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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 4:09:36 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 29, 2015 7:02:38 GMT -5
Well, all this article did was make me not a fan of Andy Peebles -- 'at least not anymore'. He did a fantastic interview with the Lennons on 12/6/80 -- one of the best ever. And now I learn that he's like the pot calling the kettle black, since the article demonstrates that he's just an opportunist himself. He whines about Yoko "taking advantage of John", and yet here is Peebles right on the cusp of early December --- using the 35th Anniversary of John's murder to capitalize on it. He often talks in this article about Yoko Ono being "nothing" (although she was an established avant garde artist in her own right even before she met John) yet he admits to forming a rather long friendship with her for many years (?) ... and besides, who the hell has ever heard of Andy Peebles, aside from his 1980 BBC interview featuring John and Yoko? He's had nothing else to hang his hat on, and I had never heard his name before (or since) unless it was in reference to being some guy who was lucky enough to conduct one of the very last interviews with John Lennon. Andy Peebles is a nothing, a nobody -- and has probably accomplished less, even, than he claims Yoko has. This is an old, old story -- Yoko going on with her life after John's death. So she wanted to try and find happiness - so what? Is she the first woman (or man) to have a relationship after a spouse's death? Even if she was having an affair with Sam Havadtoy (however you spell it)... was Yoko the first to have an affair? Hell, didn't John Lennon himself have an affair with Yoko behind wife Cynthia's back? So if Yoko did have an affair with Sam, why are we "protecting" John, exactly? Is John so above all of that? I also find it completely subjective when Peebles claims "Yoko seemed so much happier after John's death". And then there is the moment where Peebles discussed the pre-interview 'interrogation' by Yoko in 1980. She insisted that the interview was to be "50% about John and 50% about Me"... as if there's something wrong about this. The whole DOUBLE FANTASY project was conceived as a 50-50 concept, for crying out loud. Peebles also goes on to say that he looked at Yoko during the pre-interview session, and thought to himself: "This is the woman who broke up The Beatles??". As all four Beatles themselves have said over and over through the decades, it wasn't solely Yoko who busted up The Beatles. Peebles insists that John would not have been happy about some of the projects Yoko did after John's death, and I disagree... I think that - for better or worse -- John always had complete faith in Yoko's handling of all affairs, and I think he would overall be very supportive of her choices. So, here's this big opportunist Andy Peebles ... taking disgusting advantage of the 35th Anniversary of John's death (just a little more than a week away!) , only now deciding to poke his unknown head up from the dirt and make claims and accusations. He can't stand Yoko, yet he spent how many years leeching on to her as her 'pal', the same way he claims she leeched onto John. I have lost complete respect for this jerk myself, and I'll forever remember what hypocritical slime he is whenever I listen to his voice on the celebrated 12/6/80 interview, from this day forward. Nice accomplishment, Andy.
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Post by Panther on Nov 29, 2015 7:44:25 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Yoko, but this article is completely pointless, and is rather a surprising cry-for-attention by Peebles, who should just enjoy his retirement.
So, apparently, it's supposed to be a shocking scandal that Yoko had a guy after her husband was murdered.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Nov 29, 2015 15:20:43 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Yoko, but this article is completely pointless, and is rather a surprising cry-for-attention by Peebles, who should just enjoy his retirement. So, apparently, it's supposed to be a shocking scandal that Yoko had a guy after her husband was murdered. I am a fan of Yoko, and this caught me by complete surprise.... what a jerk.
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Post by stavros on Nov 29, 2015 18:05:49 GMT -5
In fairness to those who hadn't heard of Andy Peebles he was a fairly well established BBC Radio 1 DJ in 1980. It is also true that Yoko would certainly have been a footnote in avant garde history had she never married a Beatle.
But I am very disappointed in this hit piece by Peebles. A good few years ago I listened to that 1980 interview and thought that John was finally in a very good place. He seemed to have finally found some peace in his life and had come to terms with his past and was rightly proud of his music with the Beatles and as a solo artist.
