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Post by debjorgo on May 3, 2014 9:47:51 GMT -5
They definitely should have released a deluxe, McCartney solo album style, type treatment to Meet the Beatles. Release an individual double album and a single album with bonus tracks. I think they would have seen more action. The album deserves a deluxe treatment. I still agree with myself here. And why not do the box with the book and a DVD. They could have done each American album on it's anniversary.
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Post by lowbasso on May 3, 2014 18:40:14 GMT -5
My answer to the two questions, one at a time: This isn't quite like 1976 and 2000 for a couple of reasons. First, those two spikes in the interest was driven new compilations, (ROCK AND ROLL MUSIC and 1, respectively), where they are apparently banking the 50th on the re-issue of the American catalog. In '76, EMI/Capitol regained control over the catalog, and started milking the cash cow--a nice promotional budget never hurts. Also, had the two Capitol boxes not come out a few years ago--if this was the debut of those albums on CD--then more interest may have been generated. (Releasing the titles as individual albums instead of in the box MAY help, though.) Second, neither '76 or 2000 were anniversary dates; we can look back at how the 20th, 25th, 30th, 35th and 40th were received by the public, and get a better gauge on how the 50th will be seen. True, there is something to a half-century mark, but I think, in a way, that only serves to cement in a young person--less than 40, let's say--that this is not their music. Second question: I think the albums will chart very well, because they don't have to move as many units now to chart highly as they did even 10 years ago. I am assuming these (save THE BEATLES STORY) will be available for download, but if so I'm not sure these will sell proportionally as many in download format as they will in hard copies, because the nostalgia crowd will be looking for the whole experience of seeing the album jackets (in CD form, it won't quite be the same). But the observation about the "sentimental remembrance" is also what I think will happen. I expect the albums to chart highly in the first couple of weeks, and drop off sharply soon thereafter, as those interested will buy their copies in the first couple of weeks, and the album charts may look like a singles chart in the first half of '64, but I doubt it will be sustained long. I make these predictions and observations now, knowing in three months, we'll have a better handle on it...but then, it won't be predictive at that point, now will it? JcS I didn't come back to this three months after posting it, but we've had enough time to see how my observations and predictions went. 1. The 50th did seem to be a bit like the 25 or 40 year mark, with the exception of the magazines at the newsstand with the Fabs on the cover. I think there was more of it this time than in years past. 2. Banking on the US catalog to be the catalyst was a mistake. 3. These albums did not chart nearly as well as I thought they would--given how few units have to move these days in order to get a good placement, that had to be a disappointment at Capitol/Apple. Yet the type of thing that could have perhaps generated more interest--LET IT BE on DVD, for instance--would not have fit with the overall theme of the first appearance in the USA. 4. They did fall off the charts in a hurry. JcS I'll catch hell for saying this but here goes; 1) Most Beatlefans already have the catalogue from the Remasters; either on CD or ITunes. Only die hard collectors want the Capitol albums, and most of them already have them. 2) Only the severe die hards want everything in existence, which now means holding multiple copies of the same songs. Those collectors are not in great enough numbers that will affect sales or placement in charts. 3) Let It Be, when it comes out on DVD will not be a big seller. I was as big a fan of The Beatles as there was in 1970, and I was disappointed in the film then, as were many other fans. Not sure I want the entire movie on DVD. Much of it is depressing. The rooftop remastered is a different story. That would be great. 4) Looking forward to the re-done AHDN movie this summer on the big screen. That might generate some sales.
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Post by John S. Damm on May 3, 2014 23:14:15 GMT -5
LOL, I didn't realize AHDN was getting the 50th Anniversary treatment! Alas, another collective yawn from the general public.
