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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 14, 2008 19:34:17 GMT -5
Here's the set list, from paulmccartney.com:
Drive My Car Jet All My Loving Only Mama Knows Flaming Pie Got To Get You Into My Life Let Me Roll It C Moon My Love Let Em In The Long And Winding Road Dance Tonight Blackbird Calico Skies Follow The Sun Mrs Vanderbilt Elenor Rigby Something Good Day Sunshine Penny Lane Band On The Run Birthday Back In The USSR I Got A Feeling Live And Let Die Let It Be Hey Jude A Day In The Life/Give Peace A Chance Lady Madonna Get Back I Saw Her Standing There Yesterday Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 14, 2008 19:36:03 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 14, 2008 22:42:05 GMT -5
C Moon WTF? Open letter to Paul McCartney: Dear Paul, C Moon sucks big time in your setlist. It was an okay B-side in the 70's but in concert it is an absolute buzz kill! Drop it NOW! As to "Flaming Pie," it sucks in concert too, but only as you currently do it: standing up playing bass. This was a great piano boogie song. Get your ass back to the piano(your Let It Be piano not that MMT painted one) and rock out on the piano and it would be cool again. And go from "Flaming Pie"(while you're still at the piano) right into "1985" with the "BOTR" Reprise and see the stadium go up for grabs. But as it stands(and when you're standing), "Flaming Pie" is BORING. And let me get this straight, Chaos and Creation, one of your finest efforts ever, even with The Beatles, does not have one d**n song on your setlist!? And I don't mean "Fine Slime." Geez! And drop "Drive My Car" as an opener and use "Mumbo" instead. Your welcome, Macca. Steve, thank you for the pukey Smiley. I am fulfilled! But BOO on the censor thing for soft words like d**n, hell and nuts! Hey, when I typed the bad word for poop, it comes out as "nuts".
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 14, 2008 23:26:04 GMT -5
C Moon WTF? Open letter to Paul McCartney: Dear Paul, C Moon sucks big time in your setlist. It was an okay B-side in the 70's but in concert it is an absolute buzz kill! Drop it NOW! As to "Flaming Pie," it sucks in concert too, but only as you currently do it: standing up playing bass. This was a great piano boogie song. Get your ass back to the piano(your Let It Be piano not that MMT painted one) and rock out on the piano and it would be cool again. And go from "Flaming Pie"(while you're still at the piano) right into "1985" with the "BOTR" Reprise and see the stadium go up for grabs. But as it stands(and when you're standing), "Flaming Pie" is BORING. And let me get this straight, Chaos and Creation, one of your finest efforts ever, even with The Beatles, does not have one d**n song on your setlist!? And I don't mean "Fine Slime." Geez! And drop "Drive My Car" as an opener and use "Mumbo" instead. Your welcome, Macca. Steve, thank you for the pukey Smiley. I am fulfilled! But BOO on the censor thing for soft words like d**n, hell and nuts! Hey, when I typed the bad word for poop, it comes out as "nuts". John: I swear I didn't ban any words. I'll look at the configuration and see if it's automatic.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 14, 2008 23:29:10 GMT -5
Update: The censored words WERE a default for the board. I've removed them.
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Post by JMG on Jun 14, 2008 23:52:46 GMT -5
You damned right! Now I can say damn anytime I want and it won't look like I'm stuttering. Life is good.
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Post by RockoRoll on Jun 15, 2008 0:34:27 GMT -5
Mrs Vanderbilt, wow being a die-hard Wings supporter, that is a dream come true..... Can't wait to see/hear this one live....... (Juniors Farm and Letting Go are next.... ...) As with C-Moon and Flaming Pie, I'm with you JSD....... C-Moon is not bad, but Flaming Pie what does he see in this song, there are so many great songs on that album, why the boring title song, could have been replaced by "World Tonight", or better still from BOTR "Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five" Oh no, there's another boring and out of date track, "Let'em In"........ (great in the 70's, no not now)
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Post by kc on Jun 15, 2008 1:54:10 GMT -5
I must admit I don't understand Paul's persistance for including C Moon in his concerts. Maybe it brings back good memories for him or something. But, overall it looks like a good list to me. I know some people wish he would be more adventurous with his choices, but I can live with it. What about the concert itself? I've only seen one review and it did'nt really reveal much. It said that it was a very rainy night and that tens of thousands of fans turned up. In the week leading up to the concert there were reports of an expected crowd in the region of three hundred thousand, so "tens of thousands" might indicate that the larger figure was not approached.
