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Post by lowbasso on Jan 29, 2014 19:47:01 GMT -5
Ken Ehrlich, who also produced the Grammys broadcast, is the producer of the CBS tribute. The Concert for George worked so well because it was put together by friends and associates of George, who performed out of love for their dear friend. The CBS tribute is about ratings. Looked him up and he has been a television producer since 1974, so he's been around for awhile. Did the 2012 Grammy's which had the highest ratings ever. So you are right about the ratings being the chief motivation. Too bad he didn't round up more acts from the 60's and 70's for The Beatles Tribute Special. If the Letterman segment from New York is being added to the special, maybe there will be interviews with old rockers from the 60's whom The Beatles influenced? Or some fans that attended the first Ed Sullivan Show? Or were out at JFK Airport to greet The Beatles? Or hung out around The Plaza that weekend, or were at The Peppermint Lounge where The Beatles went to celebrate after the first Ed Sullivan Show? Last night on the American TV Show "Access Hollywood", they interviewed Cynthia Lennon, who recalled that very pretty young blonde women were escorted up to the suite in The Plaza where The Beatles were staying that weekend. Huh? They also interviewed Ringo, who upon being told of Cynthia's remark looked quizzical and said "There certainly weren't any in my room!"
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 29, 2014 22:25:34 GMT -5
Ken Ehrlich, who also produced the Grammys broadcast, is the producer of the CBS tribute. The Concert for George worked so well because it was put together by friends and associates of George, who performed out of love for their dear friend. The CBS tribute is about ratings. Looked him up and he has been a television producer since 1974, so he's been around for awhile. Did the 2012 Grammy's which had the highest ratings ever. So you are right about the ratings being the chief motivation. Too bad he didn't round up more acts from the 60's and 70's for The Beatles Tribute Special. If the Letterman segment from New York is being added to the special, maybe there will be interviews with old rockers from the 60's whom The Beatles influenced? Or some fans that attended the first Ed Sullivan Show? Or were out at JFK Airport to greet The Beatles? Or hung out around The Plaza that weekend, or were at The Peppermint Lounge where The Beatles went to celebrate after the first Ed Sullivan Show? Last night on the American TV Show "Access Hollywood", they interviewed Cynthia Lennon, who recalled that very pretty young blonde women were escorted up to the suite in The Plaza where The Beatles were staying that weekend. Huh? They also interviewed Ringo, who upon being told of Cynthia's remark looked quizzical and said "There certainly weren't any in my room!" Yeah, Ringo was like John. He preferred the dark haired girls.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 30, 2014 6:46:02 GMT -5
Yeah, Ringo was like John. He preferred the dark haired girls. All kidding aside, John preferred blondes in his early days... his big crush was Brigette Bardot. I think Cynthia even dyed her hair blonde to emulate Bardot (or someone did) for John.
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Post by joeyself on Jan 30, 2014 14:18:37 GMT -5
I gave my macro prediction before, here is the micro one--the hottest selling of the individual titles will be YESTERDAY AND TODAY. Logic dictates that since it was not included in the box sets, yet is most closely associated with the butcher jobs we got in the USA because of the cover, it will be the one to chart the highest. I remembered writing this, so I went to Amazon--which is NOT the Billboard chart I deem to be the official one for the USA--just to get an idea as to which of the individual titles were selling the most. As of this minute, and that chart is updated by the hour, the box was at number 10, HEY JUDE was 30 and Y&T was at 33. Yesterday, Y&T was a bit ahead of HJ (a slot or two). The only other individual title I saw in the top 100 was AHDN. REVOLVER, the only other disc not in the first two Capitol boxes that is available individually was 183. I spot checked a couple of others; MEET THE BEATLES was at 211 and VI was 682. This is by no means anything from which to make broad sweeping statements with any degree of authority; still, it does appear that those that want the whole package are buying it, and those that just want to complete the first two Capitol boxes are doing that, but not as eagerly on AHDN and REVOLVER. The latter is clearly a rip-off, the former can be so classified unless one likes the instrumental tracks. JcS And I was wrong on my micro prediction, at least this week--HEY JUDE edged Y&T 2 slots: Hey Jude #72, Yesterday & Today #74. Doesn't mean it will end up with HEY JUDE moving more units, but for now, it has... JcS
