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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 29, 2013 17:20:26 GMT -5
February 9, 2014 is the 50th anniversary of The Beatles' debut on the Ed Sullivan Show where they captured the heart of American Youth in one night.
We have had B.B.C. 2, 1963 Bootleg Series on iTunes, and Capitol Records is releasing the entire U.S. Beatles catalog in one box. There are special shows on the networks planned to mark the Beatles 50th Anniversary on these shores.
Question: Is the United States set for another wave of post-breakup Beatlemania like we experienced in 1976 and 2000, as just two years where the Beatles were very popular?
Will the Beatles albums hit the top of the Billboard 200 or will this just be a sentimental remembrance for us older fans?
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Post by scousette on Dec 29, 2013 20:06:25 GMT -5
Good question. I think not, though.
It took a major prime time presentation of The Beatles Anthology to rekindle my Beatlemania and I just don't see a similar event happening. It's too bad, because more Beatles would be welcome.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 29, 2013 22:08:10 GMT -5
Good question. I think not, though. It took a major prime time presentation of The Beatles Anthology to rekindle my Beatlemania and I just don't see a similar event happening. It's too bad, because more Beatles would be welcome. Good call scousette, Anthology was another outburst, was that November 1995? Maybe the 50th hype will cause some kids to discover The Beatles this February.
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Post by sayne on Dec 29, 2013 22:14:15 GMT -5
I have tickets to see the taping of the CBS special on the 50th Anniversary of the Beatles on Ed Sullivan. The event will be on Monday, January 27th at the LA Convention Center. Don't know when the TV special will air.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 29, 2013 22:21:37 GMT -5
I have tickets to see the taping of the CBS special on the 50th Anniversary of the Beatles on Ed Sullivan. The event will be on Monday, January 27th at the LA Convention Center. Don't know when the TV special will air. Awesome! That show may drum up excitement for the Fabs. That's one of the shows I was referring to. The Grammy Awards Show is doing something too.
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Post by scousette on Dec 30, 2013 0:46:35 GMT -5
Sayne you have an advantage, being in the LA metro area.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 2:26:16 GMT -5
Sayne you have an advantage, being in the LA metro area. He has a definite advantage being in the right country, let alone the right part of the country.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 30, 2013 11:22:43 GMT -5
I am optimistic that there will be yet another surge of post-breakup Beatlemania here in the U.S. Even if it just the older fans who may have strayed away from The Beatles once they "grew up" and had families, jobs, health crisis, etc., that would be cool. Kind of The Empire Strikes Back, older fans de-discovering The Beatles and buying these American CDs(or standard catalog) in masses putting our lads back to the top of the charts. That is win-win for Paul and maybe Ringo as to their solo material. The lapsed older fans, inspired by hearing Beatles again, inquire as to Paul's newest offering New. I am not as big of a critic of current Pop Music as some are here but I agree that a dose of Beatles in great audio with cool visual could turn many youngsters heads and give a pump of Rock and Roll energy to the current music scene, a little reminder of good musical craftsmanship. I just wish Apple had released already the Video collection gloriously restored in sound and picture of every song filmed being performed by The Beatles whether live or lip-synched. Kids today need to see as well as hear their artists on their smart phones or tablets. It would help to have pristine videos out there on iTunes for the kiddies. I may host a February 9, Beatles Party and play my Sullivan DVDs including the commercials which are hilarious, some disturbing(the husband with a headache who is about to beat the shit out of his dress-clad housewife until he takes his pain medication and all is good again!). LOL, in Logansport most invitees may come to my party for the free food and drink and then complain when I play those B&W DVDs, "Come on JSD, play some Miley Cyrus or Katie Perry!"
