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Post by joeyself on Oct 28, 2010 21:37:45 GMT -5
RINGO, Side 1 vs. DARK HORSE, Side 1
1."I'm the Greatest" (John Lennon) – 3:21
2."Have You Seen My Baby" (Randy Newman) – 3:44
3."Photograph" (Harrison/Starkey) – 3:56
4."Sunshine Life For Me (Sail Away Raymond)" (Harrison) – 2:45
5."You're Sixteen" (Bob Sherman/Dick Sherman) – 2:48
DARK HORSE, Side 1
1."Hari's On Tour (Express)" – 4:43
2."Simply Shady" – 4:38
3."So Sad" – 5:00
4."Bye Bye, Love" (Felice Bryant, Boudleaux Bryant, George Harrison) – 4:08
5."Mâya Love" – 4:24
George Harrison appears on 8 of these 10 tracks...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 28, 2010 22:48:03 GMT -5
YAY!! Ringo wins one!!
RINGO Side 1 is a great side - I enjoy every song here.
DARK HORSE Side 1 -- (AHEM!!).... I love "Simply Shady", and can maybe get something out of "So Sad". But that isn't enough.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 28, 2010 23:05:25 GMT -5
RINGO, Side 1This is really a great Side of music by Ringo(Side 2 isn't nearly as good). I recently "discovered" DH because of the Thread Nine's Spotlight on... the Dark Horse album...abbeyrd.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2044I can really get into DH-1 when drunk and depressed. Since I am in that state quite often, maybe I should have voted for DH-1. Still, RINGO-1 is excellent. Thank goodness Ringo-1 wasn't going against Time Takes Time -1 as I wouldn't know what to do but cry. 
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Oct 28, 2010 23:33:48 GMT -5
Ringo just for the song Photograph which is a classic.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 28, 2010 23:44:13 GMT -5
An interesting match-up for me. I am a natural-born Hari fan, and I like DARK HORSE quite a bit. And RINGO is stellar - isn't it?
DARK HORSE Side 1
Except for Express, that pointless and context-lacking instrumental, the rest of side 1 is pretty good -- though not immediately accessible to everyone. Simply Shady is a song about the consequences of every action, and hitting the bottle hard, and losing your woman ... not light listening. And he follows this with So Sad, more tales of a lost lady. Groan. Yet I think these two songs are excellent: it's just that their themes are fairly heavy.
Can I say anything to defend Bye Bye Love? Well, yes - I think it's meant as a joke! Placed after Shady and So Sad, Hari is showing us that it's not so bad; he can smile. And he does that by re-working the old Everly Bros tear-jerker. The fact that he credits Patti and Eric (Old Clapper - nice one George!) on the record sleeve as being on this track (they're not) underlines the humor.
Maya Love has a great groove: it's superbly played. Yes, it's very seventies - but that's when it was made.
Do Listen to Dark Horse (Side 1 at least) again: and play LOUD. It's great.
RINGO Side 1
I have to say that this album has grown bland over the years. It's alright, I suppose but I don't play it so much these days. Photograph bores me. I couldn't believe Ringo said at the Concert for George, just before he sung Photgraph, that the song has a new meaning now. How facile was that? And You're Sixteen has nothing special about it that hasn't been done before, and better, by many others.
No, I'm being too hard on this simple and uncomplicated record. It has three good performances on side 1. But it's not as good as Dark Horse to my ears.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 28, 2010 23:46:26 GMT -5
Ringo just for the song Photograph which is a classic. And I just posted a couple of minutes ago that Photograph bores me. Hell, RTP. We are just SO different in tastes. And nothing wrong with that, is there? And we both like Electric Arguments, remember ... which is amazing.  McCabe |
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Oct 28, 2010 23:54:06 GMT -5
Ringo just for the song Photograph which is a classic. And I just posted a couple of minutes ago that Photograph bores me. Hell, RTP. We are just SO different in tastes. And nothing wrong with that, is there? And we both like Electric Arguments, remember ... which is amazing. McCabe It builds slowly but it pays off. I really like the production on this and yes, that sax solo is groovy. Groovy? Anyway, we have some overlapping tastes I'm sure--witness our interest in Electric Arguments. |
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Post by nine on Oct 29, 2010 6:28:03 GMT -5
RINGO, Side 1This is really a great Side of music by Ringo(Side 2 isn't nearly as good). I recently "discovered" DH because of the Thread Nine's Spotlight on... the Dark Horse album...abbeyrd.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2044I can really get into DH-1 when drunk and depressed. Since I am in that state quite often, maybe I should have voted for DH-1. Still, RINGO-1 is excellent. Thank goodness Ringo-1 wasn't going against Time Takes Time -1 as I wouldn't know what to do but cry. And John I'm sorry for not responding to the effort you made in listening and responding to my thread. I find the Hari's On Tour a bit of a bore. The idea however isn't so bad, an opening to concert, something Paul did better with Rock Show. I agree about alcohol improving Dark Horse. Simply Shady is cool and So Sad... He sounds like a down and out drunk.... Maya Love - I hated it as a kid but love it now. I also like It Is He and Far East Man. I rank this album higher than Texture and even - you'll not agree - Material World (which for whatever reason refuses to take a hold on me). I don't like Bye Bye Love at least not the execution. The joke etc is alright but it just sounds messy. Anyway to compare Ringo's with George's is a tough call for me. Unlike McCabe who can't get into Photograph I quite like that song and the very unlike Harrison song Sail Away Raymond is a treat. I'm not too big on I'm The Greatest apart from the fact that it's the only alternative Threetles song known to man. Paul could have given this song a spit and polish. Anyway to pick one I'd be thinking (am thinking) ... Simply Shady, So Sad versus Photograph and Sunshine Life For Me... Somebody here said they didn't like side 2 of Ringo... Paul's 6 o'Clock is good but it goes toooooo long... I love Devil Woman and You & Me Babe... Now which side to choose... |
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Post by mikev on Oct 29, 2010 7:22:32 GMT -5
Point system again- I do reserve the right to change my “points” in later rounds…
I’m the Greatest **** Overrated, no Beatle “magic” considering it has three Beatles and was penned by Lennon-no wonder it was not a single
Have You Seen My Baby *** Hellooo Newman!
