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Post by sallyg on Apr 23, 2014 5:01:09 GMT -5
Set list Santiago last night www.setlist.fm/setlist/paul-mccartney/2014/movistar-arena-santiago-chile-53c3df09.htmlMagical Mystery Tour Save Us All My Loving Listen What the Man Said Let Me Roll It - Foxy Lady Paperback Writer My Valentine 1985 The Long and Winding Road Maybe I'm Amazed Things We Said Today We Can Work it Out Another Day And I Love Her Blackbird Here Today New Queenie Eye Lady Madonna All Together Now Lovely Rita Everybody Out There Eleanor Rigby Mr. Kite Something Obladi-Oblada Band On The Run Back in USSR Let it Be Live and Let Die Hey Jude Encore Day Tripper Hi Hi Hi I Saw Her Standing There Encore 2 Yesterday Helter Skelter Golden Slumbers / Carry That Weight / The End
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 23, 2014 6:05:02 GMT -5
Magical Mystery Tour Save Us All My Loving Listen What the Man Said Let Me Roll It - Foxy Lady Paperback Writer My Valentine 1985 The Long and Winding Road Maybe I'm Amazed Things We Said Today We Can Work it Out Another Day And I Love Her Blackbird Here Today New Queenie Eye Lady Madonna All Together Now Lovely Rita Everybody Out There Eleanor Rigby Mr. Kite Something Obladi-Oblada Band On The Run Back in USSR Let it Be Live and Let Die Hey Jude Encore Day Tripper Hi Hi Hi I Saw Her Standing There Encore 2 Yesterday Helter Skelter Golden Slumbers / Carry That Weight / The End YAWN... this set list just seems so familiar, so monotonous, so uninteresting. (Except for the songs off NEW) ... It's hard to believe there was a time lag in the 1980s where we could have killed to see Paul back in concert with a set list such as this. Now, too much glaring familiarity has bred contempt!! I am always open-mindedly defending these song choices in the sense that every time Paul tours there are always first-time concert attendees who will thrill to hearing all these songs. But subjectively, yes -- I've Had Enough (why doesn't Paul do THAT song for a change?). Now -- even after saying all that, if Paul does a date here in my neck of the woods, I'd probably still try and go if I can score a ticket for $100 - $150 . If I can go with my nephew or girlfriend, it will be worth it anyway!
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 23, 2014 11:21:38 GMT -5
I see Kite is still in the set. At least Paul hasn't "reclaimed" any more mostly John songs! There is no "Across The Universe" or "Julia." Having seen Paul just last July, I thought that he should do Kite and as that is fading out with the swirling organ he go right into Lovely Rita! Wouldn't that be a cool one-two Sgt. Pepper punch! I don't get why he spaces them apart by a couple songs?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 23, 2014 11:29:38 GMT -5
I see Kite is still in the set. At least Paul hasn't "reclaimed" any more mostly John songs! There is no "Across The Universe" or "Julia." I saw he's done "One After 909", and sung John's part.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 23, 2014 12:17:45 GMT -5
I see Kite is still in the set. At least Paul hasn't "reclaimed" any more mostly John songs! There is no "Across The Universe" or "Julia." I saw he's done "One After 909", and sung John's part. He has, good spot! I like Paul singing songs that John primarily sang. I don't like Paul using words like "reclaiming those songs" about so singing them because that sounds a lot like "rewriting history!"
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 23, 2014 13:10:06 GMT -5
I like Paul singing songs that John primarily sang. I don't like Paul using words like "reclaiming those songs" about so singing them because that sounds a lot like "rewriting history!" Right, but are you saying it's okay with you in principal if Paul is singing John's songs to get attention himself for them, as long as he doesn't come out and admit it?