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 30, 2013 12:06:11 GMT -5
I have tickets to see the taping of the CBS special on the 50th Anniversary of the Beatles on Ed Sullivan. The event will be on Monday, January 27th at the LA Convention Center. Don't know when the TV special will air. I believe it is scheduled to air on Sunday night, Feb. 9, 2014 in the 8PM (ET&PT) time slot that will be 50 years to the exact time The Ed Sullivan Show was on with them in 1964.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 30, 2013 12:15:30 GMT -5
I have tickets to see the taping of the CBS special on the 50th Anniversary of the Beatles on Ed Sullivan. The event will be on Monday, January 27th at the LA Convention Center. Don't know when the TV special will air. I believe it is scheduled to air on Sunday night, Feb. 9, 2014 in the 8PM (ET&PT) time slot that will be 50 years to the exact time The Ed Sullivan Show was on with them in 1964. I guess it's too big a show for the Ed Sullivan Theater.
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 30, 2013 12:16:36 GMT -5
I have tickets to see the taping of the CBS special on the 50th Anniversary of the Beatles on Ed Sullivan. The event will be on Monday, January 27th at the LA Convention Center. Don't know when the TV special will air. Awesome! That show may drum up excitement for the Fabs. That's one of the shows I was referring to. The Grammy Awards Show is doing something too. I read that The Grammy's are awarding a Lifetime Achievement to The Beatles on Sunday night, Jan. 26 during the awards show. Rumor has it both Paul and Ringo will attend. Not sure about Olivia and Yoko. If that pans out, it would stand that both surviving Beatles would attend the taping the following evening in L.A. for the commemoration tribute to the 50th Anniversary of the Ed Sullivan Show. So Sayne may be in for a real treat that night. Those of us in NYC area attending the Fest For Beatles convention two weeks later over the weekend (Feb. 7-9) which is the exact 50th Anniversary of the band arriving and appearing in America are of course crossing our fingers that perhaps FINALLY some Beatles will come to NYC and perhaps show up unannounced at the Fest. The fest can't announce anything official ahead of time or chaos would ensue at the Fest if it was known Paul and/or Ringo would appear. Hope springs eternal....
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 30, 2013 12:17:55 GMT -5
I am optimistic that there will be yet another surge of post-breakup Beatlemania here in the U.S. Even if it just the older fans who may have strayed away from The Beatles once they "grew up" and had families, jobs, health crisis, etc., that would be cool. Kind of The Empire Strikes Back, older fans de-discovering The Beatles and buying these American CDs(or standard catalog) in masses putting our lads back to the top of the charts. That is win-win for Paul and maybe Ringo as to their solo material. The lapsed older fans, inspired by hearing Beatles again, inquire as to Paul's newest offering New. I am not as big of a critic of current Pop Music as some are here but I agree that a dose of Beatles in great audio with cool visual could turn many youngsters heads and give a pump of Rock and Roll energy to the current music scene, a little reminder of good musical craftsmanship. I just wish Apple had released already the Video collection gloriously restored in sound and picture of every song filmed being performed by The Beatles whether live or lip-synched. Kids today need to see as well as hear their artists on their smart phones or tablets. It would help to have pristine videos out there on iTunes for the kiddies. I may host a February 9, Beatles Party and play my Sullivan DVDs including the commercials which are hilarious, some disturbing(the husband with a headache who is about to beat the shit out of his dress-clad housewife until he takes his pain medication and all is good again!). LOL, in Logansport most invitees may come to my party for the free food and drink and then complain when I play those B&W DVDs, "Come on JSD, play some Miley Cyrus or Katie Perry!" What made Beatles 1 go over so big was the ads showing the Beatles singing the songs. It was said that a test market showed that people were not interested in the album until they saw the ad. After they saw it, they said they would buy the CD.
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Post by sayne on Dec 30, 2013 12:42:19 GMT -5
I read that The Grammy's are awarding a Lifetime Achievement to The Beatles on Sunday night, Jan. 26 during the awards show. That's odd. I thought the Beatles got one years ago. I know John and Paul got one, but for the Beatles not already to have gotten one seems like a very huge mistake and humongous act of oversight. Look at this list of people who have received one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Lifetime_Achievement_AwardAll deserving, but for anyone to get one after 1972 ahead of the Beatles is a travesty. Dylan, Zappa, Simon and Garfunkel, the Doors, the Who, the Beach Boys, David Bowie, The Bee Gees, the Grateful Dead, the Ramones,and other pop/rock people all got theirs ahead of the lads. Stoooopid!
