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Post by vectisfabber on Jun 9, 2013 15:20:41 GMT -5
I refer to pro bono work as NFF - "No effing fee."
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 10, 2013 9:26:52 GMT -5
I refer to pro bono work as NFF - "No effing fee." LOL, good point! But maybe for your help that dude will park John Lennon's restored qypsy wagon in your front yard for a week! That would be cool!
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Post by vectisfabber on Jun 10, 2013 10:42:11 GMT -5
Naah. The hedge would obscure it. And the little bastards in the social housing at the top of the road would vandalise it as they were rolling home pissed at 1am, having drunk away their benefits.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 11, 2013 12:48:10 GMT -5
I got through five minutes of the video and had to stop. While I am sure she is a nice lady and person to person that would be a fun discussion, the video comes across to me as some bizarre manifesto, kind of like the Unibomber's! Why does she feel the need to make a 22 minute long YouTube video, "to make it official that Paul McCartney is my favorite Beatle?" Again, perhaps a nice young woman(although she mentions "obsessed" at least twice in five minutes) but I didn't see the need for such a long video. She acts like she has a huge following or something. I am sure many will enjoy this. I am too impatient maybe.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 11, 2013 16:37:48 GMT -5
Okay, I listened further into the video and I think she is dead wrong about John's involvement and attitude with Sgt. Pepper so I stopped the video again. John was very involved with SPLHCB and brought some all-time classics to the table and worked very enthusiastically with Paul on the album. SPLHCB is a Lennon/McCartney triumph where both men are firing on all cylinders. She's talking about John being in a really dark place and not involved fully in it. Maybe the "Get Back" Sessions but not Pepper. And the beauty is John never let Pepper go to his head like someone else did! Oh well. She can express her opinions and so can we. I mention Unibomber only because her video seemed like a manifesto to me and that's what I think of with such. I said she is a nice woman although repeated admissions of being obsessed worried me......
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Post by mikev on Jun 11, 2013 19:55:54 GMT -5
Hey, JSD - this video is much shorter -- what do you think of this fan? OMG what a NUT JOB!!!!!
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 11, 2013 21:03:08 GMT -5
Hey, JSD - this video is much shorter -- what do you think of this fan? Nice guy, funny, informative. Is he in your vinyl group too? He asks a good question: Was Ringo really up there on top of the Capitol Tower? That would be scary.
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Post by mikev on Jun 11, 2013 21:47:02 GMT -5
OMG what a NUT JOB!!!!! Oh, I dunno .... he seems kinda cool to me. (Could stand to lose some pounds though) All kidding aside- are most of those reissues, like the Beatles vinyl remasters- basically digital back to analog?
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 12, 2013 7:21:43 GMT -5
mmmmm .... yes, I I guess you could say that! He's rather close to my heart .... Either your nephew or you have some major news for us, dude! Or is it you? I never know this stuff as I picture you like Instant Karma John Lennon, short, buzzed hair, granny specs, etc. In the video I thought Ringo was up there but I'd need to see it again.
