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Post by mikev on Oct 8, 2015 7:48:35 GMT -5
Janet Jackson, N.W.A, Nine Inch Nails, Chicago, the Smiths, and Cheap Trick, Chic, Deep Purple, Chaka Khan, Yes, The J.B.'s, Los Lobos, Steve Miller, The Spinners and The Cars.
A great list IMO, but Janet Jackson??? And who is the JB's??? N.W.A. brings back the rap question, but in some ways they are more "rock and roll" than other acts already in.
MIA: Moody Blues, Monkees, Harry Nilsson, ELO, ELP
Sorry Fred-it just ain't gonna happen with Wenner around.
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Post by lowbasso on Oct 8, 2015 8:21:31 GMT -5
Janet Jackson, N.W.A, Nine Inch Nails, Chicago, the Smiths, and Cheap Trick, Chic, Deep Purple, Chaka Khan, Yes, The J.B.'s, Los Lobos, Steve Miller, The Spinners and The Cars. A great list IMO, but Janet Jackson??? And who is the JB's??? N.W.A. brings back the rap question, but in some ways they are more "rock and roll" than other acts already in. MIA: Moody Blues, Monkees, Harry Nilsson, ELO, ELP Sorry Fred-it just ain't gonna happen with Wenner around. IMO - Already too many people and groups in the HOF. Pretty soon anybody who ever formed a garage band will be nominated. The high number of nominees each year just further dilutes the quality of the HOF.
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Post by OldFred on Oct 8, 2015 14:12:15 GMT -5
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 8, 2015 17:53:21 GMT -5
Janet Jackson, N.W.A, Nine Inch Nails, Chicago, the Smiths, and Cheap Trick, Chic, Deep Purple, Chaka Khan, Yes, The J.B.'s, Los Lobos, Steve Miller, The Spinners and The Cars. A great list IMO, but Janet Jackson??? And who is the JB's??? N.W.A. brings back the rap question, but in some ways they are more "rock and roll" than other acts already in. MIA: Moody Blues, Monkees, Harry Nilsson, ELO, ELP Sorry Fred-it just ain't gonna happen with Wenner around. The JBs are James Brown's old backing band. I'll go along with Chicago, their early stuff rocked, I'm a Man, 25 or 6 to 4, Make Me Smile, Dialogue Pts 1 & 2, Feeling Stronger Every Day.... The Smiths didn't do much for me but I understand their appeal. I like Morrisey's solo stuff better. I like Cheap Trick but I don't think they had the longevity ..., oh wait. Look at who else is in. Go Cheap Trick! Deep Purple? Again, one great album and one good live album. Yes? I completely support this. Their early albums were great with so many songs that are both varied and complex. Their comeback with the Owner of a Lonely Heart period is what impresses me. Good show. Steve Miller is great! His later albums should had been bigger hits. The Cars were kind of a one act band for me. Had they been able to change and grow with the times, their older stuff would not sound so stuck in that era. Not a bad list, the rock acts anyway.
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Post by sayne on Oct 8, 2015 22:41:02 GMT -5
My votes:
the Smiths Cheap Trick Deep Purple Yes Los Lobos
Close: Steve Miller The Cars
NEVER!!!! Chicago Chic Chaka Khan the Spinners
I agree that the Moody Blues, the Monkees, and ELP keep getting screwed.
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 8, 2015 23:08:16 GMT -5
My votes: the Smiths Cheap Trick Deep Purple Yes Los Lobos Close: Steve Miller The Cars NEVER!!!! Chicago Chic Chaka Khan the Spinners I agree that the Moody Blues, the Monkees, and ELP keep getting screwed. Los Lobos? Hall of Fame? I know Will the Wolf Survive and they did the La Bamba soundtrack. Am I missing something? The Moodies should be in for just for the Denny Laine era. Justin always seemed a little flat to me. But I liked all the stuff up to/including Standing in a Slide Zone. I didn't know the albums, just the radio tracks. With hits alone, they should be in. And again, they had an enormous comeback with (Once Upon a Time) In Your Wildest Dreams. This made me go back and start getting the albums on CD. Oddly enough, I didn't make it up to Your Wildest Dreams. I still plan to though. The Monkees, of course. ELP kind of seem to be of that era. Didn't translate too well in the disco era (Love Beach).
