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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 3:10:22 GMT -5
I grew up in the vinyl era, definitely not nonsense. It may well be nonsense to turn a blind eye to vinyls downside. I guess you grew up not caring for your records and playing them on mediocre equipment, then. I also grew up in the vinyl era, and I had no problems when I got older and stopped playing records on a toy phonograph. By the way, I see you have twice now avoided the basic point: that you claim it should be "as The Beatles and George Martin intended", and yet you really don't subscribe to that... The Beatles UK releases were all re-released on cd when that medium became the # 1 medium for listening to music. The Beatles and or their estates, George Martin and EMI all intended for us to renew our listening experience on this new medium as they sat back and watched their collective bank balances balloon as we restocked our Beatles collections via this digital format. A 2nd bite at the cherry. These weren't hybrid releases, these were the same original UK releases on a new medium. Everytime i add milk to a bowl of Rice Bubbles the sound reminds me of a vinyl record.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 10, 2015 6:41:01 GMT -5
The Beatles UK releases were all re-released on cd when that medium became the # 1 medium for listening to music. The Beatles and or their estates, George Martin and EMI all intended for us to renew our listening experience on this new medium as they sat back and watched their collective bank balances balloon as we restocked our Beatles collections via this digital format. A 2nd bite at the cherry. These weren't hybrid releases, these were the same original UK releases on a new medium. You originally stated that you wanted the releases as intended, including EP's and 45's ... (not the stray tracks culled together on compilations such as PAST MASTERS, in other words). All those RARITIES and PAST MASTERS singles songs wound up being compiled exactly like the Capitol LPs did. I never hear anything like that when I listen properly to a clean record on proper equipment ...and neither do the vinyl collectors of the world. You just have some bizarre pre-conceived and wrong-headed stereotyped prejudice against Vinyl. That's your problem and I really am not interested what you think of records, but the latest box set of MONO Re-issues, for example, do not sound like a bowl of Rice Bubbles (nor Rice Krispies for that matter).
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 10, 2015 12:35:17 GMT -5
I know you can get an attachment to send a radio signal from your iPod to your car stereo. Can you get one to send a signal from you turn table to a transistor radio? Seriously, there is no reason why bluetooth technology can't be applied to a vinyl record player to transmit the signal to any set of speakers also equipped if you would prefer that medium.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 10, 2015 17:56:57 GMT -5
I know you can get an attachment to send a radio signal from your iPod to your car stereo. Can you get one to send a signal from you turn table to a transistor radio? Seriously, there is no reason why bluetooth technology can't be applied to a vinyl record player to transmit the signal to any set of speakers also equipped if you would prefer that medium. Nooooo, it's got to have tinny transistor radio sound and that over the air static!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 0:52:07 GMT -5
The Beatles UK releases were all re-released on cd when that medium became the # 1 medium for listening to music. The Beatles and or their estates, George Martin and EMI all intended for us to renew our listening experience on this new medium as they sat back and watched their collective bank balances balloon as we restocked our Beatles collections via this digital format. A 2nd bite at the cherry. These weren't hybrid releases, these were the same original UK releases on a new medium. You originally stated that you wanted the releases as intended, including EP's and 45's ... (not the stray tracks culled together on compilations such as PAST MASTERS, in other words). All those RARITIES and PAST MASTERS singles songs wound up being compiled exactly like the Capitol LPs did. I never hear anything like that when I listen properly to a clean record on proper equipment ...and neither do the vinyl collectors of the world. You just have some bizarre pre-conceived and wrong-headed stereotyped prejudice against Vinyl. That's your problem and I really am not interested what you think of records, but the latest box set of MONO Re-issues, for example, do not sound like a bowl of Rice Bubbles (nor Rice Krispies for that matter). I didn't grow up with the hybrid American Beatles albums, i find them to be a novelty. Even more so when John and Paul sound like their singing with a mouth full of Rice Krispies, if you were to listen to the hybrids on vinyl. I'm not sure why the Yanks didn't just accept they were slow to catch on and then release the real Beatles albums until they were up to Beatle speed with the rest of the world.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 11, 2015 7:30:01 GMT -5
I didn't grow up with the hybrid American Beatles albums, i find them to be a novelty. Even more so when John and Paul sound like their singing with a mouth full of Rice Krispies, if you were to listen to the hybrids on vinyl. Maybe on your faulty equipment they sounded poor. Sorry that you didn't know how to care for records. (By the way, it's "they're" when you mean to say "they are"... not "their"). Too bad the so-called "real Beatles albums" were missing so many singles and EP tracks and often had weaker sequencing decisions. A real mess too, when trying to collect them all in various formats to get all the songs -- and to keep changing the turntable speeds from 33&1/3 rpm to 45 rpm. I'm glad the whole world (and especially the UK) eventually got up to Beatle speed with the great US MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR LP !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 8:07:05 GMT -5
I didn't grow up with the hybrid American Beatles albums, i find them to be a novelty. Even more so when John and Paul sound like their singing with a mouth full of Rice Krispies, if you were to listen to the hybrids on vinyl. Maybe on your faulty equipment they sounded poor. Sorry that you didn't know how to care for records. (By the way, it's "they're" when you mean to say "they are"... not "their"). Too bad the so-called "real Beatles albums" were missing so many singles and EP tracks and often had weaker sequencing decisions. A real mess too, when trying to collect them all in various formats to get all the songs -- and to keep changing the turntable speeds from 33&1/3 rpm to 45 rpm. I'm glad the whole world (and especially the UK) eventually got up to Beatle speed with the great US MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR LP ! The Magical Mystery Tour LP, that's the only thing the Yanks can really lay claim to. I quite like it, the MM album,on cd or mp3, but not on the outdated vinyl format. BTW, i was quite anal with my vinyl album collection back in the day. That didn't stop the Rice Bubble issue. No wonder the Yanks were so into Free As a Bird and Real Love, they grew up on hybrid Beatles records. They don't know any different.