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Post by RockoRoll on Jun 15, 2008 2:24:59 GMT -5
June 14, 2008 -- Yahoo News
Paul McCartney gives charity concert in Ukraine
Tens of thousands of people braved heavy rain and thunder Saturday night to see Paul McCartney perform a charity concert on Kiev's central Independence Square.
The outdoor show, the first in Ukraine for the former Beatle, was billed as the biggest concert ever in the former Soviet republic. It was broadcast live on national television and on giant screens in five cities.
After a half-hour delay because of the weather, McCartney, who turns 66 next week, came out on the stage and greeted the crowd in Ukrainian, before diving into the Beatles hit "Drive My Car."
He followed up with a series of Beatles songs, including "Hey Jude," "Let it Be," "Back in the U.S.S.R.," and "Penny Lane."
He returned for his encore waving a Ukrainian flag and finished off the two-hour show with a rendition of "Yesterday" and a musical finale, which was followed by fireworks.
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili was in attendance.
Before the concert, fans in five major cities sang Beatles songs in a live TV linkup with the capital.
The square where McCartney played was the site of the Orange Revolution in 2004, when peaceful mass protests overturned a fraudulent election and brought a pro-Western opposition leader to power.
Organizers said the money raised will be spent on diagnostic equipment for Ukraine's National Cancer Institute's children's department. Many children now seek treatment abroad because Ukraine lacks the necessary equipment.
The concert was free but the organizers were asking for donations from Ukrainian businessmen and others.
More than 500 people have contributed a total of about $600,000 and donations were continuing to come in, said Tatyana Overina, spokeswoman for the Victor Pinchuk Foundation, which organized the concert.
Pinchuk, a billionaire businessman and Ukraine's richest man, established the foundation in 2006 to contribute to the modernization of Ukraine and bring forward a new generation of Ukrainian leaders.
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Post by sexysadie on Jun 15, 2008 12:22:14 GMT -5
C Moon and Let 'Em In are two of Paul's most embarrassing songs. He might as well sing Mary Had a Little Lamb. I suspect he performs them for the same reason he does Dance Tonight--because he thinks they're fun. They aren't. Not anymore (if they ever were). His shows have become maddeningly predictable. Yeah, he'll throw in an occasional welcome detour, like Helter Skelter, Please Please Me, Too Many People, and now Day in the Life/Give Peace a Chance and Mrs. Vanderbuilt. But, for the most part, he keeps going back to the same well of songs--a never-changing foundation of signature songs like Let It Be, Long and Winding Road, ISHST, Eleanor Rigby, Hey Jude (just the ladies, now the men--arrrgh!), Lady Madonna, BOTR, Jet, LALD (oh, looky, fireworks!), Back in the USSR and Yesterday, and a revolving pool of stuff like Penny Lane, My Love, We Can Work It Out, Michelle, Good Day Sunshine, Birthday, Get Back, MMT, All My Loving, Paperback Writer, Sgt. Pepper's, etc. I'll Follow the Sun, Calico Skies, GTGYIML (despite increasing difficulty reaching the high notes), Something and Blackbird seem to have become staples as well. He even introduces songs like Something and Blackbird with the same stories over and over again. His set lists are geared to the casual fan, the guy or gal who owns "Beatles 1" and little else. Maybe it's time he started showing some love for the diehard fans, the ones who have stuck with him through thick and thin. Through C Moon and Let 'Em In, through (heaven help us) McCartney II, Press to Play and Driving Rain. Good grief, with or without the clunkers, he has a back catalogue most artists would kill for. I'd personally like to hear some real moldy oldies like "Hand" or "She Loves You." Those songs are golden to first-gen fans, who deserve a special shout-out for their now 40+ years of devotion.
The suggestion of 1985, with a segue into Band on the Run, is fabulous. In fact, I wish he would do more combinations like Day in the Life/GPAC. He could start with one of his songs, and segue into one of John's--an opportunity for some out-of-the box creativity, as would be a medley or two. For instance, do we really need to hear all of Yesterday for the 2,349th time? Why not use it in a medley a la Broad Street? There must be dozens of possibilities--although I must confess that I am partial to Wanderlust and For No One. Both beautiful melodies.
Credit where credit is due--Paul usually performs around three dozen songs in concert. He puts a lot of acts to shame in that regard. Of course, he don't come cheap, so the argument can be made that he should be giving value for money. He did what he had to do in Kiev, having never played there before. But if he tours again in the States, he should shake things up a bit. Okay, more than a bit--I sense the natives are getting restless. It shouldn't be all that hard to hit the right balance. Still, I'm not particularly hopeful. Cluelessness is Paul's stock-in-trade. Witness the choice of a second wife. One more thing--it might be time to retire ISHST. Kinda creepy listening to a 66-year-old man going all lusty for a 17-year-old girl.