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 30, 2013 13:16:43 GMT -5
I read that The Grammy's are awarding a Lifetime Achievement to The Beatles on Sunday night, Jan. 26 during the awards show. That's odd. I thought the Beatles got one years ago. I know John and Paul got one, but for the Beatles not already to have gotten one seems like a very huge mistake and humongous act of oversight. Look at this list of people who have received one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Lifetime_Achievement_AwardAll deserving, but for anyone to get one after 1972 ahead of the Beatles is a travesty. Dylan, Zappa, Simon and Garfunkel, the Doors, the Who, the Beach Boys, David Bowie, The Bee Gees, the Grateful Dead, the Ramones,and other pop/rock people all got theirs ahead of the lads. Stoooopid! I thought so too.
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Post by joeyself on Dec 30, 2013 14:38:16 GMT -5
February 9, 2014 is the 50th anniversary of The Beatles' debut on the Ed Sullivan Show where they captured the heart of American Youth in one night. We have had B.B.C. 2, 1963 Bootleg Series on iTunes, and Capitol Records is releasing the entire U.S. Beatles catalog in one box. There are special shows on the networks planned to mark the Beatles 50th Anniversary on these shores. Question: Is the United States set for another wave of post-breakup Beatlemania like we experienced in 1976 and 2000, as just two years where the Beatles were very popular? Will the Beatles albums hit the top of the Billboard 200 or will this just be a sentimental remembrance for us older fans? My answer to the two questions, one at a time: This isn't quite like 1976 and 2000 for a couple of reasons. First, those two spikes in the interest was driven new compilations, (ROCK AND ROLL MUSIC and 1, respectively), where they are apparently banking the 50th on the re-issue of the American catalog. In '76, EMI/Capitol regained control over the catalog, and started milking the cash cow--a nice promotional budget never hurts. Also, had the two Capitol boxes not come out a few years ago--if this was the debut of those albums on CD--then more interest may have been generated. (Releasing the titles as individual albums instead of in the box MAY help, though.) Second, neither '76 or 2000 were anniversary dates; we can look back at how the 20th, 25th, 30th, 35th and 40th were received by the public, and get a better gauge on how the 50th will be seen. True, there is something to a half-century mark, but I think, in a way, that only serves to cement in a young person--less than 40, let's say--that this is not their music. Second question: I think the albums will chart very well, because they don't have to move as many units now to chart highly as they did even 10 years ago. I am assuming these (save THE BEATLES STORY) will be available for download, but if so I'm not sure these will sell proportionally as many in download format as they will in hard copies, because the nostalgia crowd will be looking for the whole experience of seeing the album jackets (in CD form, it won't quite be the same). But the observation about the "sentimental remembrance" is also what I think will happen. I expect the albums to chart highly in the first couple of weeks, and drop off sharply soon thereafter, as those interested will buy their copies in the first couple of weeks, and the album charts may look like a singles chart in the first half of '64, but I doubt it will be sustained long. I make these predictions and observations now, knowing in three months, we'll have a better handle on it...but then, it won't be predictive at that point, now will it? JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 30, 2013 14:46:29 GMT -5
I would bet the farm Paul will be at the Grammy's. It is always hard to tell with Ringo. One would think that Ringo would be the first to jump on any Beatles bandwagon but to his credit he historically has been the least receptive, next to George. There are 1974 quotes from Ringo steadfastly avoiding Beatles reunion-mania while even John Lennon was popping off optimistic on the topic. Good for Ringo to keep his cool on this topic. If Paul and Ringo appear at the Grammies should they perform musically or do we think just their dignified presence to accept the award is enough? I have this nightmare image of Paul and Ringo being dramatically introduced at the Grammies only for them to break into "Really Love You," that McCartney/Starkey jam on Paul's Flaming Pie album!
