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Post by mikev on Apr 25, 2014 8:16:31 GMT -5
I said they would never do it, but I think that Anthology (JL) version of Imagine is amazing. I would just put Ringo's drums in place of White's, add Paul's bass, George on soft acoustics, and very light breezy harmonies-Abbet Road style behind the second verse and chorus. That might be Nicky Hopkins on the harmonium. Leave that in, no strings. The ship sailed in 2001. Some of course would say 1980, others 1970. I know you said they'd never do it .. but you'd want them to do it. I'm just not sure 'why'?... I mean, to what end? To somehow re-create The Beatles again, really. I don't think John would have wanted his "Imagine" signature song to be turned into some kind of desperate Beatles Reunion. I've never liked that alternate JL Anthology version of "Imagine", because it is too sparse and sounded unfinished, unrealized. I understand that this is why you would find it interesting to have added the other Beatles' parts to it. But I just thing it's wrong, IMO. Maybe it is apples and oranges, but watching the Eagles play solo Eagles hits as "the Eagles" in 1994 was way more enjoable to me than the band rehashing their 70s hits. Why? Because it was a realization of what those songs could have sounded like as band efforts. To me there is always an element of difference between a musician with backing musicians vs. a musician playing with "their band". The problem with the two singles is that the cassette recording were weak. The rest of the effort was good. Basically they were "commercials" for Anthology. You can argue it wasn't the Beatles, and personally, without studio level recordings, I would have suggested they use John's material but record from scratch with no tinny sounds. I just wanted to see a band working together again. Harrison was the one who had the idea of recording to studio level recordings (albeit alternate recordings of official releases) of Elvis Presely for the Wilburies, and later Lennon. Wasn't my idea.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 25, 2014 8:27:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't consider Free as Bird when nominating the worst Beatle song, why is that you "might" ask ? Because it's not a Beatles song !!!!!!! Ah, a heap of circular motion in the making! Of course "Free As A Bird" is a Beatles song. The record went out as "The Beatles", and the three surviving members (with Yoko speaking on John's behalf) agreed that they were The Beatles for this song. Very easy to understand.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 25, 2014 9:10:57 GMT -5
Maybe it is apples and oranges, but watching the Eagles play solo Eagles hits as "the Eagles" in 1994 was way more enjoable to me than the band rehashing their 70s hits. Why? Because it was a realization of what those songs could have sounded like as band efforts. To me there is always an element of difference between a musician with backing musicians vs. a musician playing with "their band". The problem with the two singles is that the cassette recording were weak. The rest of the effort was good. Regarding "Free As A Bird" - it's completely a matter of personal opinion as to whether the rest of the effort aside from the weak cassette was 'good'. I don't think the guitar or drumming were particularly 'good' on FAAB. So if The Beatles were still together in 2014 and they played "live solo songs" by the other members as part of their group concert, I wouldn't mind that. It's like when Art Garfunkel sang "Me and Julio Down By The Schoolyard" and "Slip Slidin Away" with Paul Simon at The Central Park Concert -- but the original recordings are a different matter to me; those two songs are Paul Simon solo efforts. I would agree that the new songs FAAB and RL were like a commercial for "Anthology", but that is a moot point (semantics) ... they are still new Beatles Songs, regardless of the reason for their recording. I don't think there is any argument possible that these songs were not The Beatles. The only people who get to decide such a thing would be the members themselves, and they wanted these songs to go out as two new titles by "The Beatles" .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 9:17:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't consider Free as Bird when nominating the worst Beatle song, why is that you "might" ask ? Because it's not a Beatles song !!!!!!! Ah, a heap of circular motion in the making! Of course "Free As A Bird" is a Beatles song. The record went out as "The Beatles", and the three surviving members (with Yoko speaking on John's behalf) agreed that they were The Beatles for this song. Very easy to understand. Good answer that, people "agreeing" that it's the Beatles, the agreement gives a bit more bang to the song concocted to promote the Anthology project.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 25, 2014 9:20:32 GMT -5
Good answer that, people "agreeing" that it's the Beatles, . Not just "people"... rather, the individuals Paul McCartney, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, and Yoko Lennon ... the ones qualified to make such a determination.
