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Post by mikev on Jun 6, 2011 20:15:45 GMT -5
Okay, someone took the best available roof-top footage and synced it with stereo versions of songs from the actual performances. The only real fake was the syncing of I Me Mine- the unspectorized studio version from 1970 synced up with performance video. Most of the material was from the roof top.
Anyway, I've now watched this video numerous times. The clip quality was very good but not pristine. The audio was stereo studio quality, but probably not 1st generation. I'm guessing most of the performance was either from the movie or Anthology, but there were definitely small bits I have never seen. Also the roof top version of Dig A Pony left out the all I want is you bit as was edited for Let it Be the album.
There is other bonus footage, but most of it is available on youtube.
My point is, that if Apple (ie Beatles inc) doesn't want to release the movie, at least give us something like this. Nobody wants to putz around the Anthology video to get to the clips. This was a well edited piece of work you can tune into and enjoy song aftyer song. To see Paul on the left and John on the right as their respective vocals come out on each side is awesome- imagine it in 5:1...
No discontent, just good live rock and roll-real.
no , hmmm I'd rather get a Please Please Me pen and tie set.
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Post by wooltonian on Jun 7, 2011 2:46:18 GMT -5
Agree. I hate the notion that 'Let it be' will never be released on DVD because somehow it showcases an 'unhappy time' and stirs up too many bad memories...it is therefore 'no go' territory. This explanation is unfathomable to me. Firstly, there is very little in the original film that actually reflects this. The Paul / George argument excepted, there is nothing particaularly controversial in 'Let it be' -- even in the argument they're hardly knocking chunks out of each other. Additionally, however, they all discussed the whole 'Let it be' thing at considerable length during the 'Anthology' documentary, so it's hardly a taboo subject -- in fact, 'Anthology' leans very heavily on 'Let it be' footage.......so why not just put the bloody thing out? I don't get it.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 7, 2011 12:51:51 GMT -5
Apple isn't saying it'll never get released, but they're not dropping any hints, either. You'll recall that an Apple rep told me that it WAS in the cards. They've been holding that hand for a while, though. And Ron Furmanek described it to me in my interview with him as a very different film in remastered form, much more upbeat. Maybe we'll see it eventually. Maybe.
And is that the "Winter of Discontent" set, mikev?
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Post by stavros on Jun 7, 2011 13:29:38 GMT -5
I haven't seen Let it Be in it's entirety for about 10 years. I'm not sure that the whole film is really that interesting. The highlight is the Rooftop concert which is great. A different version would be welcome by me on DVD. Even if it's a "Making of Let it Be" documentary. A few new clips and interviews from the past would be great. An update from Paul and Ringo would be excellent. And Yoko would be interesting if she could be coaxed to comment. Then the rooftop concert in it's entirety. The Beatles may not have played live for 3 years but they did a fine job that afternoon in the cold of a late January in the last year of the sixties. Do it Apple you know we want you to.
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Post by Jason I on Jun 7, 2011 13:51:21 GMT -5
I've read that there's enough camera footage from the rooftop that they could literally do a home release where you can change the angles for certain songs in real time.
I have a crazy amount of LIB unreleased footage from bootlegs down the years, so god only knows how much they must have in the Apple vaults, needless to say in far better restored quality.
They probably have enough to make it a new/old Reality show series. Each week seeing the trials and tribulations, the laughs, the arguments of the biggest band in the world getting in at 6 each morning to write, rehearse and record new songs. Talk about politics of the day, religion, their recent experiences and of course breaking up. "I'll see you round the clubs" etc.
Edit: There you go Apple. That's a far more adventurous idea then anything you've done in the past 10 years...
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Post by mikev on Jun 7, 2011 20:34:23 GMT -5
Apple isn't saying it'll never get released, but they're not dropping any hints, either. You'll recall that an Apple rep told me that it WAS in the cards. They've been holding that hand for a while, though. And Ron Furmanek described it to me in my interview with him as a very different film in remastered form, much more upbeat. Maybe we'll see it eventually. Maybe. And is that the "Winter of Discontent" set, mikev? yes- a two disc set, but really to me the stereo formatted "concert" is much more enjoyable than sitting through Let it Be the movie. I watch it much much more than the "dull" mono grainy Let it Be, of which I own the original VHS and various DVDs all from the same crappy source. As Jason mentioned, there is so much stuff it is incredible, Honestly, without going through all of the complete performances even non tracked Nagra stuff can be enhanced and if corresponding color footage exists, can make great bonus discs. I know we've gone in circles here often, but my point here is the songs themselves one after the other performed live are VERY entertaining. It doesn't HAVE TO BE the movie.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 8, 2011 7:58:54 GMT -5
Agree. I hate the notion that 'Let it be' will never be released on DVD because somehow it showcases an 'unhappy time' and stirs up too many bad memories...it is therefore 'no go' territory. This explanation is unfathomable to me. Without anything previously to really back it up with other than my own intuition, that is the reason I've always figured that LIB was held back. I really think Apple sucks for whitewashing the Beatles and only issuing wholesome la-de-da crap like the LOVE mixes, GUITAR HERO, and trying to "sissyfy" the Fabs. The Beatles, even to me, are seeming like a bunch of dandies these days... I can only imagine how many youngsters don't think they're "cool" or "edgey" anymore.
