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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 31, 2013 9:20:00 GMT -5
I'll sound like a killjoy here, but the Twotles will NOT EVER appear at a Beatles Convention.for safety purposes alone. It would be the equivalent of a person with a bloodied arm dipping it into a aquarium of hungry pirahna. I wouldn't bet on Paul or Ringo ever appearing -- however, I am not as sure about it as you are, because both Paul and Ringo have made appearances at book stores and record stores, to meet "rabid fans" and sign autographs. They also had to have known they would be attracting the most obsessed Beatles fans in the world by doing these appearances, yet the security was tight, and they did them.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 31, 2013 11:34:14 GMT -5
That was the Paul McCartney I became a fan of in 1975/1976. And of course now you have nothing but contempt for VENUS AND MARS, and you think the whole BOTR and mid-70s period was when Paul sold out! True because those were the albums out at the time. Plus Tyler & Carr, Rolling Stone, Nicholas Schaffner, and snobbish "Beatles only" First Generation fans were all telling me the CW was that Paul's first four solo albums sucked, that he was blindly stumbling out of the starting gate while John and George gloriously exploded like race horses. I was a 13/14 year old kid and had to trust the "experts." They proved unwise. I was young and fell in love musically with what was new and in 1975, BOTR and V & M were Paul's newest offerings. I later learned he was making even better music earlier. I am more though talking about Paul's public attitude where he wouldn't talk Beatles very much(now that's all he talks) and certainly wasn't marginalizing John Lennon. But the 50th is a time for healing, it is the time when all four Beatles came to these shores equal, even Ringo! Americans in 1964 just saw the Beatles as JohnPaulGeorgeRingo.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 9, 2014 12:13:43 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 9, 2014 13:15:45 GMT -5
I'd love this to happen. And I think Paul and Ringo have gotten beyond the whole "oh no, they're gonna call this another 'Beatles Reunion'!" stigma. They've played together before in recent years onstage, and I think they would do this strictly to honor the historic occasion. Would I actually bet money on this happening? No, as I'm not that certain it would...
As for who could play in the band, well there's always Letterman's band as it is. But how about Jim Keltner or Zak Starkey on the drums along with Ringo (as much as I love Richie, I think he'd need some support) ? At this stage of the game I'd even love to see Sean Lennon playing guitar and looking like '69 John, after recently seeing him with Yoko, and also live at the Bob Dylan concert this past summer.
The article also says that maybe there would be the whole week on Letterman devoted to other Beatle people who are still alive - Pete Best, Yoko, Alan Williams... I would like that.
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 9, 2014 16:51:23 GMT -5
If Paul & Ringo do accept Letterman's invitation to play and appear at The Ed Sullivan Theatre on his show on Feb. 7 in NYC, then the odds go up considerably that they might make an unannounced visit to the Fest For Beatles over the same weekend at The Grand Hyatt.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 9, 2014 17:25:00 GMT -5
If they play on Letterman in the old Ed Sullivan Theater, does Ringo sing? He did not get to sing any vocals in the three 1964 Sullivan appearances although he did sing "Act Naturally" for the 1965 appearance. Does Paul then do all the singing and do they stick to just the songs done that historic first Sullivan appearance? Modern viewers and youngsters will be dismayed at "'Til There Was Spew" as that is so twee, especially in 2014! I still like my idea of Paul and Ringo coming out to huge fanfare and breaking into "Really Love You," their co-written jam from Paul's Flaming Pie! That would piss off all but us diehards!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 9, 2014 19:39:35 GMT -5
I was talking about this with my girlfriend, and we really think it would be great -- amazing, actually -- if Paul sang at least "I Want To Hold Your Hand" and "She Loves You"... with Ringo on the drums. At the very LEAST, "Hand" is what propelled The Beatles to #1 in the States... it's a perfect opportunity to do that song. Forget that it mainly had John in the lead -- it doesn't matter, and Paul already has done songs himself like "Please Please Me" and "I'll Get You"... but strangely, he has never done "Hand" nor "She Loves You"...! (at least I don't think so?)... I honestly think it would be surreal and a real treat for the Beatlemaniacs. I mean, okay --Paul and Ringo could do "Birthday" yet again but it wouldn't be as incredible.
Sure, Ringo could sing - why not? He's been doing it with the All Starrs for decades! He pretty much would have to stick with "Boys" or "I Wanna Be Your Man", I would think -- but "Man" would be the better of the two for such an occasion. (And just for history's sake, Ringo did perform IWBYM in Washington 1964!) .
JSD - forget the mindest about "modern viewers and youngsters' reactions" -- for one thing, as I keep trying to make you realize, there are damn plenty of youngster newbie Beatles Fans who would be thrilled to see this, as well as older folks -- and those are the ones whom Paul and Ringo would be playing to ... the rest can go suck their One Direction thumbs. Paul and Ringo needn't be looking to win over the entire world, just those who are into this.