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Post by theman on Jun 15, 2008 13:52:09 GMT -5
Great post Sadie. How anyone can spend upwards of $250 to see this unadventureous, lazy show is beyond me. Given the rise in quality of Paul's most recent albums, his concerts are a real disapointment (Mrs. Vanderbilt, notwithstanding).
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Post by cboxpalace on Jun 15, 2008 14:08:04 GMT -5
I love Flaming Pie, can't stand Let Me Roll It. I've always wondered with his tours since the 90's why he hasn't played Silly Love Songs. I was lucky enough to see his last tour, but once was enough. Too much money.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Jun 15, 2008 14:37:59 GMT -5
I've always wondered with his tours since the 90's why he hasn't played Silly Love Songs. My wife had the same question. I tried to start a petition before the last tour to add this song to the list. I suspect one reason he hasn't done it is that critics would all say, "Well, sir Paul is at it again, more silly love songs..." ...with the resultant snide comments, so I'm guessing he wants to avoid all that. Or maybe he just likes "C Moon" better. ;D
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Post by theman on Jun 15, 2008 20:07:10 GMT -5
Well, at least he played another Wings song that has never been done, I believe, in concert. At this rate, he might do "Helen Wheels" live in 2020.
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Post by theman on Jun 15, 2008 21:53:58 GMT -5
One other question on the oddity of Mrs. Vanderbilt being the #1 requested song for the Kiev concert. Wasn't it a single somewhere in Europe/Asia? I know it wasn't in the U.S. (or the U.K. I believe). Did it hit the charts in some far and distant land?
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Post by melody on Jun 16, 2008 10:49:45 GMT -5
Respectfully, I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but shouldn't we wait until Paul's next proper tour to trash his set-list - when he has a few weeks (not a few days or 1 week) to rehearse several never or rarely done songs? At that point, hopefully, C-Moon, Let Me Roll It, Calico Sky's, Flaming Pie, and several Beatle numbers (Drive My Car, Got To Get You Into My Life, Blackbird, BITUSSR, etc.) will be retired and new numbers inserted. He better keep Mrs. Vanderbilt on the set-list! Bluebird and 1985 might be nice too instead of Jet and BOTR. Add some of these and I'd be deleriously happy: Oo You, Uncle Albert, Junior's Farm, Helen's Wheels, Get On the Right Thing, Waterfalls, Daytime Night Suffering, The World Tonight, Too Much Rain, and something from WILD LIFE, maybe Tomorrow, or a shortened tighter version of Some People Never Know. Always liked 'Let 'em In'. Get past the simple name checking lyric to the metaphore behind it (breaking down barriers between people) and it's a big-hearted song with a hypnoticly simple but brilliant arrangement and very effective LIVE, and a meaningful choice for the Kiev audience. Silly Love Songs? NOOOOOOO!! Thumbing his nose at the critics came back to haunt him and best to leave it alone. IMHO... I'll be there, regardless. PS: Huray for the spellcheck! ;D
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Post by mikev on Jun 16, 2008 11:36:54 GMT -5
Okay I generally have agreed with everyone here on Paul getting repetitious, but a friend of mine from Greece finally got to see Paul in Liverpool, and she loved to hear all those songs we are all so tired of.
That being said-my wish list includes Uncle Albert, With a Little Luck (rocked out a bit though-no synths), Helen Wheels/Junior's Farm (did he do either live with Wings??), Come and Get it, Imagine (much more melodic than Give Peace a Chance), Free As a Bird (he did do a "dual" lead vocal with John on the single), Ob-la-di-Ob-la-da (although not a personal fav-would like to see it live).
And for future DVD releases-you need not include all of the standards-they are taking on Live Grateful Dead proportions for having umpteen live versions in circulation.
