post by jimc on Jan 7, 2009 20:56:01 GMT -5
For the record, I think John was not as smart as Paul. Oh, no. No we're going to get an essay about how Paul claims he was the "smart Beatle."
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Post by sayne on Jan 7, 2009 21:07:47 GMT -5
For the record, I think John was not as smart as Paul. Oh, no. No we're going to get an essay about how Paul claims he was the "smart Beatle." Sorry. It's that 'ol "unintended consequence" thing. Forgive me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 2:28:01 GMT -5
For the record, I think John was not as smart as Paul. Oh, no. No we're going to get an essay about how Paul claims he was the "smart Beatle." ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 8, 2009 17:42:22 GMT -5
In what areas is he dumb? I don't think its fair to count matters of the heart like Heather and prenuptual agreements. I agree with Paul. If it is thought a prenuptual agreement is needed going into a marriage, maybe that marriage shouldn't happen in the first place. Prenuptual agreement has distrust written all over it. Its not a good way to start a marriage. It actually plants the seeds of distrust. And just think - Paul thought the marriage and Heather were both right, and therefore didn't believe a prenup agreement was needed. But boy, was he dumb! ;D
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 8, 2009 17:44:09 GMT -5
For the record, I think John was not as smart as Paul. Oh, no. No we're going to get an essay about how Paul claims he was the "smart Beatle." No, we're not. Paul didn't claim that. Yet. Therein lies the difference.
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Post by scousette on Jan 8, 2009 20:00:13 GMT -5
It means nothing to me, and shouldn't to anyone to really knows the complexity of intelligence. IQ scores are selling points and label makers used for selfish reasons, mainly - ego. Do I think Paul is smart? Sure, in some areas. He's quite dumb in others. Now, don't even get me on the concept of "genius". In what areas is he dumb? I don't think its fair to count matters of the heart like Heather and prenuptual agreements. I agree with Paul. If it is thought a prenuptual agreement is needed going into a marriage, maybe that marriage shouldn't happen in the first place. Prenuptual agreement has distrust written all over it. Its not a good way to start a marriage. It actually plants the seeds of distrust. I disagree, RTP. I think in many instances a prenuptial agreement makes a lot of sense, like when you bring assets like real estate or retirement funds into a marriage. Or if you have kids from a previous marriage. Or if one partner is a lot wealthier than the other.
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Post by sexysadie on Jan 10, 2009 6:38:53 GMT -5
Paul must have dozens of lawyers at his disposal. He didn't bother to ask even one about the wisdom of getting a pre-nup before he married Heather? No lawyer in his right mind would tell someone of Paul's wealth to go ahead and marry a 25-years-younger woman without formally protecting his assets--so obviously he didn't seek any legal advice. And that IS dumb.
If asking a future husband/wife to sign a pre-nup causes problems in the relationship, then it was doomed anyway. And it's better to know that before the "I do's" than after. More importantly, Paul's family, friends and even the press were raising all kinds of red flags about Heather. He wouldn't listen. A billionaire doesn't have the luxury of thinking with his heart. Or his dangly bits.
Sayne is right--someone can be very smart and talented in some ways and downright clueless in others. IQ is one measurement of mental acuity, but it can't measure other important abilities and qualities. My best friend in high school (and fellow Beatlemaniac) was invited to join MENSA. She went to one meeting, and discovered these supposedly "genius" people were the most self-absorbed bores she had ever met. If they were so smart, they should have known they weren't very interesting!
For every great Paul lyric RTP cites, there is a correspondingly embarrassing one. Biker Like An Icon. C Moon. There are some real clunkers on Wings at the Speed of Sound, London Town, and Driving Rain. The song Driving Rain, for example--any time Paul resorts to counting, you know he's lyrically braindead. And he's not a deep thinker, as the interview in The Prospect proves.