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Post by mikev on Apr 25, 2014 9:21:43 GMT -5
Maybe it is apples and oranges, but watching the Eagles play solo Eagles hits as "the Eagles" in 1994 was way more enjoable to me than the band rehashing their 70s hits. Why? Because it was a realization of what those songs could have sounded like as band efforts. To me there is always an element of difference between a musician with backing musicians vs. a musician playing with "their band". The problem with the two singles is that the cassette recording were weak. The rest of the effort was good. Regarding "Free As A Bird" - it's completely a matter of personal opinion as to whether the rest of the effort aside from the weak cassette was 'good'. I don't think the guitar or drumming were particularly 'good' on FAAB. So if The Beatles were still together in 2014 and they played "live solo songs" by the other members as part of their group concert, I wouldn't mind that. It's like when Art Garfunkel sang "Me and Julio Down By The Schoolyard" and "Slip Slidin Away" with Paul Simon at The Central Park Concert -- but the original recordings are a different matter to me; those two songs are Paul Simon solo efforts. quote] agreed, except since John was no longer around and George refused to do anything without John-the only way you could accomplish a group effort- if you wanted to would be to use John's vocal tracks. But I wouldn't mess with a "released" track. Maybe a released song, but different versions and studio quality. I treat the two "reunion" songs as Beatle songs, but I understand why neither went to no. 1. They had limitations. I also love George Martin's score on Grow Old With me, but the cassette recording is even worse than the other two.
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Post by mikev on Apr 25, 2014 9:29:33 GMT -5
On a side note more related to recent live performances, I'm also surprised no one made any comments during the tribute show that Paul and Ringo were performing on tv under a gigantic banner labeled The Beatles.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 9:30:55 GMT -5
Good answer that, people "agreeing" that it's the Beatles, . Not just "people"... rather, the individuals Paul McCartney, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, and Yoko Lennon ... the ones qualified to make such a determination. I like the agreement description, it tells me they weren't convinced it was the Beatles but they agreed to call it that anyway. Good thing to that after 2 goes at the agreement one of the aforementioned realised it was a snow job and called a halt to the charade, err, the agreement.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 25, 2014 9:40:13 GMT -5
Not just "people"... rather, the individuals Paul McCartney, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, and Yoko Lennon ... the ones qualified to make such a determination. I like the agreement description, it tells me they weren't convinced it was the Beatles but they agreed to call it that anyway. Good thing to that after 2 goes at the agreement one of the aforementioned realised it was a snow job and called a halt to the charade, err, the agreement. Doesn't matter whether they only recorded 1 new song as The Beatles, or 2 songs, or a whole album., or even five albums... before going back to resuming their solo efforts. That's another moot point. As for you getting hung up on my choice of the word "agreed", that is a ridiculous argument on your part. I initially used the word "agreed"... but I could just as well say they all "declared", or "decided". Either way, they overrule you. Sorry, bud -- but "I Me Mine" was not the last Beatles song worked on.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 25, 2014 9:42:31 GMT -5
On a side note more related to recent live performances, I'm also surprised no one made any comments during the tribute show that Paul and Ringo were performing on tv under a gigantic banner labeled The Beatles. They performed as Paul and Ringo, under a banner hanging dedicated to the memory of The Beatles. Not the same thing at all. If you had asked either one of them if they considered themselves as "The Beatles" during those performances, they would have said "No".
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Post by mikev on Apr 25, 2014 14:29:27 GMT -5
On a side note more related to recent live performances, I'm also surprised no one made any comments during the tribute show that Paul and Ringo were performing on tv under a gigantic banner labeled The Beatles. They performed as Paul and Ringo, under a banner hanging dedicated to the memory of The Beatles. Not the same thing at all. If you had asked either one of them if they considered themselves as "The Beatles" during those performances, they would have said "No". WHAT? "Are you a Beatle?" "Um no." They are the Beatles, ask Lee Marvin.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 15:59:09 GMT -5
I like the agreement description, it tells me they weren't convinced it was the Beatles but they agreed to call it that anyway. Good thing to that after 2 goes at the agreement one of the aforementioned realised it was a snow job and called a halt to the charade, err, the agreement. Doesn't matter whether they only recorded 1 new song as The Beatles, or 2 songs, or a whole album., or even five albums... before going back to resuming their solo efforts. That's another moot point. As for you getting hung up on my choice of the word "agreed", that is a ridiculous argument on your part. I initially used the word "agreed"... but I could just as well say they all "declared", or "decided". Either way, they overrule you. Sorry, bud -- but "I Me Mine" was not the last Beatles song worked on. I'm glad that one of the members of the agreement, decision, declaration decided the delusion had to end. You can call it the Beatles, i thought it was ELO.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 25, 2014 17:20:20 GMT -5
You can call it the Beatles, i thought it was ELO. They could have called themselves The Rolling Stones for all I cared (or ELO for that matter). Doesn't matter to me personally, as I thought FAAB stank. I'm not giving you my opinion, I am just reporting the fact that they called themselves The Beatles for those records. (But this is plain to see). I guess Jeff Lynne's involvement was sort of like Phil Spector on LET IT BE, or Billy Preston on "Get Back".