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 30, 2013 15:06:11 GMT -5
My answer to the two questions, one at a time: This isn't quite like 1976 and 2000 for a couple of reasons. First, those two spikes in the interest was driven new compilations, (ROCK AND ROLL MUSIC and 1, respectively), where they are apparently banking the 50th on the re-issue of the American catalog. In '76, EMI/Capitol regained control over the catalog, and started milking the cash cow--a nice promotional budget never hurts. Also, had the two Capitol boxes not come out a few years ago--if this was the debut of those albums on CD--then more interest may have been generated. (Releasing the titles as individual albums instead of in the box MAY help, though.) Second, neither '76 or 2000 were anniversary dates; we can look back at how the 20th, 25th, 30th, 35th and 40th were received by the public, and get a better gauge on how the 50th will be seen. True, there is something to a half-century mark, but I think, in a way, that only serves to cement in a young person--less than 40, let's say--that this is not their music. Second question: I think the albums will chart very well, because they don't have to move as many units now to chart highly as they did even 10 years ago. I am assuming these (save THE BEATLES STORY) will be available for download, but if so I'm not sure these will sell proportionally as many in download format as they will in hard copies, because the nostalgia crowd will be looking for the whole experience of seeing the album jackets (in CD form, it won't quite be the same). But the observation about the "sentimental remembrance" is also what I think will happen. I expect the albums to chart highly in the first couple of weeks, and drop off sharply soon thereafter, as those interested will buy their copies in the first couple of weeks, and the album charts may look like a singles chart in the first half of '64, but I doubt it will be sustained long. I make these predictions and observations now, knowing in three months, we'll have a better handle on it...but then, it won't be predictive at that point, now will it? JcS Joey, I hope you are right on the albums selling briskly and charting strong albeit briefly. That would be good enough for me. There probably won't be that "mania" this time around for the reasons you cite. The Wings Over America tour was another huge factor in 1976 as all four Beatles were alive keeping open the hope of a reunion and it was rare to see Macca or any other Beatle live(Paul still tours but it is regularly enough not to have that thrill of WOA). WOA created a lot of Beatles interest in 1976 to Macca's then chagrin as he was kicking butt on his own and didn't like talking Beatles back then. scousette mentioned late 1995, early 1996 as another period of minor mania because of Anthology but that is consistent with Joey's point: new product and in this case, truly new! 1973 saw the release of the Red and Blue albums and those were huge to fans like me who got bitten by the Beatles bug in 1975 so 1973 was another year of "minor Beatlemania." Least we forget, 1980/early 1981 saw Beatles sales soar for all the wrong reasons. That was one case of post-break-up Beatlemania I did not enjoy at all nor did anyone else. Your point Joey about 50 year anniversary turning off a lot of youth is well taken. What turns most(not all) kids off? History! I think there will be some buzz and if Joey is right and all we get are brisk album sales I'd be proud.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 30, 2013 18:13:20 GMT -5
I think one thing that could really make a big impact in 2014 Beatlemania would be the proper DVD release of all the promo films, done right and promoted strongly.
One of the reasons things don't take off as hugely as they did in the 1960s and 1970s is that there is just so much more of everything out there from everybody, and so many things to choose from. In that way, it is a much bigger world. Or seems to be.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 30, 2013 18:18:19 GMT -5
[our point Joey about 50 year anniversary turning off a lot of youth is well taken. What turns most(not all) kids off? History!. I maintain that the Beatles still have a very impressive young fan base of newbies. That's the reason the Fabs remain - and always will be - a hot commodity. When I go to the NY Fest For Beatles Fans in February, I expect to see fans from 7 to 70.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 30, 2013 18:21:18 GMT -5
I would bet the farm Paul will be at the Grammy's. It is always hard to tell with Ringo. One would think that Ringo would be the first to jump on any Beatles bandwagon but to his credit he historically has been the least receptive, next to George. There are 1974 quotes from Ringo steadfastly avoiding Beatles reunion-mania while even John Lennon was popping off optimistic on the topic. Good for Ringo to keep his cool on this topic. If Paul and Ringo appear at the Grammies should they perform musically or do we think just their dignified presence to accept the award is enough? I wouldn't mind them missing the Grammys, so long as one or both of them happens to be in NYC the historic weekend of February 7th and makes an unscheduled and secured surprise appearance at the Fest For Beatles Fans!
