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Post by gloi on Mar 11, 2010 12:25:24 GMT -5
Yeah, apparently Macca first made the comments to Hunter Davies for an updated version of his Beatles bio. This came from a private telephone call between Paul and Hunter Davies, which Hunter Davies then printed in an update of his book much to Paul's annoyance.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 29, 2010 11:19:27 GMT -5
The following excerpt was from Rolling Stone's tribute to George Harrison, published in 2002. It would seem to back up K. Badman's claim that George did see John in 1979 or 1980.
"An especially poignant moment is when an interviewer asks him about his relationship with John Lennon right before he was shot to death. George says that he felt John was trying to reconnect with him. He went to see him in New York and he could tell John wanted so badly to restart a relationship with him but because of his circumstances, probably Yoko's possessiveness of him, he could not communicate what he wanted to say."
But then again John's Sept. 18, 1980 Playboy interview quotes him;
"I haven't seen any of The Beatles for I don't know how long. It doesn't even cross my mind as to whether I've seen them or not."
What George's quote does allude to is his feelings towards Yoko's influence over John.
On another subject, I saw the above quote while I was going over some quotes from the RS tribute to George mainly to try and find where it supposedly says Eric Clapton and George had a falling out prior to George's passing in 2001 because Eric had alluded to George that he had brought the stabbing incident in 1999 in his home upon himself. And this caused a rift in their relationship to remain up until George's death. I couldn't find any evidence of this but Greg (Tammy) who does the Beatles Photo Blog mentions it this week as a comment to a set of photos he put up of George and Eric. He credits one of the Monty Python members as saying this around the time of the RS tribute in 2002.
Does anyone recall such a comment made in RS? Or on this subject? I never heard about it and it surprised me. I thought Eric and George were tight right up until the end.
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Post by scousette on Sept 29, 2010 11:56:08 GMT -5
The following excerpt was from Rolling Stone's tribute to George Harrison, published in 2002. It would seem to back up K. Badman's claim that George did see John in 1979 or 1980. "An especially poignant moment is when an interviewer asks him about his relationship with John Lennon right before he was shot to death. George says that he felt John was trying to reconnect with him. He went to see him in New York and he could tell John wanted so badly to restart a relationship with him but because of his circumstances, probably Yoko's possessiveness of him, he could not communicate what he wanted to say." But then again John's Sept. 18, 1980 Playboy interview quotes him; "I haven't seen any of The Beatles for I don't know how long. It doesn't even cross my mind as to whether I've seen them or not." What George's quote does allude to is his feelings towards Yoko's influence over John. On another subject, I saw the above quote while I was going over some quotes from the RS tribute to George mainly to try and find where it supposedly says Eric Clapton and George had a falling out prior to George's passing in 2001 because Eric had alluded to George that he had brought the stabbing incident in 1999 in his home upon himself. And this caused a rift in their relationship to remain up until George's death. I couldn't find any evidence of this but Greg (Tammy) who does the Beatles Photo Blog mentions it this week as a comment to a set of photos he put up of George and Eric. He credits one of the Monty Python members as saying this around the time of the RS tribute in 2002. Does anyone recall such a comment made in RS? Or on this subject? I never heard about it and it surprised me. I thought Eric and George were tight right up until the end. I don't recall ever reading of a rift between Eric and George. I wonder which Python made the comment.