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 25, 2014 20:37:33 GMT -5
I thought that in February Paul and Ringo really dropped the ball by not performing with Sean and Dhani thus recreating that Beatles magic with real, living Lennon and Harrison DNA along side the real Paul and Ringo. Magical, poignant moments were lost or squandered. The Beatles 50th Anniversary in the U.S.A. was a huge YAWN.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 20:53:27 GMT -5
You can call it the Beatles, i thought it was ELO. They could have called themselves The Rolling Stones for all I cared (or ELO for that matter). Doesn't matter to me personally, as I thought FAAB stank. I'm not giving you my opinion, I am just reporting the fact that they called themselves The Beatles for those records. (But this is plain to see). I guess Jeff Lynne's involvement was sort of like Phil Spector on LET IT BE, or Billy Preston on "Get Back". I'm with you on that point, FAAB was a stinker. The rest, well, it's going round in Circles, George knew about that... Friends come and friends go As I go round and round In circles Love warms and love colds As I go round and round In circles He who knows does not speak He who speaks does not know And I go round in circles Life comes and life goes As I go round and round In circles He who knows does not speak He who speaks does not know And I go round in circles Life comes and life goes As I go round and round In circles Life comes and love goes As we go round and round In circles
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Post by sallyg on Apr 26, 2014 6:59:47 GMT -5
Why did I think you lived in Glendale-Pasadena? I know you're a Padres fan, but for some reason I thought you were in LA County. I do live in LA County, but I'm from San Diego. It's great living in the LA area, 'cause Paul will always go play there, but my loyalties to the old home town run deep when it comes to being slighted on anything. Yesterday Paul confirmed that he is scheduled for Dodger's Stadium on Aug 10. It must be frustrating for San Diego residents to always be in Los Angeles' shadow. I grew up in a different town that was always thought to be a suburb of another city so I understand how you feel. www.paulmccartney.com/news-blogs/news/27813-paul-gets-out-there-in-california
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Post by sayne on Apr 26, 2014 10:26:47 GMT -5
I do live in LA County, but I'm from San Diego. It's great living in the LA area, 'cause Paul will always go play there, but my loyalties to the old home town run deep when it comes to being slighted on anything. Yesterday Paul confirmed that he is scheduled for Dodger's Stadium on Aug 10. It must be frustrating for San Diego residents to always be in Los Angeles' shadow. I grew up in a different town that was always thought to be a suburb of another city so I understand how you feel. www.paulmccartney.com/news-blogs/news/27813-paul-gets-out-there-in-californiaTen minutes from my house. Woo hoo!
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 26, 2014 11:31:21 GMT -5
Ten minutes from my house. Woo hoo! Not the point, sayne! Stay true and unwavering in your support of San Diego! Last year the Rock radio stations in Indianapolis and other media really pushed the public to make Paul's concert a sell-out as he had not been here since 2002. Same push for the Stones who hadn't been here in years and Bruce Springsteen, not since 2008. Nor had Beyonce and other younger stars. We didn't want Indy a market for f-ing REO Speedwagon, Styx, Journey and those types of bands, many without key members! We responded and Paul's Indy concert sold-out quickly and as I have boasted, his resale values in Indy would have put him at the top of all touring artists in 2013!
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Post by theman on Apr 26, 2014 13:02:54 GMT -5
Ten minutes from my house. Woo hoo! We didn't want Indy a market for f-ing REO Speedwagon, Styx, Journey and those types of bands, many without key members! I'm planning to see Chicago this summer at Red Rocks and pretty excited about it as I haven't seen them in years (and they still have original band member, Robert Lamm). But, who is paired with them on the bill? None other than f-ing REO Speedwagon .