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Post by RockoRoll on Jan 9, 2014 19:56:27 GMT -5
Ringo, should do this number, and not the boring and repetitive "I Wanna Be Your ?" (would also be a nice tribute to John.... )
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 9, 2014 20:21:44 GMT -5
Or get this band to play for him and do this song:
You have to get 30 seconds into it.
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Post by mikev on Jan 9, 2014 23:35:08 GMT -5
If they play on Letterman in the old Ed Sullivan Theater, does Ringo sing? He did not get to sing any vocals in the three 1964 Sullivan appearances although he did sing "Act Naturally" for the 1965 appearance. Does Paul then do all the singing and do they stick to just the songs done that historic first Sullivan appearance? Modern viewers and youngsters will be dismayed at "'Til There Was Spew" as that is so twee, especially in 2014! I still like my idea of Paul and Ringo coming out to huge fanfare and breaking into "Really Love You," their co-written jam from Paul's Flaming Pie! That would piss off all but us diehards! I think Sgt. Pepper/WALHFMF, I Saw Her Standing There/I Wanna Be Your Man would be a nice set. The relevance of Pepper would be Paul saying 50 years instead of 20 years. Also, the modern Beatles never played on Sullivan (color era) though every other major band under the sun did! Film clips don't count! So performing the two Pepper classics would close the door!
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 10, 2014 0:25:35 GMT -5
I think Sgt. Pepper/WALHFMF, I Saw Her Standing There/I Wanna Be Your Man would be a nice set. The relevance of Pepper would be Paul saying 50 years instead of 20 years. Also, the modern Beatles never played on Sullivan (color era) though every other major band under the sun did! Film clips don't count! So performing the two Pepper classics would close the door! I could live with that as the two 1967 songs are fan favorites but I would close with those two and open with those two rockers you mentioned. Also, Ringo must, must, must be playing drums even when he sings his songs! There was no "Ringo-frontman-with-no-instrument-shit" during the Beatles and besides, he might do those horrid jumping jacks during WALHFMF if not behind his drum kit! I am resigned to those peace signs BUT NO, "You were great, and you were great, and you were great" by Paul so that means no "Hey Jude" as much as Macca loves to trot it out for big events.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 10, 2014 0:39:42 GMT -5
Ringo, should do this number, and not the boring and repetitive "I Wanna Be Your ?" (would also be a nice tribute to John.... ) That is good Rocko. I have only seen that once or twice through the years. Has that recording been commercially released on a CD? I think that video proves Ringo should have covered at least one George song at The Concert For George instead of "Honey Don't" and the obvious choice was "Old Brown Shoe" instead of Gary Brooker doing it. Ringo could have nailed that song. Okay, what musicians should accompany Paul and Ringo? I don't want Paul Shaffer anywhere near Paul and George making his stupid faces and gestures at the keyboard! Putting sons on is kind of corny but having Sean and Dhani does put Lennon and Harrison DNA on that stage!
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Post by mikev on Jan 10, 2014 7:49:38 GMT -5
I think Sgt. Pepper/WALHFMF, I Saw Her Standing There/I Wanna Be Your Man would be a nice set. The relevance of Pepper would be Paul saying 50 years instead of 20 years. Also, the modern Beatles never played on Sullivan (color era) though every other major band under the sun did! Film clips don't count! So performing the two Pepper classics would close the door! I could live with that as the two 1967 songs are fan favorites but I would close with those two and open with those two rockers you mentioned. Also, Ringo must, must, must be playing drums even when he sings his songs! There was no "Ringo-frontman-with-no-instrument-shit" during the Beatles and besides, he might do those horrid jumping jacks during WALHFMF if not behind his drum kit! I am resigned to those peace signs BUT NO, "You were great, and you were great, and you were great" by Paul so that means no "Hey Jude" as much as Macca loves to trot it out for big events. I had the groups reversed, but thought Paul could open with "it was 50 years ago today", so I put them back that way. I was soooooo disappointed that when Paul and Ringo did the Lynch show- they went straight into WALHFMF, when Paul as recently as Live 8 had performed Sgt. Pepper (pt. 1), which Ringo later claimed he wasn't invited to. I also agree on no Schafer, but I doubt it- he has music control of the Lettermen show. Paul M could play guitar, because bassist Will Lee is a Beatle note for note expert (the Fab Faux), but that will disappoint those of us looking to see the Beatles rhythm section.