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Post by ursamajor on Sept 29, 2010 17:13:45 GMT -5
The following excerpt was from Rolling Stone's tribute to George Harrison, published in 2002. It would seem to back up K. Badman's claim that George did see John in 1979 or 1980. "An especially poignant moment is when an interviewer asks him about his relationship with John Lennon right before he was shot to death. George says that he felt John was trying to reconnect with him. He went to see him in New York and he could tell John wanted so badly to restart a relationship with him but because of his circumstances, probably Yoko's possessiveness of him, he could not communicate what he wanted to say." But then again John's Sept. 18, 1980 Playboy interview quotes him; "I haven't seen any of The Beatles for I don't know how long. It doesn't even cross my mind as to whether I've seen them or not." What George's quote does allude to is his feelings towards Yoko's influence over John. On another subject, I saw the above quote while I was going over some quotes from the RS tribute to George mainly to try and find where it supposedly says Eric Clapton and George had a falling out prior to George's passing in 2001 because Eric had alluded to George that he had brought the stabbing incident in 1999 in his home upon himself. And this caused a rift in their relationship to remain up until George's death. I couldn't find any evidence of this but Greg (Tammy) who does the Beatles Photo Blog mentions it this week as a comment to a set of photos he put up of George and Eric. He credits one of the Monty Python members as saying this around the time of the RS tribute in 2002. Does anyone recall such a comment made in RS? Or on this subject? I never heard about it and it surprised me. I thought Eric and George were tight right up until the end. That's right, the people closest to John, always felt the overbearing shadow of Ms Ono when approaching John which is what frustrates me about John. What a mamaca's boy he could be.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 29, 2010 22:59:11 GMT -5
The following excerpt was from Rolling Stone's tribute to George Harrison, published in 2002. It would seem to back up K. Badman's claim that George did see John in 1979 or 1980. "An especially poignant moment is when an interviewer asks him about his relationship with John Lennon right before he was shot to death. George says that he felt John was trying to reconnect with him. He went to see him in New York and he could tell John wanted so badly to restart a relationship with him but because of his circumstances, probably Yoko's possessiveness of him, he could not communicate what he wanted to say." But then again John's Sept. 18, 1980 Playboy interview quotes him; "I haven't seen any of The Beatles for I don't know how long. It doesn't even cross my mind as to whether I've seen them or not." What George's quote does allude to is his feelings towards Yoko's influence over John. On another subject, I saw the above quote while I was going over some quotes from the RS tribute to George mainly to try and find where it supposedly says Eric Clapton and George had a falling out prior to George's passing in 2001 because Eric had alluded to George that he had brought the stabbing incident in 1999 in his home upon himself. And this caused a rift in their relationship to remain up until George's death. I couldn't find any evidence of this but Greg (Tammy) who does the Beatles Photo Blog mentions it this week as a comment to a set of photos he put up of George and Eric. He credits one of the Monty Python members as saying this around the time of the RS tribute in 2002. Does anyone recall such a comment made in RS? Or on this subject? I never heard about it and it surprised me. I thought Eric and George were tight right up until the end. I don't recall ever reading of a rift between Eric and George. I wonder which Python made the comment. Greg said possibly Petter said it? He wasn't absolutely sure though.
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Post by stavros on Oct 2, 2010 13:04:53 GMT -5
The following excerpt was from Rolling Stone's tribute to George Harrison, published in 2002. It would seem to back up K. Badman's claim that George did see John in 1979 or 1980. "An especially poignant moment is when an interviewer asks him about his relationship with John Lennon right before he was shot to death. George says that he felt John was trying to reconnect with him. He went to see him in New York and he could tell John wanted so badly to restart a relationship with him but because of his circumstances, probably Yoko's possessiveness of him, he could not communicate what he wanted to say." But then again John's Sept. 18, 1980 Playboy interview quotes him; "I haven't seen any of The Beatles for I don't know how long. It doesn't even cross my mind as to whether I've seen them or not." What George's quote does allude to is his feelings towards Yoko's influence over John. On another subject, I saw the above quote while I was going over some quotes from the RS tribute to George mainly to try and find where it supposedly says Eric Clapton and George had a falling out prior to