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Post by Snookeroo on Jul 28, 2008 10:35:36 GMT -5
I assumed it was Yoko not wanting it out (don't get mad at me and defending Yoko Joe K - it is just my opinion). Yoko did NOT look good in that movie - whether it was drugs or difficult preganacy or the combo I do not know. Does ANYONE look especially good in LET IT BE? Everyone's bored, everyone's dragging through it. You can't have it both ways when it comes to Yoko Bashing. You can't on the one hand fall back on the old familiar "Yoko just inserts herself everywhere and into everything and wants all the exposure" in one post, and then say "Yoko probably doesn't want LIB released because she doesn't look good in it" in another. Personally, I doubt that the hesitance on this release has anything to do with the surviving two Beatles, nor Yoko nor Olivia. Probably just an Apple thing. Actually, I always thought Yoko looked pretty normal in the movie. However, I've always been struck by the Beatles themselves somewhat on this subject. They all look unkempt and somewhat desheveled through the movie to varying degrees. Paul looks like a street bum in the scene where he's walking up to the Apple building. In most of the indoor shots both he and John look like they desperatley need a shower. There is a definate air of "who cares" in the room. And the noticeable differance is when they go up on the roof. They all snap it up a bit and act professional. The hair is clean and blowing in the wind. And John, who looked quite bored and detached through a good portion of the studio scenes looks very much the "head Beatle" standing front-and-center of the band. I do have to add that during the scene where George is showing Ringo his song, "I, Me, Mine" - Ringo is wearing a very cool blue jacket.
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Post by Snookeroo on Jul 28, 2008 10:54:59 GMT -5
Here's a nice clip of the scene I mentioned above. I wonder if that's a rare look at George playing his sanded-down Epiphone Casino guitar - or if he's using John's. Also note Paul's bass on the chair, and George's Les Paul on the drum riser.
If you listen to George's banter at the beginning he seems to say, "I don't care if he don't want it - I don't give a ?". I've always wondered who he's referring to (Paul?).
It's interesting to note that John is enjoying the song, but isn't on the final recording. It is nice footage to John and Yoko though. This kind of scene still makes me sad to think of how he was taken from her all these years later.
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Post by mikev on Jul 28, 2008 11:05:59 GMT -5
The clip of John and Yoko waltzing was also used in the Free As a Bird video.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 28, 2008 11:24:46 GMT -5
Actually, I always thought Yoko looked pretty normal in the movie. However, I've always been struck by the Beatles themselves somewhat on this subject. They all look unkempt and somewhat desheveled through the movie to varying degrees. Paul looks like a street bum in the scene where he's walking up to the Apple building. In most of the indoor shots both he and John look like they desperatley need a shower. There is a definate air of "who cares" in the room. One of the more fascinating exchanges as documented in the Sulpy book is when one of The Beatles, I think Paul, complains of burning, itching jock itch and Sulpy sarcastically notes that one of the other Beatles', "Helpfully suggests Paul take a bath." But they talk about this for a few minutes. I found it comforting that our heroes suffered from the same irritants as the rest of us but you are right Snooks, they all look pretty dirty(greasy, unwashed) in LIB and it is kind of disgusting. We've all read the account of the Apple Scruff who claims to have been told by Paul's housekeeper Dot that once Linda moved in Paul became a pig whereas before he had clean linen every night, shaved and regularly bathed. Maybe it wasn't jock itch but those pesky crabs that Paul was suffering from! And after his1969 Isle Of Wight Festival appearance, it is said that Bob Dylan ordered John and Yoko out of the farmhouse Dylan was staying at because of their body odor. Apparently in addition to not changing clothes throughout the festival, J & Y were in their heroin days and didn't realize or care about their obnoxious state of body hygiene. These are some great moments in Beatles' history! ;D
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jul 28, 2008 11:25:51 GMT -5
Actually, I always thought Yoko looked pretty normal in the movie. However, I've always been struck by the Beatles themselves somewhat on this subject. They all look unkempt and somewhat desheveled through the movie to varying degrees. If you haven't seen the outtake of the jam session with Yoko, it's here: . In my mind, this puts aside any argument they completely hated her. Certainly the craziest piece of film I've seen from those sessions.