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Post by wooltonian on Jun 8, 2011 8:59:01 GMT -5
Agree. I hate the notion that 'Let it be' will never be released on DVD because somehow it showcases an 'unhappy time' and stirs up too many bad memories...it is therefore 'no go' territory. This explanation is unfathomable to me. Without anything previously to really back it up with other than my own intuition, that is the reason I've always figured that LIB was held back. I really think Apple sucks for whitewashing the Beatles and only issuing wholesome la-de-da crap like the LOVE mixes, GUITAR HERO, and trying to "sissyfy" the Fabs. The Beatles, even to me, are seeming like a bunch of dandies these days... I can only imagine how many youngsters don't think they're "cool" or "edgey" anymore. Agree....in which case, thank God for youtube! At least fans and casual listeners alike can access most of the key Beatles footage via the internet -- albeit in grainy, technically substandard quality. I have just entered 'Get back Beatles' into the youtube search engine and the top video boasted over 12 million hits with 21 comments posted in the last 24 hours! If nothing else, this gives me hope firstly that the Beatles are still being enjoyed and appreciated by a wide cross-section of people and secondly that many folk are venturing outside the Beatle-lite confines of 'Love', 'Rockband' etc and are enjoying some good footage... ...of course all this runs contrary to the wishes of Apple, who I am absolutely sure would have all this stuff shut down if at all possible!
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Post by andyb on Jun 8, 2011 10:41:32 GMT -5
What with Youtube and the like they'd better hurry up and do something really interesting while people still expect to pay for this stuff.
I keep my fingers crossed that there's enough interesting footage to go with the available audio. I say that because of the exchange in Anthology where Paul is explaining what he thinks should happen with the cameras during a show and this seems to back up the Sulphy book where Paul is quoted a few times during the sessions questioning what kind of footage is being captured. So even though I've seen the cameramen quoted as saying they pretty much shot everthing from beginning to end is the footage too static or did it miss the action etc.
I would hope not but looking at the film you can see how they cobbled togther enough shots from different days to cover the audio. Maybe there was too much stuff to go through with the linear editing process back then and something better could be made with today's technology.
Here's hoping.
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Post by andyb on Jun 8, 2011 10:51:55 GMT -5
I'd edit it for a ten bob note and some money.
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Post by mikev on Jun 8, 2011 14:01:07 GMT -5
To list some Nagra recordings I would love to see with corresponding film footage, excluding "unfinished/portions" Abbey Road/solo songs and alternate takes:
Gone Gone Gone (John vocal) All Things Must Pass, several takes including later ones with Billy Preston Paul singing I'm So Tired John singing I've Got a Feeling and I Lost My Little Girl Can You Dig It (Get Off) Eddie (Paul) Her Majesty (Paul) Maggie Mae Isn't it a Pity Oh Darling She Came in Through the Bathroom Window Mean Mr. Mustard Watching Rainbows Child of Nature
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Post by Snookeroo on Jun 16, 2011 23:12:13 GMT -5
I've read that there's enough camera footage from the rooftop that they could literally do a home release where you can change the angles for certain songs in real time. That would be so cool. There are a couple of guitar solos by George where they show footage of people in the street instead of George playing, which I've always wanted to see. Here are some examples:
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 16, 2011 23:28:53 GMT -5
I really like George's guitar solo on "One After 909" so yeah it is very disappointing that we don't see a second of it because of the stupid street shots. The street shot is cool the first time but damn-it, these are The Beatles giving their last live public appearance and I and the rest of us want to watch solely the band!
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Post by Snookeroo on Jun 18, 2011 1:02:39 GMT -5
Some of the street shots are important, and they tell a story. I just would like to see it edited from a real fans perspective. I like how they did, "I've Got A Feeling". You hear the intro and the first verse from the street as they interview a clean old man (who is pro Beatles), but they cut to the band at a good point in the song. It seems to work well. The old lady they cut in is priceless.
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Post by mikev on Jun 21, 2011 11:45:12 GMT -5
Some of the street shots are important, and they tell a story. I just would like to see it edited from a real fans perspective. I like how they did, "I've Got A Feeling". You hear the intro and the first verse from the street as they interview a clean old man (who is pro Beatles), but they cut to the band at a good point in the song. It seems to work well. The old lady they cut in is priceless. It always seems to me that the clean old man bashes them first, then praises them.
