|
Post by sexysadie on Aug 22, 2008 3:59:40 GMT -5
There's no excuse for rudeness on either side here. And being provoked doesn't justify responding in kind. I don't care what was said to Paul, he was a jerk for retaliating with--what did someone say?--yes, childish remarks. Namecalling. Can't get more childish than that. Did he expend his lifetime allotment of "dignified silence" on the divorce? Paul was walking on a public street, and from what I could tell, none of the photographers were invading his personal space. In fact, most of them were being pretty polite. The larger point is that Paul knew they were around from his encounter with them earlier in the day. If he didn't want to deal with them, he could have taken a taxi home. Calling a woman "fatso?" Really, you're going to defend THAT? (Of course, Paul's probably had his sense of what "fat" is seriously skewed by hanging around with Nancy. Everyone is fat compared to her.)
I know people love to hurl venom at the paparazzi--and if you have NEVER checked out People, Us Weekly, In Touch, OK!, Hello or any of the other numerous celebrity publications, and NEVER watched ET, Access Hollywood, TMZ, or any of the other numerous celebrity TV shows, you are entitled. The only reason the paparazzi exist is because there is a huge demand for their services. I suspect a small minority of troublemakers give the majority a bad name. And let's not forget that the celebrities are happy to bask in the flash of the cameras when they have something to promote. If you make your living being a public personality, then you have no choice but to put up with everything that comes along with being famous. Far better to do it politely and with maturity than act aggrieved. What did Paul gain by behaving like a jerk? If he had acted like the 66-year-old knight of the realm he is and remained quiet even when being taunted, he would have looked like a million dollars--er, pounds. And there would have been no story.
He used to be Mr. Charm, Mr. PR, Mr. Thumbs-Up. He's getting grumpy in his old age. I wonder if there is already trouble in paradise with Nancy.
|
|
|
Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 22, 2008 5:29:52 GMT -5
Indeed. We're not getting the complete picture. What led up to such an uncharacteristic taunt from Paul and why wasn't it included in the clip? I could see Paul being pushed over the edge if they attempted to tuant or insult Nancy (perhaps remarks about her thinness) resulting in the fatso schoolgirl retort. An eye for an eye type of thing. That's reaching though, isn't it? "Surely, the girl MUST have started it - maybe even called Nancy thin!"...? I highly doubt the fat woman would have made fun of Nancy's thinness, especially if she probably wished she was thin herself. Since when would a fat person taunt: "Hey, skinny!! HA HA!!"...? And in the video, when Paul says she's a "fat schoolgirl", doesn't the woman get completely shocked and say something like "How dare you?"...? Just judging by the woman's stunned reaction alone, it's highly unlikely that she at first dished out such verbal namecalling. I think it's Paul who should get another job if he can't handle the fans and cameras in his face. And the guy is paid well. Okay, some people feel that what happens out in a celeb's private life is not "part of the job"... but it comes with the territory. Even with my job, I have repercussions reverberating even when I'm not on the clock and people asking me advice, and so on.. even during my private life. Having million$ would make that side effect much easier to ignore.
|
|
|
Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 22, 2008 5:36:10 GMT -5
JoeK, as usual, you're muddying the waters. Yes, as usual I'm just being very real and honest about my feelings. Sorry if they don't always come out in a way that tows the line or suits you. Just because several people want to give their Paulie the benefit of the doubt does not make it so. I don't know what happened beforehand either, but I did witness Paul erupt at a female fan with my own eyes and snatch this fan's crystal gift from his wife Linda and throw it out the limo window and onto the ground. For no other reason than that he was having a bad day. The female fan was very polite. I never said such a thing to Paul, no - nor would I if it happened again in the future, I suspect, unless he insulted me personally and made personal comments toward me first which were designed to hurt. He'd better watch out if he ever said similar such things to me.
|
|
|
Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 22, 2008 5:45:25 GMT -5
Paul was walking on a public street, and from what I could tell, none of the photographers were invading his personal space. In fact, most of them were being pretty polite. And you know, we're forgetting the male fan at the very beginning of the clip, when this whole thing began. He says somethig like "well, we're fans and we love you", and Paul laughs and mocks this man - imitating him sarcastically in a "blah, blah, blah" sort of manner, and then angrily blurting out: "You know, you sound just like a school kid". That wasn't very nice either. AMEN throughout, Sadie. That's it exactly. How true. One thing about Paul was that he'd always be "on" for the cameras, at least. Now he doesn't mind being a jerk even when in the spotlight. I wonder if this may be a new thing for the paparazzi -- to see if they can get new footage of Paul melting down...