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Post by joeyself on Jan 30, 2014 14:34:40 GMT -5
February 9, 2014 is the 50th anniversary of The Beatles' debut on the Ed Sullivan Show where they captured the heart of American Youth in one night. We have had B.B.C. 2, 1963 Bootleg Series on iTunes, and Capitol Records is releasing the entire U.S. Beatles catalog in one box. There are special shows on the networks planned to mark the Beatles 50th Anniversary on these shores. Question: Is the United States set for another wave of post-breakup Beatlemania like we experienced in 1976 and 2000, as just two years where the Beatles were very popular? Will the Beatles albums hit the top of the Billboard 200 or will this just be a sentimental remembrance for us older fans? My answer to the two questions, one at a time: This isn't quite like 1976 and 2000 for a couple of reasons. First, those two spikes in the interest was driven new compilations, (ROCK AND ROLL MUSIC and 1, respectively), where they are apparently banking the 50th on the re-issue of the American catalog. In '76, EMI/Capitol regained control over the catalog, and started milking the cash cow--a nice promotional budget never hurts. Also, had the two Capitol boxes not come out a few years ago--if this was the debut of those albums on CD--then more interest may have been generated. (Releasing the titles as individual albums instead of in the box MAY help, though.) Second, neither '76 or 2000 were anniversary dates; we can look back at how the 20th, 25th, 30th, 35th and 40th were received by the public, and get a better gauge on how the 50th will be seen. True, there is something to a half-century mark, but I think, in a way, that only serves to cement in a young person--less than 40, let's say--that this is not their music. Second question: I think the albums will chart very well, because they don't have to move as many units now to chart highly as they did even 10 years ago. I am assuming these (save THE BEATLES STORY) will be available for download, but if so I'm not sure these will sell proportionally as many in download format as they will in hard copies, because the nostalgia crowd will be looking for the whole experience of seeing the album jackets (in CD form, it won't quite be the same). But the observation about the "sentimental remembrance" is also what I think will happen. I expect the albums to chart highly in the first couple of weeks, and drop off sharply soon thereafter, as those interested will buy their copies in the first couple of weeks, and the album charts may look like a singles chart in the first half of '64, but I doubt it will be sustained long. I make these predictions and observations now, knowing in three months, we'll have a better handle on it...but then, it won't be predictive at that point, now will it? JcS Looking back on this prediction, I suppose it's a matter of interpretation if these numbers could be said to have charted "very well": US Albums box set debuts at #48 on Billboard Hot 200. Hey Jude #72 Yesterday & Today #74 "1" #84 A Hard Day's Night #102 Revolver #143 Rubber Soul #170 Meet The Beatles #171 1 jumped from 149 to 84. The others are listed as "debut" albums even though all had chart histories from decades ago--and that makes sense. I've not seen anything about the number of units moved, but I think Springsteen topped the chart last week with just under 100,000 units of HIGH HOPES sold. No question in my mind that the availability of the individual titles at the same time as the box hampered the chart performance of both. Few would buy a box AND some individual titles; at the same time, whoever bought the box actually did buy the individual discs, just all at once, but the box got credit for chart purposes. JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 30, 2014 15:10:48 GMT -5
Yes, Bruce Springsteen had yet another Billboard 200 #1 at his advanced age which gives me zero tolerance for the ever present excuses on why Paul, who tries harder than Springsteen to have #1's, cannot do it. I am kind of impressed at seeing the Beatles Box at #48 since it is at least $159.99 or higher! I am horribly disappointed at the lame responses of the individual Beatles American albums. If Meet The Beatles can't climb to the Top 10 at this historic moment in time then forget about it. Bring on the 50th of SPLHCB!