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Post by mikev on Jun 12, 2013 9:16:19 GMT -5
All kidding aside- are most of those reissues, like the Beatles vinyl remasters- basically digital back to analog? I have no idea, honestly. That's one of the reasons I've never really wanted to buy those Macca vinyl reissues. When I found out the Beatle remasters on vinyl were pressed from digital sources, it was like finding out there was no Santa Clause.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 12, 2013 10:25:06 GMT -5
Or is it you? I never know this stuff as I picture you like Instant Karma John Lennon, short, buzzed hair, granny specs, etc. Never buzzed hair. No glasses unless I'm reading something. I dunno -- does this guy look like Instant Karma Lennon to you? : LOL! Well, I always imagine posters here to look like their Avatar photo(except scousette because she has Tony Hicks, lead guitarist of The Hollies). That doesn't apply to me but I just liked John's photo I used. I thus always thought that our old Ron Nasty must look like Neil Innes(although he really does ). Anyway, back to this Thread's topic, I have been considering forming an underground group to fight for the preservation of John Lennon's legacy both in the Beatles and in general to our popular culture. It needs catchy initials, like F.B.I., or C.I.A., or P.L.O. or something. R.J.L.(Remember John Lennon) or S.J.L.(Save John Lennon). We would adopt guerilla tactics like disrupting Macca press conferences, P.R. events, etc. If Paul engages in historical revisionism, he gets a visit from the R.J.L. but in a humorous, non-violent way. Maybe some pie-throwing at worse. I don't know what we are to do otherwise to keep John Lennon from becoming another Denny Laine or a Laurence Jubar, just a sideman to Paul! Ringo is happy to play that role as Paul snubbed Ringo for Live 8 yet opened with a Beatles tune with U2 to the world and Paul more recently dismissed summarily the idea of ever being in the All-Starrs. Paul got George as George is now remembered as the guy who only did ATMP and the lead guitarist not good enough to even play lead guitar on many of Paul's songs(or even guitar, i.e. "Hey Jude"). Paul got his revenge for what he felt was disrespectful treatment to him by George in 1969-1971 including George playing on "How Do You Sleep?" Well, fabfour will have to start a George underground group, not me. I am a "John" guy at heart. I was shocked two summers ago when seeing Paul in Chicago and the free Chicago Monthly Events magazine given in every hotel room said Paul was the "clear" leader of The Beatles as it trumped up his two concert Wrigley Field stand. I knew then the time was here where some of us needed to hit the streets and go underground to fight for John Lennon's legacy!
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Post by vectisfabber on Jun 12, 2013 10:39:25 GMT -5
I look like a ladder.
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Post by mikev on Jun 12, 2013 11:43:34 GMT -5
When I found out the Beatle remasters on vinyl were pressed from digital sources, it was like finding out there was no Santa Clause. I will never buy the new Vinyl UK Box Set. However, I did buy the "Past Masters" LP on its own, only because it was a "new vinyl album", if you know what I mean -- it wasn't one of the older original LPs "reissued". But I played they whole thing and it just sounded lousy to me... I cannot explain it. On the other hand, old original LPs like "The Red And Blue Hits Albums" and "Love Songs" all sound amazing. This is perhaps a subject for another thread, but you'd think that older vinyl wouldn't sound as good as today's CDs. NOT TRUE! I maintain that the vinyl records (when in great condition) have me hearing instruments and nuances I haven't even picked up on with the CDs! My problem is I just don't have time to set up my turntable, reclean the lps and blast away, but yes Analog is better at least than the first 15 years or so of CDs. Newer CDs mix at 24 bit, which approaches analog warmth more than the original 16 bit (which CDs are still burned as, but when off the 24 bit master- do sound better). I actually have dozens of flac files of Dr. Ebbetts needle drops- and they translate pretty well to CD.
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Post by mikev on Jun 12, 2013 13:47:19 GMT -5
I have been considering forming an underground group to fight for the preservation of John Lennon's legacy both in the Beatles and in general to our popular culture. It needs catchy initials, like F.B.I., or C.I.A., or P.L.O. or something. R.J.L.(Remember John Lennon) or S.J.L.(Save John Lennon). We would adopt guerilla tactics like disrupting Macca press conferences, P.R. events, etc. If Paul engages in historical revisionism, he gets a visit from the R.J.L. but in a humorous, non-violent way. Maybe some pie-throwing at worse. I don't know what we are to do otherwise to keep John Lennon from becoming another Denny Laine or a Laurence Jubar, just a sideman to Paul! I like that idea! How about "The RJL Society"? ("remember John Lennon")? If McCartney marginalizes Lennon the way he has Laine, then I will lead the charge!
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 12, 2013 18:34:25 GMT -5
My understanding is the new vinyls are digitally remastered but they are not the same as the cds. They are not compressed to fit on the discs. You still get the fuller sound you get with like a flac file or a wav recording.
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 12, 2013 19:21:30 GMT -5
LOL! Well, I always imagine posters here to look like their Avatar photo(except scousette because she has Tony Hicks, lead guitarist of The Hollies). That's not scousette in her avatar? I always thought that was a photo of her from the '70s. Boy is my face red. (Well, it's white and orangy yellow.) I was having gay thoughts and didn't even know it. Speaking of which, if you search Tony Hicks in images... there's a picture or two that reassured me I wasn't gay.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jun 13, 2013 4:55:07 GMT -5
Hmm, let's see...