|
|
|
Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 22, 2008 6:56:13 GMT -5
I'd really be interested in hearing RTP's take on this.
|
|
|
Post by ReturnToPepperland on Aug 22, 2008 10:41:05 GMT -5
I'd really be interested in hearing RTP's take on this. Paul should know better than to act that way in public even if he was baited or being stalked. However, we are all not perfect and that includes Paul. If I were out for a walk on a sunny day with Mrs. RTP, I would not appreciate the intrusion even if I was famous. The behavior was childish on both sides. I think her taunts after the first salvo was fired were worse than what she said to him. She certainly acted unprofessional. We don't know what kind of provoking went on. I cited a quote from someone who was on the scene who said Paul had politely let them film for a time and then asked them to go away. It was only when they began following them that Paul became angry. Still there is no real excuse for it. It is beneath his dignity to handle a situation like this in an angry way. He needs body guards to ward off pests like this. I just don't think its the worst thing in the world to call an adult fat. If it were a child, that would be much worse. He should have used the word "chubby" which has less impact of course.
|
|
|
Post by melody on Aug 22, 2008 12:17:30 GMT -5
Is that a threat, Joe? Maybe Paul needs to get a restraining order for Miss Fatso and *fans* like you.? If you abuse, disrespect, or harrass Paul (like this woman and the other useless paps did) then don't expect kind treatment. Fans that respect Paul's privacy don't run into such problems.
Even to suggest such a response (mocking him because his mother died before she could witness his success) borders on hateful.
Your knee-jerk reaction is over-the-top, childish to the extreme and you're a hypocite, Joe.
You arrogantly scold everyone here if they react to questionable articles that are less than flattering about John or Yoko and you will defend, excuse away, and even applaud all the childish, mean, and cruel things John has EVER said or done because he's always just good ol' honest John and you're just like him, and Paul is that drippy sneaky platic PR guy that can't be trusted.
BULLSHIT.
What's the difference? This isn't even a news story. The vid comes from a loser PAPARAZZI BLOG with tips on getting the best *money shot* Making a celeb look bad is what they DO. The British tab's haven't even picked up on it. Why? Because they already got their shot. Paul had already cooperated with photographers that day in exchange for (hopefully) being left alone.
But they weren't left alone and EVERYONE has their limit when harassed.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ABUSIVE THINGS THIS WOMAN MAY HAVE SAID TO PROVOKE HIM OR NANCY. PERIOD. Surely you don't believe that the vid tap was only turned on at that moment. The context to judge him to hell, is missing.
I recall on the old board, in the heat of debate, you mocking someone's weight (remember charon) quite unnecessarily since it had NOTHING to do with the discussion, but you were losing the debate (IMO) and wanted to hurt and humiliate him. You didn't use the term *fatso* but the intent was still the same.
As I said, your a hypocite, Joe.
|
|
|
Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 22, 2008 12:42:44 GMT -5
Is that a threat, Joe? Maybe Paul needs to get a restraining order for Miss Fatso and *fans* like you.? If you abuse, disrespect, or harrass Paul (like this woman and the other useless paps did) then don't expect kind treatment. Fans that respect Paul's privacy don't run into such problems. Give me a fuckin' break. I saw Paul a couple of times and was never anything other than quietly respectful to him, even though he was a wise-ass both times. All I'm saying is that if he ever verbally insulted me, I'd verbally insult him right back - damned straight. I think you mean "hypocrite", but I see you're hypocritical as you're verbally abusing me... Yeah, what a fake he is, huh? Now the world finally knows. And I say you just have to give your Paulie the benefit of the doubt. Judging by the girl's astonishment, the verbal attack was uncalled for. I've also mentioned the guy at the beginning of the tape, and Paul mocking him. That's "hypocrite", again (two times now, so we know it's not just a typo). And Charon deserved it because he was the most insulting of all, and so he got it right back, too. I did not feel I was losing that debate in any way, shape, or form.