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Post by ImBigK on Jul 28, 2008 20:15:49 GMT -5
Our band played last night and I watched my copy of LET IT BE when I got home. My copy is a transfer to DVD that a friend of mine sent me from Hollywood CA. It has an audio feature to choose between 2 channel or 5.1. and it does sound a lot better than my VHS copy. Its been a while since I've watched LET IT BE, but my main concern is the TERRIBLE EDITS! Someone earlier said it looked that it had been edited by Stevie Wonder and that's right on. If we ever do get a DVD release, I hope that complete performances are compiled even if there are mistakes. And the syncing should be addressed. I've made my own DVD's of our band taking the audio from a performance and running it through a mixing board for EQ and sweetener, then flying it back to the video performance and replacing the original audio with the re EQ'ed one. IN SYNC! It can be done. I'm a big movie fan in general, and LET IT BE (the film) is what it is. There should be no tampering or re-editing of the main film. THAT'S the original movie. I don't mind the picture being cleaned up, obviously, but for anything "new" or "Extra", I would prefer these as bonuses on another disc. And there is PLENTY of alternate unused footage to fill a bonus disc. It would be easy enough to offer an option on the main menu for "PLAY ORIGINAL VERSION" or "PLAY EXTENDED VERSION." That would allow for the new scenes to be shown in context, but also keep the original film intact. That would be my preference. -Big K NP - WWE RAW
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jul 28, 2008 20:57:26 GMT -5
One of the most knowledeable and trusted Beatle experts with access to insider info over at the Steve Hoffman board recently said that it is Yoko who is holding up this DVD release. He didn't elaborate on the reason but I'd bet your speculations are roughly correct. (snip) I think what they're referring to is the quote I had on the site in the Yoko interview where I think it was Bill DeYoung asked her when LIB would be out and her answer was something on the order of "How long are you planning to live?" In other words, it won't be in your lifetime. I don't think it's her holding it up. She and John look relatively good in it. It's Paul and George who don't.
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Post by jimc on Jul 28, 2008 21:50:42 GMT -5
We've all read the account of the Apple Scruff who claims to have been told by Paul's housekeeper Dot that once Linda moved in Paul became a pig whereas before he had clean linen every night, shaved and regularly bathed. Maybe it wasn't jock itch but those pesky crabs that Paul was suffering from! These are some great moments in Beatles' history! ;D "Sync the second clap, please."
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Post by Panther on Jul 29, 2008 1:17:34 GMT -5
I'm actually amazed reading this thread -- amazed that many of you (informed people) are in the know that The Beatles' estate or at least one of the individual guys' estates is holding up the release of the film. I finally saw a nice quality version of it a couple of years ago, and I enjoyed it immensely. I am absolutely baffled that band-members or their spouses would want it squashed.
Are these people in some state of delusion that ANYTHING about The Beatles is not public knowledge? It's inconceivable to me that they would even attempt to shut it down.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jul 29, 2008 3:01:16 GMT -5
And after his1969 Isle Of Wight Festival appearance, it is said that Bob Dylan ordered John and Yoko out of the farmhouse Dylan was staying at because of their body odor. Apparently in addition to not changing clothes throughout the festival, J & Y were in their heroin days and didn't realize or care about their obnoxious state of body hygiene. That's a story I originally posted. I was 17 and spent my summer holiday washing up in a cafe. The griddle chef's wife was pregnant and ended up in the local maternity ward next to the wife of one of The Band members (can't remember which one - Rick Danko maybe?). They became friends, introduced the husbands, and Vaughan got invited to the post-gig party, which is where he witnessed said exchange.
