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Post by RockoRoll on May 23, 2011 8:30:00 GMT -5
I can't believe it, *Little Lamb Dragonfly*...the song I thought was going to win this Survivor, has been voted off, Geeeeez. Never saw that coming........... If you get on the net, and do a search for music reviewers for RRS, 99% of them have voted LLD as the best song on the album. Here is an example of one of them.... Paul evidently perceived that the most hip thing there was to do was to reinvent himself as a... prog rocker! Yeah, I'm not afraid of that word, dammit - prog rock is certainly one of his main inspirations on this album. Sure, neither Paul nor his Flippers... er, sorry, Wings had the necessary musicianship strength to pull off a genuine prog rock album, and, of course, Paul never intended to make a prog rock album in the straightforward sense of the word. But what the hell - can't you hear prog rock influences in such bizarre tracks as the instrumental 'Loup (1st Indian On The Moon)' with its howling rhythm and creepy keyboard and bass breaks? Or in the brilliant, totally idiosyncratic and unforgettable acoustic suite 'Little Lamb Dragonfly'? There's some serious overcomplication for you, like "progressive ideas seen from the point of view of a veteran popster". Which is, of course, the best way to do progressive. Mind you, I'm not saying that this album is progressive - I just see some influences, that's all. Not to mention that one of Paul's favourite bands at the time was Jethro Tull... ;D
Anyway, don't go mistaking 'Little Lamb Dragonfly' for pure sweet pop - go and listen to the lyrics and tell me if they are pure pop or not. As is obvious, this is my favourite track on the whole album and rightly so; a breathtaking, proverbially beautiful acoustic suite that holds up pretty well against anything on Abbey Road. Hell, when these tear-inducing, stately la-la-las strike in on the border between the two main sections, I have no problem in seeing the good old Beatles majesty right before my eyes and ears. It's here, goddammit, it's here and now..... We are now down to the final two, who will be our *Grand Finale* winner........ ;D Big Barn Bed
(Live in Newcastle '73)
OrMy Love
(Live in Newcastle '73)
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 8:35:35 GMT -5
Big Barn Red
This is the song i'm voting off..I think My Love should win..
My Love is a much better song.....thats why it's been a staple in Paul's live shows for an eon
has Paul ever played BBR live...it'd make a good toilet break song...
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Post by RockoRoll on May 23, 2011 8:41:46 GMT -5
has Paul ever played BBR live...it'd make a good toilet break song... Click on the Youtube link above Fabfour, it's a beauty..... Hey fab, did you choose the wrong song on the poll. Your suppose to select your least fav, or who should come in 2nd place....? (I think you selected *My Love*.... ...)
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Post by RockoRoll on May 23, 2011 8:44:07 GMT -5
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Post by coachbk on May 23, 2011 8:48:38 GMT -5
I'm voting off "Big Barn Bed" as I have for the last 3 rounds. "Little Lamb Dragonfly" should have won, but "My Love" is a worthy 2nd choice!
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Post by wooltonian on May 23, 2011 8:49:03 GMT -5
Big barn bed to win. Let's deal with 'My love' first. It's a potentially great Macca song let down by an over-rich, sugary production and a dreary, overblown arrangement. If 'My love' was a dessert it would be a bowl of syrup served on a bed of treacle, topped with a thick layer of icing sugar, with an enormous chocolate flake sticking out of the top. 'Big barn bed' is a stong album opener, it rocks, it's quirky, slightly unusual and doesn't take itself too seriously. It nimbly skips past the turgid 'My love' and congas into first place!
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Post by wooltonian on May 23, 2011 10:07:45 GMT -5
Paul evidently perceived that the most hip thing there was to do was to reinvent himself as a... prog rocker! Can't you hear prog rock influences in such bizarre tracks as the instrumental 'Loup (1st Indian On The Moon)' with its howling rhythm and creepy keyboard and bass breaks? Or in the brilliant, totally idiosyncratic and unforgettable acoustic suite 'Little Lamb Dragonfly'? This is an interesting point and I think 'Loup' and 'Dragonfly', both being products of 1972/73, have definite progressive rock overtones. The problem is that really good prog rock is musically dynamic, boldly challenging and interestingly arranged. Although prog rock songs are often relatively long they are constantly shifting and evolving and demand the listener's attention. Both the RRS tracks are languid, laboured affairs and although LLD has a pleasant tune, as I listen to it I find myself mentally disengaging and thinking about my tax returns or else putting together a shopping list for tomorrow's trip to Tesco. In truth, LLD should have been paired down to three minutes and the production should have been stripped right back in order to allow the song to shine.