|
|
|
Post by Steve Marinucci on Aug 22, 2008 12:47:24 GMT -5
Joe, Melody and everyone: Let's keep the emotions down, please. This is an issue that none of us are involved in personally, other than the fact we like the Beatles. I don't want to have to take any actions (locking this thread if it gets out of hand, for one) because of a simple discussion.
|
|
|
Post by ccgoofball on Aug 22, 2008 15:43:36 GMT -5
Odd, the video seems to have been removed from the Mr Paparazzi website as well as his youtube account. In any case I agree that it was a brutal move by Paul, even if there was justification(and we don't know that there was). He's been in the game way too long not to know better....
|
|
|
Post by sayne on Aug 22, 2008 15:49:04 GMT -5
Joe, Melody and everyone: Let's keep the emotions down, please. This is an issue that none of us are involved in personally, other than the fact we like the Beatles. I don't want to have to take any actions (locking this thread if it gets out of hand, for one) because of a simple discussion. Steve, I've got this covered. Let me handle it. In an effort to bring piece and harmony to this thread, I'm going to hijack it. Here goes. John McCain is an ass and anyone who would CONSIDER voting for him is one, and anyone who WILL vote for him is a twit-ass. There, there. Feel better everyone? . . . Now that we're all calmed down . . .
|
|
|
Post by gottafeelin on Aug 22, 2008 16:09:45 GMT -5
He should have used the word "chubby" which has less impact of course. I think "chubby" would have been far worse. But I see "fatso" as a loveable term or a nickname between friends, like "ratso" as in Ratso Rizzo. If I were that fat little schoolgirl, I would have been flattered that PAUL MCCARTNEY thought I looked young. I would have just giggled, curtsied and spent the rest of the day on cloud nine. I was at a Ringo Starr concert once and I kept standing up and waving, yelling "RINGO" while everyone else was sitting down. He finally looked over and testily said, "Yeah yeah, I see ya." I was so stoked that Ringo Starr got annoyed at me! I mean how many people can say that other than Gellman from Regis and Kelly!
|
|
|
Post by scousette on Aug 22, 2008 17:13:52 GMT -5
He should have used the word "chubby" which has less impact of course. I think "chubby" would have been far worse. But I see "fatso" as a loveable term or a nickname between friends, like "ratso" as in Ratso Rizzo. If I were that fat little schoolgirl, I would have been flattered that PAUL MCCARTNEY thought I looked young. I would have just giggled, curtsied and spent the rest of the day on cloud nine. I was at a Ringo Starr concert once and I kept standing up and waving, yelling "RINGO" while everyone else was sitting down. He finally looked over and testily said, "Yeah yeah, I see ya." I was so stoked that Ringo Starr got annoyed at me! I mean how many people can say that other than Gellman from Regis and Kelly! You watch Regis and Kelly?
|
|
cosmo
Very Clean
Posts: 264
|
Post by cosmo on Aug 22, 2008 17:14:53 GMT -5
I've read the 3 pages of this discussion without watching the video - and I don't think I will...If that's Paul showing his true colors, I don't want to know. I think it sounds painful to watch.
But even without seeing it, I think I agree with those who said Paul should have taken the higher road and just ignored the couple, as difficult as that might have been. He's just stupid if he lets the media start baiting him...shoot, HM will start paying people to do it!
I know Paul's a real person and not a robot or a stereotype, but he did pretty well PR- and fan-wise with his reputation as the "nice" Beatle - it would be a shame to erode the public's fondness for him now.
You guys have the right to call me on this - but I would have been less likely to hold John's (or even George's) being rude to people against him than I would against Paul. Strange and unfair, but true.
|
|
Joseph McCabe
Very Clean
A rebel to his last breath ...
Posts: 912
|
Post by Joseph McCabe on Aug 22, 2008 19:02:45 GMT -5
And Charon deserved it because he was the most insulting of all, and so he got it right back, too. I did not feel I was losing that debate in any way, shape, or form. Ah Joe, thought this might be a good opportunity to let you know that Charon is around still as Joseph McCabe. I was inspired to change my user name by that famous debate on the old board. If you search on "Joseph McCabe", you will see why!