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Post by joeyself on Jan 30, 2014 16:40:59 GMT -5
I am kind of impressed at seeing the Beatles Box at #48 since it is at least $159.99 or higher! I am horribly disappointed at the lame responses of the individual Beatles American albums. If Meet The Beatles can't climb to the Top 10 at this historic moment in time then forget about it. I don't know what Capitol was expecting, chartwise and saleswise, for the first week, but I agree with you that it is a nice showing at that price. But will it have legs, or will it drop like a stone next week? I think the second scenario is more likely, because of all the pre-orders figuring into this week's chart action. In other words, the bulk of those that were going to buy it probably already have. As I said above, how many units of the box were sold will represent the number of individual units that WEREN'T. Yes, I know some bought the box and some individual titles for whatever reasons they have to do so, but by and large, it was an either/or. I would like to know what Capitol expected this time. Of all the discs that might get a boost in a couple of weeks, I'd expect MEET THE BEATLES to be it. I can't see it making the Top 10 on the overall chart, though. I also saw this on Facebook in the same thread where I got the chart info above: "In the Billboard Catalog Album Chart, Hey Jude is #2, "Yesterday..." and Today #3, "1" is #6, A Hard Day's Night O.S.T. is #7 and Revolver is #18." I think what that is telling me is that 70 of the 71 albums in front of HEY JUDE aren't considered "catalog," but I could be wrong; I'm not that familiar with Billboard's methods of making a chart these days. JcS
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 30, 2014 18:28:25 GMT -5
They definitely should have released a deluxe, McCartney solo album style, type treatment to Meet the Beatles. Release an individual double album and a single album with bonus tracks. I think they would have seen more action.
The album deserves a deluxe treatment.
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 30, 2014 22:07:11 GMT -5
Excellent Documentary on CNN! THANK YOU TOM HANKS! Great clips from many bands and artists. Dave Clark interview! Wow! Hadn't seen him in years! Howlin Wolf excerpt! Love how Tom kept bringing the story back to The Beatles! Why didn't CBS let Tom produce their Beatles Tribute!
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 30, 2014 23:31:53 GMT -5
It became obvious from the title of the show that this was one segment of a documentary on the 1960's made by Hanks and this segment, "The British Invasion" was rushed and shown out of order to capitalize on the Beatles big anniversary. The rest, including this episode, will be shown in May. I didn't realize that until the end of the show.
I loved the performances from the 1960's. I disliked some of the comtemporary interviews especially from Graham Nash and Jann Wenner.
I have never seen that clip of Ringo(in color) sitting at the recording table in Abbey Road studio. It was early 1968 it appears.
It was a good show.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 31, 2014 5:45:12 GMT -5
I enjoyed the CNN British Invasion show. Only critique was that it felt rushed and I wished it would have run two hours. But still a good show.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 31, 2014 5:53:51 GMT -5
Yes, Bruce Springsteen had yet another Billboard 200 #1 at his advanced age which gives me zero tolerance for the ever present excuses on why Paul, who tries harder than Springsteen to have #1's, cannot do it. I hear you. I can't ever understand this either... but I certainly can't fault Paul for it. Well, the only thing is perhaps the timing of his albums... the NEW album was released along with new records from Katy Perry, Pearl Jam, and Miley Cyrus... maybe Paul could have planned it when there was no such popular modern competition. I agree that THE U.S. BOX is pretty impressive at #48 ... that's still another "Top 50" release for The Fabs. I would never have predicted that this same old material in the form of the oft-chided US releases could get that high. I don't know what you mean about "then forget about it" regarding MEET THE BEATLES. The Beatles' Legacy still is incredible at this point in time, and they still have more impressive modern sales than anyone else of their era; even if MTB fails to hit the Top Ten! How is the "1" compilation doing? I keep seeing TV ads for it.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 31, 2014 6:03:55 GMT -5
True, there is something to a half-century mark, but I think, in a way, that only serves to cement in a young person--less than 40, let's say--that this is not their music. This is why I have a thread going featuring new younger fans' videos who love The Beatles today and have impressive collections. It's just not true that "young people feel it's not their music" as something all-conclusive.
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 31, 2014 9:20:51 GMT -5
I enjoyed the CNN British Invasion show. Only critique was that it felt rushed and I wished it would have run two hours. But still a good show. I agree Joe. The last 10 minutes felt rushed as they talked about Rubber Soul and Pepper. 1968 and 1969 were not even discussed ie. Woodstock et al. Could have and should have been a two hour program. Tom Hanks is a class act and knows his stuff. Saw some great clips I had never seen before.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 31, 2014 11:07:10 GMT -5
I enjoyed the CNN British Invasion show. Only critique was that it felt rushed and I wished it would have run two hours. But still a good show. I agree Joe. The last 10 minutes felt rushed as they talked about Rubber Soul and Pepper. 1968 and 1969 were not even discussed ie. Woodstock et al. Could have and should have been a two hour program. Tom Hanks is a class act and knows his stuff. Saw some great clips I had never seen before. The show was titled, The Sixties: The British Invasion. As I write above, there is a whole series by Hanks on the 1960's coming to CNN in May. This was just one installment that was rushed out early to capitalize on the Beatles 50th anniversary coming to America. I agree with you fellows 100% that this episode took on too much and got away from the "British Invasion" theme as titled. Segments on Dylan, James Brown and the Beach Boys are absolutely crucial to the 1960's music scene as a whole but this was supposed to be about the BI. What I liked was the film showed that there were other kick-ass British bands and while The Fabs were the first, they weren't the only ones. That is the very point made at the Grammys by former Nirvana bassist Krist Novoselic who had the guts, with a beaming Macca standing right there, to interrupt Grohl and say there were more groups than The Beatles that caused Nirvana to have existed, including The Rolling Stones. . Songs like "(I Can't Get No)Satisfaction," "My Generation," "You Really Got Me" and even "Glad All Over"(all shown performed last night) are every bit as good, and maybe even better, than any Beatles' song from the time so it was good the documentary reminded us fans that The Beatles were not alone.
