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Post by joeyself on Dec 30, 2010 21:44:58 GMT -5
RED ROSE SPEEDWAY, Side 1 vs. GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2
RED ROSE SPEEDWAY, Side 1
1."Big Barn Bed" – 3:48
2."My Love" – 4:07
3."Get on the Right Thing" – 4:17
4."One More Kiss" – 2:28
5."Little Lamb Dragonfly" – 6:20
GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2
1."Faster" – 4:46
2."Dark Sweet Lady" – 3:22
3."Your Love Is Forever" – 3:45
4."Soft Touch" – 3:59
5."If You Believe" (Harrison/Gary Wright) – 2:55
RRS 1 got here by taking out another Harrison side, LITMW 2, by a 11-8 margin. GH 2 returned the favor by beating MC2 2 by a 13-4 count.
JcS
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Post by coachbk on Dec 31, 2010 0:26:08 GMT -5
This is a close one. Both sides open and close well. I like "Faster" more than "Big Barn Bed", but I'd take "Little Lamb Dragonfly" over "If You Believe". "My Love" was a big hit, but I think "Your Love Is Forever" is just as good. So that leaves a battle of the other four sides. "One Last Kiss" is my favorite of the bunch just ahead of "Soft Touch". On the other hand I think "Dark Sweet Lady" is better than "Get On The Right Thing".
I'm going to vote for GH because it is the album I've been more apt to choose to listen to through the years.
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Post by ursamajor on Dec 31, 2010 0:37:18 GMT -5
GH S-2
It's a nice summer album, great feel, relaxed and laid back, all the songs work for me.
RRS S-1
Not that bad actually but I think Get On the Right Thing is too forced , it has a great song in it that Paul never fully realised, the backing vocals don't work for me. One More Kiss is ok, Little Lamb Dragonfly is ok, Big Barn Bed is good although about nothing and My Love is much maligned for being too sugary but I think it's brilliant.
Tough call but I'll give this one to our sweet friend, George.
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Post by scousette on Dec 31, 2010 4:27:57 GMT -5
GH 2
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 31, 2010 6:33:43 GMT -5
GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2.
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Post by RockoRoll on Dec 31, 2010 10:00:04 GMT -5
RED ROSE SPEEDWAY, Side 1Best song on the album *Little Lamb Dragonfly*, with his big No.1 hit *My Love*. A great rockin opener with *Big Barn Bed*, and the delicate country ballad *One More Kiss* is punctured by little melancholy guitar licks..... 
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Post by mikev on Dec 31, 2010 15:45:52 GMT -5
RED ROSE SPEEDWAY, Side 1
1."Big Barn Bed" – 9
2."My Love" –10
3."Get on the Right Thing" – 8.5
4."One More Kiss" – 6.5
5."Little Lamb Dragonfly" – 9
GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2
1."Faster" – 9
2."Dark Sweet Lady" – 8.5
3."Your Love Is Forever" – 8.5
4."Soft Touch" – 9
5."If You Believe" (Harrison/Gary Wright) – 10
One More Kiss downs the Macster in this otherwise dead heat.
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Post by coachbk on Dec 31, 2010 17:35:30 GMT -5
I only see one comment supporting RRS 1 as the better side, yet it has 6 votes. I'd love to hear some more comments as to why people voted this way.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Dec 31, 2010 18:23:11 GMT -5
How easy is this? Side 1 of RRS is Side 1 of one of McCartney's most preposterous efforts. If My Love is a classic (as some people here claim from time to time), then you should listen to my singing in the shower. Even the neighbors have commented.  Side 2 of GH has some very well-crafted, well-played, well-sung songs. Tracks 1, 2, 3 stand out. McCabe |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Dec 31, 2010 18:28:40 GMT -5
I only see one comment supporting RRS 1 as the better side, yet it has 6 votes. I'd love to hear some more comments as to why people voted this way. I TOTALLY agree with this. No one could give a tinker's cuss about who wins. It is the discussion that's supposed to grip us, to entertain us. To vote, and not say anything, is to miss the point. (BTW, here on this thread Joe Karlosi made no comment: for him, that in itself is a comment, I presume. He usually discusses points early and often!) McCabe |
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 31, 2010 19:58:50 GMT -5
I went RRS. GH has never done much for me. And, while I think My Love is vastly overrated, and Get On The Right Thing is bordering on awful with some of Linda's worst ever vocals, the other three are three of the best ever in Paul's solo catalogue.
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Post by joeyself on Dec 31, 2010 20:13:01 GMT -5
I can't vote yet, because it is so close. Me, I don't have any problem picking a side this time--it's rather easy, in fact--but I'll hold off so as not to create a tie.
JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 1, 2011 1:13:28 GMT -5
RED ROSE SPEEDWAY, Side 1 1."Big Barn Bed": Great, unconventional rocker; can't help but think of a roll in the hay with Elle May when I hear this one. This is when Paul was all about dope and sex. A good period for him. 2."My Love": Heartfelt thus touching. 3."Get on the Right Thing": Another good rocker that goes to the beat of a different drum. 4."One More Kiss": Better than anything coming out of Nashville in 1973. 5."Little Lamb Dragonfly": Magnificent, poignant and beautiful. Paul rarely tops this song. GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2 1."Faster": Twee lyrics, I mean come on, "Pulled out some poor machinery, So he worked 'til the pieces fit." What Formula One driver is in his home garage building his own car with spare parts?  2."Dark Sweet Lady": Good song and for once about a woman and not god. 3."Your Love Is Forever": Best song on either album Side but I think this song is about god and not a hot babe. 4."Soft Touch": Nice enough, makes me think of a car-wash. 5."If You Believe": Kind of soft but what can we expect, Gary Wright helped write it. As much as I like GH-2, RRS-1 is a superb Side that is a ton more fun and in one spot more poignant. My vote is for RRS-1! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2011 1:00:43 GMT -5
GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2
Not a bad album from George, i like all these songs.....
apart from My Love this effort from Paul was quite average
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 2, 2011 7:23:58 GMT -5
How can you accuse FASTER of having "twee lyrics" while championing the sap on RED ROSE SPEEDWAY?  |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 2, 2011 8:00:19 GMT -5
To vote, and not say anything, is to miss the point. (BTW, here on this thread Joe Karlosi made no comment: for him, that in itself is a comment, I presume. He usually discusses points early and often!) I guess it was because I've slammed RED ROSE SPEEDWAY so much of the time around this board already, it goes without saying. But here goes: I don't really like RRS, but I recently gave it another try and it improved ever so slightly. I do think that SIDE 1 is better than side 2. I love MY LOVE and I do think it's a classic with a sensational solo, a Paul song that I dare say would have been embraced completely by all its naysayers had it snuck in there on The White Album, or somewhere, as a Beatles Track. I also really dig BIG BARN BED -- it's complete and utter nonsense but I really love it. It really is rousing. I've gotten to a point where I actually can tolerate the other songs on Side 1 a little... except that I am bored to tears by the overrated LITTLE LAMB DRAGONFLY (snoorrree). GEORGE HARRISON is a beautiful album. Just gorgeous, with lovely songs and warming melodies. I like each and every song off this one. I can't really elaborate more on it, except to say that GH was one of the very first brand-new solo LPs by any of the ex-Fabs that I bought on its initial release, and it does also bring back very soothing feelings from that era. |
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Post by joeyself on Jan 2, 2011 9:57:53 GMT -5
I love MY LOVE and I do think it's a classic with a sensational solo, a Paul song that I dare say would have been embraced completely by all its naysayers had it snuck in there on The White Album, or somewhere, as a Beatles Track. I'm thinking had Paul brought "My Love" to a Beatles session anytime after 1963, he would have been laughed out of the studio. Knowing that, he would have never suggested it for the band, but may have recorded a demo of it for someone else to record. This record--all of RRS, actually--is a great example of what Paul lost when he no longer had to filter his songs through Lennon, Martin and to a lesser extent, Harrison. It IS a great guitar solo, though! JcS |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 2, 2011 11:58:55 GMT -5
I'm thinking had Paul brought "My Love" to a Beatles session anytime after 1963, he would have been laughed out of the studio. Knowing that, he would have never suggested it for the band, but may have recorded a demo of it for someone else to record. How about Paul fluff like HONEY PIE, ALL TOGETHER NOW, YOUR MOTHER SHOULD KNOW, or others? I mean, I think HONEY PIE all by itself is proof enough to make my point, but if I went through the songs listings I'm positive I could find others. It's an experiment I obviously cannot prove, but it's remarkable how many songs Beatles fans let slip through with a free pass, while had they been solo songs, not so much. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 2, 2011 12:28:33 GMT -5
How can you accuse FASTER of having "twee lyrics" while championing the sap on RED ROSE SPEEDWAY? Here's how: part of Paul's early charm was his almost sappy lyrics. I'd prefer free-spirited lyrics. George, however, was never known for sappy lyrics so when he writes them, it is disquieting, a vote changer. I've cited the quaintest lyrics from "Faster" about building a Formula One race car from scrap pieces but what about the whole "master of going faster?" Lazy, lazy, lazy. And the car noises are more Paul than George. Having said that, I like "Faster" enough but I had to make a difficult vote between two Sides I really like so every-thing's on the table. I have always argued the RRS-1 is one of the strongest solo Beatles' Sides out there so it should be no surprise that I voted for it. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 2, 2011 12:47:53 GMT -5
I'm thinking had Paul brought "My Love" to a Beatles session anytime after 1963, he would have been laughed out of the studio. Knowing that, he would have never suggested it for the band, but may have recorded a demo of it for someone else to record. How about Paul fluff like HONEY PIE, ALL TOGETHER NOW, YOUR MOTHER SHOULD KNOW, or others? I mean, I think HONEY PIE all by itself is proof enough to make my point, but if I went through the songs listings I'm positive I could find others. It's an experiment I obviously cannot prove, but it's remarkable how many songs Beatles fans let slip through with a free pass, while had they been solo songs, not so much. I think The Beatles would have recorded "My Love" if available. The lyrics don't seem any less sappy than John's wonderful "Don't Let Me Down," for instance. Both songs discuss the absolute strength the songwriter gets from his respective woman. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 2, 2011 13:33:35 GMT -5
