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Post by ccgoofball on Aug 19, 2008 19:18:19 GMT -5
I had a quick look and didn't see this posted but apologies if it has been. I found a link to this video from Youtube. www.mrpaparazzi.com/post/3667/Paul-McCartney-Is-A-Nasty-Piece-Of-Work.aspxWhatever happened to the smiling, thumbs always up Paul? Of course he's probably followed by the same idiots with cameras everyday so I'm sure there's a reason why he went so hard at the woman! BTW Love the new board.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Aug 19, 2008 19:59:10 GMT -5
I had a quick look and didn't see this posted but apologies if it has been. I found a link to this video from Youtube. www.mrpaparazzi.com/post/3667/Paul-McCartney-Is-A-Nasty-Piece-Of-Work.aspxWhatever happened to the smiling, thumbs always up Paul? Of course he's probably followed by the same idiots with cameras everyday so I'm sure there's a reason why he went so hard at the woman! BTW Love the new board. I've been aware of that for a couple of days. It's caused a lot of discussion on McCartney lists, but no one knows what led up to that.
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Post by scousette on Aug 19, 2008 20:04:47 GMT -5
Maybe the woman was Heather or her sister Fiona? And what's up with Nancy keeping 10 paces behind him?
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 19, 2008 22:57:16 GMT -5
Hmm. Bummer. It was rather cowardly of Paul to focus his wrath on the woman who wasn't aggresive like that man photographer was. It was Paul who walked by her while the man is getting in his face taking pictures. I guess Paul figured the woman was a softer target: she couldn't deck him like the man might. Paul, and all celebrities, should ignore these photographers as obnoxious as they are. If the celebrity can play it cool the photos or videos aren't worth much but if the celebrity loses his/her cool, the thing become worth millions and ends up on ET! I will give Nancy credit for keeping her cool and remaining quiet. Geez, she acted like the pro and Paul the rookie. I've always said that that I don't really want to meet Paul or Ringo because I would be bummed if I saw one of them and they told me to f-off even if I was polite and respectful. I wonder if Paul called Linda a "fatso" in her later years when she was no longer slim or son James one when he put the lbs on a few years ago? I must say that this is disappointing. It shows that obesity must really bug Paul. He sounded hateful in a gleeful way when calling this woman "fatso." I bet Sir Paul has already regretted this and sent this woman flowers with an apology.
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Post by sayne on Aug 19, 2008 23:03:05 GMT -5
I bet Paul wishes he was still getting his kicks on Route 66.
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Post by mikev on Aug 19, 2008 23:17:36 GMT -5
That was just Lulu...pissed off because Paul ditched her.
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Post by vectisfabber on Aug 20, 2008 3:33:48 GMT -5
I would love to see the 5 minutes of video leading up to that point. The venom in what the girl is saying and the way she is saying it, notwithstanding McCartney's unpleasantness to her, makes me suspect that this might have been a setup to provoke him into a reaction. She doesn't exactly sound like someone who started out loving him and his music.
Having said that, McCartney's been around the block a few times and should know better than to rise to the bait (but then again, why shouldn't he?).
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Post by ursamajor on Aug 20, 2008 4:42:05 GMT -5
I thought Paul was being too kind to her.
The video seemed heavily edited and looks like Paul was being stalked by fatso for a while.
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Post by sexysadie on Aug 20, 2008 5:53:53 GMT -5
C'mon, he's been at the fame thing long enough to know you can't win by acting like a jerk--especially when there is a camera recording your every word and action. He didn't care what Nancy thought? She looks embarrassed. I would have been.
This has happened before. There is a clip on YouTube of Paul repeatedly yelling at photographers not to follow him, and at one point he puts his hand over a camera lens. And there was that incident a few years ago when he got aggressive with a photographer after having too much to drink, and then turned on a well-meaning fan who approached him, telling him to "f*ck off."
It's so idiotic of him. If he had walked along and said nothing, this tape would be worthless. He's just giving the paparazzi exactly what they want--a celebrity behaving badly.