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Post by mikev on Jul 29, 2008 7:46:21 GMT -5
Maybe that is why Lennon bashed Dylan so badly in his later years with those song parodies...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 29, 2008 8:58:03 GMT -5
The film wouldn't taint the Beatles legacy but may shine and unfavorable light on the JohnandYoko legacy. Why do you feel that way? If anything, it shows John and Yoko close, and self-involved. They even dance together during I ME MINE. You don't think maybe Apple would feel this type of gloomy and bickering film casts an unfavorable light against their silly "LOVE" concoction? Well, Paul says in a 1980 MUSICIAN interview that he DID tell George NOT to play guitar on HEY JUDE. So that happened. I also read a quote from George somewhere where he said "I even had to put up with Paul telling me how to play my own guitar". In the LIB film you can hear Paul say: "This one is like 'should we play guitar all through Hey Jude/No I don't think we should' ".... so there must have been something going on there that was similar.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 29, 2008 9:01:12 GMT -5
I've always been struck by the Beatles themselves somewhat on this subject. They all look unkempt and somewhat desheveled through the movie to varying degrees. Paul looks like a street bum in the scene where he's walking up to the Apple building. In most of the indoor shots both he and John look like they desperatley need a shower. There is a definate air of "who cares" in the room. I've seen plenty of shots like that in-studio (especially of Paul) through the Beatles years. I don't see this as any kind of problem; this is supposed to be a documentaion of the Beatles AS THEY WERE. Not everyone looks all groomed and handsome and ready for the cameras in their daily life.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 29, 2008 9:03:39 GMT -5
And after his1969 Isle Of Wight Festival appearance, it is said that Bob Dylan ordered John and Yoko out of the farmhouse Dylan was staying at because of their body odor. Apparently in addition to not changing clothes throughout the festival, J & Y were in their heroin days and didn't realize or care about their obnoxious state of body hygiene. That's hilarious coming from the ultimate slob himself, Bob Dylan. Ever look at his long and dirty fingernails? What a pig.
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Post by mikev on Jul 29, 2008 9:04:12 GMT -5
I would have loved to hear an alternate take of Hey Jude with George's fills to see if it would have worked or not. I don't think any were recorded.
What is available at least as a Cheatleg is a version of Let it Be with both of George's leads. I think it is pretty cool...if I could only find where I put it...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 29, 2008 9:06:27 GMT -5
I would have loved to hear an alternate take of Hey Jude with George's fills to see if it would have worked or not. I don't think any were recorded. I was always on Paul's side on this one. It's his song, so he ought to have it how he wants it.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 29, 2008 11:21:34 GMT -5
I would have loved to hear an alternate take of Hey Jude with George's fills to see if it would have worked or not. I don't think any were recorded. To get an idea of how it might have sounded, just listen to The Threatles' Real Love. Paul was right to have Hey Jude saved from all of those little guitar fills. George's lead guitar solo is amazing on Real Love but his fills after every single line drive me a little batty. Looks like George got his revenge on Paul by getting guitar fills after every line on Real Love! ;D
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Post by Snookeroo on Jul 29, 2008 12:28:18 GMT -5
I've noticed all those fills on "Real Love", but my take is different. I think it's a great example of George's talent. To me, he does all these sweet fills that complement the singing and the melody. Then when it comes to the lead proper he sort of steps-it-up a notch to take the spotlight. Then right after his solo he goes back to "coloring" the song. I don't find that intrusive at all.
I think that if there's one song where George might have been sticking it back at paul it might be when he put down the solo on the album version of "Let It Be". I'm just glad he did that because it's one of my absolute favorite Harrison leads.
I think it would have worked fine in "Hey Jude" if George had started filling in later in the song. But the fact that it was indeed Paul's decision is all that really matters. It was his baby.
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Post by superhans on Jul 29, 2008 13:59:25 GMT -5
Would the release of the 'Let it be' film on DVD really be uber exciting?? Obviously, I'd love to own it and any previously unseen footage would be a blast, but the general vibe of the film is pretty uninspiring, to be honest.........and I'm not sure that it's 'must have' status isn't fuelled by years of unfulfilled expectation and the 'smoke and mirrors' coming out of Apple -- beyond it's true merit as a film. D'you know what? I reckon I would play it a couple of times before gradually losing interest and shoving it away in a cupboard. It'd be nice to have the rooftop session in top sound and picture quality, but I've seen it umpteen times in rubbish quality already.