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Post by sayne on Oct 9, 2015 7:36:56 GMT -5
[/quote]Los Lobos? Hall of Fame? I know Will the Wolf Survive and they did the La Bamba soundtrack. Am I missing something?
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I know they probably didn't get much press outside SoCal, but it really wasn't about the hits. It was about solid masterfully created, artistically rendered, unadulterated and honest roots music that told good stories. They perfectly melded a punk garage ethos with Mexican, country, rock, and blues. It is a shame that most people ONLY know them by La Bamba. I think if one polled the likes of Dylan, Clapton, the Stones, Tom Petty, Bruce Springsteen, Neil Young, and such, you'd get whole-hearted endorsements.
I remember once Brian Wilson talking about a Beach Boys vs Beatles comparison. He leaned to the Beatles in a number of areas, but said it was a tie when it came to creating your own signature sound and style (to which all artists try to accomplish). I think that is where Los Lobos is. They have the quality, longitivity, respect, craft, and original style that should be recognized. I can see, though, how some people would disagree simply based on lack of hits. They're kinda in the Lou Reed, Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, Bonnie Raitt wing of the Hall.
That's my justification. Not saying others shouldn't get in ahead of them. Just saying that they are deserving.
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Post by sayne on Oct 9, 2015 23:35:36 GMT -5
As of now,here are the fan voting standings:
Chicago 16.42% (7985072 votes) Yes 16.20% (7877988 votes) The Cars 16.16% (7858433 votes) Deep Purple 16.05% (7802121 votes) Steve Miller 15.99% (7773941 votes) Janet Jackson 12.99% (6313351 votes) Chaka Khan 1.15% (558250 votes) Cheap Trick 0.92% (448952 votes) The Spinners 0.87% (425190 votes) Chic 0.81% (392654 votes) N.W.A 0.80% (387761 votes) The Smiths 0.51% (247773 votes) The J.B.'s 0.47% (226636 votes) Los Lobos 0.39% (191923 votes) Nine Inch Nails 0.27% (129219 votes)
I'd be okay with the Top 5 - even Chicago (I've rethunk them)
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 10, 2015 1:10:45 GMT -5
I know they probably didn't get much press outside SoCal, but it really wasn't about the hits. It was about solid masterfully created, artistically rendered, unadulterated and honest roots music that told good stories. They perfectly melded a punk garage ethos with Mexican, country, rock, and blues. It is a shame that most people ONLY know them by La Bamba. I think if one polled the likes of Dylan, Clapton, the Stones, Tom Petty, Bruce Springsteen, Neil Young, and such, you'd get whole-hearted endorsements. I remember once Brian Wilson talking about a Beach Boys vs Beatles comparison. He leaned to the Beatles in a number of areas, but said it was a tie when it came to creating your own signature sound and style (to which all artists try to accomplish). I think that is where Los Lobos is. They have the quality, longitivity, respect, craft, and original style that should be recognized. I can see, though, how some people would disagree simply based on lack of hits. They're kinda in the Lou Reed, Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, Bonnie Raitt wing of the Hall. That's my justification. Not saying others shouldn't get in ahead of them. Just saying that they are deserving. Okay. What would you recommend? I'm looking at Just Another Band from East L.A.: A Collection Box set. Two discs for $19.95.
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Post by sayne on Oct 10, 2015 2:09:33 GMT -5
Okay. What would you recommend? I'm looking at Just Another Band from East L.A.: A Collection Box set. Two discs for $19.95.[/quote] That's all you need. It's a good historical accounting. My most favorite songs of theirs are Be Still, El Gusto, and Will the Wolf Survive. I also dig their (surprising) version of Tomorrow Never Knows, which I posted here a while ago. I never thought that Los Lobos would be into the Beatles, let alone cover one of their songs. In fact, in the video to follow, they actually are quite respectful of the Beatles and knowledgeable of the EMI sound: If one reads their Wiki entry, they certainly have the bona fides to merit Hall of Fame consideration, albeit they are not everyone's cup of tea.
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Post by sayne on Oct 11, 2015 10:08:48 GMT -5
Okay, let's clear the books for you. Who are your MUST haves to be in the Hall of Fame before you're ready to say "I'm cool. I don't care who gets in now."
These are mine:
Moody Blues Jethro Tull Yes Emerson Lake and Palmer
Remember, the criteria is MUST have. Here are some for me that I think are deserving (some might be a crime that they are not in), but I wouldn't hold anyone ransom to get them in.