Not only that I suspect without Yoko that John may have ended up as one of rock's many casualties long before 1980. I am no fan of Yoko and her stewardship of the Lennon legacy but I really don't know why Peebles has to peddle this crap.
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Post by Panther on Nov 30, 2015 8:03:45 GMT -5
In fairness to those who hadn't heard of Andy Peebles he was a fairly well established BBC Radio 1 DJ in 1980. It is also true that Yoko would certainly have been a footnote in avant garde history had she never married a Beatle. But I am very disappointed in this hit piece by Peebles. A good few years ago I listened to that 1980 interview and thought that John was finally in a very good place. He seemed to have finally found some peace in his life and had come to terms with his past and was rightly proud of his music with the Beatles and as a solo artist. Not only that I suspect without Yoko that John may have ended up as one of rock's many casualties long before 1980. I am no fan of Yoko and her stewardship of the Lennon legacy but I really don't know why Peebles has to peddle this crap. I fully agree with everything you say here. It's pretty obvious from listening to the 1980 BBC interview with Peebles (and it's loooong) that John was really trying to put his "best" across to British listeners -- and he knew Aunt Mimi was listening, so he watched his 'Ps' and 'Qs'. But it is a nice interview, and Peebles handled it well. Why he felt the need to come out with this (not even interesting) hatchet job is beyond me...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 18:04:12 GMT -5
Well, all this article did was make me not a fan of Andy Peebles -- 'at least not anymore'. He did a fantastic interview with the Lennons on 12/6/80 -- one of the best ever. And now I learn that he's like the pot calling the kettle black, since the article demonstrates that he's just an opportunist himself. He whines about Yoko "taking advantage of John", and yet here is Peebles right on the cusp of early December --- using the 35th Anniversary of John's murder to capitalize on it. He often talks in this article about Yoko Ono being "nothing" (although she was an established avant garde artist in her own right even before she met John) yet he admits to forming a rather long friendship with her for many years (?) ... and besides, who the hell has ever heard of Andy Peebles, aside from his 1980 BBC interview featuring John and Yoko? He's had nothing else to hang his hat on, and I had never heard his name before (or since) unless it was in reference to being some guy who was lucky enough to conduct one of the very last interviews with John Lennon. Andy Peebles is a nothing, a nobody -- and has probably accomplished less, even, than he claims Yoko has. This is an old, old story -- Yoko going on with her life after John's death. So she wanted to try and find happiness - so what? Is she the first woman (or man) to have a relationship after a spouse's death? Even if she was having an affair with Sam Havadtoy (however you spell it)... was Yoko the first to have an affair? Hell, didn't John Lennon himself have an affair with Yoko behind wife Cynthia's back? So if Yoko did have an affair with Sam, why are we "protecting" John, exactly? Is John so above all of that? I also find it completely subjective when Peebles claims "Yoko seemed so much happier after John's deat And then there is the moment where Peebles discussed the pre-interview 'interrogation' by Yoko in 1980. She insisted that the interview was to be "50% about John and 50% about Me"... as if there's something wrong about this. The whole DOUBLE FANTASY project was conceived as a 50-50 concept, for crying out loud. Peebles also goes on to say that he looked at Yoko during the pre-interview session, and thought to himself: "This is the woman who broke up The Beatles??". As all four Beatles themselves have said over and over through the decades, it wasn't solely Yoko who busted up The Beatles. Peebles insists that John would not have been happy about some of the projects Yoko did after John's death, and I disagree... I think that - for better or worse -- John always had complete faith in Yoko's handling of all affairs, and I think he would overall be very supportive of her choices. So, here's this big opportunist Andy Peebles ... taking disgusting advantage of the 35th Anniversary of John's death (just a little more than a week away!) , only now deciding to poke his unknown head up from the dirt and make claims and accusations. He can't stand Yoko, yet he spent how many years leeching on to her as her 'pal', the same way he claims she leeched onto John. I have lost complete respect for this jerk myself, and I'll forever remember what hypocritical slime he is whenever I listen to his voice on the celebrated 12/6/80 interview, from this day forward. Nice accomplishment, Andy. Thank you Joe,so true and so well said!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 18:09:20 GMT -5
Before John met Yoko,John used to be a psychologically messed up angry sexist,pig,guy,who had fist fights with men,hit women,and like Paul,George and Ringo was a terrible cheating womanizer until he met Yoko who changed him so much for the better into a feminist nurturing house husband and father!