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Post by sayne on Apr 23, 2014 22:42:02 GMT -5
I like Paul singing songs that John primarily sang. I don't like Paul using words like "reclaiming those songs" about so singing them because that sounds a lot like "rewriting history!" Right, but are you saying it's okay with you in principal if Paul is singing John's songs to get attention himself for them, as long as he doesn't come out and admit it? Yes, he should not be "reclaiming" anything. Having said that, why is it that EVERYONE in the world can cover ANY Beatles song, but Paul is "only" allowed to do the ones he wrote? I feel that since he was a Beatle, he should be able to sing ANY Beatle song, even Rain, She Said She Said, Tomorrow Never Knows, Happiness is a Warm Gun, You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, Love You Too, Within You Without You, The Inner Light, and so on.
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Post by scousette on Apr 23, 2014 23:44:05 GMT -5
*&%$#$@@%$^&&***%%$$@!!!!! Okay, Albany, I get. Louisville, Lubbock and Jacksonville, too. Four first-timers. But, for the other cities: Nashville (2010) Salt Lake City (2010) Dallas (2009) Atlanta (2009) New Orleans (2002) When the hell are you, Mr. McCartney, going to play in San Diego? You haven't played there since 1976!!!! Why do Nashville, Dallas, Atlanta, and New Orleans get return engagements? Don't give me that crap that it's because you consider San Diego to be part of the Anaheim/Los Angeles area. Southern California does NOT stop at Disneyland. You're pissing me off. Why did I think you lived in Glendale-Pasadena? I know you're a Padres fan, but for some reason I thought you were in LA County.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 24, 2014 5:41:46 GMT -5
Yes, he should not be "reclaiming" anything. Having said that, why is it that EVERYONE in the world can cover ANY Beatles song, but Paul is "only" allowed to do the ones he wrote? I feel that since he was a Beatle, he should be able to sing ANY Beatle song, even Rain, She Said She Said, Tomorrow Never Knows, Happiness is a Warm Gun, You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, Love You Too, Within You Without You, The Inner Light, and so on. Just to be clear (and I realize it's not always easy to convey things when writing online)... I agree with you that there's nothing wrong in general with Paul singing whatever the heck song he wants. He even sings 'Something" by George, right? I recall in 1990 when Paul sang tribute to John with the medley of "Help/Strawberry Fields.Give Peace A Chance", and it was just wonderful... The only thing that makes my eyebrows raise up is "IF" Paul is singing John's Beatles songs to try - in his mind - to perpetuate the myth that "it was mostly all about Me". I don't even know if this is the case... but he let it slip when he said he sang "Mr. Kite" to reclaim it; not just that it was a fun song to sing or anything. And as we know from the words to his new song "Early Days", he is concerned with what people think about "who did this and who did that".
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Post by mikev on Apr 24, 2014 8:18:25 GMT -5
Yes, he should not be "reclaiming" anything. Having said that, why is it that EVERYONE in the world can cover ANY Beatles song, but Paul is "only" allowed to do the ones he wrote? I feel that since he was a Beatle, he should be able to sing ANY Beatle song, even Rain, She Said She Said, Tomorrow Never Knows, Happiness is a Warm Gun, You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, Love You Too, Within You Without You, The Inner Light, and so on. Just to be clear (and I realize it's not always easy to convey things when writing online)... I agree with you that there's nothing wrong in general with Paul singing whatever the heck song he wants. He even sings 'Something" by George, right? I recall in 1990 when Paul sang tribute to John with the medley of "Help/Strawberry Fields.Give Peace A Chance", and it was just wonderful... The only thing that makes my eyebrows raise up is "IF" Paul is singing John's Beatles songs to try - in his mind - to perpetuate the myth that "it was mostly all about Me". I don't even know if this is the case... but he let it slip when he said he sang "Mr. Kite" to reclaim it; not just that it was a fun song to sing or anything. And as we know from the words to his new song "Early Days", he is concerned with what people think about "who did this and who did that". I think Paul should have just kept his yap shut on Mr. Kite. I wish Paul would do more of John's songs both Beatles and solo. Generally though as I've said in the past- I don't like him "marginalizing" John's songs with medleys. Day in the Life and Strawberry Fields neeed to be finished when performed IMO. Two of the more famous Beatle finishes, the fading chord and Cranberry Sauce. And Good Morning and Within You Without You remain the only two Sgt. Pepper songs never performed by at least one Beatle live.
