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Post by sallyg on Dec 31, 2016 15:30:19 GMT -5
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Post by winstonoboogie on Jan 1, 2017 22:53:33 GMT -5
It would be nice if he played Australia - for fabfour's sake anyway! Also Florida again.....
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Post by RockoRoll on Jan 4, 2017 3:53:05 GMT -5
This is ridiculous? Its what his 3rd time he's performing in Japan (won't mention Argentina?) in these last 3 to 4 years? Australia's next door, and he hasn't shown his face since 1993? (23 years?).......If he doesn't show up this year, and at least come and see his cousins, well that's it for Macca ever visiting us Down Under? Paul slammed by Aussie FansIt would be nice if he played Australia - for fabfour's sake anyway! Also Florida again.....
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Post by sayne on Jan 4, 2017 9:28:37 GMT -5
Okay, let's take this all at face value. He cancelled his shows back in 2002 because of low ticket sales. So, that means he really wasn't wanted, for no other place in the world had low sales for him. Next, he's receiving a lot of name-calling and criticism. Is that how to get him there? "Gee, Honey, you're a lousy cook. When's dinner ready?" Seems to me that Australia deserves to be skipped. Continue to be loving fans, keep the invitation open, urge him to come with positive campaigns and you will have a better chance. "Hey, Paul, we hate you! Will you come tour our country?" Yeah, that will get him there.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 4, 2017 10:48:10 GMT -5
Okay, let's take this all at face value. He cancelled his shows back in 2002 because of low ticket sales. So, that means he really wasn't wanted, for no other place in the world had low sales for him. Next, he's receiving a lot of name-calling and criticism. Is that how to get him there? "Gee, Honey, you're a lousy cook. When's dinner ready?" Seems to me that Australia deserves to be skipped. Continue to be loving fans, keep the invitation open, urge him to come with positive campaigns and you will have a better chance. "Hey, Paul, we hate you! Will you come tour our country?" Yeah, that will get him there. Is everyone viewed the same? So every single Australian deserves to be ignored just because of some naysayers?
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Post by sayne on Jan 4, 2017 13:07:25 GMT -5
Okay, let's take this all at face value. He cancelled his shows back in 2002 because of low ticket sales. So, that means he really wasn't wanted, for no other place in the world had low sales for him. Next, he's receiving a lot of name-calling and criticism. Is that how to get him there? "Gee, Honey, you're a lousy cook. When's dinner ready?" Seems to me that Australia deserves to be skipped. Continue to be loving fans, keep the invitation open, urge him to come with positive campaigns and you will have a better chance. "Hey, Paul, we hate you! Will you come tour our country?" Yeah, that will get him there. Is everyone viewed the same? So every single Australian deserves to be ignored just because of some naysayers? No, but that's life. Paul owes Australia nothing, and vice versa. Besides, there are places that Paul has never been to or hasn't been to in a very long time: India, Phillipines, Maine, Finland, Mongolia, China/Taiwan, Panama, etc. Yeah, it is odd that Australia, among all, has not been visited for a long time. It's part of the white, English speaking Commonwealth. I'd be surprised if 2017 didn't happen Down Under.
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Post by kc on Jan 4, 2017 16:05:50 GMT -5
I explained my take on this last time around, so I won’t bore everyone by repeating myself in detail. I’ll just say I think this is indeed about prospective sales. He tours a lot where he is still very popular as a live attraction, e.g the U.S. and South America. He doesn’t often tour where he is only able to fill a few big shows, e.g. the U.K. and other parts of Europe. He doesn’t tour where he can’t, or there is a risk he can’t, fill big shows, e.g. Australia.
Maybe I am completely wrong and there will be a big announcement of a full blown Australian tour soon, but I suspect not.
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Post by kc on Jan 4, 2017 16:09:06 GMT -5
He cancelled his shows back in 2002 because of low ticket sales. So, that means he really wasn't wanted, for no other place in the world had low sales for him. Next, he's receiving a lot of name-calling and criticism. Is that how to get him there?..."Hey, Paul, we hate you! Will you come tour our country?" Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?