George's passing in 2001 because Eric had alluded to George that he had brought the stabbing incident in 1999 in his home upon himself. And this caused a rift in their relationship to remain up until George's death. I couldn't find any evidence of this but Greg (Tammy) who does the Beatles Photo Blog mentions it this week as a comment to a set of photos he put up of George and Eric. He credits one of the Monty Python members as saying this around the time of the RS tribute in 2002. Does anyone recall such a comment made in RS? Or on this subject? I never heard about it and it surprised me. I thought Eric and George were tight right up until the end. It actually contradicts Badman as his book firmly places the meeting at a Python concert at the Hollywood Bowl in 1980. So the question has to be was there actually a get together that neither George or John ever made public?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2010 16:56:12 GMT -5
. . . I would have hated for the Beatles to have become like the Rolling Stones - a long, slow descent into mediocrity.... There are those who might argue (they are on this board, too) that they did this quite well on their own as solo artists. Oh, and this "slow descent into mediocrity" that is always attached to the Stones really is a myth. Anyone who has consistently seen the Stones live, including the 2-3 last tours, will attest that they still deliver. Sure, there may be an isolated show here and there where they're not as tight as they could be and there is a lack of energy, and sure there are people who will say, "I saw them back in the 80s and they were much better," but to suggest that seeing the Stones live is as painful and embarrassing as, say, seeing Muhammad Ali in the ring is just not so. There were people in the 80s who were saying they were not as good as in the 70s and people in the 70s saying they were better in the 60s, and people in the 60s saying they were better in the Marquee Club. Fact is, seeing the Stones is seldom a waste of money or time. I will concede that maybe they should play smaller venues rather than the stadiums. Recording artists? Yeah, no hits, but that doesn't mean the songs suck. They are in the artisan part of their lives, rather than the assembly line stage. Just because their sound and style is not current doesn't mean it's not good. I think Woolie's quote is accurate if applied to their recording career.....I think the Jagger/Richards creative cupboard is bare... Notice Jagger no longer records solo albums....he obviously realises he records enough turds with the strollers, he obviously doesn't want to embarrass himself by going backwards from there,as he has done in the past......
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Post by brothermichael on Oct 2, 2010 20:39:11 GMT -5
I think that John was really happy when he got his songwriting muse back in Bermuda in 1980. But isn't this part of the myth they tried to create for Double Fantasy? I thought the Lost Lennon Tapes and bootlegs like the Dakota Demos revealed that John Lennon had been writing songs, or fragments in some cases that became DF tracks, from 1976 through 1980.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 2, 2010 22:35:26 GMT -5
I think that John was really happy when he got his songwriting muse back in Bermuda in 1980. But isn't this part of the myth they tried to create for Double Fantasy? I thought the Lost Lennon Tapes and bootlegs like the Dakota Demos revealed that John Lennon had been writing songs, or fragments in some cases that became DF tracks, from 1976 through 1980. Good point and I am torn on that as on one hand we do have all those Dakota demos from 1976 through 1980 but until recently I dismissed them as tinkerings by a songwriter who couldn't finish anything at that time. I am now a little more appreciative of those demos but they aren't the ones John released for DF but rather the ones he wrote in Bermuda(some DF songs may be descendants of the Dakota demos admittedly). I do believe John had some kind of reawakening on that sailing trip he took to Bermuda where he was forced to pilot the boat in a fierce storm. And that adventure had nothing to do with Yoko: I feel John really discovered how to be a man again and stand on his own two feet. Or at least be reminded that he could accomplish something on his own. I admit that sometimes I don't know what to believe in that period. I do think that Yoko was happy as hell for John to get his ass out of bed and out of the apartment to make music again because that meant she could too. In all the 1980 interviews, you never read Yoko saying that she wanted to just sit at home and bake bread and watch Sean. Never. Yoko always wants to be where the action is and with her part of it, IMO.
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Post by nine on Oct 3, 2010 2:45:44 GMT -5
I think that the muse he got back in 1980 was the discipline and confidence to complete a song. The songs that came to him were mostly from odds and ends he'd already written.
Many of his DF and Milk and Honey tracks are complete in ways much of his solo output hadn't been. Woman, Watching The Wheels and Nobody Told Me are perfectly crafted songs.