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Post by mikev on Jan 10, 2014 8:08:08 GMT -5
I could live with that as the two 1967 songs are fan favorites but I would close with those two and open with those two rockers you mentioned. Also, Ringo must, must, must be playing drums even when he sings his songs! There was no "Ringo-frontman-with-no-instrument-shit" during the Beatles and besides, he might do those horrid jumping jacks during WALHFMF if not behind his drum kit! I am resigned to those peace signs BUT NO, "You were great, and you were great, and you were great" by Paul so that means no "Hey Jude" as much as Macca loves to trot it out for big events. I had the groups reversed, but thought Paul could open with "it was 50 years ago today", so I put them back that way. I was soooooo disappointed that when Paul and Ringo did the Lynch show- they went straight into WALHFMF, when Paul as recently as Live 8 had performed Sgt. Pepper (pt. 1), which Ringo later claimed he wasn't invited to. I also agree on no Schafer, but I doubt it- he has music control of the Lettermen show. Paul M could play guitar, because bassist Will Lee is a Beatle note for note expert (the Fab Faux), but that will disappoint those of us looking to see the Beatles rhythm section. If they do reunite on Letterman, I would very much expect to see one guitarist out there: Joe Walsh. I'm cool with that.
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 10, 2014 11:07:44 GMT -5
What about doing the song "Act Naturally"? Weren't Paul and Ringo the only singers on that track originally? Ringo sang lead and Paul the backing vocal.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 10, 2014 15:28:49 GMT -5
What about doing the song "Act Naturally"? Weren't Paul and Ringo the only singers on that track originally? Ringo sang lead and Paul the backing vocal. Good call but maybe better next year on the 50th Anniversary of Shea Stadium. Still, you are right lowbasso, both singers on that song are still with us. Hell folks, let's relive day by day the Beatles existence from February 7, 2014(50th of arrival to US) to April of 2020(50th of Paul announcing that the Beatles were no more). Every day from here on out will be a 50th anniversary of something for The Beatles!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 10, 2014 23:40:42 GMT -5
Regarding the idea of doing songs like PEPPER and WALTHMF -- please, God - no. This is supposed to be a 1964 retrospective, not the Summer Of Love In The Psychedelic '67 Year!
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Post by mikev on Jan 11, 2014 0:28:19 GMT -5
Regarding the idea of doing songs like PEPPER and WALTHMF -- please, God - no. This is supposed to be a 1964 retrospective, not the Summer Of Love In The Psychedelic '67 Year! Yeah I guess we'll have to go through the next 6 years of Beatle anniversaries for the appropriate performances by the Twotles.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 11, 2014 0:41:36 GMT -5
Yeah I guess we'll have to go through the next 6 years of Beatle anniversaries for the appropriate performances by the Twotles. I'm also saying that Paul has done PEPPER before, and he and Ringo have sang WALTFMF together onstage before already... no big deal, not fresh. But seriously -- nobody liked my proposal of what I think Paul and Ringo ought to consider performing? At least you replied though, Mike - I was beginning to think that my new Ringo avatar had thrown people for a loop.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 11, 2014 0:44:19 GMT -5
What about doing the song "Act Naturally"? Weren't Paul and Ringo the only singers on that track originally? Ringo sang lead and Paul the backing vocal. Meh. "Act Naturally" is a country song, not even a Beatles Original. And I'm so sick of Ringo doing these songs really, all of 'em (including my choice of I WANNA BE YOUR MAN). However, at least IWBYM was on MEET THE BEATLES in the states, and he performed this at the Washington show in 1964. I think it's the closest Ringo vocal to early '64 Beatlemania hereabouts in America.
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Post by mikev on Jan 11, 2014 7:05:54 GMT -5
Yeah I guess we'll have to go through the next 6 years of Beatle anniversaries for the appropriate performances by the Twotles. I'm also saying that Paul has done PEPPER before, and he and Ringo have sang WALTFMF together onstage before already... no big deal, not fresh. But seriously -- nobody liked my proposal of what I think Paul and Ringo ought to consider performing? At least you replied though, Mike - I was beginning to think that my new Ringo avatar had thrown people for a loop. simply, they have NEVER performed the two songs back to back live. The two oldies I mentioned are individual enough to pull off and have a heavy emphasis on bass and drums. She Loves You and I Want tio Hold Your Hand need all four Beatles IMO. MAYBE Love Me Do with Ringo taking some lines, as he did cover the tune himself.
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Post by joeyself on Jan 11, 2014 9:05:13 GMT -5
What about doing the song "Act Naturally"? Weren't Paul and Ringo the only singers on that track originally? Ringo sang lead and Paul the backing vocal. I think it should be "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?" That is a Paul/Ringo track (I know some question if it is a solo McCartney, but both Paul and Ringo have said it was the two of them). JcS
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Jan 11, 2014 18:02:05 GMT -5
Is getting Paul and Ringo together really a Beatles reunion. It just doesn't feel like a fraction of a reunion without John or George, less so without both of them. I hope they don't try to recreate the magic of that first Sullivan show, it will be a most pale imitation.