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Post by Snookeroo on Jun 22, 2011 9:03:49 GMT -5
Some of the street shots are important, and they tell a story. I just would like to see it edited from a real fans perspective. I like how they did, "I've Got A Feeling". You hear the intro and the first verse from the street as they interview a clean old man (who is pro Beatles), but they cut to the band at a good point in the song. It seems to work well. The old lady they cut in is priceless. It always seems to me that the clean old man bashes them first, then praises them. That's funny. It took me quite a few viewings of the movie to figure out half of what the guy is saying. I think it's all complementary though. I think he says that they (The Beatles) are "stars of their own", and they got "good qualities", and are "good people". Maybe some of our UK posters can translate more.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 22, 2011 11:05:19 GMT -5
There is a street scene where a blonde woman who looks amazingly like Cynthia Lennon is forlornly sitting on a bench and looks miserable.
I've always thought that couldn't be her, what stalking the Apple Office mad at her upcoming divorce. Does anyone remember the blonde I'm referring to. She is a dead-ringer for Cynthia and she doesn't look happy at all, an odd reaction for a young adult being on the street while The Beatles are making a historic rooftop performance.
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Post by Jason I on Jun 22, 2011 11:19:01 GMT -5
There is a street scene where a blonde woman who looks amazingly like Cynthia Lennon is forlornly sitting on a bench and looks miserable. I've always thought that couldn't be her, what stalking the Apple Office mad at her upcoming divorce. Does anyone remember the blonde I'm referring to. She is a dead-ringer for Cynthia and she doesn't look happy at all, an odd reaction for a young adult being on the street while The Beatles are making a historic rooftop performance. There's quite a few shots of a very hot looking blonde walking in front of the camera in a 60's mini skirt. That um, always gets my attention during the rooftop performance Is she one you're talking about?
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Post by mikev on Jun 22, 2011 12:32:59 GMT -5
It always seems to me that the clean old man bashes them first, then praises them. That's funny. It took me quite a few viewings of the movie to figure out half of what the guy is saying. I think it's all complementary though. I think he says that they (The Beatles) are "stars of their own", and they got "good qualities", and are "good people". Maybe some of our UK posters can translate more. I swear he is saying at first : "I think the Beatles are cracking"
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Post by vectisfabber on Jun 22, 2011 12:46:34 GMT -5
Yes, he is. Cracking = very good.
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Post by mikev on Jun 22, 2011 18:07:13 GMT -5
Yes, he is. Cracking = very good. There you go: in America it means "losing it". Almost as different as "pissed" which also means getting drunk in Canada, where I first heard the expression not mean get mad.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 22, 2011 22:45:45 GMT -5
There is a street scene where a blonde woman who looks amazingly like Cynthia Lennon is forlornly sitting on a bench and looks miserable. I've always thought that couldn't be her, what stalking the Apple Office mad at her upcoming divorce. Does anyone remember the blonde I'm referring to. She is a dead-ringer for Cynthia and she doesn't look happy at all, an odd reaction for a young adult being on the street while The Beatles are making a historic rooftop performance. There's quite a few shots of a very hot looking blonde walking in front of the camera in a 60's mini skirt. That um, always gets my attention during the rooftop performance Is she one you're talking about? Here's the video where the Cynthia Lennon lookalike appears at 6:13/6:14 into the video during "Don't Let Me Down. Hit "Pause" right at 6:14 and tell me that is not a sulking Cynthia Lennon left out and sitting on a bench on the street while Yoko is on the roof mere feet from John! ;D "Cynthia" is in the left on a bench with an equally serious woman to the right. Who was Cyn's good female friend back then, the one who chewed John out when Cyn couldn't? Dot maybe? I know this sounds crazy but freeze the video at 6:14 and tell me what you think. Is there a way to post that frame, at the 6:14 minute mark?
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Post by Snookeroo on Jun 22, 2011 23:01:04 GMT -5
JSD - I think the fact that you remember that particular woman instead of the fabulous pair of legs that precede her, is just plain scarey I think that lady has darker hair than Cyn.
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Post by wooltonian on Sept 20, 2011 6:46:39 GMT -5
Just been reading a review in the Sunday Times of a new book about Lennon by Tim Riley, entitled Lennon: the Man the Myth the Music - the Definitive Life. Supposedly, whereas Philip Norman's book was especially effective at telling the story of Lennon's life in Liverpool, Riley's strength lies in the picture he paints of Lennon's life 'once the Beatles had become multi millionaires' and charts the demise of his relationship with McCartney.