|
|
JMG
Very Clean
Posts: 412
|
Post by JMG on Aug 22, 2008 19:37:35 GMT -5
Joe, Melody and everyone: Let's keep the emotions down, please. This is an issue that none of us are involved in personally, other than the fact we like the Beatles. I don't want to have to take any actions (locking this thread if it gets out of hand, for one) because of a simple discussion. Steve, I say turn the fire hose on the fucking lot of 'em, if not to cool 'em down then just for the hell of it! They deserve it for arguing about a silly incident such as this! But that's just me.
|
|
|
Post by Steve Marinucci on Aug 22, 2008 20:24:17 GMT -5
Joe, Melody and everyone: Let's keep the emotions down, please. This is an issue that none of us are involved in personally, other than the fact we like the Beatles. I don't want to have to take any actions (locking this thread if it gets out of hand, for one) because of a simple discussion. Steve, I've got this covered. Let me handle it. In an effort to bring piece and harmony to this thread, I'm going to hijack it. Here goes. John McCain is an ass and anyone who would CONSIDER voting for him is one, and anyone who WILL vote for him is a twit-ass. There, there. Feel better everyone? . . . Now that we're all calmed down . . . Be careful. There are some conservatives on this board.
|
|
|
Post by joeyself on Aug 22, 2008 22:02:21 GMT -5
Steve, I've got this covered. Let me handle it. In an effort to bring piece and harmony to this thread, I'm going to hijack it. Here goes. John McCain is an ass and anyone who would CONSIDER voting for him is one, and anyone who WILL vote for him is a twit-ass. There, there. Feel better everyone? . . . Now that we're all calmed down . . . Be careful. There are some conservatives on this board. Yep, there are. Of course, we shouldn't take offense at barbs at the expense of John McCain. ;D I heard he was counting on Republicans to cross over to vote for him in this election. JcS
|
|
|
Post by sayne on Aug 23, 2008 2:03:16 GMT -5
I heard he was counting on Republicans to cross over to vote for him in this election. JcS That's a funny one! In the spirit of fair play, here's one: Q. Why doesn’t Barack Obama drink Pepsi? A. He thinks that things go better with coke.
|
|
|
Post by melody on Aug 23, 2008 12:26:31 GMT -5
Joe, Melody and everyone: Let's keep the emotions down, please. This is an issue that none of us are involved in personally, other than the fact we like the Beatles. I don't want to have to take any actions (locking this thread if it gets out of hand, for one) because of a simple discussion. Steve, I say turn the fire hose on the fucking lot of 'em, if not to cool 'em down then just for the hell of it! They deserve it for arguing about a silly incident such as this! But that's just me. It's not just you. I've since turned the hose on myself! My apologies, Steve. You are quite right. I won't be commenting any further on this topic.
|
|
|
Post by John S. Damm on Aug 23, 2008 13:55:13 GMT -5
Steve, I say turn the fire hose on the fucking lot of 'em, if not to cool 'em down then just for the hell of it! They deserve it for arguing about a silly incident such as this! But that's just me. It's not just you. I've since turned the hose on myself! My apologies, Steve. You are quite right. I won't be commenting any further on this topic. Hey, don't stop commenting, melody. You are an articulate, objective advocate for Macca. I say that admiringly even as I have been caught in your crosshairs before for my belicose posts on Paul's personal or family life. I am glad that Steve is here to stop firefights that may get irreparably ugly but I didn't think that you and JoeK were there yet. Better safe than sorry though. Still, your thoughts on Paul, musically and otherwise, are insightful and have caused me to rethink my position. Having said all of that, be kind when you read my recent post on the Paul Gump Thread. ;D
|
|
|
Post by Steve Marinucci on Aug 23, 2008 15:33:03 GMT -5
It's not just you. I've since turned the hose on myself! My apologies, Steve. You are quite right. I won't be commenting any further on this topic. Melody: Don't stop discussing it. My only concern was that the emotions were getting a bit out of hand for this sort of an issue. That's all. It can still be discussed and I hope you will.
|
|
|
Post by Steve Marinucci on Aug 23, 2008 15:38:03 GMT -5
Hey, don't stop commenting, melody. You are an articulate, objective advocate for Macca. I say that admiringly even as I have been caught in your crosshairs before for my belicose posts on Paul's personal or family life. I am glad that Steve is here to stop firefights that may get irreparably ugly but I didn't think that you and JoeK were there yet. Better safe than sorry though. Still, your thoughts on Paul, musically and otherwise, are insightful and have caused me to rethink my position. Having said all of that, be kind when you read my recent post on the Paul Gump Thread. ;D Thanks, John. Let me just say to you, melody and Joe that I'm trying to avoid the types of disputes I see on another board I hang on where problems are handled a bit differently. (Don't ask ... it's not worth it.) And again, I'm all for discussing this. Beatle criticism is welcome here. We all know they're human. But when things get emotional and words get tossed around, I get a little concerned. That's all, really.