It's a shame tracks like I'm Stepping Out and Forgive Me weren't fully formed. I reckon that had he had the time these songs would have been. I also think he would have dipped into his Dakota demos for his next few albums. He had a lot of stuff and a lot of it had great potential.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2010 7:56:41 GMT -5
I think that the muse he got back in 1980 was the discipline and confidence to complete a song. The songs that came to him were mostly from odds and ends he'd already written. I I also think he would have dipped into his Dakota demos for his next few albums. He had a lot of stuff and a lot of it had great potential. Quite ironic really when he tried to tell all and sundry he virtually hung his guitar on the wall for 5 years...... As it turns out he was making demos whilst he was locked away in the Dakota,in between baking loaves of bread and playing with Sean...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 3, 2010 8:12:16 GMT -5
Quite ironic really when he tried to tell all and sundry he virtually hung his guitar on the wall for 5 years...... As it turns out he was making demos whilst he was locked away in the Dakota,in between baking loaves of bread and playing with Sean... Just as he didn't literally bake bread 24/7, he didn't play guitar 24/7. I think when John said he hung his guitar on the wall for 5 years, that's a generalization that basically conveys he wasn't that interested in making music and performing. He dabbled, but in his mind it wasn't the same thing.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 3, 2010 8:13:10 GMT -5
I think that the muse he got back in 1980 was the discipline and confidence to complete a song. Or, most of all, the DESIRE.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 28, 2010 6:20:39 GMT -5
I am currently listening to the latest installment of THE FAB FOURUM, and it features an interview with a man who wrote a book on the DOUBLE FANTASY SESSIONS. He interviewed all of the musicians on the album, and anyone else associated with it. But my point here is, the author confirms that everyone who talks about John here says Lennon was VERY HAPPY and VERY "UP". So just another proof that John was not "miserable" at this point. Link: www.podarama.com/fab_fourum/User_633.php
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 28, 2010 6:36:19 GMT -5
Great link, thanks Joe.
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Post by mikev on Oct 28, 2010 7:15:44 GMT -5
I am currently listening to the latest installment of THE FAB FOURUM, and it features an interview with a man who wrote a book on the DOUBLE FANTASY SESSIONS. He interviewed all of the musicians on the album, and anyone else associated with it. But my point here is, the author confirms that everyone who talks about John here says Lennon was VERY HAPPY and VERY "UP". So just another proof that John was not "miserable" at this point. Link: www.podarama.com/fab_fourum/User_633.phpOf course he wasn't miserable- he was recording music again with other musicians. Bringing Yoko in I would assume was part of a "compromise", but she did not jam with all of the musicians the way John did.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 28, 2010 7:25:18 GMT -5
Of course he wasn't miserable- he was recording music again with other musicians. It wasn't just that they were recording music. And there are so many others who knew him at this time that relate the same enthusiasm and overall "upbeat" nature. Listen to the show.
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Post by lowbasso on Oct 28, 2010 12:50:12 GMT -5
I am currently listening to the latest installment of THE FAB FOURUM, and it features an interview with a man who wrote a book on the DOUBLE FANTASY SESSIONS. He interviewed all of the musicians on the album, and anyone else associated with it. But my point here is, the author confirms that everyone who talks about John here says Lennon was VERY HAPPY and VERY "UP". So just another proof that John was not "miserable" at this point. Link: www.podarama.com/fab_fourum/User_633.phpOf course he wasn't miserable- he was recording music again with other musicians. Bringing Yoko in I would assume was part of a "compromise", but she did not jam with all of the musicians the way John did. And it had been 5 years since John had done any recording so it is perfectly understandable he was in a great mood. The songs he did on DF bear that out. Yoko was never a musician (as her songs on DF bear out), but an avant guard artist whom John encouraged to put her ideas to "music", which he supervised in the studio and obviously felt comfortable adding to his tracks on the album. One can observe on hearing his tracks on DF that John was at his most creative level since his Beatle periods more than a decade earlier. That is what is so tragic about what happened that December in 1980.