Key driving force behind the creation of the most influential musical group of the 20th century Songwriter and performer (as part of group) of huge significance Wrote and sang Imagine - solo career otherwise fairly crap Put foot in mouth over "Greater than Jesus" comment Indulged in rubbish performance/surrealist art with crackpot artist wife Serial philanderer Vocal peace campaigner: directed peace campaign at wrong side Startlingly politically naive Commercially inept Overcame heroin addiction Writer of quirky but inconsequential humour pieces
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 13, 2013 10:50:31 GMT -5
Okay, this is getting scary. Macca fans are sending me unsigned hate P.M.'s about forming the R.J.L. and disrupting Paul events.
One anonymous P.M. said, "If you pie-in-the-face Paul, Damm, we will get you!!" and there were skull and bones placed where a signature would be.
I can see that one of those anonymous P.M.'s must have come from dear vectis based on the above sarcastic post! Have you been ghostwriting RTP's posts all of these years?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 13, 2013 11:28:49 GMT -5
JSD, you had a very effective tag line in your shout-out, which I borrowed for my current signature. I think it's a good one, and I wanted to give you credit for it.
Come on fellow Beatle Peoples -- Help Us to Preserve John's Presence In The Beatles!
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Post by coachbk on Jun 13, 2013 20:40:58 GMT -5
I had a student who skipped her final e-mail me and ask if she could make it up. I had her come in with another class today and we got to talking. She's really smart, but kind of a rebel. She knows I like the Beatles and she said she does too and that John is her favorite. No surprise there. In my experience virtually all the "rebel" type of students like John Lennon. They wear Lennon tee shirts. John won't be forgotten.
As to "Mr. Kite", the Beatles never did the song and John can't do it. It is a great song and if someone is going to do it live (and do it well) I'm glad to have Paul be the one.
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 13, 2013 21:26:02 GMT -5
As to "Mr. Kite", the Beatles never did the song and John can't do it. It is a great song and if someone is going to do it live (and do it well) I'm glad to have Paul be the one. Yes, it's cool - I'm half-kidding. Paul didn't write Mr Kite. He got the words from a poster.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 13, 2013 21:41:00 GMT -5
I had a student who skipped her final e-mail me and ask if she could make it up. I had her come in with another class today and we got to talking. She's really smart, but kind of a rebel. She knows I like the Beatles and she said she does too and that John is her favorite. No surprise there. In my experience virtually all the "rebel" type of students like John Lennon. They wear Lennon tee shirts. John won't be forgotten. As to "Mr. Kite", the Beatles never did the song and John can't do it. It is a great song and if someone is going to do it live (and do it well) I'm glad to have Paul be the one. I hope this student does a research paper on the origins of "How Do You Sleep!" Coach, you'd flunk her in a hearbeat and right after you started the expulsion proceedings!
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Post by vectisfabber on Jun 14, 2013 3:22:49 GMT -5
I am SOOO disappointed - look at all those pigeons ignoring my cat!!!
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Post by mikev on Jun 14, 2013 7:08:53 GMT -5
The whole issue of Paul doing Lennon songs live routinely as opposed to "tributes" has pros and cons and is a bit of a paradox. I agree with coach- only Paul is left as a legimate person to perform John's songs, besides Julian and Sean (who more likley will avoid covering them). I am not opposed to Paul doing several of John's songs as long as he doesn't marginalize them in a medley, or act like they are "his" songs. Of the Mr. Kite clips I've seen so far Paul does not say they are John songs nor does he take credit. Personally I would still like to see him perform Imagine. We KNOW that he wouldn't take credit for that. Studio level- he could finish off John's 30 or so unfinished songs, but that gets more and more unlikely. Paul could shock us all one day and perform How Do You Sleep
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 14, 2013 9:57:15 GMT -5
