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Post by debjorgo on Jan 2, 2015 21:53:31 GMT -5
I would assume Paul gets both song writer credit and credit as a performer, since he is the "band" on this. It's like Get Back with Billy Preston. Billy got full credit for playing the keyboard riff.
But it's also like Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite!. It's a John song.
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 3, 2015 1:34:39 GMT -5
I keep playing it. It's great!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 3, 2015 6:48:15 GMT -5
Nowadays, the charts are littered with songs that have other artists prominately listed as "featured" or ""with". When these songs chart or win an award such as a Grammy, all artists are recognized. Sure, the "lead" artist may get more love, but when you are listed in the "main credits", it counts. It's interesting that you've used the word "littered" here. But what I'm saying is, okay -- let us suppose that this song becomes huge and it receives Grammys, and becomes a #1 hit. Sure, Paul gets recognition as a collaborator here -- but is THIS really the way we want to see Paul get back to #1? Through guest-playing on a Kanye West hit? I think that's kind of a backhanded compliment, and a rather desperate way to achieve #1 notoriety. As a fan, I would much prefer that Paul had an up front lead vocal with Kanye playing some kind of instrument and maybe doing some background vocals. So yes, I know "it still counts". But when in Paul's 6-decade career did he have to stretch it so far for it "to still count"? You know what I mean? All that said, we still have other songs forthcoming in the "Paul/Kanye collaboration", and I am sure that Macca will be the frontman on at least one or more of those. But there is no denying that in the end it will all be seen as Paul only getting a hit because he needed to rely on Kanye West, and could not do it on his own. From there, Paul's lasting legacy may show that he had to rely on Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, and Kanye West in order to get his last group of hit songs.
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Post by sallyg on Jan 3, 2015 7:17:34 GMT -5
I keep playing it. It's great! Me too! I like the lyrics and find it a touching tribute from a son to his late mother and also his baby daughter. I like Paul's keyboarding.
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Post by theman on Jan 3, 2015 10:22:33 GMT -5
Nowadays, the charts are littered with songs that have other artists prominately listed as "featured" or ""with". When these songs chart or win an award such as a Grammy, all artists are recognized. Sure, the "lead" artist may get more love, but when you are listed in the "main credits", it counts. It's interesting that you've used the word "littered" here. But what I'm saying is, okay -- let us suppose that this song becomes huge and it receives Grammys, and becomes a #1 hit. Sure, Paul gets recognition as a collaborator here -- but is THIS really the way we want to see Paul get back to #1? Through guest-playing on a Kanye West hit? I think that's kind of a backhanded compliment, and a rather desperate way to achieve #1 notoriety. As a fan, I would much prefer that Paul had an up front lead vocal with Kanye playing some kind of instrument and maybe doing some background vocals. So yes, I know "it still counts". But when in Paul's 6-decade career did he have to stretch it so far for it "to still count"? You know what I mean? All that said, we still have other songs forthcoming in the "Paul/Kanye collaboration", and I am sure that Macca will be the frontman on at least one or more of those. But there is no denying that in the end it will all be seen as Paul only getting a hit because he needed to rely on Kanye West, and could not do it on his own. From there, Paul's lasting legacy may show that he had to rely on Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, and Kanye West in order to get his last group of hit songs. I don't know that I'd call it "desperate", but I agree with some of what you have said here. Howver, I don't think we really have to worry too much about Paul's legacy. Baring a Cosby-like incident, I'm betting that it will be just fine. That said, the two of them agreed to collaborate together and if it results in some interesting/enjoyable music, well that's great, I guess. My reaction to "Only One" is its not bad. Clearly a Kanye song. I'm assuming Paul's songwriting credit is for the music, not the lyrics (which seem too personal to Kanye for Paul to have had much input). As far as the musical "doodlings" go, I'm not very impressed, but maybe it'll grow on me. But, since I have no intention on purchasing this single, it's quite unlikely.