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Post by mikev on Oct 28, 2010 13:20:10 GMT -5
I actually think Yoko had some background in classical piano.
The tragedy was expanded by all of the brilliant demos we have heard besides the Milk and Honey material. Some of those songs if fully realized would have arguably competed with his best material.
Grow Old With Me could have been as powerful as Imagine in musical impact- maybe not "groundbreaking" but even if it just became a standard wedding staple. Basically, it could have been John's "Yesterday".
Eventually he and Paul could have converged in the studio for a raucous rock and roll album. 50s influenced but completely original. It would have come on the heels of the Stray Cats. One would have called the other and said it's time...
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 28, 2010 17:16:43 GMT -5
Grow Old Along With Me has some great lyrics, very poignant tune. It reads simple but I love the whole sentiment of the song.
Also, I'm Stepping Out could me made today and the part that goes , "If it don't feel right" always makes me think it could be done in a club mix way with thick ambient bass line.
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Post by lowbasso on Oct 28, 2010 19:53:47 GMT -5
I actually think Yoko had some background in classical piano. The tragedy was expanded by all of the brilliant demos we have heard besides the Milk and Honey material. Some of those songs if fully realized would have arguably competed with his best material. Grow Old With Me could have been as powerful as Imagine in musical impact- maybe not "groundbreaking" but even if it just became a standard wedding staple. Basically, it could have been John's "Yesterday". Eventually he and Paul could have converged in the studio for a raucous rock and roll album. 50s influenced but completely original. It would have come on the heels of the Stray Cats. One would have called the other and said it's time... When Paul recorded his B-side cover album of old R&R hits in 1999 I am sure John would have jumped at the chance to collaborate with him on such an album. Whether Yoko would have approved, well, that would have been another issue....
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Nov 2, 2010 13:44:36 GMT -5
Of course he wasn't miserable- he was recording music again with other musicians. Bringing Yoko in I would assume was part of a "compromise", but she did not jam with all of the musicians the way John did. And it had been 5 years since John had done any recording so it is perfectly understandable he was in a great mood. The songs he did on DF bear that out. Yoko was never a musician (as her songs on DF bear out), but an avant guard artist whom John encouraged to put her ideas to "music", which he supervised in the studio and obviously felt comfortable adding to his tracks on the album. One can observe on hearing his tracks on DF that John was at his most creative level since his Beatle periods more than a decade earlier. That is what is so tragic about what happened that December in 1980. I agree with that. John made his best music since the Beatles on Double Fantasy. I find I am appreciating that album more and more. It was a bit of a disappointment in 1980 when I first heard it. But I was expecting too much. As the years have gone by, I find it to be much more accessible than POB and Imagine, as good as they were. I think he really lost his way especially after Imagine and didn't find it again until Double Fantasy. He had some basically mediocre or worse albums in between with a couple stand out tracks in total during that time. DF was a great comeback. I don't think Yoko's tracks helped things. I like to make a compilation of DF and Milk and Honey with just John's tracks. That is really great to hear all together. I'm sure I'm not the only one on this board who has done that. The only song I really don't care for is (Forgive Me) My Little Flower Princess. I don't know what John was trying to do with that track--some quazi solo disco sound. Some of Yoko's songs are ok. They just don't fit well with John's. You have to be in a completely different mood. That makes 12 solid tracks I would put up against POB or Imagine any day. 1. "(Just Like) Starting Over" 2. "Cleanup Time" 3. "I'm Losing You" 4. "Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy)" 5. "Watching the Wheels" 6. "Woman" 7. "Dear Yoko" 8. "I'm Stepping Out" 9. "I Don't Wanna Face It" 10. "Nobody Told Me" 11. "Borrowed Time" 12. "Grow Old with Me"
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Post by ursamajor on Nov 5, 2010 21:46:44 GMT -5
I love Forgive Me My Little Flower Princess, it's obvious he was just trying out different arrangements, the acoustic demo shows what a great song it really is.