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Post by revolver66 on Jul 29, 2008 14:22:38 GMT -5
Would the release of the 'Let it be' film on DVD really be uber exciting?? Obviously, I'd love to own it and any previously unseen footage would be a blast, but the general vibe of the film is pretty uninspiring, to be honest.........and I'm not sure that it's 'must have' status isn't fuelled by years of unfulfilled expectation and the 'smoke and mirrors' coming out of Apple -- beyond it's true merit as a film. D'you know what? I reckon I would play it a couple of times before gradually losing interest and shoving it away in a cupboard. It'd be nice to have the rooftop session in top sound and picture quality, but I've seen it umpteen times in rubbish quality already. I can see your point but imagine the Let It Be Movie not just with a Clean Picture but with Top Notch Sound!! I've always enjoyed Let It Be and with the Roof Top Concert the Fabs created yet another great piece of History. I mean any quality Footage of the Fabs is much welcomed in My book(and I'm sure most everyone here). I really feel that Apple should just start a Major Beatles Campaign to release it all. Let the Fans decide what they want and what they don't although I have a feeling we want it all. That is if it's Top Quality stuff like Let It Be,Hollywood Bowl,Shea,Outtakes,Remasters etc. No one is getting any younger!
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jul 29, 2008 14:51:18 GMT -5
If anyone in this thread would like to offer their comments for the website, let me know. A PM is fine. tx.
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Post by wogew on Jul 30, 2008 4:58:29 GMT -5
I have a timeline of the release plans for Let It Be on my blog here: wogew.blogspot.com/2008/07/let-it-be.htmlIt's obvious that the version that was readied in 1992-1997 by the UK company "VCI" later was scrapped, and that Anthology director Bob Smeaton was involved in further restoration of the film, he was talking about colour-correction issues as late as in 2006. According to him, September 2006 was the planned month for the release. And the next thing we heard was that quote from Neil in 2007 and then Yoko's comment this year. Feel free to quote from my blog, Steve!
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Post by superhans on Jul 30, 2008 6:26:54 GMT -5
I have a timeline of the release plans for Let It Be on my blog here: wogew.blogspot.com/2008/07/let-it-be.htmlIt's obvious that the version that was readied in 1992-1997 by the UK company "VCI" later was scrapped, and that Anthology director Bob Smeaton was involved in further restoration of the film, he was talking about colour-correction issues as late as in 2006. According to him, September 2006 was the planned month for the release. And the next thing we heard was that quote from Neil in 2007 and then Yoko's comment this year. Thanks Wogew, that was really interesting. The mention of previously unseen rehearsal footage from other projects is particularly exciting, although it may just be the stuff of fantasy! What I don't understand is this. You either release the 'Let it Be' film, or you don't. To date there seem to have been several false starts, attempted restorations, proposed release dates etc. etc. with absolutely no end product (apart from selected clips that were used for Anthology). It seems to show a deep indecision at the heart of Beatles inc. -- A classic case of too many hands on the tiller? Superhans. Here's a thought....if this is the current management modus operandi at Apple, do you just end up with a succession of people's pet projects ('Let it be...naked' - Paul; 'Cirque du Soleil' (?)
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 30, 2008 7:49:24 GMT -5
Thanks wogew for the info and link to your blog, great stuff!