On the other hand, John was capable of getting beyond the superficial. He was also quick-witted, and very talented with wordplay. I certainly wouldn't compare his intellectual gifts unfavorably to Paul's. Let's say they perfectly complemented each other, and leave it at that.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 10, 2009 11:03:14 GMT -5
...For every great Paul lyric RTP cites, there is a correspondingly embarrassing one....C Moon. By the way, is anyone else as annoyed, nay pissed off, as I am that this turkey is included on this "Omega" c.d. release where Paul is trying to cash in on the Grammy Awards(even setting aside the fact that it was allegedly promised that this would be a vinyl only release in solidarity with "record" stores) while omitting other newer songs done live? I have said it before and I'll say it again, "C-Moon" is lame-ass and a real concert momentum killer as evidenced every night of the 2002 tour. Can someone post a link to that actual interview. I want to read for myself that Paul "Talkin' 'Bout Freedom" McCartney is now blaming the U.S. government or American Jews or Israel (per this bizarre merger of the very extreme Right, i.e., Nazis and skinheads, and the not even extreme Left), for directing the Sept. 11th, 2001 attacks in America. Macca once consulted with the likes of Bertrand Russell for political philosophy but now he gets his information from Magneto and the Titanium Man! I am thinking of sending a copy of this interview to every NYFD firehouse. It won't be too much of a blow though to those brave men and women as they know The Who knocked Paul's socks off the stage at the Concert for NYC. ;D
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Post by sayne on Jan 10, 2009 14:34:49 GMT -5
. . . MENSA . . . If they were so smart, they should have known they weren't very interesting! ;D ;D ;D That's a good one! It's interesting that "Mensa" in Spanish is the feminine form of the verb "to be stuped". I think it was Groucho Marx who had a line from a movie which said something like, "I wouldn't join a club who's standards were so low that they would accept me as a member." I've since used it for friends and say, "You really shouldn't go out with anyone who would lower their standards to go out with you." Good ribbing is fun. (Yes, I know I spelled it wrong and used a contraction instead of the possessive pronoun)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 1:10:57 GMT -5
Speaking of mucca,she has been playing around with her image..namely a new do.... before after I think the before one is better...
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Post by sayne on Jan 11, 2009 12:08:51 GMT -5
after I think the before one is better... Oh, my gosh! I can't say you are wrong because it's all about perspective and taste, but I thing you might be in the minority here. She may be a person of questionable character, but in THIS photo, she has done herself quite well.
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Post by cosmo on Jan 11, 2009 16:00:56 GMT -5
hmmmm looks like she got her lips plumped up as well ;D
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Post by vectisfabber on Jan 11, 2009 19:16:56 GMT -5
Or else someone punched her in the mouth.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 11, 2009 20:02:13 GMT -5
Or else someone punched her in the mouth. Maybe Paul's divorce lawyer got her revenge for Heather dumping water on her head!
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Post by sexysadie on Jan 12, 2009 6:36:06 GMT -5
The first 1,000 words of The Prospect interview, John. Unfortunately, the "preview" ends just when Paul starts getting entertaining (that is, really, really stupid). Ooooh, secret societies for the care and feeding of subversives. He'd better watch out, or Yale will revoke his big honorary doctorate. www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=10568 Has he been into his marijuana stash again? He may have had a 137 IQ in his youth, but he's obviously smoked--and drank--quite a few points off that baby in subsequent years. (That would explain C Moon, for one thing. Why DOES he endlessly flog that drivel?) Like most celebrities, Paul's an idealogue. His political opinions are complete predictable, and therefore not especially interesting. Still, I'd like to read the remainder of the interview just to see how bad it gets. And how many world leaders he has on his mobile. Self-effacing, my arse. I'm no doubt in the minority, but I like Heather's new hairstyle. Her ex should follow her example and do something with his, including losing the dye. And I'm beginning to grow weary of the media slating Heather for everything she does--witness the derisive comments about her big "outdated 80's-style" sunglasses in one article about the new look. Princess Nancy wears similar glasses and she is stunning, stylish, so much like Jackie O. The good ol' double standard is alive and well.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 12, 2009 9:12:21 GMT -5
The first 1,000 words of The Prospect interview, John. Unfortunately, the "preview" ends just when Paul starts getting entertaining (that is, really, really stupid). Ooooh, secret societies for the care and feeding of subversives. He'd better watch out, or Yale will revoke his big honorary doctorate. Thanks, sexysadie! LOL! You are right, just what the hell is Paul going on about with Georgia! Oh yeah, maybe he is in solidarity with his homeboy Vladimir "Also Talkin' About Freedom" Putin. Bad Georgians for not wanting to be ruled by Russia, no get Paul McCartney concert to make their lives' complete. I think President-elect Obama is sharp enough not to get drawn into "Macca Wacka World." I am glad that he is a Stones' fan when pressed by the aging 'boomer Press to name a 'boomer band he likes! ;D Agreed. Heather's new hair style looks good. She can never win with anyone. Princess Nancy is a close ringer to Mary McCartney and that is still creeping me out.
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Post by sexysadie on Jan 14, 2009 3:28:27 GMT -5
I can't tell you how many times I've seen/heard that comment about The Princess looking like Mary. And everybody who mentions it finds it creepy.
Nancy should follow Heather's example and get rid of the long hair. It's a boring style, lengthens an already long face, and makes her look even taller and thinner than she is.
But then how would she dry Paul's feet after bathing them with her tears every morning?
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Post by winstonoboogie on Jan 14, 2009 21:04:01 GMT -5
INancy should follow Heather's example and get rid of the long hair. It's a boring style, lengthens an already long face, and makes her look even taller and thinner than she is. But then how would she dry Paul's feet after bathing them with her tears every morning? ;D
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