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Post by sayne on Apr 2, 2016 17:45:57 GMT -5
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 2, 2016 18:35:44 GMT -5
I think Paul knew John got the Grammy. He got it the same time Paul got his for Michelle. Song of the Year goes to the writers, Lennon and McCartney in this case. They both got one for A Hard Day's Night too.
John Paul and George all got a Grammy for Let it Be, as the songwriters. (Sorry Ringo.)
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Post by kc on Apr 2, 2016 19:31:20 GMT -5
I think Paul knew John got the Grammy. He got it the same time Paul got his for Michelle. Song of the Year goes to the writers, Lennon and McCartney in this case. They both got one for A Hard Day's Night too. John Paul and George all got a Grammy for Let it Be, as the songwriters. (Sorry Ringo.) Yes. Dowlding gives McCartney 70% and Lennon 30% of the song writing credit.
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Post by sayne on Apr 2, 2016 20:34:51 GMT -5
I think Paul knew John got the Grammy. He got it the same time Paul got his for Michelle. Song of the Year goes to the writers, Lennon and McCartney in this case. They both got one for A Hard Day's Night too. John Paul and George all got a Grammy for Let it Be, as the songwriters. (Sorry Ringo.) Yes, I know all that. I was trying to make funny allusion to the fact that nowhere in the article does in mention anything about Paul having been a co-writer, let alone the main writer. It looks like John was the only writer. The article also ends with "let it be," a non-John song, to boot.
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 2, 2016 21:27:54 GMT -5
I think Paul knew John got the Grammy. He got it the same time Paul got his for Michelle. Song of the Year goes to the writers, Lennon and McCartney in this case. They both got one for A Hard Day's Night too. John Paul and George all got a Grammy for Let it Be, as the songwriters. (Sorry Ringo.) Yes, I know all that. I was trying to make funny allusion to the fact that nowhere in the article does in mention anything about Paul having been a co-writer, let alone the main writer. It looks like John was the only writer. The article also ends with "let it be," a non-John song, to boot. Okay. I didn't catch that. But it does make you wonder if the writer even knows Michelle was mainly a Paul song, sung by Paul. To him, Let it Be is just a Beatle reference. I personally don't think Paul would sweat it though.
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Post by scousette on Apr 2, 2016 21:57:07 GMT -5
I think Paul knew John got the Grammy. He got it the same time Paul got his for Michelle. Song of the Year goes to the writers, Lennon and McCartney in this case. They both got one for A Hard Day's Night too. John Paul and George all got a Grammy for Let it Be, as the songwriters. (Sorry Ringo.) Yes, I know all that. I was trying to make funny allusion to the fact that nowhere in the article does in mention anything about Paul having been a co-writer, let alone the main writer. It looks like John was the only writer. The article also ends with "let it be," a non-John song, to boot. sayne, you should know by now that humor lacks among the John v Paul contingent.
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 2, 2016 22:27:51 GMT -5
Yes, I know all that. I was trying to make funny allusion to the fact that nowhere in the article does in mention anything about Paul having been a co-writer, let alone the main writer. It looks like John was the only writer. The article also ends with "let it be," a non-John song, to boot. sayne, you should know by now that humor lacks among the John v Paul contingent. And yet I, a big John and Paul fan, am the one who stepped on his joke by missing the humor.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 3, 2016 13:49:07 GMT -5
I think Paul knew John got the Grammy. He got it the same time Paul got his for Michelle. Song of the Year goes to the writers, Lennon and McCartney in this case. They both got one for A Hard Day's Night too. John Paul and George all got a Grammy for Let it Be, as the songwriters. (Sorry Ringo.) Yes. Dowlding gives McCartney 70% and Lennon 30% of the song writing credit. What does Many Years From Now say? Probably 95% Paul and 5% John. "Michelle" would fit on a comp called Purer McCartney.
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Post by kc on Apr 3, 2016 16:56:45 GMT -5
Yes. Dowlding gives McCartney 70% and Lennon 30% of the song writing credit. What does Many Years From Now say? Probably 95% Paul and 5% John. You will have to check that one out yourself, JSD. My copy is in storage, hidden amongst about another thousand books.
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Post by Panther on Apr 3, 2016 18:42:26 GMT -5
Many Years From Now is sitting on the shelf beside me as I type, so... (looks it up)....