John Lennon is a great example of people can change and are not fixed to be a certain way as a man or a woman.Yoko changed John into a much better person as a pro-feminist man and the feminist changes *are* for the better,and many pro-feminist men have recognized this too! They say it has freed them and allowed them to develop and express more of all of the shared common *human* traits,emotions,behaviors,abilities and reduce and prevent male violence against women and children etc. Definitions of "masculine" and "feminine" differ across time periods,and in different societies. John Lennon is a great example of how feminism changing limited artificial gender definitions and roles,changed him for the much better. John as a child and teenager had a lot of traumas that permanently psychologically damaged him,but because of his and Yoko's beautiful loving relationship,and as he said she was a feminist before he met her,(and he said that because she was a feminist before he met her,they were going to have to have a 50/50 equal relationship which he never had before) he went in to primal scream therapy and Yoko went with him and he dealt with all of his pain and anger for the very first time at age 29. When John was a young guy,he was often drunk getting into fist fights with men,hitting women,and womanizing including cheating on his girlfriends and then his first wife Cynthia.Of course Paul,George and Ringo did the same with all of the groupies all 4 of them had while touring from 1963-1966. I hadn't watched these Mike Douglas shows in years until December 2010 when it was the 30th anniversary of John's tragic crazy murder. Out of the 5 Mike Douglas shows that John and Yoko co-hosted for a week that was taped in January 1972 and aired in February,a young criminal lawyer Rena Uviller(she went on to become a Supreme Court Judge) who worked with juveniles, and she,Mike Douglas,John and Yoko were discussing the then very recent women's liberation movement. George Carlin was on too. Rena said,she agrees with Yoko,that the idea of Women's lib is to liberate all of us,and she said ,I mean we could talk hours on the way men really suffer under the sex role definitions.Yoko agreed with what she said too. Rena said that men don't really realize they have only to gain from Women's Lib,and that she thinks that maybe with a little more propaganda we can convince them. John then said,yeah there is a lot to gain from it,just the fact that you can relax and not have to play that male role,he said we can do that,and he said that I can be weak,( but notice how then in a male dominated gender divided,gender stereotyped,sexist society,and even unfortunately still now in a lot of ways,the "female" role was defined as the weak one,and the male role as the strong one) I don't have to protect her all the time and play you know that super hero,I don't have to play that,she allows me to be weak sometimes and for me to cry,and for her to be the strong one,and for me to be the weak one. John then said,and it really is a great relief,after 28 years of trying to be tough,you know trying to show them,I don't give a da*n and I'm this and I'm that,to be able to relax.and just be able to say,OK I'm no tough guy forget it. Rena then said,I think in some funny way,I think girls even as children,have a greater lattitude because a little girl can be sort of frilly and feminine or she can be a tomboy and it's acceptable,but a little boy if he's not tossing that football,there's a lot of pressure on him.John said,there's a lot of pressure,not to show emotion,and he said that there was a lot of pressure on me not to be an artist,to be a chemist and he said he discussed this on another Mike Douglas episode. Rena said that unfortunately some of the leaders in the Women's Liberation movement fall victim to being spokesmen,for Women's Lib, and yet at least in public personality they seem to really have a certain amount of contempt for the hair curled housewife and there is a kind of sneering contempt,and she said I think it's a measure of their own lack of liberation.And Yoko said it's snobbery,and Rena said yeah,they really don't like other women,but I'm sympathetic,and Mike Douglas then said a sexist woman-hating statement,saying,well women don't like other women period.Rena said,no see that's very unliberated and Yoko said, in response to what Mike Douglas said,that's not true,that's not true.And John said,you see they