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Post by theman on Jun 16, 2008 13:33:49 GMT -5
Respectfully, I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but shouldn't we wait until Paul's next proper tour to trash his set-list - when he has a few weeks (not a few days or 1 week) to rehearse several never or rarely done songs? At that point, hopefully, C-Moon, Let Me Roll It, Calico Sky's, Flaming Pie, and several Beatle numbers (Drive My Car, Got To Get You Into My Life, Blackbird, BITUSSR, etc.) will be retired and new numbers inserted. He better keep Mrs. Vanderbilt on the set-list! Bluebird and 1985 might be nice too instead of Jet and BOTR. Add some of these and I'd be deleriously happy: Oo You, Uncle Albert, Junior's Farm, Helen's Wheels, Get On the Right Thing, Waterfalls, Daytime Night Suffering, The World Tonight, Too Much Rain, and something from WILD LIFE, maybe Tomorrow, or a shortened tighter version of Some People Never Know. Always liked 'Let 'em In'. Get past the simple name checking lyric to the metaphore behind it (breaking down barriers between people) and it's a big-hearted song with a hypnoticly simple but brilliant arrangement and very effective LIVE, and a meaningful choice for the Kiev audience. Silly Love Songs? NOOOOOOO!! Thumbing his nose at the critics came back to haunt him and best to leave it alone. IMHO... I'll be there, regardless. PS: Huray for the spellcheck! ;D Melody, I don't know for sure, but if we keep up the suggestions for changes, maybe Paul will listen. He certainly took the Ukranian poll to heart in playing Mrs. Vanderbilt (which, by the way, I think he did a great job singing).
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Post by sexysadie on Jun 16, 2008 20:52:06 GMT -5
Silly Love Songs has a incredible bassline, and I can tell you that it's great to watch Paul play it live. But because of Linda's contribution to the "rounds" part of the song, he may not want to perform it anymore. Understandable, but unfortunate IMO. Remember, SLS, despite all the ridicule Paul took for it, was a huge hit.
I would think the fact that Mrs. Vanderbuilt topped the Ukranian poll would tell Paul that the fans are hungry to hear some of the songs that he passes over because "when I go to a concert, I want to hear the hits." How many times have I heard THAT explanation for how he comes up with his set list?
He should do a similar poll here in the States before he tours again. More importantly, rather than determining what the fans would like to hear, he should determine what they don't want to hear. But those results could turn out to be a big blow to his ego--which is why such a poll won't happen. He just might find out that "the hits" have worn out their welcome.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 16, 2008 21:30:36 GMT -5
Wow, he sure did sing Mrs. Vandebilt really well! That was great! The "Ho, hey, ho" was tailor written for a concert.
That is what I want to see more of. Mrs. Vandebilt isn't even in my top 50 Paul solo songs but that was fantastic. Just imagine if he burst into Junior's Farm. That would get the crowd fired up.
As Melody said, maybe this isn't the setlist just yet for the upcoming tour that seems all but certain now although I am afraid the Liverpool and Kiev setlist is probably close to what is coming.
I would hope that the apparent success of MV would give Paul the courage to do more obscure solo stuff. Can Mumbo be far off?
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Post by melody on Jun 17, 2008 11:16:25 GMT -5
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Melody,
I don't know for sure, but if we keep up the suggestions for changes, maybe Paul will listen. He certainly took the Ukranian poll to heart in playing Mrs. Vanderbilt (which, by the way, I think he did a great job singing). [/quote]
You might well be right - not sure if he'd get wind of all the griping for change from fan boards, tho, unless he lurks (or someone tells him). It was very cool to see so many solo songs at the top of that petition and maybe it was a real eye-opener for Paul. Like, Hey Paul, you've got loads of other popular Wings and solo songs people DO rate and would prefer to hear ever over the almighty Beatles.
Someone at Paul's own fan board suggested fans get really pro-active and mailbomb MPL with our requests for more set-list changes.
I think he can (and should) do a better job this tour of finding a balance between the veteran hard-cores and the average casual fan who is seeing him for the first time and would be disappointed to not hear enough Beatle standards.
It's tricky though.
The first time I saw the Stones (2002) the audience mostly sat on their heads (myself included) for the obscurer and newer numbers, and only came alive with excitement when they played the old classics, like Satisfaction, Jumping Jack Flash, etc.
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Post by JCV on Jun 17, 2008 11:59:09 GMT -5
PS: Huray for the spellcheck! ;D Now that is funny, melody! ;D ;D JCV
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Post by JCV on Jun 17, 2008 12:01:53 GMT -5
Just imagine if he burst into Junior's Farm. That would get the crowd fired up. That would be excellent if he played "Junior's Farm"! We should do a poll with this board's top 10 concert songs we want Paul to play and send it along to him. JCV
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Post by melody on Jun 18, 2008 8:17:42 GMT -5
PS: Huray for the spellcheck! ;D Now that is funny, melody! ;D ;D JCV D'oh!!