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Post by vectisfabber on May 23, 2011 11:16:17 GMT -5
LLD should have won. In its absence I am quite happy for BBB to win as opposed to the pukeworthy My Love.
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Post by John S. Damm on May 23, 2011 11:16:42 GMT -5
My Love
I love it but it has always been the anti-The JSD Postulate because it is so polished, so sentimental. Still a great track though.
"Big Barn Bed" is a fine Winner as it rocks, talks about creeping on people and conjures up in my mind a roll in the hay with Elle May!
Great Survivor Rocko! I feel more love for RRS from our friends here than I ever have before. RRS is a great Summer album so the timing is right!
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Post by JCV on May 23, 2011 11:45:06 GMT -5
Big Barn BedJCV
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Post by theman on May 23, 2011 12:02:27 GMT -5
I was one of those expecting/hoping for a LLD victory. But I would be happy to see Big Barn Bed win.
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Post by wooltonian on May 23, 2011 12:30:43 GMT -5
This is exciting! I am literally perched on the edge of my seat watching the results coming in and willing my horse, 'Big barn bed', over the line! C'mon BBB! I reckon the favourite, that old stager 'My love', doesn't fancy the trip and is carrying just a little too much weight!
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Post by Jason I on May 23, 2011 14:04:22 GMT -5
My Love
I actually think it's a killer song. But the production is far too dated now. It always sounds very nice when he plays it live (struggling vocals et al). I'd like this song to be remixed a-la Love or, in a 'Red Rose Speedway Naked' type fashion. Tone the lushness down a bit. Just have the keys and Paul, with gentle bass and soft drums with Henrys lead playing.
Would be a lot nicer.
Big Barn Bed is dopey, fun and has very Ram-like charm. Obviously it first appeared on Ram in a ukele version at the end of Ram-on.
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Post by acebackwords on May 23, 2011 16:01:35 GMT -5
In truth, LLD should have been paired down to three minutes and the production should have been stripped right back in order to allow the song to shine. I always loved LLD but there's one part of the orchestration I always found a little jarring. About two thirds into the song he comes in there with 4 or 5 notes of this high-pitched flute or something that never seemed to fit with the overall mood of the song. But it could be one of those things with those old analog songs where it blended in with the original mix but became jarring when it was mixed for digital. George used to complain about Beatles songs he'd listened to a hundred times but then when he listened to the CD mix there was an annoying tambourine sound that he never heard in the original. And I would have preferred it if he had just called the song "Dragonfly." The "Little Lamb" part always seemed a bit sappy. But maybe that was a back-handed slap at his critics who had ravaged him over the "Mary Had a Little Lamb" song.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 16:22:07 GMT -5
has Paul ever played BBR live...it'd make a good toilet break song... Click on the Youtube link above Fabfour, it's a beauty..... Hey fab, did you choose the wrong song on the poll. Your suppose to select your least fav, or who should come in 2nd place....? (I think you selected *My Love*.... ...) Rocko......i wrote my sermon but forgot to vote..I've definitely voted off BBR ;D
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Post by RockoRoll on May 23, 2011 16:35:03 GMT -5
In truth, LLD should have been paired down to three minutes and the production should have been stripped right back in order to allow the song to shine. And I would have preferred it if he had just called the song "Dragonfly." The "Little Lamb" part always seemed a bit sappy. But maybe that was a back-handed slap at his critics who had ravaged him over the "Mary Had a Little Lamb" song. As far as I know (read previously somewhere?) the song itself was written when Paul and Linda failed to save little lamb on the farm (it was born too weak) from it's death......
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Post by RockoRoll on May 23, 2011 16:36:36 GMT -5
Click on the Youtube link above Fabfour, it's a beauty..... Hey fab, did you choose the wrong song on the poll. Your suppose to select your least fav, or who should come in 2nd place....? (I think you selected *My Love*.... ...) Rocko......i wrote my sermon but forgot to vote..I've definitely voted off BBR ;D Thx buddy.....
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Post by vectisfabber on May 23, 2011 16:53:52 GMT -5
As far as I know (read previously somewhere?) the song itself was written when Paul and Linda failed to save little lamb on the farm (it was born too weak) from it's death...... I heard it ate a dragonfly and choked to death.
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Post by RockoRoll on May 23, 2011 17:18:47 GMT -5
As far as I know (read previously somewhere?) the song itself was written when Paul and Linda failed to save little lamb on the farm (it was born too weak) from it's death...... I heard it ate a dragonfly and choked to death. ;D (Thx, Vectis I've just left for work, and laughing my head off, good one.. ...)