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 6, 2012 14:49:00 GMT -5
This article on Tom Brady's wife popping off and blaming his teammates for last night's Patriot Super Bowl loss even brings out the "Yoko analogy" however unfairly to Yoko: "Mrs. Brady rips Tom’s teammates for dropping passes Posted by Mike Florio on February 6, 2012, 9:55 AM EST And here comes the drama. After last night’s 21-17 loss in the Super Bowl, the wife of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady was making her way to the team’s locker room. Along the way, Gisele Bundchen (I continue to refuse to call her a “supermodel” until she displays at least one super power) vented regarding the inability of some of Tom’s teammates to secure balls that hit them in the hands. “You [have] to catch the ball when you’re supposed to catch the ball,” she said in a video posted by TheInsider.com, via TBL. “My husband cannot f–king throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time. I can’t believe they dropped the ball so many times.” Though there were several drops in the second half, Brady also wasn’t the same after Giants defensive end Justin Tuck drove his left shoulder into the ground during a second-half sack. The key gaffe — the drop by receiver Wes Welker on a drive that could have iced the game — came on a ball for which Welker had to reach up and back and lunge. If Brady had hit Welker in stride, Welker wouldn’t have dropped it. If he had caught it, he easily could have lost it when he struck the ground after making the effort to keep his hands on it. Apart from the fact that Tom had a role in the delivery of some of those dropped passes, it’ll be interesting to see whether the remarks from his wife create any Yoko-style problems for Brady and his fellow players."profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/06/mrs-brady-rips-toms-teammates-for-dropping-passes/ Whenever a famous person's wife creates a stir, Yoko Ono is referenced in a negative way!
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Post by debjorgo on Feb 6, 2012 20:39:15 GMT -5
This article on Tom Brady's wife popping off and blaming his teammates for last night's Patriot Super Bowl loss even brings out the "Yoko analogy" however unfairly to Yoko: "Mrs. Brady rips Tom’s teammates for dropping passes Posted by Mike Florio on February 6, 2012, 9:55 AM EST And here comes the drama. After last night’s 21-17 loss in the Super Bowl, the wife of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady was making her way to the team’s locker room. Along the way, Gisele Bundchen (I continue to refuse to call her a “supermodel” until she displays at least one super power) vented regarding the inability of some of Tom’s teammates to secure balls that hit them in the hands. “You [have] to catch the ball when you’re supposed to catch the ball,” she said in a video posted by TheInsider.com, via TBL. “My husband cannot f–king throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time. I can’t believe they dropped the ball so many times.” Though there were several drops in the second half, Brady also wasn’t the same after Giants defensive end Justin Tuck drove his left shoulder into the ground during a second-half sack. The key gaffe — the drop by receiver Wes Welker on a drive that could have iced the game — came on a ball for which Welker had to reach up and back and lunge. If Brady had hit Welker in stride, Welker wouldn’t have dropped it. If he had caught it, he easily could have lost it when he struck the ground after making the effort to keep his hands on it. Apart from the fact that Tom had a role in the delivery of some of those dropped passes, it’ll be interesting to see whether the remarks from his wife create any Yoko-style problems for Brady and his fellow players."profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/06/mrs-brady-rips-toms-teammates-for-dropping-passes/ Whenever a famous person's wife creates a stir, Yoko Ono is referenced in a negative way! Well, at least she did not go into the locker room and Lewinski him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 6:55:34 GMT -5
There are those who might argue (they are on this board, too) that they did this quite well on their own as solo artists. Oh, and this "slow descent into mediocrity" that is always attached to the Stones really is a myth. Anyone who has consistently seen the Stones live, including the 2-3 last tours, will attest that they still deliver. Recording artists? Yeah, no hits, but that doesn't mean the songs suck. They are in the artisan part of their lives, rather than the assembly line stage. Just because their sound and style is not current doesn't mean it's not good. My long 'slow descent into mediocrity' comment about the Stones was typical wooltonian lazy cliche and generalisation -- and I'm certainly no expert on the Stones. In terms of the Stones' recorded output over, say, the past thirty years, I think it could certainly be argued that it falls some distance short of the stuff they were producing in the late sixties to mid seventies. I'm not even sure that the lack of hits is due to the lack of a 'current' sound -- there's still a massive market for a great rock song -- it's just that they stopped producing classic singles some time ago. There is a similarity and a definite parallel with Paul's career. Both are still a huge crowd draw and both still produce albums which create relatively little impact critically, but which sell respectably well to the hard-core fans. I had no issues with your long slow descent into mediocrity comment about the Stones, mostly because i find them to be grossly overrated...that is not to say they can't put on a good show, i just think there's a b double full of crap in their catalogue.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 9, 2012 10:35:25 GMT -5
I'll start by saying I like the Rolling Stones -- probably anything they did in the 1960s, much of what they did in the 1970s, and some sporadic twinkles in the 1980s. Music-wise they haven't done anything really fresh or of note in decades.
