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Post by sayne on Jan 7, 2015 20:55:00 GMT -5
This is one way to introduce Kayne's audience to McCartney. Maybe a new Shining Time Station could use a new conductor.
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Post by kc on Jan 8, 2015 0:01:03 GMT -5
Mariah Carey - that woman is such a liar. It turned out that all she wanted for Christmas was a Downton Abbey boxset. I'm wasting my breath here. I got it. Maybe I am alone though.
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Post by kc on Jan 8, 2015 0:04:03 GMT -5
I heard Only One on the radio for the first time today. Trouble is that they edited out Paul's solo at the end of the song.
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Post by sallyg on Jan 8, 2015 7:13:51 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 8, 2015 12:56:06 GMT -5
Very encouraging! I hope Paul completely drops Rock/Pop Music and throws himself 100% into Hip Hop and its culture! It might be the perfect musical genre for our beloved old hero! The deliberate and proud use of Auto-Tune and such in Hip Hop might be perfect for Paul at this stage in his career. He can''t sing "My Love" or "Blackbird" like we expect of him but Hip Hop opens up a whole new musical landscape. I for one am excited!
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Post by Panther on Jan 8, 2015 18:30:41 GMT -5
How long until Paul announces 'Rocky Raccoon' as an early hip-hop song?
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Post by sayne on Jan 8, 2015 20:10:55 GMT -5
How long until Paul announces 'Rocky Raccoon' as an early hip-hop song? Wasn't it Hey Bulldog that John called the first metal song or at least describe it as metal?
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Post by winstonoboogie on Jan 8, 2015 21:10:43 GMT -5
How long until Paul announces 'Rocky Raccoon' as an early hip-hop song? Wasn't it Hey Bulldog that John called the first metal song or at least describe it as metal? I thought John said "Day Tripper" was the first heavy metal song, but I could be wrong...
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 8, 2015 21:54:10 GMT -5
Wasn't it Hey Bulldog that John called the first metal song or at least describe it as metal? I thought John said "Day Tripper" was the first heavy metal song, but I could be wrong... Day Tripper. I don't see it, but....
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Post by sayne on Jan 8, 2015 23:34:05 GMT -5
Wasn't it Hey Bulldog that John called the first metal song or at least describe it as metal? I thought John said "Day Tripper" was the first heavy metal song, but I could be wrong... I stand corrected, but he was still wrong.
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Post by kc on Jan 9, 2015 0:37:13 GMT -5
#35 on Billboard Hot 100 in its first week.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jan 9, 2015 4:24:13 GMT -5
If his name was Kanye Wrestle, we could say
"Kanye Wrestle?"
"Yes, ye can."
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 9, 2015 7:36:06 GMT -5
I thought John said "Day Tripper" was the first heavy metal song, but I could be wrong... Day Tripper. I don't see it, but.... Actually, it was Ticket to Ride, now that I think about it.
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Post by markc on Jan 9, 2015 10:06:15 GMT -5
I thought it was I Feel Fine because of the feedback.
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 9, 2015 11:09:37 GMT -5
Here's an interesting page on Lennon as a Heavy Metal pioneer. It's mentions his comment on Ticket to Ride being Heavy Metal. earcandymag.com/heavymetallennon.htmIt credits John with coming up with the devil horns gesture (Yellow Submarine era), metal studded guitar straps, and the Cookie Monster style rock voice.
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Post by sayne on Jan 9, 2015 11:16:02 GMT -5
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Post by sayne on Jan 9, 2015 22:05:58 GMT -5
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Post by winstonoboogie on Jan 10, 2015 13:52:28 GMT -5
Interesting, sayne! Thanks for posting that!
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 10, 2015 18:31:04 GMT -5
Well, Beatles fans have as a whole looked like bullying, racist, jerks in that fake controversy over Kanye fans joking about not knowing who Paul was! Here is just one good example of a writer calling us out for attempting to shame Kanye fans when almost all of them were joking: blogs.westword.com/backbeat/2015/01/who_is_paul_mccartney_who_cares.phpThere are many more articles in a similar vein. Yep, our Beatle fan brethren came across as racist creeps in their uproar over what was a funny punk. Not only did these Beatles fans lay into Kanye's fans but Kanye himself and Hip Hop in general. We Beatles fans are already viewed as elitist geeks among fans of Rock and Roll but we played right into the stereotype this time. Not a great moment for fans of The Beatles!
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 10, 2015 18:55:34 GMT -5
Joking about this collaboration making a name for Paul sounds more like McCartney fans than Kanye fans. I don't think Kanye fans are paying it much attention.
People who don't follow rock music history know who Paul is the same way they know who Trump is. It's not because of his music as much as his pop celebrity.
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Post by sallyg on Jan 11, 2015 6:41:50 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 11, 2015 7:54:51 GMT -5
Well, Beatles fans have as a whole looked like bullying, racist, jerks in that fake controversy over Kanye fans joking about not knowing who Paul was! . Yep, our Beatle fan brethren came across as racist creeps in their uproar over what was a funny punk. Not only did these Beatles fans lay into Kanye's fans but Kanye himself and Hip Hop in general. We Beatles fans are already viewed as elitist geeks among fans of Rock and Roll but we played right into the stereotype this time. Not a great moment for fans of The Beatles! Hip Hop sucks, and so does Kanye West. Let the 'R' word fly -- that won't make it true.