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Post by ursamajor on May 23, 2011 17:20:17 GMT -5
Big Barn Bed
My Love is a great song and should win, also I have always found the RRS version really kicks, the bass is amazing compared to Wings Greatest, All the Best and Wingspan versions. The solo by Henry Mac fits the song perfectly, ala Mr George Harrison. Also JSD, My Love is very JSD Postulate, a song about Linda's sexual prowess coming straight after Big Barn Bed surely must rank highly in the JSD Postulate rankings.
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Post by John S. Damm on May 23, 2011 19:38:18 GMT -5
Big Barn Bed My Love is a great song and should win, also I have always found the RRS version really kicks, the bass is amazing compared to Wings Greatest, All the Best and Wingspan versions. The solo by Henry Mac fits the song perfectly, ala Mr George Harrison. Also JSD, My Love is very JSD Postulate, a song about Linda's sexual prowess coming straight after Big Barn Bed surely must rank highly in the JSD Postulate rankings. Great point, now all of RRS is Postulate-worthy! Thanks Ursa, you just earned a footnote mention in the soon-to-be published The JSD Postulate!
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Post by ursamajor on May 23, 2011 20:27:11 GMT -5
Big Barn Bed My Love is a great song and should win, also I have always found the RRS version really kicks, the bass is amazing compared to Wings Greatest, All the Best and Wingspan versions. The solo by Henry Mac fits the song perfectly, ala Mr George Harrison. Also JSD, My Love is very JSD Postulate, a song about Linda's sexual prowess coming straight after Big Barn Bed surely must rank highly in the JSD Postulate rankings. Great point, now all of RRS is Postulate-worthy! Thanks Ursa, you just earned a footnote mention in the soon-to-be published The JSD Postulate! Thanks champ, would that be a single or double asterisk footnote ?
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Post by joeyself on May 24, 2011 20:17:42 GMT -5
I voted off "My Love," because those minutes when the guitar solo isn't playing is cringeworthy. Of course, "Big Barn Bed" has the unwelcome quality, too, but it rocks OK.
All in all, though, this whole album could be voted out in the first round...
JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on May 24, 2011 20:30:01 GMT -5
We can't have a tie! We need closure.
Mr. Self is being rather negative towards RRS. I think all Joey needs is to be in the middle of the woods in a cozy cabin hundreds of miles away from anyone and just have RRS on his i-pod.
I have come away from this amazing Survivor with a much greater appreciation of RRS. I think it would be a hit album today if only there was a viable reason to re-introduce it to the younger crowd.
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Post by joeyself on May 24, 2011 22:01:49 GMT -5
Mr. Self is being rather negative towards RRS. I think all Joey needs is to be in the middle of the woods in a cozy cabin hundreds of miles away from anyone and just have RRS on his i-pod. Wrong on two counts. First, I'm not RATHER negative on RRS, I'm TOTALLY negative on it. Second, the 8th Amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, and while you're not suggesting state action, it would take the power of the military to make me turn on that I-Pod! JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on May 24, 2011 22:39:41 GMT -5
Mr. Self is being rather negative towards RRS. I think all Joey needs is to be in the middle of the woods in a cozy cabin hundreds of miles away from anyone and just have RRS on his i-pod. Wrong on two counts. First, I'm not RATHER negative on RRS, I'm TOTALLY negative on it. Second, the 8th Amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, and while you're not suggesting state action, it would take the power of the military to make me turn on that I-Pod! JcS ;D
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Post by vectisfabber on May 25, 2011 4:02:38 GMT -5
Hmm, funky, quirky rocker, or - excuse me, I must just rush to the toilet and vomit.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 6:28:42 GMT -5
Hmm, funky, quirky rocker, or - excuse me, I must just rush to the toilet and vomit. Well don't call My Love to clean it up when you miss your target... ;D
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Post by nine on May 25, 2011 7:59:27 GMT -5
We can't have a tie! We need closure. Mr. Self is being rather negative towards RRS. I think all Joey needs is to be in the middle of the woods in a cozy cabin hundreds of miles away from anyone and just have RRS on his i-pod. I have come away from this amazing Survivor with a much greater appreciation of RRS. I think it would be a hit album today if only there was a viable reason to re-introduce it to the younger crowd. RRS is all good bar the medley... it does have have its moments but it's too lazy (dynamite).
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Post by John S. Damm on May 25, 2011 9:28:12 GMT -5
Hmm, funky, quirky rocker, or - excuse me, I must just rush to the toilet and vomit. Hey vectis, at least you and I share an appreciation of "Big Barn Bed" and your description of it is the same general description I give for Paul's first four solo albums hence The JSD Postulate. Maybe we aren't so far apart! I am very surprised at your dislike of "My Love." I thought that would be one of your favorite solo Paul songs, being lush and all.
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