are brought up to compete with men. Yoko said that even though in Japan they say they don't have much of a woman problem and women already had some liberation,there is still a long way to go that she really agrees with Rena that so many female liberation movement people basically hate women,and we have to first start to understand women and love them whether they are housewives or not,and she said that snobbery is very bad and we have to somehow find out a way to co-existing with men,and she asked Rena don't you think so and she said most definitely. George Carlin said,that actually many successful women are acting out male roles just like a lot of blacks think they escaped are acting out white roles.John also said that he thinks that women have to try twice as hard as to make it as men,and he said you know they have to be on their toes much more than a man. On another Mike Douglas episode from the same week,former actress and acclaimed film maker Barbara Loden was on and Yoko had requested her as a guest.John asked her ,Did you have any problems working with the men,you know like giving them instructions and things like that and Barbara said,I did, but I think it was because I was afraid that they would not accept what I said,and I wasn't quite that authoritative in my own self.John said it's certainly a brave thing to do,and Yoko said it is. Mike Douglas asked Yoko if John's attitude had changed much towards her since The Female Liberation Movement,and at first Yoko says John's attitude from the beginning was the same,and that they met on that level.John then says,twice, I was a male chauvinist and Yoko says,yes he was a male chauvinist but,and then John says,Can I say how you taught me,and Yoko says yes.John says,How I did it in my head was,would I ask Paul or George,or would I treat them the way I would treat a woman? John then said,it's a very simple thing maybe it's fetch that or do that ,and I started thinking if I said that to them,they'd say come on get it yourself,and if you put your wife or your girl friend in the position of your best friend,and say now would I say that to him,then you know when you're treading on some delicate feelings. Mike Douglas said years later that after this week of John and Yoko co-hosting his show,many young people who had never watched his show before,(and his main audience was middle America and people older than their 20's and even mostly their 30's) told him they loved the show,and that it was great and his ratings went up high for those shows.Even if John didn't always live up to his feminist ideals and beliefs in his personal life,(although he did with Yoko because of her and this why and how he emotionally evolved into a caring,nurturing,house husband and father to Yoko and Sean),just the fact that he spoke out as a man in support of the feminist movement on a popular TV show back in early 1972 when most of the sexist male dominated woman-hating society looked down at it and considered it crazy which in some ways it's still unfortunately wrongly misunderstood(and it's really the male dominated,sexist,woman-hating society that has always been so wrong and crazy!),and the fact that John was (and still is) greatly admired and influential to many young people male and female,he did *a lot* to legitimize it and show it was rational,reasonable,needed and right! A few months later he was performing Woman Is The Ni**er Of The World on The Dick Cavett Show and then months after that live in Madison Square Garden.In his very last radio interview done by Dave Sholin etc from RKO Radio just hours before he was tragically shot and killed, John said I'm more feminist now than I was when I sang Woman Is The N**ger,I was intellectually feminist then but now I feel as though at least I've put not my own money,but my body where my mouth is and I'm living up to my own preachings as it were.
He also said what is this BS men are this way, women are that way,we're all human.He had also said that he comes from the macho school of pretense of course *all* men really are they are just too conditioned all of their lives to realize and admit it.And he said that men are trained to be like they are in the army,and that it's more like that in England but he knows it's this way over here too,he said that they are taught as boys and men don't react,don't feel,don't cry,and he said he thinks that's what screwed us all up and that he thinks it's time for a change.