Also great point superhans about Apple just giving us pet projects anymore. Those are nice but we fans want to go back to the egg! ;D
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Post by wogew on Jul 30, 2008 8:35:16 GMT -5
Beatles break-up banned Article By: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:03 Surviving Beatles Sir Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr have prohibited the release of never before seen footage of the legendary band's break up. A version of the band's 1970 film 'Let It Be' was due to be released on DVD which brings to light the infighting as the pioneer band neared their end. Industry insiders say the remaining two Beatles do not want the footage released as it shows the relationships between the members in an unflattering light. A source told The Daily Express: "There has been talk of 'Let It Be' finally being released but now there has been a change of heart. "The Beatles are still a massive global brand and it’s felt it won’t be helped if the public sees the darker side of the story. Neither Paul nor Ringo would be comfortable publicising a film showing The Beatles getting on each other’s nerves." Directed by Michael Lindsay-Hogg, the film shows the foursome working on their next studio album. Tensions were running especially high between McCartney and George Harrison as the latter had taken offence to McCartney criticising his guitar playing. John Lennon often appeared aloof and distracted by his partner Yoko Ono who was present throughout. The film did, however, end positively with the band performing on a London rooftop. The album also entitled 'Let It Be' accompanied the film, though it is largely regarded as one of the band’s weaker offerings. The group's late manager, Neil Aspinall, was behind the DVD's planned release. He too reportedly had concerns that the footage would prove too upsetting for the surviving Beatles as well as the members' families. The source added: "People like to imagine the Beatles were a happy ship but the reality towards the end was very different as this film shows. "There's all sorts of extra footage showing more squabbles but it's unlikely it will ever see the light of day in Paul and Ringo's lifetime." Source: entertainment.iafrica.com/music/news/1053480.htm
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 30, 2008 8:56:46 GMT -5
Jesus, that sucks!!!
You've got to be kidding me - I wish today was April Fool's Day!!
I hope JSD is reading this, because IF this is accurately how Paul and Ringo feel, I am now going to prove what I've always said - that I have NO QUALMS WHATSOEVER about bashing the Beatles when needed. How the hell could they be so ridiculous?? I'll tell you one thing - John Lennon would never have stood for that! Lennon would have wanted this thing to be out to deflate the myth a bit.
So if this is all accurate it just goes to show what I suspected is possibly true -- that there's this brand new agenda to push the "LOVE" (or should I say "Peace and love", Ringo?) aspect of the Fabs, and so we're dealing with a new phenomenon regarding the Beatles and their role in the 21st Century. From here on, it is now a goal to "preserve" the faux "love, love, love" image of the Beatles? It makes me sick -- no wonder so many young kids today think the Beatles are so "light" or "weak" or "sissy-ish" (can't think of the right term, sorry). Actually - I know the perfect word that kids use here, but I don't want to offend some.
To think that Paul and Ringo themselves may be perpetrating this charade REALLY sours my gut. I HOPE that part isn't accurate. What do they think, there aren't copies of LET IT BE floating around??
Does this mean that LET IT BE will become this very rare, underground and controversial, hard-to-find film now?
For all you fans who liked the whole concept of the LOVE project (I hated it, and I still do, except that it made more new people aware of the Beatles a bit more) -- well, here is the aftermath of that piece of needless crap.
Jeez. I need to calm down.
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Post by superhans on Jul 30, 2008 11:47:43 GMT -5
Jesus, that sucks!!! You've got to be kidding me - I wish today was April Fool's Day!! I hope JSD is reading this, because IF this is accurately how Paul and Ringo feel, I am now going to prove what I've always said - that I have NO QUALMS WHATSOEVER about bashing the Beatles when needed. How the hell could they be so ridiculous?? I'll tell you one thing - John Lennon would never have stood for that! Lennon would have wanted this thing to be out to deflate the myth a bit. So if this is all accurate it just goes to show what I suspected is possibly true -- that there's this brand new agenda to push the "LOVE" (or should I say "Peace and love", Ringo?) aspect of the Fabs, and so we're dealing with a new phenomenon regarding the Beatles and their role in the 21st Century. From here on, it is now a goal to "preserve" the faux "love, love, love" image of the Beatles? It makes me sick -- no wonder so many young kids today think the Beatles are so "light" or "weak" or "sissy-ish" (can't think of the right term, sorry). Actually - I know the perfect word that kids use here, but I don't want to offend some. To think that Paul and Ringo themselves may be perpetrating this charade REALLY sours my gut. I HOPE that part isn't accurate. What do they think, there aren't copies of LET IT BE floating around?? Does this mean that LET IT BE will become this very rare, underground and controversial, hard-to-find film now? For all you fans who liked the whole concept of the LOVE project (I hated it, and I still do, except that it made more new people aware of the Beatles a bit more) -- well, here is the aftermath of that piece of needless crap. I couldn't agree more. If the quote is accurate, it represents the precious, prissy thinking of fusty, conservative old men.