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Post by beatleroadie on Feb 24, 2009 10:05:53 GMT -5
One of the Holy Grails of Beatles outtakes has arrived and it's wonderful. If anyone can rip this audio off YouTube and e-mail an mp3 to americanthrift@gmail.com, I'll be forever grateful: www.nme.com/news/the-beatles/42967and the direct link: |
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Post by Beatle Bob on Feb 24, 2009 10:23:27 GMT -5
It's from the new HMC (Yellow Dog) release (it's fantastic!)"REVOLUTION...TAKE YOUR KNICKERS OFF!" that includes upgrades on Julia demos and Step Inside demo and studio session with Cilla Black and the Paul produced (and on guide vocals) Come And Get It with Badfinger and more. Go to the Bootlegzone for more nfor or Sulpy's 910 board. Regards, Beatle Bob  |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Feb 24, 2009 15:06:39 GMT -5
One of the Holy Grails of Beatles outtakes has arrived and it's wonderful. If anyone can rip this audio off YouTube and e-mail an mp3 to americanthrift@gmail.com, I'll be forever grateful: www.nme.com/news/the-beatles/42967and the direct link: You can do it yourself. Here's one way (not the best, but you'll be pleased with the result). (A) Find another YouTube link (it's been removed, as I write, from the link you gave). (B) Download Audacity (free) from audacity.sourceforge.net/download/. (C) Play the video (when you've found a new one), recording the sound with Audacity. (D) Save. You got it! |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Feb 24, 2009 16:09:09 GMT -5
Because I'm such a nice guy, I've uploaded my copy of Rev 1 Take 20 to megaupload. You can download it here: www.megaupload.com/?d=AAJJJWS0Quality is not overwhelmingly great, but more than adequate. McCabe |
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 24, 2009 16:27:14 GMT -5
My Examiner column has comments on it from Doug Sulpy, John C. Winn and Allan Kozinn. tinyurl.com/aft7cj |
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Post by cublowell on Feb 24, 2009 22:31:17 GMT -5
Because I'm such a nice guy, I've uploaded my copy of Rev 1 Take 20 to megaupload. You can download it here: www.megaupload.com/?d=AAJJJWS0Quality is not overwhelmingly great, but more than adequate. McCabe thanks for that download! I really like hearing this song without the horns, which I've never liked, and with the extra effects...though the early fade was a good idea! |
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Post by sayne on Feb 24, 2009 23:48:37 GMT -5
Okay, choose one:
White Album as we know it with Revolution 1 and 9 as is
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White Album with Take 20 instead
Try to answer based on the times, not on today's perspective.
I think most people listen to Revolution 1 and skip Number 9. If Take 20 had been used, people would be skipping the whole thing.
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Post by jimc on Feb 25, 2009 0:27:42 GMT -5
Because I'm such a nice guy, I've uploaded my copy of Rev 1 Take 20 to megaupload. You can download it here: www.megaupload.com/?d=AAJJJWS0Quality is not overwhelmingly great, but more than adequate. McCabe Thank you. Thank you. I've been waiting for days to hear this since reading about it on the 910 board. This is the most extraordinary release from the Beatles in many years. Lewisohn calls take 18 "riveting" but this is the overdubbed version. As mentioned it's different to hear it without the horns, and there's a lead guitar overdub missing. I'm surprised Lewisohn isn't more ecastic about this version. The "mama, dada" chant from George and Paul is one of those great backing vocal moments that I'll forever associate with the group's recorded output, alongside "tit tit tit" from "Girl" and any number of others -- "Hello Goodbye," "You're Gonna Lose That Girl" etc. Just a great bit. I could never imagine how this became Revolution 9, but this version has many of favorite parts: John shouting "die" (?), the "dreeeeeam" weird singing and that strange piano figure, not to mention "you become naked." The topper is that nightmarish traffic noise (I think it's strings looped) that flashes into the mix during the regular performance of Revolution 1. It's similar to Tomorrow Never Knows, with its flock of birds. Great track. Should have been on Anthology III. Hell, I'm inclined to say it should have been on the White Album. |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Feb 25, 2009 1:23:24 GMT -5
I've been listening to this track for about a day and a half now ... I just got home from work, and here I am playing it over and over, again.
What a CLASSIC Beatles track.
I agree with what JimC said just above. Breathtaking ... a 2009 addition to true Fab music. I wonder if a batch of new material is around the corner ... dare we hope!?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 25, 2009 5:59:16 GMT -5
I still haven't heard it ... I'm not wild about downloads. I 'm hoping there'll be a straight link somewhere with easy access, or Youtube, or something. I'll keep trying. I'm not a big fan of "Revolution 1" as I am the fast version of "Revolution", but I'm still interested.