If they must re-release AHDN, then please colorize it!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 4, 2014 6:28:30 GMT -5
LOL, I didn't realize AHDN was getting the 50th Anniversary treatment! Alas, another collective yawn from the general public. Which is as it should be. Why in the world would you expect anything more than this, 50 years after the fact? The Beatles still do way better than any other musical act that's as old as they are. And they continually gain more and more new teenage fans as compared to any older artist. And this is all that is important. No -- please DON'T (and I'm glad they WON'T). Again, very tough to know when you're being serious or just stirring the pot just for fun. A HARD DAY'S NIGHT works well in its black and white period feel... that's part of its inherent charm and 'documentary' feel.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 4, 2014 6:38:44 GMT -5
3) Let It Be, when it comes out on DVD will not be a big seller. I was as big a fan of The Beatles as there was in 1970, and I was disappointed in the film then, as were many other fans. Not sure I want the entire movie on DVD. Much of it is depressing. The rooftop remastered is a different story. That would be great. I agreed with your other points, but not about LET IT BE not selling well if it's ever released to DVD. It will sell well, I think, especially if it's promoted properly. And as depressing as the film is, I think if they included a lot of bonus footage, the best they could find of The Beatles jamming in the studio during these sessions, it would be much more appealing overall. But even the remastered rooftop concert itself would be a monster. But I am of the feeling that the reason LIB has been forgotten is because of its downbeat nature. And I think that's a damn shame, as The Beatles were human and you need to see the historical account of them drifting apart. The Beatles' image has become far too whitewashed and sugar-coated down over these years, especially with that syrupy "Love" project.
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Post by lowbasso on May 4, 2014 12:54:42 GMT -5
LOL, I didn't realize AHDN was getting the 50th Anniversary treatment! Alas, another collective yawn from the general public. If they must re-release AHDN, then please colorize it! The new print was already screened in Los Angeles a few weeks ago at Turner Classic Movies 2014 Film Festival. Check out Steve's review news on it. Supposed to be pretty good. It will be in theatres in the USA in July. 5.1 sound. And in glorious Black & White.
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Post by John S. Damm on May 4, 2014 12:59:46 GMT -5
LOL, I didn't realize AHDN was getting the 50th Anniversary treatment! Alas, another collective yawn from the general public. If they must re-release AHDN, then please colorize it! The new print was already screened in Los Angeles a few weeks ago at Turner Classic Movies 2014 Film Festival. Check out Steve's review news on it. Supposed to be pretty good. It will be in theatres in the USA in July. 5.1 sound. And in glorious Black & White. So is this a different version than that awful DVD version Martin Lewis was plugging several years ago?
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Post by debjorgo on May 4, 2014 13:07:55 GMT -5
The new print was already screened in Los Angeles a few weeks ago at Turner Classic Movies 2014 Film Festival. Check out Steve's review news on it. Supposed to be pretty good. It will be in theatres in the USA in July. 5.1 sound. And in glorious Black & White. So is this a different version than that awful DVD version Martin Lewis was plugging several years ago? My understanding is the 5.1 sound is the only difference. Now if it had a cd with 5.1 sound as well, I might be interested. I already have the previous release on Blu-ray.
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Post by debjorgo on May 4, 2014 13:09:39 GMT -5
Now if it had a cd with 5.1 sound as well, I might be interested. Or the roof top concert!
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Post by winstonoboogie on May 4, 2014 16:34:00 GMT -5
So is this a different version than that awful DVD version Martin Lewis was plugging several years ago? My understanding is the 5.1 sound is the only difference. Now if it had a cd with 5.1 sound as well, I might be interested. I already have the previous release on Blu-ray. According to Steve's report, the screen ratio is also (finally) corrected as well. I hope it plays somewhere near me!
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Post by debjorgo on May 4, 2014 18:01:59 GMT -5
My understanding is the 5.1 sound is the only difference. Now if it had a cd with 5.1 sound as well, I might be interested. I already have the previous release on Blu-ray. According to Steve's report, the screen ratio is also (finally) corrected as well. I hope it plays somewhere near me! I stand corrected. An early announcement had it as 1.66:1, the same as the last release. It's been corrected to 1.77:1. Attachments:
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 25, 2014 10:50:10 GMT -5
Holy cow, this very recent Beatles' tribute at the Hollywood Bowl sounds awful as led by Dave Stewart and Billy Ray Cirus, the mullet headed dad of Miley! www.ocregister.com/articles/beatles-632629-stewart-dave.htmlThis entire 50th Anniversary thing for the Beatles has been a huge disappointment to me. It proves that you can't force music on people, if they want to hear it they will seek it out.