At least he kept his underwear on.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 20, 2008 8:38:24 GMT -5
At least he kept his underwear on. And for that we are grateful although the "boys" sometimes enjoy the freedom to hang free. I learned that through the male bonding naked "Mumbo Stomp" around a large bonfire.
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Post by hotassun on Aug 20, 2008 9:23:22 GMT -5
You are a strange, little man
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Post by scousette on Aug 20, 2008 11:15:26 GMT -5
Paul isn't exactly an Adonis himself. The "Fatso" remarks are really mean. Unless he has some history with this particular paparazza (?) that caused bad blood, I don't get why he was so belligerent.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Aug 20, 2008 13:45:50 GMT -5
Speaking of history, here is one of the comments below the video:
85th That video doesn't show earlier in the day when he stopped and told them "You have me, take your pictures then leave me alone." He gave them ample time for pics then tried to go on his way. They didn't hold to their end of the bargain. Of course you wouldn't expect a site called "Mr Paparazzi" to tell both sides in this type of incident, would you? Posted by: get back on 19/08/2008 23:44:50 , report abuse
If that is the case, Paul is perfectly justified. These stalkers don't know when to take no for an answer.
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Post by joeyself on Aug 20, 2008 16:08:20 GMT -5
Paul isn't exactly an Adonis himself. The "Fatso" remarks are really mean. Unless he has some history with this particular paparazza (?) that caused bad blood, I don't get why he was so belligerent. I agree, and even if there WAS bad blood, calling her a parasite or an idiot or something other than a name based on her personal appearance would have been more acceptable, even understandable. What's next--a reporter will be called out because of the mole on his forehead? It showed Paul was irritated, no doubt, but this was unexcuseable, even if something had happened before the tape starts online. JcS
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Post by melody on Aug 20, 2008 16:31:02 GMT -5
Paul isn't exactly an Adonis himself. The "Fatso" remarks are really mean. Unless he has some history with this particular paparazza (?) that caused bad blood, I don't get why he was so belligerent. Hold on, scousette. What about her belligerence towards him? What about unkind jokes and some very mean-spirited comments (IMO) made by members here (not singling anyone out ) in the past (and present) about the physical imperfections of, in particular, Yoko, Sean, Heather Mills, Linda, recently Nancy, some of Paul's kids, and Paul himself. Is it okay for us because it's not said to their faces, supposedly harmless fun, celebrities are fair game, but not okay for Paul, no matter what the circumstances? Being stalked or harassed doesn't bring out the best in people. I've said insulting things to my husband (and equally vise-versa) when extremely riled and provoked and thank heavens there was nobody there to film the transgression and sell the footage to a paparazzi web-site. The edited video footage looks to be outside his Cavandish home. Paul had stopped earlier this same day to pose for photos in exchange for being left alone. Did these obnoxious paps continue to wait outside the restaurant and follow them all the way home? It's possible that Paul already repeatedly asked them (politely but firmly) to go away, and we don't get to see that footage? I would bet on bad history and trouble in the past with this particular woman (by the way he is talking to her). She may have deliberately trying to provoke the *money shot*. She could have said something insulting or abusive about Paul and/or Nancy's, which provoked Paul to return the insult. From a PR point of view, he would have been off not to have said it, but in context, she had it coming, and I can't fault him for blasting off every once in awhile. Paul needs to reconsider having some kind of protection in the vicinity for these private outings (esp. in the UK) to keep these loser stalkers at a safe distance, and avoid these situations as much as humanly possible.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Aug 20, 2008 16:58:35 GMT -5