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Post by stavros on Dec 30, 2013 18:21:59 GMT -5
Not being American I can't really call this one.
I would guess that the 50th anniversary will attract a lot of interest but we have to remember how times have changed even since "1" was released. Back then the download market was almost entirely an underground and grey area, the CD was still king and over a decade has passed.
Now I think it would take a sort of mini-Beatles Anthology on TV to generate a sort of big interest and it would need Apple and the TV networks to market it. There was an hour programme shown on BBC4 during the release of the re-masters in 2009 called "Beatles on the Record". Whilst hardly earth shattering it did attract a lot of interest as it fast tracked through all of the Beatles albums in a 1 hour (ad-free) show. I know because my (then 11 year old) nephew got really into the Beatles after watching that show.
If Apple actually got their a$$ into gear then they could cash in by releasing a "Music-Anthology" of Beatles videos on DVD/Blu-Ray. But will they?
Anyway I hope America embraces the 50th Anniversary more than we did here in the UK.
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Post by stavros on Dec 30, 2013 18:26:41 GMT -5
I think one thing that could really make a big impact in 2014 Beatlemania would be the proper DVD release of all the promo films, done right and promoted strongly. One of the reasons things don't take off as hugely as they did in the 1960s and 1970s is that there is just so much more of everything out there from everybody, and so many things to choose from. In that way, it is a much bigger world. Or seems to be. I totally agree with that Joe. It is so obvious it's a no-brainer. In fact we could have the Red and Blu-Ray albums Another thing that is so woefully ignored, even 40 odd years since the split, is the Beatles as solo artists.
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Post by joeyself on Dec 30, 2013 19:50:05 GMT -5
Joey, I hope you are right on the albums selling briskly and charting strong albeit briefly. That would be good enough for me. There probably won't be that "mania" this time around for the reasons you cite. The Wings Over America tour was another huge factor in 1976 as all four Beatles were alive keeping open the hope of a reunion and it was rare to see Macca or any other Beatle live(Paul still tours but it is regularly enough not to have that thrill of WOA). WOA created a lot of Beatles interest in 1976 to Macca's then chagrin as he was kicking butt on his own and didn't like talking Beatles back then. scousette mentioned late 1995, early 1996 as another period of minor mania because of Anthology but that is consistent with Joey's point: new product and in this case, truly new! 1973 saw the release of the Red and Blue albums and those were huge to fans like me who got bitten by the Beatles bug in 1975 so 1973 was another year of "minor Beatlemania." Least we forget, 1980/early 1981 saw Beatles sales soar for all the wrong reasons. That was one case of post-break-up Beatlemania I did not enjoy at all nor did anyone else. Your point Joey about 50 year anniversary turning off a lot of youth is well taken. What turns most(not all) kids off? History! I think there will be some buzz and if Joey is right and all we get are brisk album sales I'd be proud. I had forgotten about the Wings tour; I thought more about the release of the album ROCK AND ROLL MUSIC and the single "Got To Get You Into My Life" as the high point of the Beatles' resurgence that year, but there was unquestionably a buzz because of that tour--far more than the Harrison tour from '74 was able to generate. I gave my macro prediction before, here is the micro one--the hottest selling of the individual titles will be YESTERDAY AND TODAY. Logic dictates that since it was not included in the box sets, yet is most closely associated with the butcher jobs we got in the USA because of the cover, it will be the one to chart the highest. I think SOME kids may become interested; I still see some wearing Beatles t-shirts. One of Conor's girlfriends last year wanted to see HELP when she was over one night, and Conor had to sit through it with her. A buddy of Conor's is a Lennon fan, and borrowed my copy of Ray Coleman's biography a few month ago. But by and large, I don't see them swooping into the store to buy CDs--they may download a bunch of them from YouTube or a torrent!--and without that market share shelling out bucks for the discs/downloads, I can't see a long chart run for any of these. In fact, if it was set up to be a year long celebration, the better marketing move may have been to release one of those albums a month (well, there are 13, so maybe one every 4 weeks) and keep the buzz going all year. But they didn't ask me (again). JcS