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Post by Beatle Bob on Feb 25, 2009 8:27:31 GMT -5
This track premiered on the new HMC (Yellow Dog) Beatles bootleg that was released last week entitled: REVOLUTION....TAKE YOUR KNICKER'S OFF! You can read about the new HMC sets, the Revolution #1 track itself and a great review by the Beatles' bootleg expert, Doug Sulpy: HMC Sets: www.bootlegzone.com/phpBB3/viewt ... =1&t=22215 Revolution #1: www.bootlegzone.com/phpBB3/viewt ... f=1&t=3768 Doug Sulpy's Review: dsulpy.proboards101.com/index.cg ... hread=3151 I have the Beatles and the Lennon sets. Essential to own and both containing new and or upgraded material that is mind-boggling! I hope these links help! Regards, Beatle Bob |
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Post by superhans on Feb 25, 2009 8:52:29 GMT -5
I still haven't heard it ... I'm not wild about downloads. I 'm hoping there'll be a straight link somewhere with easy access, or Youtube, or something. I'll keep trying. I'm not a big fan of "Revolution 1" as I am the fast version of "Revolution", but I'm still interested. Being a technology luddite, I can never get these flippin' downloads to work.  ...and I notice that the youtube links have all been de-activated, with the accompanying message - This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by EMI Music.  |
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Post by beatleroadie on Feb 25, 2009 12:04:04 GMT -5
I love this Take 20. And I can see how John may have gotten so excited about experimenting sonically that he decided to chop off the front half to be finished off as a polished song in order to be free to really get freaky with Revolution 9.
That said, I enjoy Take 20 more than either Rev 1 or Rev 9 because what I love about the Beatles was their uncanny ability to be progressive and experimental but always in a commercial way. The band's skill for producing songs that sounded both edgy and familiar was one of the keys to their success.
And I'll go on record with the theory that the "Mama, Dada" backing vocals are a reference to Dada art, which itself could be compared to this collage style of recording.
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Post by jimc on Feb 25, 2009 12:23:05 GMT -5
I love this Take 20. And I can see how John may have gotten so excited about experimenting sonically that he decided to chop off the front half to be finished off as a polished song in order to be free to really get freaky with Revolution 9. That said, I enjoy Take 20 more than either Rev 1 or Rev 9 because what I love about the Beatles was their uncanny ability to be progressive and experimental but always in a commercial way. The band's skill for producing songs that sounded both edgy and familiar was one of the keys to their success. And I'll go on record with the theory that the "Mama, Dada" backing vocals are a reference to Dada art, which itself could be compared to this collage style of recording. I'll bet you're right about the dada art. Doug Sulpy, I think, believes that the "mama, dada" is actually John and Yoko. Lewisohn says Paul and George. Sounds like the latter to me. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 25, 2009 12:30:54 GMT -5
I love this Take 20. And I can see how John may have gotten so excited about experimenting sonically that he decided to chop off the front half to be finished off as a polished song in order to be free to really get freaky with Revolution 9. That said, I enjoy Take 20 more than either Rev 1 or Rev 9 because what I love about the Beatles was their uncanny ability to be progressive and experimental but always in a commercial way. The band's skill for producing songs that sounded both edgy and familiar was one of the keys to their success. And I'll go on record with the theory that the "Mama, Dada" backing vocals are a reference to Dada art, which itself could be compared to this collage style of recording. I'll bet you're right about the dada art. Doug Sulpy, I think, believes that the "mama, dada" is actually John and Yoko. Lewisohn says Paul and George. Sounds like the latter to me. Is the "mama, dada" bits sung in falsetto or at least in a much higher register? Like most, I am listening to it through computer speakers. It is cool though, I like it whatever it means and whoever is singing it! |
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Post by beatleroadie on Feb 25, 2009 13:29:33 GMT -5
I can't tell yet if it's Paul and George or John and Yoko. . . I can usually spot Yoko's voice standing out among the guys, and my first reaction before knowing about the differences of opinion was thinking it was Paul.
I also wanted to add that I love the b-side,fast version of "Revolution," and even though Take 20 is super cool and something I prefer over Rev 1 and 9, it's no replacement for the most famous version of the song...