Hold on, scousette. What about her belligerence towards him? What about unkind jokes and some very mean-spirited comments (IMO) made by members here (not singling anyone out ) in the past (and present) about the physical imperfections of, in particular, Yoko, Sean, Heather Mills, Linda, recently Nancy, some of Paul's kids, and Paul himself. Is it okay for us because it's not said to their faces, supposedly harmless fun, celebrities are fair game, but not okay for Paul, no matter what the circumstances? Being stalked or harassed doesn't bring out the best in people. I've said insulting things to my husband (and equally vise-versa) when extremely riled and provoked and thank heavens there was nobody there to film the transgression and sell the footage to a paparazzi web-site. The edited video footage looks to be outside his Cavandish home. Paul had stopped earlier this same day to pose for photos in exchange for being left alone. Did these obnoxious paps continue to wait outside the restaurant and follow them all the way home? It's possible that Paul already repeatedly asked them (politely but firmly) to go away, and we don't get to see that footage? I would bet on bad history and trouble in the past with this particular woman (by the way he is talking to her). She may have deliberately trying to provoke the *money shot*. She could have said something insulting or abusive about Paul and/or Nancy's, which provoked Paul to return the insult. From a PR point of view, he would have been off not to have said it, but in context, she had it coming, and I can't fault him for blasting off every once in awhile. Paul needs to reconsider having some kind of protection in the vicinity for these private outings (esp. in the UK) to keep these loser stalkers at a safe distance, and avoid these situations as much as humanly possible. I agree, mel. Whatever happened, the woman seemed to want to really provoke it by not only laying into Paul, but Nancy as well. Why Paul didn't have some security with him is beyond me.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 20, 2008 17:11:33 GMT -5
What about her belligerence towards him? I did not like her language either. She did not take the high road either. [Gulp] I have publicly apologized for my past comments on one half of the original Macca kids. And I have been a leading champion of deploring cheap shots at Heather Mills because of her loss of a limb(including the horrible things said and done in this regard by Stella McCartney like the mocking jewelry figurine). Heather gives us enough ammunition from other sources to leave her truly tragic disability out of it. Does the old, "Honey, I said those things in the heat of battle, I didn't mean it!", work in your house? It doesn't in mine. Well, not at least when I use it. Of course, when I receive the extremely rare apology I am a gracious winner. ;D I was really upset when there was talk of Heather Mills getting the Cavandish home in the divorce because of all of the Beatles' connections to that house. Many songs were written or worked on there and it was the place for the boys to go before and after Abbey Road Studio sessions. Yet that video shows how exposed Paul is from not just the paparazzi but more dangerous types of people. Maybe Paul should sell it as his life there must be so fishbowlish. We know Linda hated it(because of the location).
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Post by scousette on Aug 20, 2008 17:34:57 GMT -5
Paul isn't exactly an Adonis himself. The "Fatso" remarks are really mean. Unless he has some history with this particular paparazza (?) that caused bad blood, I don't get why he was so belligerent. Hold on, scousette. What about her belligerence towards him? I'll go back and watch the clip if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that the "You're like a fat schoolgirl" remark Paul made to the woman was sort of out of the blue. If the few minutes just prior to this incident were also on the clip it would be easier to get the context. After he called her a fat schoolgirl, she called him an old man with no life. He called her a fatso just before going into the yard in front of his home. Both were insulting, but it's more unnerving, IMO, to call somebody "fatso." Something about this woman's voice reminded me of Heather. I will admit, I have posted unflattering pictures of Heather Mills and I think of Linda McCartney as well. As far as unkind comments about their physical appearance, I know I have said that Heather was skanky looking (whatever that means). I admit I have snickered at jokes about her missing leg. I have said that Linda could be sort of horsey looking, but I have also commented on how much more attractive she was as she got older. I've commented on Nancy Shevell's resemblance to Mary McCartney (I think Mary is attractive, BTW.). I don't pick on the kids' looks. Maybe the cloak of anonymity on a message board does give us license to be snarky. I still think that for Paul to call a woman "fatso" is an act of belligerence.
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Post by sayne on Aug 20, 2008 17:48:19 GMT -5
Paul is perfect and always right! IF the woman is fat, she is a "fatso". Paul is not a loser, and to say whether he is or not is an opinion. Facts trump opinions. Therefore, Paul wins. So there!