In his September 1980 Newsweek interview the woman interviewer said to John aren't you the guy who said in 1963 that women should be obscene and not heard,and John said yes and I'm thankful to Yoko for the feminist education.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 18:11:31 GMT -5
Mike Douglas also said to John and Yoko,You're both so different,you had such different childhoods. John said,it's incredible isn't it? Yoko said,Yes! Mike asked,What do you think has attracted you to each other? Yoko said,We're very similar.John then said,She came from a Japanese upper-middle class family.Her parents were bankers and all that jazz,very straight.He said they were trying to get her off with an ambassador when she was 18.You know,now is the time you marry the ambassador and we get all settled. I come from a an upper-working class family in Liverpool,the other end of the world. John then said,we met but our minds are so similar,our ideas are so similar.It was incredible that we could be so alike from different enviornments,and I don't know what it is,but we're very similar in our heads.And we look alike too! Mike also asked John about his painful childhood,and how his father left him when he was 5,and John said how he only came back into his life when he was successful and famous(20 years later!),and John said he knew that I was living all those years in the same house with my auntie,but he never visited him.He said when he came back into his life all those years later,he looked after his father for the same amount of time he looked after him,about 4 years. He also talked about how his beloved mother Julia,who encouraged his music by teaching him to play the banjo,got hit and killed by a car driven by an off duty drunk cop when John was only 17 and just getting to have a realtionship with her after she had given him away to be raised by her older sister Mimi when he was 5. And John also said,And in spite of all that,I still don't have a hate-the-pigs attitude or hate-cops attitude.He then said, I think everybody's human you know,but it was very hard for me at that time,and I really had a chip on my shoulder,and it still comes out now and then,because it's a strange life to lead .He then said,But in general ah,I've got my own family now ...I got Yoko and she made up for all that pain. John's psychologist Dr. Arthur Janov told Mojo Magazine in 2000( parts of this interview is on a great UK John Lennon fan site,You Are The Plastic Ono Band) that John had as much pain as he had ever seen in his life,and he was a psychologist for at least 18 years when John and Yoko saw him in 1970! He said John was a very dedicated patient. He also said that John left therapy too early though and that they opened him up,but didn't get a chance to put him back together again and Dr. Janov told John he need to finish the therapy,he said because of the immigration services and he thought Nixon was after him,he said we have to get out of the country.John asked if he could send a therapist to Mexico with him,and Dr. Janov told him we can't do that because they had too many patients to take care of,and he said they cut the therapy off just as it started really,and we were just getting going. Also this great article by long time anti-sexist,anti-men's violence,anti-pornography former all star high school football player and author of the great important 2006 book,The Macho Paradox:How Some Men Hurt women And How All Men Can Help, Jackson Katz.John Lennon on Fatherfood,Feminism,and Phony Tough Guy Posturing www.huffingtonpost.com/jackson-katz/john-lennon-on-fatherhood_b_800333.html Also Cynthia Lennon is quoted in the great John Lennon biography Lennon,by award winning music journalist and former editor of The Melody Maker Magazine and good friend of John's for 18 years,Ray Coleman as saying somethings like she knew as soon as she saw John and Yoko together she knew that she lost him,and that it was a meeting of the minds and that she knew that they were right for each other.She also said that she told John before he started his relationship with Yoko that she sees and incedible similarity between him and Yoko and said to him that there is something about her that is just like you.She told him that he may say that she's this crazy avant garde artist etc and that he's not interested in her,but that she can see more into John's future with Yoko then he can.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 18:17:03 GMT -5
In this January 1971 interview with Red Mole John says that Yoko was well into liberation before he met her and that she had to fight her way through a man's world and he said the art world is completely dominated by men and said so Yoko was full of revolutionary zeal when they met. Then John said there was never any question about it that they had to have a 50-50 relationship or there was no relationship and he said he was quick to learn and he said that Yoko did an article in Nova more than two years back in which she said Woman is the ni**er of the world.He also said in this interview that it's very subtle how you're taught male superiority. www.beatlesinterviews.org/db1971.0121.beatles.html
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 18:37:47 GMT -5
And nobody even mentions that Yoko never re-married in all these 35 years out of her devotion to John who would have wanted her to go on with her life the best she could and try to be happy again in a new relationship.And poor Yoko was right there when she saw that crazy horrible piece of sh*t shoot John 4 times and saw him dying!