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Post by superhans on Feb 25, 2009 14:15:33 GMT -5
Take 20...Right. I've listened to it. It's interesting, but I think it all just gets 'lost in space'. It's self-indulgent piffling around in the studio - nothing more - a la Mary Jane. I can see now why Lennon kept the song part (Revolution 1) and sliced off the rest for further dabbling about with (Revolution 9). It all makes sense. Having listened to take 20 once, I don't think I'll be bothering with it again. Mama - Dada - whateva.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Feb 25, 2009 14:19:47 GMT -5
------------------ Doug Sulpy, I think, believes that the "mama, dada" is actually John and Yoko. Lewisohn says Paul and George. Sounds like the latter to me. The timbre of the voice(s) is male. Definitely NOT Yoko, imo. |
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 25, 2009 14:52:47 GMT -5
I love this Take 20. And I can see how John may have gotten so excited about experimenting sonically that he decided to chop off the front half to be finished off as a polished song in order to be free to really get freaky with Revolution 9. That said, I enjoy Take 20 more than either Rev 1 or Rev 9 because what I love about the Beatles was their uncanny ability to be progressive and experimental but always in a commercial way. The band's skill for producing songs that sounded both edgy and familiar was one of the keys to their success. And I'll go on record with the theory that the "Mama, Dada" backing vocals are a reference to Dada art, which itself could be compared to this collage style of recording. I love take 20, too. And I think the playfulness of the Mama/Dada points at least to Paul. Not sure about George, but it would make sense. I don't think it's Yoko. I don't think the rest of the Beatles would have given in to that strong a contribution by her. We know Beatle wives sang backup vocals (on "Birthday," for one), but this is a little more of an element in the song than that. |
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 25, 2009 14:53:43 GMT -5
One of the Holy Grails of Beatles outtakes has arrived and it's wonderful. If anyone can rip this audio off YouTube and e-mail an mp3 to americanthrift@gmail.com, I'll be forever grateful: www.nme.com/news/the-beatles/42967and the direct link: I have to question the Holy Grail term, which is used all too often, though it's damn significant I will say. |
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Post by sayne on Feb 25, 2009 16:42:12 GMT -5
I have to question the Holy Grail term . . . I agree. For me, there really only three "Holy Grails": Recordings made when Elvis met the Beatles Recordings of Dylan and John when they tried to write together Recordings of Hendrix, Clapton, and George in a New York hotel room What would be yours? My definition of "Holy Grail" would embody the mythical aspect. Not things like Take 4,013 spliced together with Take 12, etc. |
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Post by beatleroadie on Feb 25, 2009 18:29:39 GMT -5
Yeah, "Holy Grail" is a term thrown around about lots of things Beatles related just meaning something that is "long sought after." I was merely repeating what some of the early comments on YouTube called it. It's certainly a significant listen and the most revealing outtake (in terms of the band's creative process) to come to light in years, but really I should have used quotation marks around the term....
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Post by beatleroadie on Feb 25, 2009 18:36:47 GMT -5
Great question Sayne! Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many "Holy Grail" tracks for me other than ones people always reference: the super long version of "Helter Skelter" and "Carnival of Light." But I would love to hear John's lost "Goodnight" demo and some kind of demo or early version of "Here Comes The Sun."
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Post by mikev on Feb 26, 2009 20:11:43 GMT -5
If this composition was as intended at one point, then it truly is outstanding and should have been a biggie in the Anthology.
If it is a Giles Martin mash up-still interesting but tainted. Because Lewishon referenced it and EMI squashed it so fast I think it is the real deal.
My thought is that a version of Sour Milk Sea with George's guide vocal (not Kinfauns faux merge) would be pretty cool, as would acetates of Woman, World Without Love, etc.
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Post by sayne on Feb 26, 2009 21:41:06 GMT -5
. . . really I should have used quotation marks around the term.... No big. I didn't think you thought it was a "holy grail." |
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 27, 2009 0:56:27 GMT -5
But I would love to hear John's lost "Goodnight" demo.... That has always been a holy grail for me too simply because it would be so seemingly un-John for that era. I would like to hear take 1 of "In My Life," with just a single-tracked or even guide vocal from John. |
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 27, 2009 10:47:11 GMT -5
If this composition was as intended at one point, then it truly is outstanding and should have been a biggie in the Anthology. If it is a Giles Martin mash up-still interesting but tainted. Because Lewishon referenced it and EMI squashed it so fast I think it is the real deal. My thought is that a version of Sour Milk Sea with George's guide vocal (not Kinfauns faux merge) would be pretty cool, as would acetates of Woman, World Without Love, etc. All indications are that it's real. And yeah, I thought it would have been nice on the Anthology, but they wouldn't have used the whole thing. I'm glad we have as much as we do. |
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Post by jimc on Feb 27, 2009 11:53:11 GMT -5
If this composition was as intended at one point, then it truly is outstanding and should have been a biggie in the Anthology. If it is a Giles Martin mash up-still interesting but tainted. Because Lewishon referenced it and EMI squashed it so fast I think it is the real deal. My thought is that a version of Sour Milk Sea with George's guide vocal (not Kinfauns faux merge) would be pretty cool, as would acetates of Woman, World Without Love, etc. All indications are that it's real. And yeah, I thought it would have been nice on the Anthology, but they wouldn't have used the whole thing. I'm glad we have as much as we do. Why wouldn't they have used the entire take on Anthology? |
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 27, 2009 14:50:34 GMT -5
All indications are that it's real. And yeah, I thought it would have been nice on the Anthology, but they wouldn't have used the whole thing. I'm glad we have as much as we do. Why wouldn't they have used the entire take on Anthology? They would have edited it for space. I believe they did that with the "Helter Skelter" take and maybe one or two others, but that's a guess. But there was some editing done. |
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 27, 2009 22:55:43 GMT -5
I've been listening to this track for about a day and a half now ... I just got home from work, and here I am playing it over and over, again. What a CLASSIC Beatles track. I agree with what JimC said just above. Breathtaking ... a 2009 addition to true Fab music. I wonder if a batch of new material is around the corner ... dare we hope!? McCabe Bootleg wise? I'd be amazed. The well's been basically dry the last few years. |
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