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Post by Sir Frankie Crisp on Aug 20, 2008 20:48:23 GMT -5
Well stop the press! Paul told someone off in a not so polite manner. Big freaking deal. I can't get my unitard in a twist over a dubious little video clip of Paul losing his cool with some lard ass leech that may or may not have provoked him. Besides, we all have bad days and it seems to me as I get older the crotchety days rear their ugly head more than I’d care to admit. I leave the house every morning with a fist full of Valium as I get up the nerve to elbow my way onto a jam packed transit system that's teeming with super-sized, hormonally challenged individuals that have either been marinating in Aqua Velva or haven’t discovered deodorant. It doesn’t take long for the gag reflex to shift into overdrive but I digress.
I said it before and I’ll say it again - I don't know how celebrities maintain their cool with people constantly tugging at their shirt tail wanting a photo, a handshake or an autograph. I realize it comes with the territory but somewhere along the way we took a nasty turn into the TMZ zone where every pimple and fart gets reported in order to make the celebrity look as foolish as possible. And if this involves goading or provocation well then so be it. The paparazzi can’t possibly set the bar any lower.
It’s like when George said “I’m fine in my garden but the second I step outside my gate I think I’m on the wrong planet.” Ain’t that the truth.
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Post by gottafeelin on Aug 21, 2008 10:39:11 GMT -5
Paul isn't exactly an Adonis himself. The "Fatso" remarks are really mean. Unless he has some history with this particular paparazza (?) that caused bad blood, I don't get why he was so belligerent. Maybe Paul has a history with fatsos. Didn't his brother Mike used to make fun of him for being fat when he was little? Just think if John Lennon would have called MDC a fatso, it would have sent him away blubbering and dejected and history would have been changed.
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Post by ChuckE on Aug 21, 2008 12:14:54 GMT -5
Just think if John Lennon would have called MDC a fatso, it would have sent him away blubbering and dejected and history would have been changed. I tend to think the opposite is true. "Never call someone 'fatso' if he/she has a gun in his/her hand" is a rule I live by, personally... Who knows... maybe George Harrison's mysterious chanting that he used against his knife attacker could have partially translated to "fatso"? NP: Stevie Ray Vaughan, "Superstition," The Essential Stevie Ray Vaughan
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Post by gottafeelin on Aug 21, 2008 15:59:42 GMT -5
Just think if John Lennon would have called MDC a fatso, it would have sent him away blubbering and dejected and history would have been changed. I tend to think the opposite is true. "Never call someone 'fatso' if he/she has a gun in his/her hand" is a rule I live by, personally... Who knows... maybe George Harrison's mysterious chanting that he used against his knife attacker could have partially translated to "fatso"? NP: Stevie Ray Vaughan, "Superstition," The Essential Stevie Ray VaughanExcellent points. Although I think Olivia was more likely to call George's attacker fatso, as in "Take that, fatso!" as she hit him over the head. And it saved his life, didn't it?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 21, 2008 16:56:04 GMT -5
Just found this thread. I only watched the video once (so far) .. haven't studied it or anything, but my first impression is that Paul was WAAAAAYYYYYY out of line calling this girl a "fat schoolgirl" and then nastily repeating "fatso" over and over. What a creep. Especially when considering how many people supported him during his difficult times with his divorce.
Hey, Paul - get another job if you're not used to this sort of intrusion on your walks by now. And yes, if Paul handled this smartly, ie: not saying anything and continuing to walk, he'd look much better.
But of course, I've had my own horror story 'in-person' with an angry Paul, in NYC. Not a sight any Beatle fan would want to witness.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 21, 2008 17:09:26 GMT -5
Saw it a second time. Still beneath Paul to namecall like that. Whatever his reasons. And So..... But what the hell --- maybe the girl should have gone below the belt herself. For starters, did you check out Paul's latest crown on his head? I'm sure he's vain enough to be sensitive to that, and perhaps the girl should have come back with "WHATEVER YOU SAY, BALDIE -- NICE CROWN!" ;D If that failed, she could have bounced back with "WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR VOICE? CAN'T SING ANYMORE, EH?" Last resort: "HEY, PAUL -- WOULDA BEEN GREAT IF YOUR MOM COULD HAVE SEEN YOUR SUCCESS, HUH?" . Give him a dose of his own meds. I guarantee he would have felt just as humiliated as that woman felt and would have had these things stuck at least for a while in his mind. Maybe Nancy would have had to hug him and wipe his tears. So you wanna get Personal, Macca?