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Post by stavros on Jan 4, 2017 17:00:18 GMT -5
Blimey! I didn't realize Paul hasn't visited Oz since 1993.
Perhaps he was just never big down under?
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Post by sayne on Jan 4, 2017 22:08:12 GMT -5
I explained my take on this last time around, so I won’t bore everyone by repeating myself in detail. I’ll just say I think this is indeed about prospective sales. He tours a lot where he is still very popular as a live attraction, e.g the U.S. and South America. He doesn’t often tour where he is only able to fill a few big shows, e.g. the U.K. and other parts of Europe. He doesn’t tour where he can’t, or there is a risk he can’t, fill big shows, e.g. Australia. Maybe I am completely wrong and there will be a big announcement of a full blown Australian tour soon, but I suspect not. Where is the evidence that he has not sold out or nearly sold out anywhere? I think he's looking at the downside of touring so he wants to go to places where he has not been before. That's why he's hit a lot of 2nd and 3rd tier places like Salt Lake City, Warsaw, Verona, Edmonton, San Diego, Tulsa, Lubbock, and across South America. If one looks at the places he's played since he started touring regularly in 2003, he's done the UK and Europe good. I think he needs to hit India and Africa.
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Post by kc on Jan 4, 2017 22:22:56 GMT -5
I explained my take on this last time around, so I won’t bore everyone by repeating myself in detail. I’ll just say I think this is indeed about prospective sales. He tours a lot where he is still very popular as a live attraction, e.g the U.S. and South America. He doesn’t often tour where he is only able to fill a few big shows, e.g. the U.K. and other parts of Europe. He doesn’t tour where he can’t, or there is a risk he can’t, fill big shows, e.g. Australia. Maybe I am completely wrong and there will be a big announcement of a full blown Australian tour soon, but I suspect not. Where is the evidence that he has not sold out or nearly sold out anywhere? I think he's looking at the downside of touring so he wants to go to places where he has not been before. That's why he's hit a lot of 2nd and 3rd tier places like Salt Lake City, Warsaw, Verona, Edmonton, San Diego, Tulsa, Lubbock, and across South America. If one looks at the places he's played since he started touring regularly in 2003, he's done the UK and Europe good. I think he needs to hit India and Africa. Australia, in 2002.
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Post by sayne on Jan 5, 2017 8:00:57 GMT -5
Where is the evidence that he has not sold out or nearly sold out anywhere? I think he's looking at the downside of touring so he wants to go to places where he has not been before. That's why he's hit a lot of 2nd and 3rd tier places like Salt Lake City, Warsaw, Verona, Edmonton, San Diego, Tulsa, Lubbock, and across South America. If one looks at the places he's played since he started touring regularly in 2003, he's done the UK and Europe good. I think he needs to hit India and Africa. Australia, in 2002. You said, He doesn’t often tour where he is only able to fill a few big shows, e.g. the U.K. and other parts of Europe. He doesn’t tour where he can’t, or there is a risk he can’t, fill big shows, e.g. Australia.I think your first sentence is not accurate. Yeah, I guess technically you're correct. Sales were slow in Australia. But, if you look at his post 2003 tour history (even before, if you'd like), you will see that his touring is expansive. He's giving the hinterlands a chance. So, if he sells out or nearly sells out EVERYWHERE, but didn't come close down under, I suppose that says more about Australia than him. Having said that. I feel that the Aussie drought will be over.