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Post by sayne on Jan 3, 2015 10:54:59 GMT -5
Don't know all the fact about the collaboration on this song, but if we assume that Kanye is totally responsible for the lyric and Paul is MOST famous for writing melodies and Paul was the one "doodling" on the piano which resulted in the melody, why then are people minimizing Paul's role in the song? Yes, it's a Kanye West single, but Paul wasn't just "chewing on carrots." (100 points to you who know the reference). It looks like Paul's involvement is similar to how he's always worked with people. Whether it was John or George or Elvis Costello or Steve Miller or whomever, Paul has always worked with people to varying degrees - often with little credit or notoriety. I don't think Paul saw this as an opp to get back on the charts. He likes working with people and this came along and he thought it would be interesting. Paul's sense of intrigue and experimentation when it comes to music always seems to take a back seat to his "safe" music, but Paul certainly could be as edgy as John. My gosh, Jimi Hendrix and Miles Davis wanted to do something with him and Allan Ginsberg did. That's good cred to me. Here's an interesting website I just found today. Some of you may have seen it, but it's new to me: fly.hiwaay.net/~gjohnson/collaboration.htm
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 3, 2015 12:09:33 GMT -5
Don't know all the fact about the collaboration on this song, but if we assume that Kanye is totally responsible for the lyric and Paul is MOST famous for writing melodies and Paul was the one "doodling" on the piano which resulted in the melody, why then are people minimizing Paul's role in the song? Yes, it's a Kanye West single, but Paul wasn't just "chewing on carrots." (100 points to you who know the reference). It looks like Paul's involvement is similar to how he's always worked with people. Whether it was John or George or Elvis Costello or Steve Miller or whomever, Paul has always worked with people to varying degrees - often with little credit or notoriety. I don't think Paul saw this as an opp to get back on the charts. He likes working with people and this came along and he thought it would be interesting. Paul's sense of intrigue and experimentation when it comes to music always seems to take a back seat to his "safe" music, but Paul certainly could be as edgy as John. My gosh, Jimi Hendrix and Miles Davis wanted to do something with him and Allan Ginsberg did. That's good cred to me. Here's an interesting website I just found today. Some of you may have seen it, but it's new to me: fly.hiwaay.net/~gjohnson/collaboration.htm"Vegetables" from The Beach Boys' Smile, Paul's contribution to that song!
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Post by winstonoboogie on Jan 3, 2015 12:51:47 GMT -5
Ah, JSD beat me to it! But thanks for the link, sayne!
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Post by joshferrell on Jan 3, 2015 20:42:16 GMT -5
This is the only Kanye song worth listening to
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Post by joshferrell on Jan 3, 2015 21:11:12 GMT -5
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 3, 2015 22:56:47 GMT -5
Words out, being on this record is going to make McCartney famous. Paul Will Be FamousWhen he walks into a room now, it's going to be like Al Roker walked in. Or better yet, like Al Bundy. Hell, it'll be like a Beatle walked in. WTf? there are people on Twitter who don't know who Paul is and they are calling him an unknown? celebrity.yahoo.com/news/rock-legend-paul-mccartney-answers-twitter-snark-related-233813938.html That's what I was referring to in the above, Josh. I think it's sort of a variation of "Oh, was Paul in a band before Wings?". There may be some people who do not know how famous Paul McCartney is, but they know who he is.
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Post by Panther on Jan 3, 2015 23:21:53 GMT -5
I shudder to think of what PR-move Paul will have in mind now that he knows today's tweens don't know him...
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 4, 2015 0:15:11 GMT -5
I shudder to think of what PR-move Paul will have in mind now that he knows today's tweens don't know him... This is it! Well, Kanye and the video game thing. I think before this, it was Heather Mills and his high profile divorce. (Expensive but effective.)
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 4, 2015 2:21:17 GMT -5
It would be wild if Kanye bought the Beatles' song catalog from Sony. Then Paul would have another "ex-friend."