But I do think the Rolling Stones have descended into mediocrity as well as stagnant repetition, and are living proof of why a band should not go on and on indefinitely. John Lennon said "it's the same old rehash and I've never heard anything new from them" in 1971 and he may have been off at that time, but he could say this now and it would fit perfectly.
I saw the Stones only once Live in 1989. I thought they were terrible, but then again I don't like when the songs are not performed the way I'm used to hearing them sung and played. I think the Stones looked really tired and past their prime when they did the Super Bowl show some years ago. I think they really stayed around too long, and that - if we're going to make Beatles comparisons - both Paul and Ringo come off better in old age than Mick and the Guys do. Paul looks more impressive in his recent concerts.
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 9, 2012 12:02:04 GMT -5
John Lennon said "it's the same old rehash and I've never heard anything new from them" in 1971 and he may have been off at that time, but he could say this now and it would fit perfectly. I think John was way off in knocking the Stones in 1971, they were on fire in that period culminating with Exile On Main Street, an amazingly diverse album but Rock and Roll at its core. I watched recently Ladies And Gentlemen: The Rolling Stones from the 1971 tour and that band is cooking. Simply awesome stuff live. But yeah, I haven't really been listening to their newer music since Steel Wheels although some posters here really liked their last studio album A Bigger Bang. I've not heard a single song off of it. I have come to really appreciate Keith Richards and just picked up the hardcover version of his book. Keith is a friend of The Beatles and what they did.
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Post by mikev on Feb 9, 2012 15:03:39 GMT -5
John Lennon said "it's the same old rehash and I've never heard anything new from them" in 1971 and he may have been off at that time, but he could say this now and it would fit perfectly. I think John was way off in knocking the Stones in 1971, they were on fire in that period culminating with Exile On Main Street, an amazingly diverse album but Rock and Roll at its core. I watched recently Ladies And Gentlemen: The Rolling Stones from the 1971 tour and that band is cooking. Simply awesome stuff live. But yeah, I haven't really been listening to their newer music since Steel Wheels although some posters here really liked their last studio album A Bigger Bang. I've not heard a single song off of it. I have come to really appreciate Keith Richards and just picked up the hardcover version of his book. Keith is a friend of The Beatles and what they did. Exile was sort of the Stones' White Album, not so much that it was a double album, but it contained a wide (but not AS wide) range of musical styles. John was off from a studio perspective and way way way off from a live concert perspective as the Stones left the Beatles in the collective dust in that category- never to ever be challenged by the Fab No More. And because of that lack of later live material, I've always has Stonus envy ;D.
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Post by Zander on Mar 14, 2012 5:44:40 GMT -5
Although John was at his happiest it appears during the DF sessions - he sure as hell didn't look healthy. There's a new book about to come out that discusses Yoko's influence over his diets, food and eating habits. Yoko's influence was definitely way too influential in this area if his life, he looked decimated...
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