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Post by sallyg on Apr 24, 2014 9:26:24 GMT -5
YAWN... this set list just seems so familiar, so monotonous, so uninteresting. (Except for the songs off NEW) ... It's hard to believe there was a time lag in the 1980s where we could have killed to see Paul back in concert with a set list such as this. Now, too much glaring familiarity has bred contempt!! I am always open-mindedly defending these song choices in the sense that every time Paul tours there are always first-time concert attendees who will thrill to hearing all these songs. But subjectively, yes -- I've Had Enough (why doesn't Paul do THAT song for a change?). Now -- even after saying all that, if Paul does a date here in my neck of the woods, I'd probably still try and go if I can score a ticket for $100 - $150 . If I can go with my nephew or girlfriend, it will be worth it anyway! [/quote] The only thing is with Paul performing basically the same songs as he did with last year's tour is that as I recall you didn't get to see him last year. Hope you get to see him this time around. I think it would be great if they had a fan poll on his site where fans could vote for the songs which they would like to see Paul perform on a tour and Paul would perform the top 30-35 most requested. Since Paul has a wide range of songs to choose from, there could be a better variety in his set list from tour to tour.
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Post by sallyg on Apr 24, 2014 9:28:25 GMT -5
Yes, he should not be "reclaiming" anything. Having said that, why is it that EVERYONE in the world can cover ANY Beatles song, but Paul is "only" allowed to do the ones he wrote? I feel that since he was a Beatle, he should be able to sing ANY Beatle song, even Rain, She Said She Said, Tomorrow Never Knows, Happiness is a Warm Gun, You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, Love You Too, Within You Without You, The Inner Light, and so on.[/quote]
Personally, I feel that Paul has the right to perform any Beatles song and the same goes for Ringo.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 24, 2014 10:50:14 GMT -5
I like Paul singing songs that John primarily sang. I don't like Paul using words like "reclaiming those songs" about so singing them because that sounds a lot like "rewriting history!" Right, but are you saying it's okay with you in principal if Paul is singing John's songs to get attention himself for them, as long as he doesn't come out and admit it? I am not sure what you are asking me but I will go farther than sayne and say I love when Paul sings songs that we associate with John because John primarily wrote/sang them. But as Mike suggested, Paul should be positive about it, not defensive or agenda-driven with spoken words like "re-claiming" a song. Paul knows and we know he helped on those songs, they are "Lennon/McCartney" after all! He has a right to sing them so no need to be defensive or aggressive and actually marginalizing John in the process! Have fun with it Paul, is my point! I think Paul singing "Imagine" at a big music event would be amazing and poignant! Better Paul than Madonna or some lesser artist! I'd be pissed though if Paul tried to "re-claim" that one!
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Post by cosmo on Apr 24, 2014 12:30:27 GMT -5
I personally don't care a whole lot what Paul sings when I see him in June ( I'll be happy to hear him sing anything, since I haven't seen him live in so many years) - but I do care that he sound fairly good when he sings it. I get that he's no spring chicken anymore, but I am in the camp that would rather see him stop touring when he gets to the point that more than 50% of his vocals are off-key. And that's not because I want my money's worth of entertainment, but because it's painful to hear him struggle, and painful to watch him subject himself to criticism.
That said, I am looking forward to the N.O. concert, and I know that I will be incredibly excited that night.