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Post by joeyself on Aug 27, 2014 14:51:16 GMT -5
This entire 50th Anniversary thing for the Beatles has been a huge disappointment to me. It proves that you can't force music on people, if they want to hear it they will seek it out. I didn't expect much--but I did expect a little more... JcS
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 27, 2014 18:15:05 GMT -5
Billy Ray Cirus? Wonder if they thought he might help to get Miley to show up and sing Lucy in the Sky?
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Post by mikev on Aug 27, 2014 21:01:17 GMT -5
Billy Ray Cirus? Wonder if they thought he might help to get Miley to show up and sing Lucy in the Sky? I thought maybe because he is a lefty...juuuuuussssstttt in case someone showed up....
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 27, 2014 21:54:36 GMT -5
Billy Ray Cirus? Wonder if they thought he might help to get Miley to show up and sing Lucy in the Sky? I thought maybe because he is a lefty...juuuuuussssstttt in case someone showed up.... Juuuuuussssstttt in Bieber?
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Post by mikev on Aug 28, 2014 7:20:01 GMT -5
I thought maybe because he is a lefty...juuuuuussssstttt in case someone showed up.... Juuuuuussssstttt in Bieber? View Attachmentoh please...um...can he really play guitar?
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Post by mikev on Aug 28, 2014 7:23:33 GMT -5
This entire 50th Anniversary thing for the Beatles has been a huge disappointment to me. It proves that you can't force music on people, if they want to hear it they will seek it out. I didn't expect much--but I did expect a little more... JcS I think at the end of the day, the fact that we actually got Paul and Ringo to perform TWICE together within a few days, is about as big as they could have got short of a full concert by the two.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 28, 2014 8:29:19 GMT -5
Wow, here is Steve's article on the debacle at the Hollywood Bowl and Steve has a whole list of scathing reviews and comments! www.examiner.com/article/fans-media-slam-hollywood-bowl-50th-anniversary-beatles-tribute?CID=examiner_alerts_articleDave Stewart must really suck. I know he really disappointed us with his produced Liverpool 8 album for Ringo with the exception of the title song but I was willing to forgive him, it was a Ringo solo album after all, I quit expecting anything from them years ago, but this 50th anniversary crap concert sounds absolutely awful! Dave Stewart has clearly no pull with the A-list Rock and Roll crowd! It is like the re-release of the film AHDN with limited theatrical runs. It created only a small ripple on Beatles Boards with us fanatics and not even all of us bought it or hunted down where it was being shown. The outside world gave a collective YAWN! LOL, so much for that fleeting thought last January that for the next six years we were going to have neat 50th Anniversary Beatles celebrations for: 1. The film Help; 2. Shea Stadium; 3. Revolver; 4. Jesus remark 5. Candlestick(we kind of had one for Macca closing it but that was 48 years ago); 6. SFF/PL 7. SPLHCB 8. All You Need Is Love; 9. Hey Jude/Revolution 10.White Album 11. YS movie 12. Abbey Road 13. Let It Be film. I have concluded that while Beatles music itself is still largely popular, the vast majority of people today don't give a darn about the Beatles cult of personality or old, moldy milestones like the 13 things listed above! But that's where I am at too. I am playing the Beatles music more than ever but just letting it bring me joy and letting Lewisohn's super deluxe Volume I be a nice adornment to my bookshelf and letting the DVDs collect dust. I don't need grainy old B&W film footage help me enjoy the music; in fact those tend to remind me how old the music is, like watching old WW I documentaries.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 28, 2014 8:45:31 GMT -5
Dave Stewart must really suck. I know he really disappointed us with his produced Liverpool 8 album for Ringo with the exception of the title song but I was willing to forgive him, it was a Ringo solo album after all, "Us"? I liked the LIVERPOOL 8 album fine enough, and more than just the title song. So too did some fans I've talked to at another online location. I didn't think it was as good as Y NOT, however. The film is 50 years old, and we live in an age of home video and downloads/uploads/whatevers. Did you really expect AHDN to create a buzz like THE AVENGERS? I think you really have a skewed perspective on this, and all that matters is that The Beatles still bring in many newbies from the young