Joe Cocker Ritchie Havens Gary Numan The Go Gos Ten Years After (or just Alvin Lee) B-52s Johnny Winter
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 14, 2015 21:39:04 GMT -5
Okay. What would you recommend? I'm looking at Just Another Band from East L.A.: A Collection Box set. Two discs for $19.95. That's all you need. It's a good historical accounting. My most favorite songs of theirs are Be Still, El Gusto, and Will the Wolf Survive. I also dig their (surprising) version of Tomorrow Never Knows, which I posted here a while ago. I never thought that Los Lobos would be into the Beatles, let alone cover one of their songs. If one reads their Wiki entry, they certainly have the bona fides to merit Hall of Fame consideration, albeit they are not everyone's cup of tea. UPS is dropping this off to me tomorrow. My whim buy of the month.
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Post by sayne on Dec 18, 2015 20:09:57 GMT -5
Okay, what do you think of the inductees?
Chicago Steve Miller Cheap Trick NWA Deep Purple
I'm okay with Cheap Trick, NWA, and Deep Purple. NWA only because the door was open a long time ago for non-rock people. NWA is great, but not rock. But, as long as other non-rock people are getting in, then they deserve it. Chicago was not a pick of mine, but I can understand why they got in. They are great musicians and they did have quality songs and albums. Steve Miller, good, but not what I would call extremely meritorious.
I would have had Yes and the Cars amongst this year's inductees, instead of Chicago and Steve Miller.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 18, 2015 21:31:18 GMT -5
Okay, what do you think of the inductees? Chicago Steve Miller Cheap Trick NWA Deep Purple I'm okay with Cheap Trick, NWA, and Deep Purple. NWA only because the door was open a long time ago for non-rock people. NWA is great, but not rock. But, as long as other non-rock people are getting in, then they deserve it. Chicago was not a pick of mine, but I can understand why they got in. They are great musicians and they did have quality songs and albums. Steve Miller, good, but not what I would call extremely meritorious. I would have had Yes and the Cars amongst this year's inductees, instead of Chicago and Steve Miller. Does it matter anymore? Everyone gets in, practically. Whoever's not in yet will be inducted too, eventually. NWA is a complete joke. And it's hypocritical that they use such a name.
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Post by sayne on Dec 19, 2015 10:56:08 GMT -5
Does it matter anymore? Everyone gets in, practically. Whoever's not in yet will be inducted too, eventually. NWA is a complete joke. And it's hypocritical that they use such a name. What's wrong with "attitude"?
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 19, 2015 11:59:28 GMT -5
Okay, what do you think of the inductees? Chicago Steve Miller Cheap Trick NWA Deep Purple I'm okay with Cheap Trick, NWA, and Deep Purple. NWA only because the door was open a long time ago for non-rock people. NWA is great, but not rock. But, as long as other non-rock people are getting in, then they deserve it. Chicago was not a pick of mine, but I can understand why they got in. They are great musicians and they did have quality songs and albums. Steve Miller, good, but not what I would call extremely meritorious. I would have had Yes and the Cars amongst this year's inductees, instead of Chicago and Steve Miller. Does it matter anymore? Everyone gets in, practically. Whoever's not in yet will be inducted too, eventually. NWA is a complete joke. And it's hypocritical that they use such a name. When The Archies get nominated, we will know they've hit rock bottom. Pun intented...
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 19, 2015 13:53:56 GMT -5
When The Archies get nominated, we will know they've hit rock bottom. Pun intented... I think they are all in from one band or another. Didn't Jughead play drums on the Isley Brothers' Twist and Shout?
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Post by mikev on Dec 19, 2015 20:01:30 GMT -5
When The Archies get nominated, we will know they've hit rock bottom. Pun intented... I think they are all in from one band or another. Didn't Jughead play drums on the Isley Brothers' Twist and Shout? The Archies were never the same when Jughead went into rehab for food addiction and of all replacements they went with stoner Shaggy on the ukulele.
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Post by markc on Dec 22, 2015 12:27:46 GMT -5
Chicago - "a trumpet playing band. It ain't what they call rock and roll." Knopfler, M, 1978.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Dec 26, 2015 22:45:43 GMT -5
Well, I like Chicago - especially the early stuff with Terry Kath on guitar! Do yourself a favor and listen to it sometime!
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