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 11, 2015 13:51:54 GMT -5
Maybe on your faulty equipment they sounded poor. Sorry that you didn't know how to care for records. (By the way, it's "they're" when you mean to say "they are"... not "their"). Too bad the so-called "real Beatles albums" were missing so many singles and EP tracks and often had weaker sequencing decisions. A real mess too, when trying to collect them all in various formats to get all the songs -- and to keep changing the turntable speeds from 33&1/3 rpm to 45 rpm. I'm glad the whole world (and especially the UK) eventually got up to Beatle speed with the great US MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR LP ! The Magical Mystery Tour LP, that's the only thing the Yanks can really lay claim to. I quite like it, the MM album,on cd or mp3, but not on the outdated vinyl format. BTW, i was quite anal with my vinyl album collection back in the day. That didn't stop the Rice Bubble issue. No wonder the Yanks were so into Free As a Bird and Real Love, they grew up on hybrid Beatles records. They don't know any different. If it hadn't been for all the Yanks Rhythm & Blues roots and records;(Most Black American Groups in the late 50's and early 60's), and White American Rock & Roll album records from the likes of Elvis, Buddy Holly and The Crickets, Bill Haley & The Comets, et.al from the late 50's & 60's, that wound up in the hands of young Brit bands at the time, four lads in Liverpool never would have gotten the musical influence and education they needed to create their unique "hybrid" sound which shook the entire world of pop music to it's core....
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 11, 2015 14:37:56 GMT -5
Hey, thinking about Rubber Soul again, in the Esquire piece sayne linked us to in the first post here the writer said Ringo Starr's RS drumming was, "at best, nondescript."
What says the gang here? Was Ringo's drumming better than nondescript on RS?
And going to the Esquire article's bigger point, was RS overrated?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 22:51:19 GMT -5
Hey, thinking about Rubber Soul again, in the Esquire piece sayne linked us to in the first post here the writer said Ringo Starr's RS drumming was, "at best, nondescript." What says the gang here? Was Ringo's drumming better than nondescript on RS? And going to the Esquire article's bigger point, was RS overrated? Which version of Rubber Soul was the article referring to.I read this comparison on wiki, The American edition differed markedly from its British counterpart. Four tracks were removed and set aside for the next American album, Yesterday and Today: "Drive My Car", "Nowhere Man", "What Goes On" and "If I Needed Someone". These were replaced with two tracks from the UK Help! album: "I've Just Seen a Face" and "It's Only Love". The total time was 28:55, nearly 7 minutes shorter than the British version. Ringo's drumming was better than nondescript, especially on What Goes On, if that is on your version of Rubber Soul.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 16:41:01 GMT -5
The newest *big thing* in American Pop music in 1965 was "Folk Rock" (next to: an act as incredibly disparate as Herb Alpert and The Tijuana Brass...the only artist, by the way, from '64-'69 to outsell BOTH the Beatles and Elvis). So, for a then-50-y.o. like DAVE DEXTER to have even been remotely tuned-into what: the Byrds, Dylan going electric, and Barry McGuire (whose "Eve of Destruction", probably?, made Dexter keep the similarly nihilistic-sounding RUN FOR YOUR LIFE as a twelfth track on the Capitol Rubber Soul; rather than cutting it down to 11 as he usually did) were doing most of that year...deserves *s o m e* credit. And to think(?): if there hadn't been (the Capitol) Rubber Soul...then: Brian Wilson doesn't try to up-the-ante with PET SOUNDS...which: Paul has clearly stated ten-times-over inspired the production concept behind PEPPER .
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 4, 2018 13:39:01 GMT -5
The newest *big thing* in American Pop music in 1965 was "Folk Rock" (next to: an act as incredibly disparate as Herb Alpert and The Tijuana Brass...the only artist, by the way, from '64-'69 to outsell BOTH the Beatles and Elvis). So, for a then-50-y.o. like DAVE DEXTER to have even been remotely tuned-into what: the Byrds, Dylan going electric, and Barry McGuire (whose "Eve of Destruction", probably?, made Dexter keep the similarly nihilistic-sounding RUN FOR YOUR LIFE as a twelfth track on the Capitol Rubber Soul; rather than cutting it down to 11 as he usually did) were doing most of that year...deserves *s o m e* credit. And to think(?): if there hadn't been (the Capitol) Rubber Soul...then: Brian Wilson doesn't try to up-the-ante with PET SOUNDS...which: Paul has clearly stated ten-times-over inspired the production concept behind PEPPER . Has Brian Wilson said that he was inspired by the U.S. Rubber Soul? That would make all the sense in the world except that Brian was a rich, hip Pop Star who would have been aware of the differences in albums as it was probably happening to his band and he could afford "imported" versions of Beatles' albums.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 4, 2018 16:52:13 GMT -5
You are probably right John. Pet Sounds sounds more like the colourful art pop British Rubber Soul than the folkier American version.
And at 28:55, Dexter couldn't really stand to lose another track.
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