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Post by mrjinks on Jun 18, 2008 11:31:39 GMT -5
Perhaps the setlist question would be a good next subject for Steve's "hot topics" I see both sides of this argument. On the one hand, I'm deathly tired of "Let Me Roll It", "Jet", "Long & Winding Road" and a couple others. And I hate to see him repeat his stories (Bach>Blackbird, Ukeleles>Something) from tour to tour. However, in a debate on another forum* about this same topic, I was surprised to look back and see just how much of Paul's 2005 setlist had NEVER been played for US audiences: 44%. Granted, anybody on a board such as this is probably (overly) familiar with Paul's setlists on past tours, but we are not normal! By all means, bring on some changes for the upcoming tour, but let's recognize that he HAS done that, perhaps to a greater extent than we remember. *Check this link for the specifics: www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=3521473&postcount=191
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Post by ideacuccot on Jun 18, 2008 15:16:59 GMT -5
I think Paul plays Flaming Pie because of the story which its lyrics is about (the man who brought the "Beatles" name, as it was in John's dream).
About (for example) I saw her... & Yesterday -> these are (two of) McCartney's "warhorses", as Jumpin' Jack Flash and Satisfaction at the Rolling Stones. Paul just cannot bypass these songs. He plays these for all his fans and... let's say, you are Paul McCartney, would you do the most successful bit of work on a concert of 300.000 fans? I think everybody would do Yesterday. :-)
But I think Paul used to do very fine - and not commonly played - songs as well. In 2004 he played She's a Woman a few times and it was excellent, fantastic, for example. I agree he do not play enough material from his solo works. Hope it will change!
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jun 18, 2008 15:45:54 GMT -5
Okay I generally have agreed with everyone here on Paul getting repetitious, but a friend of mine from Greece finally got to see Paul in Liverpool, and she loved to hear all those songs we are all so tired of. That being said-my wish list includes Uncle Albert, With a Little Luck (rocked out a bit though-no synths), Helen Wheels/Junior's Farm (did he do either live with Wings??), Come and Get it, Imagine (much more melodic than Give Peace a Chance), Free As a Bird (he did do a "dual" lead vocal with John on the single), Ob-la-di-Ob-la-da (although not a personal fav-would like to see it live). He did Junior's Farm live with Wings in 1975 on the Australian leg of the tour. Then when the new album (Speed of Sound) came out in the spring, he replaced it with Beware My Love.
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Post by mikev on Jun 18, 2008 20:58:48 GMT -5
so somewhere there is a live version (other than the filmed live version floating around on You Tube)?
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 19, 2008 10:02:20 GMT -5
Okay I generally have agreed with everyone here on Paul getting repetitious, but a friend of mine from Greece finally got to see Paul in Liverpool, and she loved to hear all those songs we are all so tired of. That being said-my wish list includes Uncle Albert, With a Little Luck (rocked out a bit though-no synths), Helen Wheels/Junior's Farm (did he do either live with Wings??), Come and Get it, Imagine (much more melodic than Give Peace a Chance), Free As a Bird (he did do a "dual" lead vocal with John on the single), Ob-la-di-Ob-la-da (although not a personal fav-would like to see it live). He did Junior's Farm live with Wings in 1975 on the Australian leg of the tour. Then when the new album (Speed of Sound) came out in the spring, he replaced it with Beware My Love. Gosh, there was room for both of those songs. "Junior's Farm" seems a no-brainer to be on any Macca setlist yet it hasn't.
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Post by sexysadie on Jun 21, 2008 1:01:18 GMT -5
Remember how few Beatles songs were in the set list of that '75-'76 tour? Yet people still turned out in droves, even knowing Paul's aversion to all things Beatle at that point in time.
Honestly, I've never understood audience members who sit on their hands when an artist plays newer material. If you appreciate someone's talent enough to splash out money for a ticket--sometimes BIG money--shouldn't you be generous enough to provide positive feedback on every song, regardless of whether it's one of your personal favorites, or was a major hit? Hey, I applauded for C-Moon! There is much to criticize Paul for, but he IS a perfectionist, and I give him props for always trying to give us his musical best (okay, Wild Life was a quick-and-dirty semi-effort, so not always). Certainly Chaos and MAF were worthy CD's--Driving Rain not so much--yet people would head for the exits during the songs from DR and Chaos, or offer tepid applause. Sheesh, is it THAT hard to cheer for a friggin' song?
Can you imagine working your level best on a project at your job, only to present the results and be told that everyone still prefers what you did 40 years ago?
Paul must notice when the newer songs get a less-than-enthusiastic reception, and no doubt it is really disheartening for him. No wonder he worries that reaching back into his lesser-known Wings/solo catalogue would be greeted with similar indifference. He obviously loves the positive reinforcement of live performance, and I understand why he plays it safe and sticks to the tried and true. But I can't help feeling that he is catering to the younger and/or more casual fans at the expense of the older, more dedicated ones. And as a proud member of that latter group, it kinda ticks me off.
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