|
|
|
Post by Sir Frankie Crisp on Aug 23, 2008 21:00:12 GMT -5
Joe, Melody and everyone: Let's keep the emotions down, please. This is an issue that none of us are involved in personally, other than the fact we like the Beatles. I don't want to have to take any actions (locking this thread if it gets out of hand, for one) because of a simple discussion. It’s kind of interesting that we’ll criticize and judge Paul McCartney for his juvenile language towards a paparazzi and yet we unravel and get snarky with each other in our stately little ant colony at Abbey Rd. I'd say we're (re)acting the same way Paul did. It just goes to show you what a little provocation can do.
|
|
|
Post by Steve Marinucci on Aug 23, 2008 23:25:32 GMT -5
It’s kind of interesting that we’ll criticize and judge Paul McCartney for his juvenile language towards a paparazzi and yet we unravel and get snarky with each other in our stately little ant colony at Abbey Rd. I'd say we're (re)acting the same way Paul did. It just goes to show you what a little provocation can do. Nah, I don't think it's quite the same thing. Paul's reaction and the reaction here are two different animals. Paul's reaction was strictly personal. The discussion here was more of a why or should it have happened. Paul's not the first celebrity to spout off at the paparazzi. Heck, Sinatra made it his trademark. People aren't used to seeing Paul do it ... or thinking that he will. But Paul restricts his personal space and I can't say I blame him. Ringo's been known to do the same. Neither of them don't usually react this way, but there comes a point where the whole fishbowl thing has got to get to you. Paul's reaction was ugly. Maybe he regrets it, maybe he doesn't. I don't care whether he does or not. Today's paparazzi are not nice people. Paul's only human. He showed it.
|
|
|
Post by jimc on Aug 23, 2008 23:45:15 GMT -5
JoeK, as usual, you're muddying the waters. Yes, as usual I'm just being very real and honest about my feelings. Sorry if they don't always come out in a way that tows the line or suits you. Just because several people want to give their Paulie the benefit of the doubt does not make it so. I don't know what happened beforehand either, but I did witness Paul erupt at a female fan with my own eyes and snatch this fan's crystal gift from his wife Linda and throw it out the limo window and onto the ground. For no other reason than that he was having a bad day. The female fan was very polite. I never said such a thing to Paul, no - nor would I if it happened again in the future, I suspect, unless he insulted me personally and made personal comments toward me first which were designed to hurt. He'd better watch out if he ever said similar such things to me. Joe, I'll try this one more time: I'm not responding to your feelings. I don't care if you're honest; I don't care one or another about your feelings. The point is, you said earlier in this thread that "maybe the girl should have gone below the belt herself." My point is, again, we don't know, from the video, that she did not "go below the belt." You leap past that point and only consider the video. Remember, it is not "real," in the sense that it has been edited. Sure, most people (fans especially) would rather not see Paul respond in this way. But we don't know what the provocation might have been. You've also said something about the shock the girl expresses when Paul calls her "the fat schoolgirl." You do understand that she's performing here as well, right? Do you agree that her outrage might be feigned? Don't let these creeps play you. As for the insult about Paul's mother, you do understand that in a sense, you've already said it by posting it here?
|
|
|
Post by sexysadie on Aug 24, 2008 5:33:55 GMT -5
Paul was only showing he's human? And that's an excuse for calling a woman "fat," not once, but twice? No. No. NO.
It's never acceptable to deliberately hurt someone's feelings. Being "human" would have been shouting at the paparazzi to leave him alone. This is the guy who can't bear to think of eating a friggin' fish because it "has a face"...because even critters that swim in the primordial ooze have "feelings." But it's okay to ridicule a woman's physical appearance to HER face? She doesn't have feelings? I thinks it's clear from her reaction that she was indeed shocked and hurt by what he said.