I've cited the quaintest lyrics from "Faster" about building a Formula One race car from scrap pieces but what about the whole "master of going faster?" Lazy, lazy, lazy. And the car noises are more Paul than George. Someone else recently mentioned the "master of going faster" line, and I still have no problem with it. What else rhymes with "faster"?  I think the song is really different from the typical stuff George tended to write, and I do like FASTER quite a bit. The car noises too are very different for George to try. Well, I like it, anyway. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 2, 2011 13:36:11 GMT -5
I think The Beatles would have recorded "My Love" if available. I wouldn't doubt it for a second. All the "oohs" and "whoa whoa whoa"'s are typical Beatles. |
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Post by winstonoboogie on Jan 2, 2011 14:15:06 GMT -5
I've cited the quaintest lyrics from "Faster" about building a Formula One race car from scrap pieces but what about the whole "master of going faster?" Lazy, lazy, lazy. And the car noises are more Paul than George. Someone else recently mentioned the "master of going faster" line, and I still have no problem with it. What else rhymes with "faster"? Well, "disaster" for one. ;D But that wouldn't fit with the song!  But I think the Beatles would have recorded "My Love". It's certainly no worse than "Honey Pie", let alone "Wild Honey Pie"! And don't get me started on "Why Don't We Do It In the Road?"  (I know, apples and oranges, but still!) |
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Post by stavros on Jan 2, 2011 15:04:37 GMT -5
Close call. But I still like George's album side better "Your Love is Forever" is much better than "My Love" and one of George's finest."Faster" is a better opener than "Big Barn Bed". Let's not get hooked up about a corny line. Go on give both album sides another listen. Come on surely you have 40 minutes you can free up. And you may hear why George slightly wins it for me. Or decide why he doesn't.  |
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Post by coachbk on Jan 2, 2011 15:54:46 GMT -5
Close call. But I still like George's album side better "Your Love is Forever" is much better than "My Love" and one of George's finest."Faster" is a better opener than "Big Barn Bed". Let's not get hooked up about a corny line. And I dare say the "Master of going faster" line is still better than most of the lyrics to "Big Barn Bed" ("...leaping armadillo, yes") What the heck is up with that one??? |
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Post by vectisfabber on Jan 3, 2011 6:21:03 GMT -5
All Together Now is a decent kids' singalong. Honey Pie is a clever pastiche. Your Mother Should Know is an atmospheric adult singalong. I love all three and they don't need a free pass.
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Post by RockoRoll on Jan 3, 2011 6:30:10 GMT -5
All Together Now is a decent kids' singalong. Honey Pie is a clever pastiche. Your Mother Should Know is an atmospheric adult singalong. I love all three and they don't need a free pass. Perfect........What Vectis said...
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 3, 2011 12:21:27 GMT -5
Close call. But I still like George's album side better "Your Love is Forever" is much better than "My Love" and one of George's finest."Faster" is a better opener than "Big Barn Bed". Let's not get hooked up about a corny line. And I dare say the "Master of going faster" line is still better than most of the lyrics to "Big Barn Bed" ("...leaping armadillo, yes") What the heck is up with that one??? I loved stavros' post even though I am a RRS-1 advocate and coachbk asks a good question. "Leaping armadillo?" It was the early 1970's, man! The wine and doobies ran free! Now Paul had no excuse by the dark, disco-laden late 1970's for the lyrics, "My Salamander." But "leaping armadillo" in 1972/73?  |
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Post by JCV on Jan 3, 2011 12:48:53 GMT -5
GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2JCV
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Post by joeyself on Jan 3, 2011 14:19:00 GMT -5
All Together Now is a decent kids' singalong. Honey Pie is a clever pastiche. Your Mother Should Know is an atmospheric adult singalong. I love all three and they don't need a free pass. I saw JoeK's note to me and then forgot to come back to it. I can see how these three got by the "Beatles filter" I spoke of. "All Together Now" was needed for the step-child project of the film soundtrack of YELLOW SUBMARINE. In the context of the outro, it worked fine. Lennon had "Across The Universe" that could have been donated to the project, but if that's what Paul wanted to contribute to something none of them cared about, then why not? In the same vein, "Your Mother Should Know" worked OK in the context of the disaster of the film MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR. It did show some laziness in the lyrics, though, albeit not as much as "My Love" does. "Honey Pie," on the other hand, is passable on the lyrics stage; it's no "For No One," but it shows some thought. I think the main knock on "Honey Pie" is the 1920's arrangement. I can see how George Martin would have given this the "thumbs' up" for what was being attempted. If The White Album had been pared to a single disc, I can see where this one would have been left out of the lineup. JcS |
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I think the song is really different from the typical stuff George tended to write, and I do like FASTER quite a bit. The car noises too are very different for George to try. 
(I know, apples and oranges, but still!)