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 4, 2015 2:27:00 GMT -5
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Post by joshferrell on Jan 4, 2015 18:45:55 GMT -5
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Post by sayne on Jan 4, 2015 22:42:50 GMT -5
Although I think most of those "who's Paul?" tweets are pranks and jokes, I'm sure there are kids who wouldn't know, but I'm not too concerned about that. When you were a kid or tween, did you know who Glenn Miller or Bennie Goodman were? How about Andre Segovia? Judy Holiday? Mahaylia Jackson? Maria Callas? Robert Johnson? When I was a kid, I remember seeing Jerry Lee Lewis on some show and I'd never heard of him. I thought he was being stupid by taking Jerry Lewis' name. I thought he was just trying to be funny when he was doing his "wild man" schtick.
Sure one could argue that Paul is different, but what if one is from a recently immigrated ethnic group. As a first generation person with no Beatles being played in the home, I could see how one might not know Paul. Even if one has been here and their family has been here for a long time, we're talking about a band 50 years ago. That's what, 3-4 generations ago? What are the chances of that kid having that music played in the house?
As the song says, "teach your children well." It's our duty to inform the young, not blame them for not knowing something.
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Post by kc on Jan 4, 2015 23:16:37 GMT -5
Although I think most of those "who's Paul?" tweets are pranks and jokes, I'm sure there are kids who wouldn't know, but I'm not too concerned about that. When you were a kid or tween, did you know who Glenn Miller or Bennie Goodman were? How about Andre Segovia? Judy Holiday? Mahaylia Jackson? Maria Callas? Robert Johnson? As the song says, "teach your children well." It's our duty to inform the young, not blame them for not knowing something. Exactly. Let's not be too critical.
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Post by nicole21290 on Jan 5, 2015 0:11:16 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 5, 2015 9:10:37 GMT -5
Although I think most of those "who's Paul?" tweets are pranks and jokes, I'm sure there are kids who wouldn't know, but I'm not too concerned about that. When you were a kid or tween, did you know who Glenn Miller or Bennie Goodman were? How about Andre Segovia? Judy Holiday? Mahaylia Jackson? Maria Callas? Robert Johnson? When I was a kid, I remember seeing Jerry Lee Lewis on some show and I'd never heard of him. I thought he was being stupid by taking Jerry Lewis' name. I thought he was just trying to be funny when he was doing his "wild man" schtick. Sure one could argue that Paul is different, but what if one is from a recently immigrated ethnic group. As a first generation person with no Beatles being played in the home, I could see how one might not know Paul. Even if one has been here and their family has been here for a long time, we're talking about a band 50 years ago. That's what, 3-4 generations ago? What are the chances of that kid having that music played in the house? As the song says, "teach your children well." It's our duty to inform the young, not blame them for not knowing something. But Paul is still alive, he is still making NEW music, and he still is very visible in the public eye, playing concerts and usually headlining all the awards shows, benefit extravaganzas, and "olympics"-type big events. If today's youngsters still haven't heard of Paul McCartney from that, well The Beatles are still very prominent today as well. So it's not quite the same thing as we kids not having heard of Bach or Glenn Miller...
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Post by sayne on Jan 5, 2015 10:44:43 GMT -5
But Paul is still alive, he is still making NEW music, and he still is very visible in the public eye, playing concerts and usually headlining all the awards shows, benefit extravaganzas, and "olympics"-type big events. If today's youngsters still haven't heard of Paul McCartney from that, well The Beatles are still very prominent today as well. So it's not quite the same thing as we kids not having heard of Bach or Glenn Miller... I did say it might not be the same with Paul, but think about yourself. There are many artists today whose names you do not know; artists that you do know that you can't name any songs or albums; songs that you've heard, but don't know the titles of. How many of us could correctly identify photos of Iggy Azalia, Kesha, and Ariana Grande? One could argue that that is outrageous, too. These people are touring and in the news all the time, but you may not heard of them. What might be an excuse for that? Many of us can't be bothered with the Grammies or the MTV music awards, or we don't watch Saturday Night Live, Jimmy Kimmel, or Jimmy Fallon. Should we be put down for not knowing Demi Lovato? Yes, I know one will argue that Paul is much bigger than they are. Yes, historically, but not today. Paul is not on every kid's radar. That's not their fault. You cite Paul recording and touring and being out there, but what if Paul is not played on my radio station, he hasn't toured my town, and he has not been on tv when I watched? A kid can't be blamed for that. Mariah Carey is close to passing the Beatles in Number 1 songs. Can you name any of them? How many can you sing? The point is that maybe we older people should be able to understand a kid not knowing Paul (the Beatles is another story) if we don't know about any particular artist today? Tiesto, anyone?