In the venue of a message board, what difference does it make if someone points out that Stella's forehead can be seen from outer space, or that Nancy could use a sandwich (actually, a triple-decker club, with extra cheese and full-fat mayo)? They aren't here to read a single word of it. Yet some of the very people who are taking exception to those sorts of comments are defending Paul for insulting a woman in an extremely personal way. Unbelievable. But then those who worship Sir Perfect aren't exactly rational thinkers.
Witness the meltdown about Paul not having security, and continuing to live at his Cavendish home. I've been accused of being unfairly critical of Paul, but there ARE things I admire about him--and right at the top of the list is the fact that he doesn't restrict his life out of fear that another scumball like Chapman could be lurking around the corner. He lives where he wants to live, goes where he want to go, and if he wants to walk, or take a bus or subway, he does it. He hated all the security Heather insisted on, and said he was thrilled to be rid of it. Who can blame him for not wanting to live like a caged animal? Not only do security people cramp his style, but they are a constant reminder that someone might want to do him harm. He once said that if anyone really wanted to get to him, he knew there was little he could do to stop it. George was out in the country on a huge estate, protected by iron gates, stone walls, and a top-notch security system, yet he was still attacked. Cavendish is full of 40+ years of memories for him--Beatles memories, personal memories. Why the hell should he sell it? Good on him for living his life on his own terms.
But bad on him for acting like a common schoolyard bully. See, fair and balanced. But no political discussion. McCain may be an ass, but Obama is an empty suit. So go ahead and pick your poison.
|
|
|
Post by John S. Damm on Aug 24, 2008 10:16:31 GMT -5
.....what difference does it make if someone points out that Stella's forehead can be seen from outer space........ Okay, aside from the point you are making, I am ROTFLMFAO on that bit. Well, Paul has a family that loves and needs him. It can be just plain foolish for a celebrity of Paul's magnitude to totally disavow security. Do we even know that Paul has no security at all or is that another Macca P.R. spin? There was no "meltdown" on Cavendish, just a remark that it exposes Paul to a fishbowl existence to the whole world, some elements of that world annoying(the press) and others downright dangerous(the stalkers and simple criminal element).
|
|
|
Post by melody on Aug 24, 2008 17:24:32 GMT -5
It's not just you. I've since turned the hose on myself! My apologies, Steve. You are quite right. I won't be commenting any further on this topic. Hey, don't stop commenting, melody. You are an articulate, objective advocate for Macca. I say that admiringly even as I have been caught in your crosshairs before for my belicose posts on Paul's personal or family life. I am glad that Steve is here to stop firefights that may get irreparably ugly but I didn't think that you and JoeK were there yet. Better safe than sorry though. Still, your thoughts on Paul, musically and otherwise, are insightful and have caused me to rethink my position. Having said all of that, be kind when you read my recent post on the Paul Gump Thread. ;D I was a little afraid to even look at this thread again...I'm glad Steve did his job. Thanks for the shout out and your encouraging comments, John. I think you'll agree I was calm (and as objective as possible) even if we differ somewhat in our views, in the Paul Gump thread - something to strive for, more often! ;D
|
|
|
Post by melody on Aug 24, 2008 18:27:05 GMT -5
It's not just you. I've since turned the hose on myself! My apologies, Steve. You are quite right. I won't be commenting any further on this topic. Melody: Don't stop discussing it. My only concern was that the emotions were getting a bit out of hand for this sort of an issue. That's all. It can still be discussed and I hope you will. Thanks. I understand your concern and agree emotions were getting out of hand. Not much more to say really but I'll just add one more point. For what it's worth, in looking around the net a bit, I've not noticed as much controversy and reaction among other Beatle fans as there has been here - at least at the places I've looked at . I'm not sure why that is, exactly. As an example, the few that bothered to respond to the topic at the rec.music.beatles newsgroup seemed totally unwilling to slate him over it for the same reasons some of us have mentioned here - and several seemed only bemused by Paul's uncharacteristic lack of cheery thumbs-up diplomacy. None of the nasty celeb gossip sites picked up the video either. I may be naive, but I'm hoping the linked article might have something to do with it (ie. celeb gossip sites vowing to be more self-censoring in the pics/vid's they use when celebs are 'off duty' or clearly chased, or under distress having their pics taken) which would certainly apply to Paul and Nancy in this instance. www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/feb/12/digitalmedia.pressandpublishing
|
|