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Post by mikev on Apr 24, 2014 14:13:18 GMT -5
Right, but are you saying it's okay with you in principal if Paul is singing John's songs to get attention himself for them, as long as he doesn't come out and admit it? I am not sure what you are asking me but I will go farther than sayne and say I love when Paul sings songs that we associate with John because John primarily wrote/sang them. But as Mike suggested, Paul should be positive about it, not defensive or agenda-driven with spoken words like "re-claiming" a song. Paul knows and we know he helped on those songs, they are "Lennon/McCartney" after all! He has a right to sing them so no need to be defensive or aggressive and actually marginalizing John in the process! Have fun with it Paul, is my point! I think Paul singing "Imagine" at a big music event would be amazing and poignant! Better Paul than Madonna or some lesser artist! I'd be pissed though if Paul tried to "re-claim" that one! There was a hint of Imagine on fly on the wall, plus Paul did help on Gimme Some Truth (and we all got the proof!). I wish George Paul and Ringo took John's wonderful alternative version of Imagine with the organ and made it a Beatle tune for Anthology, rather than record over a crummy cassette that literally sounds like he was singing beyond the grave. John really had no unfinished songs at studio quality.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 24, 2014 14:55:00 GMT -5
I personally don't care a whole lot what Paul sings when I see him in June ( I'll be happy to hear him sing anything, since I haven't seen him live in so many years) - but I do care that he sound fairly good when he sings it. I get that he's no spring chicken anymore, but I am in the camp that would rather see him stop touring when he gets to the point that more than 50% of his vocals are off-key. And that's not because I want my money's worth of entertainment, but because it's painful to hear him struggle, and painful to watch him subject himself to criticism. That said, I am looking forward to the N.O. concert, and I know that I will be incredibly excited that night. That is awesome that you are seeing Paul in the great city of New Orleans! Maybe you should stop at the Napoleon House before the show for refreshments! It is great when Paul chooses to play in one's own city. Last year his Indianapolis concert had the highest resale value of tickets for his whole tour. Indy loves Paul and Paul loves Indy! Conversely, I've read he vetoes any city he doesn't want to go to and it is said that if Paul doesn't play in a city that means he hates it. I wonder what San Diego did to offend Paul?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 24, 2014 15:02:59 GMT -5
I wish George Paul and Ringo took John's wonderful alternative version of Imagine with the organ and made it a Beatle tune for Anthology, rather than record over a crummy cassette that literally sounds like he was singing beyond the grave. John really had no unfinished songs at studio quality. I wished they hadn't done anything other than just presented the Anthology footage together. I heard "Free As A Bird" on Rob Leonard's "Beatlesongs" show again the other day... man, every time I hear that plodding funeral dirge it makes me ashamed to be a Beatles fan just for a few agonizing minutes. George struggling through his limited and clumsy guitar solo ... Ringo lazily tapping a simple beat that any child could do ... and poor John's far-distanced and unfinished demo voice not matching with everything else going on. Just a real horror show. You know, every time I answer the question about "What's the worst Beatles song", I am always going back to the usual suspects: "Revolution 9", "Mr. Moonlight", "Wild Honey Pie,".... blah blah blah.... how about .. FREE AS A BIRD???
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Post by mikev on Apr 24, 2014 21:43:35 GMT -5
I wish George Paul and Ringo took John's wonderful alternative version of Imagine with the organ and made it a Beatle tune for Anthology, rather than record over a crummy cassette that literally sounds like he was singing beyond the grave. John really had no unfinished songs at studio quality. I wished they hadn't done anything other than just presented the Anthology footage together. I heard "Free As A Bird" on Rob Leonard's "Beatlesongs" show again the other day... man, every time I hear that plodding funeral dirge it makes me ashamed to be a Beatles fan just for a few agonizing minutes. George struggling through his limited and clumsy guitar solo ... Ringo lazily tapping a simple beat that any child could do ... and poor John's far-distanced and unfinished demo voice not matching with everything else going on. Just a real horror show. You know, every time I answer the question about "What's the worst Beatles song", I am always going back to the usual suspects: "Revolution 9", "Mr. Moonlight", "Wild Honey Pie,".... blah blah blah.... how about .. FREE AS A BIRD???