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 11, 2015 8:33:18 GMT -5
I don't think it's necessarily racist to not like rap. I do think in some cases it's the reason.
I hate modern country music. Can't stand most of it. The whole drawl voice, cowboy hat wearing style of it... you might as well tie me to a chair and torture me.
I'm white, so it's not about race. It's about style.
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 11, 2015 11:31:42 GMT -5
Rap and/or Hip-Hop has its artists and its fans.
I do not care for it at all nor am I interested in the music of this thread; but if Paul wants to link up with Kanye to perform or help keep him (Paul) "au courant", that is fine. Clearly both artists repect each other. Their fans could learn something from that.
I am sad to see and read of the fans of both artists who display their ignorance of either artist's musical history or background. or their criticism of either artist's musical genre. Music is like food. You either like it or you don't. Matter of taste in both.
It is not racist to opine one's dislike of a genre of music. There are many white artists who embrace and perform Rap and Hip-Hop. The Beatles once embraced and covered much of the rhythm & blues music many of the Black American artists of the 1950's & 60's performed. It was racist to keep those early black artists records off the playlists of many mainstream radio stations of the day because of the color of their skin. The Beatles helped correct that sad fact of musical racism.
I don't recall this much discussion going on when Paul linked up with Michael Jackson or Stevie Wonder in the 80's for a few joint songs.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jan 11, 2015 11:37:07 GMT -5
That may be because Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson both did proper music rather than spoken rhymes over rhythms.
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Post by coachbk on Jan 11, 2015 18:55:24 GMT -5
I can't hear Paul at all in this song to tell you the truth. OK song, but I hate the auto tune vocals.
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 11, 2015 19:42:32 GMT -5
That may be because Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson both did proper music rather than spoken rhymes over rhythms. There you go; "proper music". What does that mean? Are African tribal drums proper music? There is no vocal line, no key, no harmonic structure. Is Japanese Kabuki proper music? No traditional Western tonal structure at all. Much of sounds like what Yoko does when she decides to shreik out her winey voice in her idea of music. Is the classical music of Schoenberg, or Alban Berg proper when it is serial in structure, atonal aurally with no hint of any key structure. Berg's Opera WOZZECK is considered one of the great operas of the 20th Century. Schoenberg's GURRELIEDER is considered one of the great modern choral works. Rap has no key or harmonic structure, but it does contain rhythm and lyrics, two key fundamental items found in many of the styles I mentioned above, which are all considered to be legitimate music. I cannot stand rap myself, but I will defend it as a form of music. Proper is a descriptive word left mostly to the listener to define a type of music they like. Or prefer. But it hardly applies to all types of music. I applaud Paul for wanting to experience as many different types of music as he can in his lifetime. Rap, Hip-hop, symphonic, ballet, rock, rhythm & blues, ballads, hard metal, jazz, nightclub crooning, etc., etc. You don't have to like it, or want to listen to it, but it is all "proper" music as we define the art form.
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 11, 2015 21:07:43 GMT -5
Paul got pretty close to a rap style on Tug of Peace. This was 1983. That Was Me has a little bit of rap style.
I think Chuck Berry's Maybellene from 1955 and Bob Dylan's Subterranean Homesick Blues are pretty close to rap. Wiki sites stuff as early as Glen Miller's 1939 song The Lady's in Love With You and songs from The Music Man.
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 11, 2015 21:20:30 GMT -5
Here's our favorite, Leon Russell spitting out a bad rhyme from 1971. Skip to 2:30.
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Post by sayne on Jan 11, 2015 21:55:27 GMT -5
That may be because Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson both did proper music rather than spoken rhymes over rhythms. There you go; "proper music". What does that mean? Are African tribal drums proper music? There is no vocal line, no key, no harmonic structure. Is Japanese Kabuki proper music? No traditional Western tonal structure at all. Much of sounds like what Yoko does when she decides to shreik out her winey voice in her idea of music. Is the classical music of Schoenberg, or Alban Berg proper when it is serial in structure, atonal aurally with no hint of any key structure. Berg's Opera WOZZECK is considered one of the great operas of the 20th Century. Schoenberg's GURRELIEDER is considered one of the great modern choral works. Rap has no key or harmonic structure, but it does contain rhythm and lyrics, two key fundamental items found in many of the styles I mentioned above, which are all considered to be legitimate music. I cannot stand rap myself, but I will defend it as a form of music. Proper is a descriptive word left mostly to the listener to define a type of music they like. Or prefer. But it hardly applies to all types of music. I applaud Paul for wanting to experience as many different types of music as he can in his lifetime. Rap, Hip-hop, symphonic, ballet, rock, rhythm & blues, ballads, hard metal, jazz, nightclub crooning, etc., etc. You don't have to like it, or want to listen to it, but it is all "proper" music as we define the art form. Bravo. How many of us growing up had to deal with our elders hearing the Beatles, Hendrix, Led Zep, or whatever and saying, "That's not music." John Cage currently has a piece being performed called "As Slow as Possible." The performance of it is expected to finish in 2640. One of my favorite "avant garde" pieces is John Riley's "In C."
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