JSD, you had a very effective tag line in your shout-out, which I borrowed for my current signature. I think it's a good one, and I wanted to give you credit for it. Come on fellow Beatle Peoples -- Help Us to Preserve John's Presence In The Beatles! Thanks Joe! I am rather fond of that and we should get tee-shirts saying that! I have a new Postulate. The JSD Postulate II. Simply stated, The Beatles Anthology was the start of the marginalization of John Lennon because he was gone and as Anthology was told through the voices of The Beatles themselves, John could only speak through scratchy old oral interviews or grainy old videotape of TV appearances like Mike Douglas which John never intended to be the definitive telling of his side of the story! John gets grossly shortchanged in Anthology!! Meanwhile, we get glorious, contemporary interviews of Paul, George and Ringo in cool or exotic locations all filmed in High Definition so they are as if sitting in our living rooms. Meanwhile John comes across as some guy from the American Civil War, an ancient artifact!! And worse, Paul, George and Ringo all have their agendas and it ain't to accurately or fairly preserve John's legacy. In fact, they all give lip-service to John and Yoko and superficially say, "Oh they were great" but then proceed to complain about beds in the studio, Two Virgins cover, Yoko always being around, etc. John's "beast friends" subtly trash John in Anthology while smiling and laughing! At the time of broadcast, I was glad that Yoko wasn't interviewed in Anthology. Now I realize that was a huge mistake! Yoko should have been interviewed starting in the 1968 segment(I realize they met in November 1966 but she was behind the scenes until 1968) and on. We needed modern, HD filmed footage of Yoko so that John could be fairly represented. Any newbie who became a fan during Anthology can only view John as someone who had been gone a long time even by then. That is demonstrated even in the music like FAAB where John's voice is hazy and far away and then Paul and George each come booming in to the rescue in pristine, studio-clear vocals. Well, that same effect is true for the film. John Lennon is portrayed as far away and hazy in Anthology. That was the start of John's marginalization of The Beatles and it was started by Paul, George, Ringo and Neil Aspinall. Join the Remember John Lennon Society(RJL) and put "Lennon" back into Lennon/McCartney today!
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Post by acebackwords on Jun 14, 2013 14:20:36 GMT -5
Personally I would still like to see him perform Imagine. We KNOW that he wouldn't take credit for that. If he had balls he'd cover "How Do You Sleep?" Too bad Paul never followed through with his idea to do a rebuttal song called "Quite Nicely, Thank You."
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Post by acebackwords on Jun 14, 2013 16:14:18 GMT -5
Simply stated, The Beatles Anthology was the start of the marginalization of John Lennon because he was gone and as Anthology was told through the voices of The Beatles themselves, John could only speak through scratchy old oral interviews or grainy old videotape of TV appearances like Mike Douglas which John never intended to be the definitive telling of his side of the story! John gets grossly shortchanged in Anthology!! Hey, you may be right -- that could be when it all started! At which point, precisely, did Paul successfully turn those tables and stop being "John's Shadow", and make it the opposite? Geez, so Paul is guilty of promoting himself more than promoting John. Or anybody else for that matter. Isn't that just human nature? Especially in show business. Where almost everyone in it is an egomaniac with an over-sized lust for attention and applause. And didn't Paul also say in the Anthology book (words to the effect): "We all looked up to John. It was like having our own Elvis in the group." Maybe I'm missing something. Sure, Paul was a natural self-promoter. But just about every quote I've read by Paul about John shows deep respect, and even awe, for his talents.
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Post by acebackwords on Jun 14, 2013 16:21:11 GMT -5
Too bad Paul never followed through with his idea to do a rebuttal song called "Quite Nicely, Thank You." Oh, I'll bet he did sleep nicely -- and I think that's the point of the song --- At that time, how could he?? (Perhaps the song should have been called "How CAN You Sleep"). Macca shouldn't have been able to sleep, if he had any conscience What exactly were the dirty deeds and heavy guilt trips that McCartney should have been suffering from back then?
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 14, 2013 16:53:49 GMT -5
I agree with ace. Paul speaks very highly of John. He maybe gets a little defensive when people ask him about some of John's comments about him. "John says things without thinking...".
He didn't have much time on Colbert. He did a John song. He probably figured the fans would know it was John's song and would tell anyone who didn't.
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 14, 2013 17:52:26 GMT -5
Sure, Paul had a hard time when the other Beatles quit. And he expressed it the McCartney interview and on Ram. I think most of us were pretty upset too.
I think Paul is doing a great job of keeping the Beatles alive. It's up to Yoko to work on the solo years.
Anyone buying a Beatles' album because of Paul, will soon learn John was an equal if not better partner in the band.
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