. We disagree on this. I'm glad they did something. It is a bit drab, but I just don't like how John's vocal came out. My point with the alternate Imagine is that it came out on Lennon's Anthology with hardly a whimper. But, a Beatle version would have been a brand new song, not messing with the original classic, and would have rendered both a guaranteed no. 1 single and put Imagine back on the forefront as the classic it is. There is no way of course they would have considered this.
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Post by sayne on Apr 24, 2014 22:13:56 GMT -5
*&%$#$@@%$^&&***%%$$@!!!!! Okay, Albany, I get. Louisville, Lubbock and Jacksonville, too. Four first-timers. But, for the other cities: Nashville (2010) Salt Lake City (2010) Dallas (2009) Atlanta (2009) New Orleans (2002) When the hell are you, Mr. McCartney, going to play in San Diego? You haven't played there since 1976!!!! Why do Nashville, Dallas, Atlanta, and New Orleans get return engagements? Don't give me that crap that it's because you consider San Diego to be part of the Anaheim/Los Angeles area. Southern California does NOT stop at Disneyland. You're pissing me off. Why did I think you lived in Glendale-Pasadena? I know you're a Padres fan, but for some reason I thought you were in LA County. I do live in LA County, but I'm from San Diego. It's great living in the LA area, 'cause Paul will always go play there, but my loyalties to the old home town run deep when it comes to being slighted on anything.
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Post by sayne on Apr 24, 2014 22:32:24 GMT -5
*&%$#$@@%$^&&***%%$$@!!!!! Okay, Albany, I get. Louisville, Lubbock and Jacksonville, too. Four first-timers. But, for the other cities: Nashville (2010) Salt Lake City (2010) Dallas (2009) Atlanta (2009) New Orleans (2002) When the hell are you, Mr. McCartney, going to play in San Diego? You haven't played there since 1976!!!! Why do Nashville, Dallas, Atlanta, and New Orleans get return engagements? Don't give me that crap that it's because you consider San Diego to be part of the Anaheim/Los Angeles area. Southern California does NOT stop at Disneyland. You're pissing me off. Now, he's back in San Francisco after being there a year ago or so. 'spect he'll be 45 miles south in San Jose soon after to play in their new stadium. So, he'll play 45 miles apart in NoCal and 26 miles between LA and Anaheim, but not 120 miles from LA to San Diego because San Diego is considered too close to LA. ARRRGGGGGHHHHH!
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Post by scousette on Apr 24, 2014 22:34:11 GMT -5
sayne: OK, got it. Will Venable, Padres RF, is the nephew of a schoolmate of mine, and Will grew up here in Marin County.
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Post by cosmo on Apr 24, 2014 22:41:27 GMT -5
I don't know about those other cities, but when he comes to New Orleans, he's coming to see me.
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Post by sayne on Apr 25, 2014 0:38:41 GMT -5
sayne: OK, got it. Will Venable, Padres RF, is the nephew of a schoolmate of mine, and Will grew up here in Marin County. And, I will continue until justice is done.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 25, 2014 5:50:05 GMT -5
We disagree on this. I'm glad they did something. It is a bit drab, but I just don't like how John's vocal came out. Well, I can take "Real Love". It's more upbeat. I wouldn't want that. I'm glad that "Imagine" is John's solo song alone, as it should be... I think that it is already considered a classic, and almost too much so in the wake of John's death. Sadly, it has become a worn-out song. Let It Be, Mike. "The Beatles split in '69 and since then they've been doin' fine... and if that question doesn't cease, ain't nobody gonna get no peace".
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Post by mikev on Apr 25, 2014 6:44:48 GMT -5
We disagree on this. I'm glad they did something. It is a bit drab, but I just don't like how John's vocal came out. Well, I can take "Real Love". It's more upbeat. I wouldn't want that. I'm glad that "Imagine" is John's solo song alone, as it should be... I think that it is already considered a classic, and almost too much so in the wake of John's death. Sadly, it has become a worn-out song. Let It Be, Mike. "The Beatles split in '69 and since then they've been doin' fine... and if that question doesn't cease, ain't nobody gonna get no peace". We all have our opinions Joe. 100 million people would buy the single. You wouldn't.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 25, 2014 7:06:34 GMT -5
100 million people would buy the single. You wouldn't. Well, you can't know for certain how many people would buy the single (if there are even such things as true "singles" anymore). But if there was one, you'd be incorrect in thinking that I wouldn't buy it; I am a Beatles Completest so of course I'd add it to my collection. It doesn't mean I have to like everything though, or think everything was a good idea. I just think some fans will be trying to reunite the Fab Four even after all four are deceased.