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 30, 2008 12:00:55 GMT -5
Jesus, that sucks!!! You've got to be kidding me - I wish today was April Fool's Day!! I hope JSD is reading this, because IF this is accurately how Paul and Ringo feel, I am now going to prove what I've always said - that I have NO QUALMS WHATSOEVER about bashing the Beatles when needed. How the hell could they be so ridiculous?? I'll tell you one thing - John Lennon would never have stood for that! Lennon would have wanted this thing to be out to deflate the myth a bit. So if this is all accurate it just goes to show what I suspected is possibly true -- that there's this brand new agenda to push the "LOVE" (or should I say "Peace and love", Ringo?) aspect of the Fabs, and so we're dealing with a new phenomenon regarding the Beatles and their role in the 21st Century. From here on, it is now a goal to "preserve" the faux "love, love, love" image of the Beatles? It makes me sick -- no wonder so many young kids today think the Beatles are so "light" or "weak" or "sissy-ish" (can't think of the right term, sorry). Actually - I know the perfect word that kids use here, but I don't want to offend some. To think that Paul and Ringo themselves may be perpetrating this charade REALLY sours my gut. I HOPE that part isn't accurate. What do they think, there aren't copies of LET IT BE floating around?? Does this mean that LET IT BE will become this very rare, underground and controversial, hard-to-find film now? For all you fans who liked the whole concept of the LOVE project (I hated it, and I still do, except that it made more new people aware of the Beatles a bit more) -- well, here is the aftermath of that piece of needless crap. Jeez. I need to calm down. Great rant, Joe! I feel your pain. The weird thing is this Thread has caused us to read up on LIB, the movie, and we have been reminded that there is a bunch of happy footage where the lads are grooving, not bitching. There is even, as Steve reminded us, a nice bit where The Beatles jam with Yoko. LIB footage documented both extremes: the bitchiness of a band at the end of the line but also some great music-making by veterans who knew each other pretty well musically. I don't want LIB redone to present just a rosey picture but if Apple wanted to focus the "bonus material" on the happy bits that is fine with me! But to bury the original film and not to re-release it in a cleaned up form(as to audio/visual not content) is a damn shame.
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Post by melody on Jul 30, 2008 12:37:54 GMT -5
A source told the daily express.....
Hmmmm.
I'm sure it's still a painful memory for all of them but they covered the break-up with plenty of scenes from the LIB film in the Anthology.
I'll wait until I have a direct quote from Paul or Ringo before assigning blame to them for the delay. Hopefully, someone will ask one or both of them to comment.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jul 30, 2008 13:07:35 GMT -5
A source told the daily express..... Hmmmm. I'm sure it's still a painful memory for all of them but they covered the break-up with plenty of scenes from the LIB film in the Anthology. I'll wait until I have a direct quote from Paul or Ringo before assigning blame to them for the delay. Hopefully, someone will ask one or both of them to comment. That's right. I don't believe it for a minute. Let It Be overall puts Paul in a good light. That's why John was so down and negative about it. The fight between George and Paul is already in the original movie. I don't think it got worse than that as George walked out after that. I think Yoko has at least a finger if not a hand in this. After all it was her quote about I hope you live a long life when asked about when LIB would be released on DVD. Remember she does not come off looking very good in the film. She looks out of place and uneasy. It brings back ideas about her being a part of the break-up. If this is the case, she could just edit her parts out. I think Paul wants the film out. He sure seemed anxious about it coming out. Yoko could be filmed in an interview explaining what was going on between her and John and the others to make it easier to understand her point of veiw. I think it would be a good compromise between her and Paul.
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