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 11, 2014 18:30:19 GMT -5
Is getting Paul and Ringo together really a Beatles reunion. It just doesn't feel like a fraction of a reunion without John or George, less so without both of them. I hope they don't try to recreate the magic of that first Sullivan show, it will be a most pale imitation. I agree there is no Beatles reunion possible, but to commemorate the most pivotal moment in Rock's history; the moment The Beatles captured America 50 years ago, it should be a moment that the surviving members reunite and celebrate with music. What's wrong with Paul & Ringo joined onstage with other musicians (even John & George's sons if possible) to celebrate this historic moment. It's the music, no matter who plays it, that we cherish. We can't have all the Fabs, but we can bring two of them back with friends to celebrate. That is the point of the anniversary. And to see the old film footage as well. It remains to be seen if Paul & Ringo feel the desire to celebrate this event by playing together with a little help from their friends.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 11, 2014 19:32:36 GMT -5
I agree there is no Beatles reunion possible, but to commemorate the most pivotal moment in Rock's history; the moment The Beatles captured America 50 years ago, it should be a moment that the surviving members reunite and celebrate with music. What's wrong with Paul & Ringo joined onstage with other musicians (even John & George's sons if possible) to celebrate this historic moment. It's the music, no matter who plays it, that we cherish. We can't have all the Fabs, but we can bring two of them back with friends to celebrate. That is the point of the anniversary. And to see the old film footage as well. It remains to be seen if Paul & Ringo feel the desire to celebrate this event by playing together with a little help from their friends. I agree, if it is handled in a fun way it always goes back to the music. I wouldn't want the show's host to introduce just Paul and Ringo as The Beatles in some big dramatic announcement but rather I'd like for Paul and Ringo to simply run out and play with some friends. They could be introduced individually but to say, "Ladies and Gentleman,.......The Beatles!!" would be wrong.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Jan 11, 2014 20:05:53 GMT -5
Is getting Paul and Ringo together really a Beatles reunion. It just doesn't feel like a fraction of a reunion without John or George, less so without both of them. I hope they don't try to recreate the magic of that first Sullivan show, it will be a most pale imitation. I agree there is no Beatles reunion possible, but to commemorate the most pivotal moment in Rock's history; the moment The Beatles captured America 50 years ago, it should be a moment that the surviving members reunite and celebrate with music. What's wrong with Paul & Ringo joined onstage with other musicians (even John & George's sons if possible) to celebrate this historic moment. It's the music, no matter who plays it, that we cherish. We can't have all the Fabs, but we can bring two of them back with friends to celebrate. That is the point of the anniversary. And to see the old film footage as well. It remains to be seen if Paul & Ringo feel the desire to celebrate this event by playing together with a little help from their friends. Nothing wrong with that and I do hope they'll both be in public together. I just hope they don't try to perform All My Loving or anything from the Sullivan show.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 11, 2014 20:37:27 GMT -5
What's wrong with Paul & Ringo joined onstage with other musicians (even John & George's sons if possible) to celebrate this historic moment. It's the music, no matter who plays it, that we cherish. We can't have all the Fabs, but we can bring two of them back with friends to celebrate. I agree. I know that I've often had the "oh, let's stop recreating The Beatles already" attitude, but as JSD has said -- this is not really what this is, nor should it be. I wouldn't mind seeing Sean, Julian, Dhani, etc, join Paul and Ringo .... to honor and celebrate this 50th Anniversary, it's all good to me.
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Post by theman on Jan 11, 2014 21:20:27 GMT -5
Watching the Pats-Colts game (Go Indy!) and just saw a Grammys promo on CBS. At the end of the montage of featured artists on the show were Paul McCartney AND Ringo Starr!!!! When was the last time Ringo was prominently featured as a guest on any major network music awards show ?
Should be interesting!
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 11, 2014 21:46:42 GMT -5
Watching the Pats-Colts game (Go Indy!) and just saw a Grammys promo on CBS. At the end of the montage of featured artists on the show were Paul McCartney AND Ringo Starr!!!! When was the last time Ringo was prominently featured as a guest on any major network music awards show ? Should be interesting! Steve announced this two years ago: www.examiner.com/article/beatle-ringo-starr-to-join-paul-mccartney-at-grammy-awards
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Post by ursamajor on Jan 12, 2014 5:56:56 GMT -5
The good part of the 50th anniversary is that will put the focus back on the 1964 era of the Beatles, it is arguably the greatest year the Beatles ever had. Also the music of Beatlemania is not as highly regarded as what came afterwards but I think it's their best period musically ,there's a tonne of energy by each Beatle during this time.
I wouldn't mind a re-release of I Want to Hold Your Hand as a remix like the Love remix to coincide with the anniversary.
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