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Post by melody on Aug 2, 2008 13:18:55 GMT -5
Yoko became a convenient scapegoat for fans who would rather blame her than a Beatle. It wasn't Yoko per se that was the problem, imo, it was John's unhealthy obsession and reliance on her, the sudden adoption of all her ideas, plus his heroin addiction that foretold the end of the band. Paul and George were both problematic too in their own ways, just so you don't think I'm putting all the blame on John. John most certainly was concerned with money and business dealings. He was a complex and contradictory individual with plenty of personal demons, a big fragile ego, and the need for multiple security blankets. As you know, he changed his mind on any topic from day to day. Yes, he felt the desire to branch out in a new artistic and political direction with Yoko, but his actions and words in that period suggest a great ambiguity and waffling with regard to officially and legally breaking the Beatles apart for good. The attached link to this rather rare (at least to me) John and Yoko interview in 1971 gives a different impression of John's mindset than the one commonly ascribed to him. Very revealing is his admission of Klein and John, George, and Ringo actually hatching a plan to trick Paul into recording with them again. Why would he do that if he REALLY wanted out so badly? Was it just about the money? I doubt it. www.geocities.com/wireless_machine/lennon/st_regis.htm
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Post by ImBigK on Aug 2, 2008 14:03:28 GMT -5
The attached link to this rather rare (at least to me) John and Yoko interview in 1971 gives a different impression of John's mindset than the one commonly ascribed to him. Very revealing is his admission of Klein and John, George, and Ringo actually hatching a plan to trick Paul into recording with them again. Why would he do that if he REALLY wanted out so badly? Was it just about the money? I doubt it. www.geocities.com/wireless_machine/lennon/st_regis.htmThat's a fascinating interview, but the links at the bottom of the page (for pages 2-5) don't work. Does anyone know where a copy of the whole thing might be found? -Big K
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 2, 2008 21:25:13 GMT -5
This is the interview to Peter McCabe and Robert Schonfeld who wrote Apple To The Core. It is a great interview as John is swinging wildly.
I am holding the book in my hand as I type this, it's got that drawing of John that Melody's link shows. The book I have is called John Lennon: For The Record.
This is the interview where John states how Paul and Neil Aspinal hated each other; what has George Martin ever done; George Harrison was totally unaware and while Paul was aware, he didn't want to know; and Brian wasn't negligent, he ripped off The Beatles like everyone else.
It is an entertaining read. It is one of those interviews John probably had to backpedal from by the mid-70's just as he did to George Martin in 1974 or 1975, telling Sir George that he was out of his head when he said nasty things about the old boy in 1970 and 1971, including this interview. ;D
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Post by OldFred on Aug 3, 2008 4:52:33 GMT -5
This is the interview to Peter McCabe and Robert Schonfeld who wrote Apple To The Core. It is a great interview as John is swinging wildly. I am holding the book in my hand as I type this, it's got that drawing of John that Melody's link shows. The book I have is called John Lennon: For The Record. This is the interview where John states how Paul and Neil Aspinal hated each other; what has George Martin ever done; George Harrison was totally unaware and while Paul was aware, he didn't want to know; and Brian wasn't negligent, he ripped off The Beatles like everyone else. It is an entertaining read. It is one of those interviews John probably had to backpedal from by the mid-70's just as he did to George Martin in 1974 or 1975, telling Sir George that he was out of his head when he said nasty things about the old boy in 1970 and 1971, including this interview. ;D That's why I take what John said with a grain of salt because he was so contradictory. It's the same with Pete Townshend of The Who, he gives great interviews, but once in awhile you have to scratch your head and wonder if he really meant what he just said. The John of the Tom Snyder interview of 1975 is a bit of a different man from the John of the Rolling Stone interview of 1971.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 3, 2008 6:20:04 GMT -5
And I think this is natural. At least it is to me, because I can relate as sometimes being the same way. I get angry and say things I later regret and apologize for. I don't always retain the same views or emotions from past years. I tended to be much more "liberal" in my views in the past, but not as much now ... maybe I'll get more liberal-minded again later. I believe true and honest human beings do change their attitudes and points of view. To be otherwise is to be stubborn, head-strong and narrow-minded.
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Post by melody on Aug 3, 2008 8:53:50 GMT -5
And I think this is natural. At least it is to me, because I can relate as sometimes being the same way. I get angry and say things I later regret and apologize for. I don't always retain the same views or emotions from past years. I tended to be much more "liberal" in my views in the past, but not as much now ... maybe I'll get more liberal-minded again later. I believe true and honest human beings do change their attitudes and points of view. To be otherwise is to be stubborn, head-strong and narrow-minded. Joe, I think just about everyone gets angry and occassionally says things they regret. Most of us do experience a change in attitude and outlook as a simple funtion of aging and accumulated life experience. Our core personalities remain somewhat more persistent, tho, if we're normal. Fred's point that John was extremely contradictory still stands. We're not just talking about a normal change of view over time. John was wildly inconsisent from day to day, sometimes within the same interview, and like Fred, I take much of what John said around the break-up period, with a truck-load of salt. Thanks JSD for the additional info on that interview. I have never heard of the book John Lennon: For The Record, no doubt long out of print.
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Post by Snookeroo on Aug 3, 2008 17:37:04 GMT -5
Unlike many celebs, John said what he felt at the moment whatever the result. Not many people do that which is why we occasionally get these scandalous things every one in ahile where someones true feelings accidentally get captured on film or audio.
And in 1971 John was "cranky" about a few things.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 4, 2008 16:01:11 GMT -5
Fred's point that John was extremely contradictory still stands. We're not just talking about a normal change of view over time. John was wildly inconsisent from day to day, sometimes within the same interview, and like Fred, I take much of what John said around the break-up period, with a truck-load of salt. Our core personalities remain somewhat more persistent, tho, if we're normal. So what's "normal"? You seem to be the expert.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 4, 2008 16:02:23 GMT -5
Unlike many celebs, John said what he felt at the moment whatever the result. Not many people do that which is why we occasionally get these scandalous things every one in ahile where someones true feelings accidentally get captured on film or audio. And I tend to do the same. And I guess that's why I related most to Lennon and liked that about him.
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Post by OldFred on Jan 29, 2009 17:20:32 GMT -5
This was previously the most viewed thread on the board. Definitely goes with the new BBC Radio documentary on the 40th anniversary of the Beatles' final concert on the roof of the Apple Building. It'll be running for about less than a week, so check it out while it's still available. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00h3450
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