I once spoke to a radio DJ who was now a manager of a CD store,and in 1983 he had gone to her apartment with another DJ who did a long interview with her and who hosted a breakfast with The Beatles show on Sundays.I asked him what she was like and he said she was a very nice lady.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 18:43:54 GMT -5
I have seen many pictures and video interviews of Yoko when she was younger and she looked very attractive and with no make up on,and Scavullo who was one of the best fashion and celebrity photographers took a glamorous beauiful black and white portrait of Yoko with eye make up on and her hair done fancy it's on her biography on The All Music Guide. And Yoko looks more attractive at almost 83 than a lot of young people! And she's always been very intelligent too. She looks very pretty in this picture of her as a young wonan with no make up on, on her Instagram page. http://instagram.com/p/zAeIgqjzuH
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 18:52:17 GMT -5
Also many years ago a woman radio DJ ,I don't remember her name,was asked what she thought about Yoko and she said something like,she likes anyone who can turn a sexist Northern Liverpool guy into a feminist! And also many years ago some web site had a list of the greatest women singers and Yoko was number 9,and it said that she got John to give up his misogyny(woman-hatred!)
And thank her so much for that!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 20:12:50 GMT -5
Andy Peebles is a total lying creep now!
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 2, 2015 22:22:50 GMT -5
Andy Peebles is a total lying creep now! Yeah, John would probably track him down for this and beat the crap out of him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 0:22:00 GMT -5
Andy Peebles is a total lying creep now! Yeah, John would probably track him down for this and beat the crap out of him. Well, maybe because as I explained Yoko had changed John so much for the better.But he certainly would have been very rightfully hurt and angry about this!
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 3, 2015 12:56:00 GMT -5
I have seen many pictures and video interviews of Yoko when she was younger and she looked very attractive and with no make up on,and Scavullo who was one of the best fashion and celebrity photographers took a glamorous beauiful black and white portrait of Yoko with eye make up on and her hair done fancy it's on her biography on The All Music Guide. And Yoko looks more attractive at almost 83 than a lot of young people! And she's always been very intelligent too. She looks very pretty in this picture of her as a young wonan with no make up on, on her Instagram page. http://instagr.am/p/zAeIgqjzuH I also see a woman who learned how to manipulate and push all the right buttons on John Lennon to get his fame and fortune to work to her advantage to promote her causes. John's craving to be cared for and loved, which neither of his parents really provided for him in his early formative years, and which he lost any chance of getting back from his mother when she was tragically killed when he was only 17 years old, left him a bitter young man with a chip on his shoulder that Yoko took advantage of. John never became emotionally mature until the very end of his shortened life. His troubled youth along with a manipulative second wife kept his emotional maturation process from developing until he was almost 40 years old. Had John lived, we would have seen a man rebuild not only his relationships with his male friends, chiefly his former band-mates, but gain the confidence to make mature decisions in his personal as well as professional life. That sadly never happened. But Yoko got what she wanted out of the relationship for her lifetime; a son, and enough money to do whatever she pleased to further her own causes. I do not imply she is pleased that John was murdered, that was not what she could ever have imagined nor wanted. But I have never heard her say she would have gladly given up all her wealth, causes, and fame for her entire life to have changed what happened 35 years ago this week. She embraces now what The Beatles brought her over all these years in income and fame as the widow of the leader by showing warmth and support for Beatles projects like providing reunion song tapes, supporting the Vegas project, the Anthology project, the remastered and remixed recording projects, et al. But her attitude toward Julian, and what he should have received upon his father's death, and her attitude toward anything Beatle related, especially the other band members when John was alive show a different side to the young Yoko which we see in the picture above. Just sayin.....