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Post by kc on Jan 5, 2017 17:31:02 GMT -5
You said, He doesn’t often tour where he is only able to fill a few big shows, e.g. the U.K. and other parts of Europe. He doesn’t tour where he can’t, or there is a risk he can’t, fill big shows, e.g. Australia. I think your first sentence is not accurate. Yeah, I guess technically you're correct. Sales were slow in Australia. But, if you look at his post 2003 tour history (even before, if you'd like), you will see that his touring is expansive. He's giving the hinterlands a chance. So, if he sells out or nearly sells out EVERYWHERE, but didn't come close down under, I suppose that says more about Australia than him. Having said that. I feel that the Aussie drought will be over. And I think that is right. To me it says that he isn’t as popular amongst Australians as he once was, and that is the crux of the matter as far as tours go. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not angry or resentful that he hasn’t toured here in such a long time. I don’t necessarily disagree when you say he doesn’t owe us anything and vice versa. I’m assuming it is simply a valid business decision on his part. If Paul does in fact announce a full Australian stadium tour for 2017 and it is a big success I will admit that I have been wrong about his ongoing popularity in this country. On the other hand, if it results in half full stadiums I will feel justified in my view. If he does a tour of smaller venues I feel that also would tend to support my argument. Of course, at the moment, no tour has been announced. I will comment about the European aspect soon.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 5, 2017 19:59:48 GMT -5
Is everyone viewed the same? So every single Australian deserves to be ignored just because of some naysayers? No, but that's life. Ah. Interesting. I suppose the poor Australians do not enjoy the same level of PC as some other groups do. Imagine saying "that's life" to certain people.
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Post by sayne on Jan 5, 2017 20:19:42 GMT -5
. . . If he does a tour of smaller venues I feel that also would tend to support my argument . . . I don't think he looks at a city's venues to determine if he should play there or not. In some towns, they have big stadiums and he's played in their arenas, instead. Some places only have arenas, but it hasn't prevented him from playing there over another city with a stadium. I wouldn't think that if Paul did an arena tour of Australia, rather than a stadium tour, would mean anything - other than maybe costs.
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Post by sayne on Jan 5, 2017 20:27:51 GMT -5
Ah. Interesting. I suppose the poor Australians do not enjoy the same level of PC as some other groups do. Imagine saying "that's life" to certain people. It's all about context. Sometimes things are not fair, and sometimes things are discriminatory. We're talking about a pop tour, not voting rights.
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Post by kc on Mar 14, 2017 21:45:14 GMT -5
I have been a long time getting back to this, so sorry for that. I was taking my time assembling some statistics about how many shows Paul has performed in various locations. The figures presented (from Wikipedia and PM’s official site) may not be exact, but I think they give a pretty good overview of the extent of his official tour shows in the twenty first century in any case. It is obvious from these figures that this century Paul has primarily played in the U.S. I will face up to my responsibilities though and admit that he has delivered more performances in the U.K./Europe than I previously suggested. However, those shows only constitute about half his U.S./Canadian ones. That seems strange to me. The conclusion I reach is that he is more popular as a live attraction in North America than in his home country/continent. Furthermore, up to this point, he has played less in the U.K./Europe this decade (the 2010s) than last. Moreover, he has played fewer shows in Europe less the U.K. than in Latin America this decade as well. Of course, that may subsequently change by the end of 2019.
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 15, 2017 17:28:13 GMT -5
I have been a long time getting back to this, so sorry for that. I was taking my time assembling some statistics about how many shows Paul has performed in various locations. The figures presented (from Wikipedia and PM’s official site) may not be exact, but I think they give a pretty good overview of the extent of his official tour shows in the twenty first century in any case. It is obvious from these figures that this century Paul has primarily played in the U.S. I will face up to my responsibilities though and admit that he has delivered more performances in the U.K./Europe than I previously suggested. However, those shows only constitute about half his U.S./Canadian ones. That seems strange to me. The conclusion I reach is that he is more popular as a live attraction in North America than in his home country/continent. Furthermore, up to this point, he has played less in the U.K./Europe this decade (the 2010s) than last. Moreover, he has played fewer shows in Europe less the U.K. than in Latin America this decade as well. Of course, that may subsequently change by the end of 2019. View AttachmentSo who do you think offers Macca the biggest fees when he tours???