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Post by scousette on Aug 21, 2008 18:30:06 GMT -5
Just found this thread. I only watched the video once (so far) .. haven't studied it or anything, but my first impression is that Paul was WAAAAAYYYYYY out of line calling this girl a "fat schoolgirl" and then nastily repeating "fatso" over and over. What a creep. Especially when considering how many people supported him during his difficult times with his divorce. Mark this date in the Abbeyrd annals. JoeK and I agree.
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Post by melody on Aug 21, 2008 20:54:35 GMT -5
Indeed. We're not getting the complete picture. What led up to such an uncharacteristic taunt from Paul and why wasn't it included in the clip? I could see Paul being pushed over the edge if they attempted to tuant or insult Nancy (perhaps remarks about her thinness) resulting in the fatso schoolgirl retort. An eye for an eye type of thing.
It is a beligerant schoolground insult, intentionally so, it's uncomfortable to watch it, but I can think of far worse things he could have said or done, and regardless of what the woman did or said to provoke it, hounding and stalking people with a videocamera for the purposes of selling the footage is in itself, a beligerent, creepy, and exploitive act (IMO). She should get another proper job if she can't take the inevitable backlash.
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Post by jimc on Aug 21, 2008 21:36:22 GMT -5
I'm holding judgment until (if ever) the context of the remarks are clear. Remembering a confrontation with a female neighbor a few years ago, I can understand what might lead one to call a video camera stalker a fat schoolgirl and such things.
JoeK, as usual, you're muddying the waters. You suggest that the girl should have "gone below the belt herself." HOW DO WE KNOW SHE DIDN"T TO BEGIN WITH? Remember, she might have provoked the verbal assault. I think several folks have made this point.
And did you really suggest a comment about Paul's dead mother? What would cause you to even consider that? How does that come into your mind? If you met Paul again, and whether or not it went badly, would you consider saying that?
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 21, 2008 22:06:51 GMT -5
Indeed. We're not getting the complete picture. What led up to such an uncharacteristic taunt from Paul and why wasn't it included in the clip? I could see Paul being pushed over the edge if they attempted to tuant or insult Nancy (perhaps remarks about her thinness) resulting in the fatso schoolgirl retort. An eye for an eye type of thing. It is a beligerant schoolground insult, intentionally so, it's uncomfortable to watch it, but I can think of far worse things he could have said or done, and regardless of what the woman did or said to provoke it, hounding and stalking people with a videocamera for the purposes of selling the footage is in itself, a beligerent, creepy, and exploitive act (IMO). She should get another proper job if she can't take the inevitable backlash. You know, the more I think about this, the more I think of the word "childish." Paul was acting childish by continuing to say, "Bye fatso." But you know what, being childish isn't the worst thing in the world. Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me. I wish Paul would have stayed cool for the reasons several of us have said but his remarks seem merely childish compared to that woman's subsequent profanity laced tirade. She's bleeped out so we don't really know what she's saying. Maybe she was threatening to cut his testicles off or something! Paul has some wonderful lyrics that advise, "For well you know that it's a fool, who plays it cool by making his world a little colder." Paul should have kept quiet and walked tall like a man. That didn't happen but he also didn't hit her or anything, he just acted childish. We all do that sometimes.
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Post by melody on Aug 21, 2008 22:14:46 GMT -5
Um, no, that doesn't always work in my household either. I've found the best method is to either, 1) disengage and walk away before things get too heated, or 2) outright avoidance of certain subjects that I KNOW are hopeless and will always lead to trouble. Always good to be a gracious winner, JSD. I really wasn't singling anyone out. I've made jokes, gossiped, said critical or silly things about other people's clothes or looks too (I try not to very often though). My point was really just to allow Paul the same lattitude as myself or anyone to occassionally blow-up, screw-up, say the wrong thing, be crude or crass, especially when provoked or harassed, yada, yada, as he clearly was in this instance. The fishbowl thing must be very aggravating after all these years and it worry's me too, but Paul will never sell Cavendish.
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