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Post by stavros on Dec 3, 2015 18:16:30 GMT -5
Also many years ago a woman radio DJ ,I don't remember her name,was asked what she thought about Yoko and she said something like,she likes anyone who can turn a sexist Northern Liverpool guy into a feminist! And also many years ago some web site had a list of the greatest women singers and Yoko was number 9,and it said that she got John to give up his misogyny(woman-hatred!) And thank her so much for that! Dear God if Yoko was number 9 (is that significant?) in a list of the greatest woman singers that doesn't say a lot for women singers! She is and always was an avant-garde artist. As I have already pointed out I am not defending Andy Peebles here. He could have and should have kept his thoughts to himself. He could have still referred back to his 1980s Lennon interviews in a positive light for some grand self promotion and we would be probably be talking about his words differently. Nearly six years ago there was a thread I started: Yoko's influence and it's consequencesI don't think my opinion has changed in the years that have passed.I don't think Yoko split up the Beatles and I think she might just have saved John from a complete nervous breakdown or something even worse. However I have always thought that once the Beatles split she was one of the reasons John and Paul remained so distant. The only time Paul and John appeared to be getting close again was when John was on his 'lost weekend'. There is of course the story of Paul & John in the Dakota watching SNL. But it appears this was the last time they saw each other and although the friendship didn't completely crumble it became a distant one once again. Yoko became more conciliatory towards the other Beatles after John passed away. But I do feel that, either directly or indirectly, her presence was a block to John and Paul becoming friends again during the 1970s and preventing any Beatles reunion (Clapton didn't invite them to his wedding either). Perhaps in the greater scheme of things that was unimportant and John really was a subdued feminist house husband and was happy with his lot. But John changed his mind like he changed his underwear. Andy Peebles is wrong to attack Yoko in what seems a particularly nasty piece. But I also think there is a very grey area when it comes to Yoko Ono's relationship with John Lennon and it's impact on the dynamic of the Beatles as a working band and after their breakup.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 4, 2015 21:37:38 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 5, 2015 2:17:55 GMT -5
Welcome back Lucy! I agree with much of your writings.
I would say in defense of John that while he did treat his girlfriends and wives very poorly at times(even Yoko as we know), there were times he showed great kindness and loving. And as to women in general, John had nothing but respect for the strong women in his family like Mimi and her sisters. In fact, we have all read how those women ran their families and John has said the men were the idiots.
So he was raised by and saw strong women in action and respected that. He had difficulty applying that in his own relationships and that might be because Mimi brought him up to believe he was better than everyone else and Mimi herself had no respect for John's early girlfriends and even Cynthia but as you say, Yoko forced him to improve.
I get weary of John being called a monster as to women when Paul and George had their own skeletons in the closet. Hell, Olivia all but comes out in that recent documentary film and admits that George cheated on her and often. And Paul, I don't want to even start. Nancy is the biggest doormat wife in the world. Can she even speak anymore or are her vocal chords permanently damaged from lack of use?!
The Beatles were the product of their times and culture as to women. They are still light years better than a lot of celebrities these days especially in the Hip Hop community or even their contemporaries like the Stones.
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Post by stavros on Dec 12, 2015 16:21:52 GMT -5
I just caught this interview with Andy Peebles on the rather obscure channel Showbiz TV. He is nothing but respectful to John and Yoko in this interview which is in sharp contrast to the Daily Mail interview. Some of you may not be aware of the Daily Mail's reputation here in Britain. It is known as the "Daily Fail" and is the voice of bigoted Britain to many people due to it's far right wing slant and often sloppy journalism. So perhaps Peebles words were twisted out of context. Of course he could just have been on his best behaviour for the TV interview or it was carefully edited as well. They have another program scheduled in the early hours of the morning "The Beatles: Parting Ways" which has been on Youtube for a while. It's not the best of documentaries but at least takes the Beatles story beyond 1970.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 4:19:34 GMT -5
The problem for Yoko is someone needed to be blamed for John transforming himself from mop top John to extremely wacko John at the same time he hooked up with Yoko.
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 13, 2015 13:26:22 GMT -5
The problem for Yoko is someone needed to be blamed for John transforming himself from mop top John to extremely wacko John at the same time he hooked up with Yoko. John's increased drug use in '68 and '69 certainly contributed to his wacked out personality and growing lack of interest in his band. Yoko was just the icing on the cake so to speak.....John was always really looking for a mother-figure his whole life. If only Julia hadn't been killed...... John got his head screwed back on straight in the late 70's. If he hadn't been murdered, who knows what would have transpired regarding his old band and his marraige to Yoko. Statistics show 1 of every 2 marraiges fails. What are the odds their's would have survived with John actually emotionally mature within his own skin? Just sayin'.
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