Anyway, the relevance of all this to the 'Let it be' film is that - for what it's worth - the book presents it as a foregone conclusion that the film will not see the light of day. 'It seems that Paul and Ringo - and for that matter Yoko - prefer a more comfortable version of history.'
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Post by mikev on Sept 20, 2011 7:15:49 GMT -5
Just been reading a review in the Sunday Times of a new book about Lennon by Tim Riley, entitled Lennon: the Man the Myth the Music - the Definitive Life. Supposedly, whereas Philip Norman's book was especially effective at telling the story of Lennon's life in Liverpool, Riley's strength lies in the picture he paints of Lennon's life 'once the Beatles had become multi millionaires' and charts the demise of his relationship with McCartney. Anyway, the relevance of all this to the 'Let it be' film is that - for what it's worth - the book presents it as a foregone conclusion that the film will not see the light of day. 'It seems that Paul and Ringo - and for that matter Yoko - prefer a more comfortable version of history.' That is really terrible, because it already exists. But if this is the case, at least they should release dvd video/audio of the songs as they were performed live. I can't believe they will leave all of that material on the shelves.
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Post by andyb on Sept 20, 2011 11:02:28 GMT -5
It does defy logic when the film is available all over the internet .
Do they think by not releasing it will be taken as read that it didn't happen!
At the very least they can re-edit it to tell a better story.
Some of the people involved said they did a lot of laughing as well.
It probably only felt miserable because they had to get out of bed earlier than their body clocks were used to.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 20, 2011 15:24:07 GMT -5
"It seems that Paul and Ringo - and for that matter Yoko - prefer a more comfortable version of history."
I am surprised that Paul was mentioned in this. It has been speculated that George's camp was the hold-out on LIB.
Let It Be exists, it is a historical fact and is available in some rather shoddy forms. It might as well be released in best possible condition and as a bonus disc, show more of the fun footage that exists.
LIB does not make The Beatles look bad in my opinion. As rough as that original film was edited, it does show the band coming together with the last half hour or so being awesome.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 20, 2011 18:14:09 GMT -5
It has been speculated that George's camp was the hold-out on LIB.
LIB does not make The Beatles look bad in my opinion. As rough as that original film was edited, it does show the band coming together with the last half hour or so being awesome. To the average viewer or even the average fan, George comes off pretty good in the film. In the spot where he and Paul have the row, it's sounds like Paul is being agressive and then defensive, over explaining why he is bossing George around. George just looks at him and says he'll play anything or nothing, whatever to please Paul. It's only the deeper fan who knows that George is really being a little passive/ aggressive and a little pissy. This is because we know a little of the backstory and what conversations were had off camera. You would think, Dhani, being a Beatle fan, would want Let it Be to come out. But then again, he is a deeper fan and knows the backstory. I agree with your last statement completely. This shows that the Beatles could still play their instruments and that they could rock out.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 20, 2011 22:09:49 GMT -5
I would like to see the complete Rooftop Concert released as a DVD with the sound remixed a la the DVD Anthologies. This is probably the most commercially viable product from the original LIB movie. The rest of the film does not contain material that would be of sufficient interest to the general public of 2011 to generate the sales that Sony/Apple would feel justifies remaking it. Add to that the surviving Beatles and the widows have no real interest in releasing the film in its original format. The only people who would buy the complete original film would be hard core fans and we just don't have the numbers anymore after 40+ years to ring up sufficient profits for Apple.
But I do expect to see The Rooftop Concert to be released at some point, maybe on its Golden Anniversary in 2019 as one of the last Beatles products to come on the market.
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Post by mikev on Sept 21, 2011 12:41:29 GMT -5
I would like to see the complete Rooftop Concert released as a DVD with the sound remixed a la the DVD Anthologies. This is probably the most commercially viable product from the original LIB movie. The rest of the film does not contain material that would be of sufficient interest to the general public of 2011 to generate the sales that Sony/Apple would feel justifies remaking it. Add to that the surviving Beatles and the widows have no real interest in releasing the film in its original format. The only people who would buy the complete original film would be hard core fans and we just don't have the numbers anymore after 40+ years to ring up sufficient profits for Apple. But I do expect to see The Rooftop Concert to be released at some point, maybe on its Golden Anniversary in 2019 as one of the last Beatles products to come on the market. While I agree that the rooftop concert is must see, you can't leave out the performances of the next day, including Let it Be, Long and Winding Road and Two of Us. In addition, at least show the performances of For You Blue and Dig it and alternate takes of the rooftop songs performed in Apple. I would also show the filmed versions of the two Abbey Road songs that were tracked, Oh Darling and She Came in Through the Bedroom Window. This is all great stuff- to see it performed as well- can't see any thing negative there.
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