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Post by mikev on Dec 30, 2013 20:58:52 GMT -5
Joey, I hope you are right on the albums selling briskly and charting strong albeit briefly. That would be good enough for me. There probably won't be that "mania" this time around for the reasons you cite. The Wings Over America tour was another huge factor in 1976 as all four Beatles were alive keeping open the hope of a reunion and it was rare to see Macca or any other Beatle live(Paul still tours but it is regularly enough not to have that thrill of WOA). WOA created a lot of Beatles interest in 1976 to Macca's then chagrin as he was kicking butt on his own and didn't like talking Beatles back then. scousette mentioned late 1995, early 1996 as another period of minor mania because of Anthology but that is consistent with Joey's point: new product and in this case, truly new! 1973 saw the release of the Red and Blue albums and those were huge to fans like me who got bitten by the Beatles bug in 1975 so 1973 was another year of "minor Beatlemania." Least we forget, 1980/early 1981 saw Beatles sales soar for all the wrong reasons. That was one case of post-break-up Beatlemania I did not enjoy at all nor did anyone else. Your point Joey about 50 year anniversary turning off a lot of youth is well taken. What turns most(not all) kids off? History! I think there will be some buzz and if Joey is right and all we get are brisk album sales I'd be proud. I had forgotten about the Wings tour; I thought more about the release of the album ROCK AND ROLL MUSIC and the single "Got To Get You Into My Life" as the high point of the Beatles' resurgence that year, but there was unquestionably a buzz because of that tour--far more than the Harrison tour from '74 was able to generate. I gave my macro prediction before, here is the micro one--the hottest selling of the individual titles will be YESTERDAY AND TODAY. Logic dictates that since it was not included in the box sets, yet is most closely associated with the butcher jobs we got in the USA because of the cover, it will be the one to chart the highest. I think SOME kids may become interested; I still see some wearing Beatles t-shirts. One of Conor's girlfriends last year wanted to see HELP when she was over one night, and Conor had to sit through it with her. A buddy of Conor's is a Lennon fan, and borrowed my copy of Ray Coleman's biography a few month ago. But by and large, I don't see them swooping into the store to buy CDs--they may download a bunch of them from YouTube or a torrent!--and without that market share shelling out bucks for the discs/downloads, I can't see a long chart run for any of these. In fact, if it was set up to be a year long celebration, the better marketing move may have been to release one of those albums a month (well, there are 13, so maybe one every 4 weeks) and keep the buzz going all year. But they didn't ask me (again). JcS Paul didn't take advantage of performing GTGYIML until the 79 tour, and how cool would it have been for Wings to perform Helter Skelter with some blistering Jimmy McCullough leads. One other minor surge was the CD releases in the second half of the 80s.
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Post by mikev on Dec 30, 2013 22:20:39 GMT -5
Awesome! That show may drum up excitement for the Fabs. That's one of the shows I was referring to. The Grammy Awards Show is doing something too. I read that The Grammy's are awarding a Lifetime Achievement to The Beatles on Sunday night, Jan. 26 during the awards show. Rumor has it both Paul and Ringo will attend. Not sure about Olivia and Yoko. If that pans out, it would stand that both surviving Beatles would attend the taping the following evening in L.A. for the commemoration tribute to the 50th Anniversary of the Ed Sullivan Show. So Sayne may be in for a real treat that night. Those of us in NYC area attending the Fest For Beatles convention two weeks later over the weekend (Feb. 7-9) which is the exact 50th Anniversary of the band arriving and appearing in America are of course crossing our fingers that perhaps FINALLY some Beatles will come to NYC and perhaps show up unannounced at the Fest. The fest can't announce anything official ahead of time or chaos would ensue at the Fest if it was known Paul and/or Ringo would appear. Hope springs eternal.... I'll sound like a killjoy here, but the Twotles will NOT EVER appear at a Beatles Convention.for safety purposes alone. It would be the equivalent of a person with a bloodied arm dipping it into a aquarium of hungry pirahna. But mannnn, will I be pissed I didn't fork over all that money.