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Post by kc on Mar 15, 2017 21:09:35 GMT -5
I have been a long time getting back to this, so sorry for that. I was taking my time assembling some statistics about how many shows Paul has performed in various locations. The figures presented (from Wikipedia and PM’s official site) may not be exact, but I think they give a pretty good overview of the extent of his official tour shows in the twenty first century in any case. It is obvious from these figures that this century Paul has primarily played in the U.S. I will face up to my responsibilities though and admit that he has delivered more performances in the U.K./Europe than I previously suggested. However, those shows only constitute about half his U.S./Canadian ones. That seems strange to me. The conclusion I reach is that he is more popular as a live attraction in North America than in his home country/continent. Furthermore, up to this point, he has played less in the U.K./Europe this decade (the 2010s) than last. Moreover, he has played fewer shows in Europe less the U.K. than in Latin America this decade as well. Of course, that may subsequently change by the end of 2019. View AttachmentSo who do you think offers Macca the biggest fees when he tours??? I have a sneaking suspicion who it is and who it isn't.
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 21, 2017 11:58:13 GMT -5
Australia, 1975. I don't recall having seen this.
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Post by sallyg on Apr 23, 2017 7:30:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 6:29:12 GMT -5
Blimey! I didn't realize Paul hasn't visited Oz since 1993. Perhaps he was just never big down under? Heather Mills found something down there that she liked, that liking made her a few bob in the end.
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 25, 2017 17:26:11 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 25, 2017 22:36:11 GMT -5
I would always want "Band On The Run" played at any Macca concert no matter if Paul changed the arrangement. I pray to God daily though that he drop "Hey Jude" and "Let It Be" from the set list. "Now the people in the middle" and "You were great, and you were great and you were great" has about ruined "Hey Jude" for me! Paul has trimmed that back certainly from 1989/1990.
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 25, 2017 22:56:20 GMT -5
I would always want "Band On The Run" played at any Macca concert no matter if Paul changed the arrangement. I pray to God daily though that he drop "Hey Jude" and "Let It Be" from the set list. "Now the people in the middle" and "You were great, and you were great and you were great" has about ruined "Hey Jude" for me! Paul has trimmed that back certainly from 1989/1990. I was surprised he never set Hey Jude up as a round, ala Row, Row, Row Your Boat.
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Post by vectisfabber on Apr 26, 2017 3:04:23 GMT -5
How's the croaking this time round?
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Post by OldFred on Apr 26, 2017 8:28:16 GMT -5
How's the croaking this time round?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 26, 2017 15:50:08 GMT -5
How's the croaking this time round? Guess I won't know until I see Paul in 2017 (and I intend to try to get to two different venues). It's always hit and miss with Paul in his 60s and 70s. However, I did see him in 2016 and thought he sounded good (if not age 21 or 27) , and I had a wonderful time at Paul's New Jersey show. I feel sorry for you that you can't seem to do the same, vectisfabber. But then again, for you it all ended around 1970 anyway so maybe you're best off staying home again.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 26, 2017 23:14:19 GMT -5
At lunch today I impulsively bought two tickets for Paul's July 25, 2017 concert at Tinley Park(Chicago)! I have been working on my bedsheet signs my friend and I will hold up to get Paul's attention. The first such sign says: "All we are saying is give 'Hey Jude' a rest!" The second bedsheet sign says " The JSD Postulate Lives!" I haven't seen Paul live since 2013.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 28, 2017 0:54:21 GMT -5
How's the croaking this time round? Guess I won't know until I see Paul in 2017 (and I intend to try to get to two different venues). It's always hit and miss with Paul in his 60s and 70s. However, I did see him in 2016 and thought he sounded good (if not age 21 or 27) , and I had a wonderful time at Paul's New Jersey show. I feel sorry for you that you can't seem to do the same, vectisfabber. But then again, for you it all ended around 1970 anyway so maybe you're best off staying home again. How much you going to spend on the tickets Joe? How many new songs do you think you will get in the show??
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