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 26, 2014 14:53:10 GMT -5
We didn't want Indy a market for f-ing REO Speedwagon, Styx, Journey and those types of bands, many without key members! I'm planning to see Chicago this summer at Red Rocks and pretty excited about it as I haven't seen them in years (and they still have original band member, Robert Lamm). But, who is paired with them on the bill? None other than f-ing REO Speedwagon . LOL! Actually, I saw REO in the mid-1990's and they put on a good show(they opened for Cheap Trick who I was there to see). But they are second-tier now and that's what Indy wanted to avoid. And don't get me wrong, the media didn't have to create hype for Macca, they just heavily promoted his upcoming concert, but we Hoosiers were pumped up already. It sold out in mere minutes.
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Post by mikev on Apr 26, 2014 19:30:46 GMT -5
I'm planning to see Chicago this summer at Red Rocks and pretty excited about it as I haven't seen them in years (and they still have original band member, Robert Lamm). But, who is paired with them on the bill? None other than f-ing REO Speedwagon . LOL! Actually, I saw REO in the mid-1990's and they put on a good show(they opened for Cheap Trick who I was there to see). But they are second-tier now and that's what Indy wanted to avoid. And don't get me wrong, the media didn't have to create hype for Macca, they just heavily promoted his upcoming concert, but we Hoosiers were pumped up already. It sold out in mere minutes. I always hated REO Chuckwagon, but strangely enough loved Styx. Different bands, but people always seemed to compare them.
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Post by sayne on Apr 28, 2014 21:46:17 GMT -5
2 more: Missoula, Montana - first timers, good on you! Phoenix, Arizona - 5th time in 2000s, booooooooo!
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 29, 2014 14:46:59 GMT -5
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Post by sayne on May 3, 2014 20:39:20 GMT -5
Got my Dodger Stadium tix. I was concerned because work got in the way of me getting tickets as a "Paul McCartney.com" member, so I went to the next step a couple of days later through AmEx. I was concerned there, too, because I was having problems with the website. Didn't get my tickets until 30 minutes into the sale. I thought the AmEX allotment would have been gone by then. It will be interesting to see how quickly the general public sales will be.
Since the concert is the day after my wedding anniversary, my wife said it was okay for me to go for the expensive seats ($250). Those were gone (they may be available for the general public sale), but I'm okay with my mid-price seats ($99). They really are not going to be bad. If you look at the Dodger Stadium set up, I'll be in the Field Level seats (not on the field) in left field. I also got tickets for the Loge Level above 3rd base (good seats. I might actually use those, instead). And, I got cheap seats up in the Bob Eucker territory. I have no intention of scalping any of the tickets I don't use. I'll sell them at cost to anyone I know who wants to go, but didn't have an opp to buy them.
Now, if he ends up playing in San Diego, I'd sell them all and go for the hometown show. It would be more of event for the McCartney-shunned city.
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Post by sallyg on May 16, 2014 3:57:04 GMT -5
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Post by sallyg on May 16, 2014 17:09:05 GMT -5
Paul's new video for Appreciate
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Post by sallyg on May 17, 2014 2:42:04 GMT -5
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Post by sallyg on May 18, 2014 4:53:49 GMT -5
Tokyo National Stadium shows to be postponed 18th & 19th May Doctors have ordered Paul complete rest and he has been doing all he can to get better. Paul has only ever had to reschedule a handful of shows in his entire career and is so upset about this situation, he hates to let people down. This morning he told his staff he was going to try and perform tonight against doctors orders, but his team, along with the doctors, wouldn't allow it. He has been very moved by the fan's reactions and messages of love and support he has received in Japan. Paul has instructed his team to look at rescheduling options. Message from Paul: "Thank you so much for your kind messages of support. I’m so very touched. Unfortunately my condition has not improved overnight. I was really hoping that I'd be feeling better today. I'm so disappointed and sorry to be letting my fans down. Love, Paul" www.paulmccartney.com/news-blogs/news/tokyo-national-stadium-shows-to-be-postponed-18th-19th-may
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Post by sallyg on May 18, 2014 4:58:24 GMT -5
Sending prayers out that you feel better soon! It's no fun being sick
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Post by OldFred on May 18, 2014 8:47:04 GMT -5
Prayers being sent to Paul, hope he recovers soon.
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