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Post by OldFred on Jan 5, 2015 12:37:16 GMT -5
This is one way to introduce Kayne's audience to McCartney.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 5, 2015 14:58:40 GMT -5
I did say it might not be the same with Paul, but think about yourself. There are many artists today whose names you do not know; artists that you do know that you can't name any songs or albums; songs that you've heard, but don't know the titles of. How many of us could correctly identify photos of Iggy Azalia, Kesha, and Ariana Grande? One could argue that that is outrageous, too. These people are touring and in the news all the time, but you may not heard of them. What might be an excuse for that? In my case, my unabashed excuse is that I don't have to know about any of those people (and you're right, I haven't heard of any of them - or maybe one...). But all young people should damn well know who Paul and The Beatles are/were. ( I do understand the point you're trying to make). You were the one who mentioned Glenn Miller, Bennie Goodman, etc, to illustrate your point . So I explained that it's different, because Paul McCartney is still alive and active, and making new music. Even if Mariah Carey were to surpass The Beatles #1 songs record, it wouldn't matter... because it took the Beatles only 7 years to accomplish theirs, and one may thus presume that The Beatles would have had still way more than Mariah, had they continued. (I realize this is departing from your point, but I always love to downplay another artist and boost up The Beatles. And no, I am unable to name a single song by Mariah. I'm proud of that, too. ) .
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Post by vectisfabber on Jan 5, 2015 20:35:42 GMT -5
Mariah Carey - that woman is such a liar. It turned out that all she wanted for Christmas was a Downton Abbey boxset.
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 6, 2015 0:18:55 GMT -5
I just looked at the Billboard chart for week ending January 10. Kanye/Paul did not chart! The song was released Dec 31. Shouldn't it have charted by now?
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 6, 2015 0:36:07 GMT -5
Mariah, off the top of my head, a song Sweet, Sweet Memories, Baby or something like that. I know she had a song called Butterfly. That's two songs. Pretty good, huh?
Looking at her Wikipage, I'll Be There, the J5 remake, Dreamlover (that may be the Sweet Sweet song I mentioned above), Without You (I did not know she covered the Badfinger song), Fantasy (Sweet, Sweet, Fantasy, Baby?), Always Be My Baby, the song Butterfly did not chart so I have to deduct it, We Belong Together (I think I kind of liked that one)
Now that's... impressive.... Yeah, that's Beatle territory.
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Post by kc on Jan 6, 2015 1:04:47 GMT -5
I just looked at the Billboard chart for week ending January 10. Kanye/Paul did not chart! The song was released Dec 31. Shouldn't it have charted by now? It is number 35 in the U.K. singles chart for its week of entry. Number 24 in their (Official Charts Company) downloaded singles chart. I don't understand Billboard though. Maybe it is about the day of the week that they start/or finish tabulating their data?
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Post by vectisfabber on Jan 6, 2015 4:36:26 GMT -5
Mariah Carey - that woman is such a liar. It turned out that all she wanted for Christmas was a Downton Abbey boxset. I'm wasting my breath here.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jan 7, 2015 18:14:09 GMT -5
I just looked at the Billboard chart for week ending January 10. Kanye/Paul did not chart! The song was released Dec 31. Shouldn't it have charted by now? It was released Jan. 1, so probably not. Should show up next week, if at all. It did make the iTunes charts.
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Post by bluecake on Jan 7, 2015 20:41:40 GMT -5
According to this article, the song will debut on the next chart:
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