"It was one of Paul's oldest melodies, written when he was still at the Liverpool Institute."
PAUL: 'Michelle' was a tune I'd written in Chet Atkins' finger-pickin' style.
(Goes on to explain that the young Beatles were impressed by Chet Atkins' facility in playing the bass-line at the same time as the melody line on guitar, so the Michelle-melody was Paul's attempt at doing that... Colin Manley of the Remo Four was good at it... John later learned it from Donovan or Gypsy Dave, Paul never learned it... Paul's early version of this song was just an "instrumental in C".)
(At art-school student parties held by Austin Mitchell -- one of John's tutors -- in Liverpool, Paul used to sit in his turtleneck and play the 'Michelle' melody to try to impress girls and seem 'French' and bohemian. John knew this was one of Paul's ploys to pull girls.)
PAUL: "Years later, John said, 'D'you remember that French thing you used to do at Mitchell's parties?' I said yes. He said, 'Well, that's a good tune. You should do something with that.' We were always looking for tunes because we were making lots of albums by then and every album you did needed fourteen songs, and then there were singles in between, so you needed a lot of material, so I did."
(Goes on to explain how he'd kept up the friendship with Ivan Vaughn, whose wife, Jan, was a French teacher. They visited Paul one day in 1965 and she helped Paul with the basic French lyrics in the song. Paul then brags a bit about the jazzy chord -- on the word "belle" -- that was taught to the young Beatles by jazz guitarist Jim Gretty, who worked behind the counter at Frank Hessey's guitar-shop in Liverpool.)
"John had been listening to Nina Simone's 'I Put a Spell on You', which repeats the line, "I love you, I love you..." and when Paul hummed the song through to John, he suggested using those words, with the emphasis changed to the word 'love', as a middle eight."
Apparently Barry Miles put the John/Nina Simone thing to Paul -- Paul himself didn't suggest it -- because the next passage has Paul's reaction to this bit. He says:
PAUL: 'The "I love you, I love you, I love you" wasn't in the original. The original was just the chorus. That sounds like Nina Simone, I can see that. I'll give him ten points for that.'
So, according to the Paul-ometer, it's 90% Paul, 10% John. Further updates as Paul's ego sensitivity warrants.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 4, 2016 19:55:28 GMT -5
Thanks Panther! I was close guessing 95% Paul, 5% John! Still not pure McCartney! But with Sir George Martin gone, I look for Paul to make "Michelle" pure McCartney in the next 3 to 6 months!
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Post by scousette on Apr 4, 2016 20:41:59 GMT -5
Jan Vaughan should have a co-writing credit for writing the French lyrics. She was shafted.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 4, 2016 22:38:17 GMT -5
Jan Vaughan should have a co-writing credit for writing the French lyrics. She was shafted. I am all for that. Even less pure McCartney!
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Post by scousette on Apr 4, 2016 23:40:23 GMT -5
Jan Vaughan should have a co-writing credit for writing the French lyrics. She was shafted. I am all for that. Even less pure McCartney! Mort Shuman got a writing credit for translating Jacques Brel's lyrics from French into English. So did Rod McKuen. Justice for Jan Vaughan!
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 5, 2016 18:40:29 GMT -5
Did he just tell Paul how to say "These are words that go together well"?
It's not like he took line per line and wrote something that rhymed and sounded like a song.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 10, 2016 16:07:15 GMT -5
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 10, 2016 16:13:11 GMT -5
Thanks Panther! I was close guessing 95% Paul, 5% John! Still not pure McCartney! But with Sir George Martin gone, I look for Paul to make "Michelle" pure McCartney in the next 3 to 6 months! After 50 years!? I don't think so.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 12, 2016 3:27:18 GMT -5
And there was me thinking that, like all Beatles Lennon-McCartney (or McCartney-Lennon) songs, it was frickin' LENNON-MCCARTNEY no matter who wrote what proportion, because they were all run through the L/M sausage machine even if the positive contribution from the other one was "I have nothing to add to that."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 4:55:13 GMT -5
The lyrics aren't too bad in this song, in my mind that makes John's contribution much larger than what he gets credit for. As for what's written in a Barry Miles book, i'm thinking he would only write what Paul approves, so for me, Barry has zero credibility.
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