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Post by mikev on Apr 25, 2014 7:32:03 GMT -5
100 million people would buy the single. You wouldn't. Well, you can't know for certain how many people would buy the single (if there are even such things as true "singles" anymore). But if there was one, you'd be incorrect in thinking that I wouldn't buy it; I am a Beatles Completest so of course I'd add it to my collection. It doesn't mean I have to like everything though, or think everything was a good idea. I just think some fans will be trying to reunite the Fab Four even after all four are deceased. I said they would never do it, but I think that Anthology (JL) version of Imagine is amazing. I would just put Ringo's drums in place of White's, add Paul's bass, George on soft acoustics, and very light breezy harmonies-Abbet Road style behind the second verse and chorus. That might be Nicky Hopkins on the harmonium. Leave that in, no strings. The ship sailed in 2001. Some of course would say 1980, others 1970.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 25, 2014 7:43:29 GMT -5
I said they would never do it, but I think that Anthology (JL) version of Imagine is amazing. I would just put Ringo's drums in place of White's, add Paul's bass, George on soft acoustics, and very light breezy harmonies-Abbet Road style behind the second verse and chorus. That might be Nicky Hopkins on the harmonium. Leave that in, no strings. The ship sailed in 2001. Some of course would say 1980, others 1970. I know you said they'd never do it .. but you'd want them to do it. I'm just not sure 'why'?... I mean, to what end? To somehow re-create The Beatles again, really. I don't think John would have wanted his "Imagine" signature song to be turned into some kind of desperate Beatles Reunion. I've never liked that alternate JL Anthology version of "Imagine", because it is too sparse and sounded unfinished, unrealized. I understand that this is why you would find it interesting to have added the other Beatles' parts to it. But I just thing it's wrong, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 8:01:59 GMT -5
I wish George Paul and Ringo took John's wonderful alternative version of Imagine with the organ and made it a Beatle tune for Anthology, rather than record over a crummy cassette that literally sounds like he was singing beyond the grave. John really had no unfinished songs at studio quality. I wished they hadn't done anything other than just presented the Anthology footage together. I heard "Free As A Bird" on Rob Leonard's "Beatlesongs" show again the other day... man, every time I hear that plodding funeral dirge it makes me ashamed to be a Beatles fan just for a few agonizing minutes. George struggling through his limited and clumsy guitar solo ... Ringo lazily tapping a simple beat that any child could do ... and poor John's far-distanced and unfinished demo voice not matching with everything else going on. Just a real horror show. You know, every time I answer the question about "What's the worst Beatles song", I am always going back to the usual suspects: "Revolution 9", "Mr. Moonlight", "Wild Honey Pie,".... blah blah blah.... how about .. FREE AS A BIRD???
. I wouldn't consider Free as Bird when nominating the worst Beatle song, why is that you "might" ask ? Because it's not a Beatles song !!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 8:07:46 GMT -5
We disagree on this. I'm glad they did something. It is a bit drab, but I just don't like how John's vocal came out. Well, I can take "Real Love". It's more upbeat. I wouldn't want that. I'm glad that "Imagine" is John's solo song alone, as it should be... I think that it is already considered a classic, and almost too much so in the wake of John's death. Sadly, it has become a worn-out song. Let It Be, Mike. "The Beatles split in '69 and since then they've been doin' fine... and if that question doesn't cease, ain't nobody gonna get no peace". Let it Be, now that's another subject that could start a whole heap of circular motion.
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