generations. I encounter them on a daily basis on YouTube. The Beatles have more staying power today than any of their contemporaries. There is always interest in them, and they will never die because their music translates so well to a sufficient amount of members in every new generation. You have to get it in your head that it can never be 1964 or 1974 ever again, but at least The Beatles are still vital enough in 2014. Will SPICE WORLD be shown in 50 years? So what? Those types of people will ALWAYS be in a minority when you figure in a whole world population. It doesn't matter at all. When I was at the mass attended NY Fest For Beatles Fans last Februrary, there were fans from 5 to 85, and none of us gave a crap about "the clueless minority". Let them have their Ga Ga, Bieber, and Kanye... where will they be gathering in 50 years to celebrate with like-minded fans? Nowhere, that is where. You need to find the bootlegs with transfers that are not so "old and grainy", then. You should also crack open that Lewisohn book because there is new information, and what was once tired old ground now seems fresh. There are always new Beatles books being written, and there always will be. And that's not because no one wants to know.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 28, 2014 9:43:52 GMT -5
You are right Joe in that I wanted it to be 1964 again last February and I wanted The Beatles to dominate the Billboard 200 with Beatles albums filling the Top 10 including a #1! It did not happen despite all the hype. I am ready to close the door on this 50th anniversary stuff for The Beatles. Dave Stewart helped there with the absolutely worst concert ever put on at the Hollywood Bowl and he has probably done as much damage to the Beatles' street creds as the Bee Gees and Frampton did with that awful Sgt. Pepper movie back in the late 1970's.
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Post by markc on Aug 28, 2014 14:08:53 GMT -5
Joe, do you mean the Marvel Avengers or Diana Rigg and Patrick McNee?
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 28, 2014 17:12:15 GMT -5
50 years from now, nostalgia will be such an outdated concept that people will probably not even know what the word means. Or if it still exists, these days will be viewed for their pop cultural references. "And then Kanye married the girl who had her ass x-rayed to prove it was real."
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Post by joeyself on Dec 27, 2014 23:06:53 GMT -5
So, this week will mark the end of the 50 year stuff. Unless there is a 1964 Bootleg type issue coming in the next few days, it's over.
All in all, what did you think of the way this year unfolded, Beatleswise?
JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 28, 2014 2:55:33 GMT -5
So, this week will mark the end of the 50 year stuff. Unless there is a 1964 Bootleg type issue coming in the next few days, it's over. All in all, what did you think of the way this year unfolded, Beatleswise? JcS Hugely disappointed on sales/chart action for The Beatles, George Harrison's Apple albums and then Paul's V&M and SOS. Paul's charted but you'd never know they were huge #1s in the mid 1970's! And I was absolutely stunned that no Beatles albums hit the Top 10 in Billboard's Top 200. The CBS Tribute way back in February was the height of what little excitement that we had. So no, we in America did not experience another wave of Beatlemania comparable to 1976 and some other waves of it. I wonder if Apple is going to keep running with this 50th thing, for instance 50th anniversary of Shea 1 this Summer 2015?
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Post by theman on Dec 28, 2014 18:16:50 GMT -5
I wonder if Apple is going to keep running with this 50th thing, for instance 50th anniversary of Shea 1 this Summer 2015? Hmmm.....
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Post by theman on Dec 28, 2014 18:18:03 GMT -5
Listening to the "Things We Said Today" podcast this weekend, it seems the answer is no. Someone on the panel "opined" that sources say neither Paul or Ringo like the idea of 50th Anniversary celebrations, as it reminds them--and the public--of how old they are! They were supposedly pulled into the CBS program--maybe a bit reluctantly--as it was hard to ignore the truly historical moment that the Ed Sullivan show represented. But, it appears, they will steer clear of other 50th anniversary moments over the next few years (maybe with the exception of Pepper?)
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 28, 2014 18:39:09 GMT -5
Thanks The Man, for finding that info. Probably a good call by Paul and Ringo.
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