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Post by OldFred on Dec 30, 2013 22:49:07 GMT -5
I read that The Grammy's are awarding a Lifetime Achievement to The Beatles on Sunday night, Jan. 26 during the awards show. Rumor has it both Paul and Ringo will attend. Not sure about Olivia and Yoko. If that pans out, it would stand that both surviving Beatles would attend the taping the following evening in L.A. for the commemoration tribute to the 50th Anniversary of the Ed Sullivan Show. So Sayne may be in for a real treat that night. Those of us in NYC area attending the Fest For Beatles convention two weeks later over the weekend (Feb. 7-9) which is the exact 50th Anniversary of the band arriving and appearing in America are of course crossing our fingers that perhaps FINALLY some Beatles will come to NYC and perhaps show up unannounced at the Fest. The fest can't announce anything official ahead of time or chaos would ensue at the Fest if it was known Paul and/or Ringo would appear. Hope springs eternal.... I'll sound like a killjoy here, but the Twotles will NOT EVER appear at a Beatles Convention.for safety purposes alone. It would be the equivalent of a person with a bloodied arm dipping it into a aquarium of hungry pirahna. But mannnn, will I be pissed I didn't fork over all that money. Agreed. John almost came to the first NY Beatlefest in 1974, but chickened out and sent May Pang instead. The only Beatle who has appeared at a Beatles convention is Pete Best. It's a policy of Apple that while they acknowledge the conventions, they can't appear to actually endorse them. Just go to the convention and enjoy yourself and don't fixate on whether Paul or Ringo might show up.
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 30, 2013 23:12:44 GMT -5
I'll sound like a killjoy here, but the Twotles will NOT EVER appear at a Beatles Convention.for safety purposes alone. It would be the equivalent of a person with a bloodied arm dipping it into a aquarium of hungry pirahna. But mannnn, will I be pissed I didn't fork over all that money. Agreed. John almost came to the first NY Beatlefest in 1974, but chickened out and sent May Pang instead. The only Beatle who has appeared at a Beatles convention is Pete Best. It's a policy of Apple that while they acknowledge the conventions, they can't appear to actually endorse them. Just go to the convention and enjoy yourself and don't fixate on whether Paul or Ringo might show up. Since when did Paul or Ringo ever listen to what "Apple" says? They are Apple and can do whatever they want. They certainly don't need permission from Apple to do anything. I agree they probably won't show up. But if it was ever going to happen, this would be the year to do so.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 31, 2013 1:33:09 GMT -5
Good point Mike that Paul did not add GTGYIML to the WOA set list even though that song ran up the charts during that tour. Back then Paul was confident and assured, he wasn't worried about his legacy. He even made up that Muhammad Ali kind of poem when asked about Beatles reunions.
That was the Paul McCartney I became a fan of in 1975/1976.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 31, 2013 9:05:59 GMT -5
That was the Paul McCartney I became a fan of in 1975/1976. And of course now you have nothing but contempt for VENUS AND MARS, and you think the whole BOTR and mid-70s period was when Paul sold out!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 31, 2013 9:10:53 GMT -5
I agree they probably won't show up. But if it was ever going to happen, this would be the year to do so. Right. I don't really think either will show up, but it's only that this is the one big year that they might be inclined, if ever. And these days Paul is all over the place promoting, and even appeared as a surprise in Times Square and at the Sinatra School. Of course I'm going to have a good time regardless at the Fest, and am not just focusing on the belief that Paul or Ringo will indeed show up.
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