Photograph***** very well produced single
Sunshine Life ***** this “Band” ish tune could have been a cool direction for the Beatles.
You’re Sixteen***** If it sucked-it would not have gone to No. 1.
22 for the Ringster.
Hari’s On Tour *** 3 stars for musicianship- but this one is a yawner
Simply Shady***
So Sad**** I like it
Bye Bye Love* just awful. He should have played it straight. How the record company let this out is beyond me.
Maya Love ***
14 no contest.
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Post by coachbk on Oct 29, 2010 8:46:40 GMT -5
I went for RINGO. "Photograph" is a great song. "You're 16" is fun and I love Paul on the kazoo. "I'm The Greatest" shows John could still write perfectly for Ringo. "Sunshine Life For Me" is a nice stylistic change. "Have You Seen My Baby" is the only forgettable track.
DARK HORSE I found somewhat boring and never got into. I will give some of these tracks another try, but I don't expect to be changing my vote.
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Post by joeyself on Oct 29, 2010 11:46:44 GMT -5
I don't know that there has been an easier call for me thus far, and maybe not in this whole tournament--Side 1 of RINGO is my favorite side of the solo careers. It took me awhile to warm up to "Sunshine Life For Me," but I adore it now.
As for DARK HORSE 1, it's mainly tedious listening. I tend to agree with JoeK that "Simply Shady" and "So Sad" are the cream of this crop, but even those two are not tracks I turn to for enjoyment; I find I listen to them whenever a discussion is going on about DH, and those two (with the title track on Side 2) are the ones that I don't wish were over as soon as they start. The lack of voice of Harrison is a drawback throughout this album, as is lackluster quality of the material overall.
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Post by JCV on Oct 29, 2010 11:52:25 GMT -5
DARK HORSE, Side 1I like the three hits on Ringo's, but I prefer George in this matchup. JCV 
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 29, 2010 12:15:53 GMT -5
Do Listen to Dark Horse (Side 1 at least) again: and play LOUD. It's great. The play loud is good advice which I forgot in my post above. For me to enjoy DH, I must be drunk, depressed and the album needs to be played loud! I am often drunk and depressed but the play loud is the toughie as the little lady's constant presence means I can't play my music loud.  |
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Post by mikev on Oct 29, 2010 12:45:21 GMT -5
Do Listen to Dark Horse (Side 1 at least) again: and play LOUD. It's great. The play loud is good advice which I forgot in my post above. For me to enjoy DH, I must be drunk, depressed and the album needs to be played loud! I am often drunk and depressed but the play loud is the toughie as the little lady's constant presence means I can't play my music loud. That is why God invented headphones |
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Post by stavros on Oct 29, 2010 14:27:26 GMT -5
This is a very tough call. My impression was that Ringo would win this one comfortably. The problem is that the two disc sides are almost totally polarised in their overall mood.  Ringo is an album that is generally positioning it's aural textures on the lighter side of life and tends to put you in a somewhat happier mood (although maybe the alcoholic beverage helped. Guinness has nothing on our local Cains Double Bock beer. Liverpool has much more than just LFC and the Beatles) Photograph is the only track with a different theme and perhaps is a reflection on it's writer's mood at the time. All the other tracks are good fun but don't leave me thinking this was an out and out classic. Having not given a listen for a few years I was a little underwhelmed with Ringo's perceived finest cut. Dark Horse 1 is very much an album side that explores that dark part of your psyche that can, if left unchecked, lead to you turning to the bottle. Which was quite handy actually so I opened another bottle of Bock  Hari's on Tour sounds like a 70s TV theme tune and leaves exactly that impression - Cheesy. Simply Shady - very heavy subject and I can't help thinking a rasping Lennon vocal would have made this a classic. George's voice and the production on this simply makes it a decent record. So Sad is much the same a flat delivery from George Bye Bye Love is excruciatingly bad. Only "Maya Love" does it good to me. Still undecided but a 3rd bottle of beer on a non-school night may need to opened. |
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Post by acebackwords on Oct 29, 2010 14:56:28 GMT -5
Probably Ringo's greatest side. The closest he's come to capturing the Beatles magic. But George, geez, when he's bad, he's really bad.
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Post by joeyself on Oct 29, 2010 15:17:22 GMT -5
Here's a thought: George worked on RINGO, so he must have known Richard Perry. When he was recording DARK HORSE, it might have made it a better record (for those of us that don't think much of it) had he enlisted Perry to help. Of course, the first thing Perry could have told him to do was record the backing tracks and save the singing until he actually could.
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Post by coachbk on Oct 29, 2010 15:55:08 GMT -5
Well I listened to all the DARK HORSE songs and I'm not changing my vote. "Bye Bye Love" is really bad. The rest are fine, but none as good as "Photograph" and RINGO has nothing as bad as "BBL" so I stand by my original vote.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 29, 2010 15:59:44 GMT -5
------------- save the singing until he actually could. George's voice doesn't bother me at all: in fact, I find it quite attractive. Further, serendipity provides us with a great aural pun when he sings the song Dark Horse. McCabe |
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Oct 29, 2010 16:01:49 GMT -5
Here's a thought: George worked on RINGO, so he must have known Richard Perry. When he was recording DARK HORSE, it might have made it a better record (for those of us that don't think much of it) had he enlisted Perry to help. Of course, the first thing Perry could have told him to do was record the backing tracks and save the singing until he actually could. JcS George had already committed to the tour and he wanted the album out to promote it. I agree he would have been better off waiting to do the vocals and even postpone the tour. |
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Post by joeyself on Oct 29, 2010 16:15:44 GMT -5
------------- save the singing until he actually could. George's voice doesn't bother me at all: in fact, I find it quite attractive. Further, serendipity provides us with a great aural pun when he sings the song Dark Horse. McCabe "Attractive" isn't the adjective I'd use, but it's in the ears of the beholder, I know. And yes, the hoarse voice was a bit of a novelty for the single; I bought it at the time, and it didn't bother me as much as it does now. Novelties tend to wear off... JcS |
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Oct 29, 2010 16:49:03 GMT -5
------------- save the singing until he actually could. George's voice doesn't bother me at all: in fact, I find it quite attractive. Further, serendipity provides us with a great aural pun when he sings the song Dark Horse. McCabe I agree. It gave his voice a rougher quality. I think Dark Horse was one of the last tracks he completed. The others show signs of it but Dark Horse benefits the most. Also Dark Horse is a damn good song. Its not on side 1 and side 1 suffers for it. I really like Simply Shady. Its about George getting drunk, having an affair and paying dearly for it when Patti apparently found out. It is one of the most overtly biographical songs he ever did. So Sad is good but not nearly as good as Simply Shady. The rest of the album is ho hum for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2010 17:52:40 GMT -5
RINGO, Side 1
Definitely Ringo's best solo effort on record...he never bettered it...
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 29, 2010 22:37:07 GMT -5
I like two songs on each :
I'm the Greatest and Photograph on Ringo
and Simply Shady and Maya Love on DH-1
I will vote for Ringo because it's probably the only time I will.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 30, 2010 10:36:57 GMT -5
Having played RINGO last night because of this Match(even though I already had voted), I tend to agree that "I'm The Greatest" is overrated musically(although not historically because of the three Beatles involved) but I think "Have You Seen My Baby" is fantastic, when the album starts to cook. Randy Newman is a clever songwriter and I thought that this song fit Ringo's voice nicely. I like the little whistle then the electric guitar kicks in.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Oct 30, 2010 11:02:31 GMT -5
This is one time where I'd have to vote Ringo over George. Great record.
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Post by joeyself on Oct 30, 2010 12:18:19 GMT -5
Having played RINGO last night because of this Match(even though I already had voted), I tend to agree that "I'm The Greatest" is overrated musically(although not historically because of the three Beatles involved) but I think "Have You Seen My Baby" is fantastic, when the album starts to cook. Randy Newman is a clever songwriter and I thought that this song fit Ringo's voice nicely. I like the little whistle then the electric guitar kicks in. Well, "I'm The Greatest" was missing the greatest bass player on the planet at the time--or at least one of them. I agree with "Have You Seen My Baby," but not sure I recall that whistle. One more reason to play it again! JcS |
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Oct 30, 2010 16:29:54 GMT -5
Went with Ringo. Two great hits and 3 more solid cuts, this sidde is rarely bettered in the Beatles solo catalogue. Just a charming side of music, what woth 3 Beatles and all.
I like Dark Horse 1, except Bye Bye Love, and So Sad is amazing. Simply Shady really good, Hari's no Tour pretty good. Not up to the competition this time around.
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