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Post by joeyself on Jan 31, 2014 14:36:52 GMT -5
They definitely should have released a deluxe, McCartney solo album style, type treatment to Meet the Beatles. Release an individual double album and a single album with bonus tracks. I think they would have seen more action. The album deserves a deluxe treatment. Not that I'd want to buy stuff I already own again, but there are some ways to do such a box that would just seem natural. I think it--and others--would be based on the UK versions, but have the US equivalent included in the box. For instance, WITH THE BEATLES would include the US version of MEET, a CD single with the two singles between PLEASE PLEASE ME and WTB, and then outtakes from the sessions that produced WTB. And so on for the catalog. JcS
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Post by debjorgo on Feb 2, 2014 9:08:22 GMT -5
They are doing a special on the Beatles right now on CBS News Sunday. Klaus Voorman is going to be a guest.
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Post by debjorgo on Feb 2, 2014 9:55:49 GMT -5
On CBS News Sunday, they just showed a poll of Who is your favorite Beatle?
Paul McCartney 35% John Lennon 29% Ringo Starr 11% George Harrison 8%
Paul beating John and Ringo beating George really surprises me.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Feb 2, 2014 12:03:21 GMT -5
On CBS News Sunday, they just showed a poll of Who is your favorite Beatle? Paul McCartney 35% John Lennon 29% Ringo Starr 11% George Harrison 8% Paul beating John and Ringo beating George really surprises me. Why? Look who's still around. Many of those polled probably watched the Grammies and didn't even know John or George were Beatles. I'm surprised it was so close.
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Post by debjorgo on Feb 2, 2014 12:22:39 GMT -5
John's been traditionally at the top or neck and neck with Paul. George just had the Living in the Material World special for Showtime. I would have thought that would have pushed him up quite a bit. The name Ringo sticks with you though.
If they'd posed the question to just Beatle fans, I'd think the results would have been different.
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Post by lowbasso on Feb 2, 2014 20:52:14 GMT -5
Just saw Paul stuffing his face with pizza in a Suite at The Super Bowl. So he's in New York now for Beatle week. Probably going to go to Ed Sullivan Theatre to film interview with Ringo and Letterman for CBS Show airing next Sunday. Hey Paul; c'mon over to Beatlefest on Saturday and visit with your old fans.
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Post by lowbasso on Feb 3, 2014 0:40:20 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 3, 2014 9:42:14 GMT -5
On CBS News Sunday, they just showed a poll of Who is your favorite Beatle? Paul McCartney 35% John Lennon 29% Ringo Starr 11% George Harrison 8% Paul beating John and Ringo beating George really surprises me. This doesn't surprise me at all, and would be just what I'd expect. Paul is out front since he's always the most active and most popular -- with John second in his shadow -- and George last because he has always been the Invisible One. Ringo exceeds George because he's more recognized, I think. I'm pretty sure George will always be the forgotten Beatle. By the way, none of the above is meant as any indication of their musical abilities. George would come in ahead of Ringo easily if this was just about their music.
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Post by debjorgo on Feb 3, 2014 10:14:26 GMT -5
On CBS News Sunday, they just showed a poll of Who is your favorite Beatle? Paul McCartney 35% John Lennon 29% Ringo Starr 11% George Harrison 8% Paul beating John and Ringo beating George really surprises me. Huh, it only adds up to 83%. I guess 17% prefer Keith.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 3, 2014 16:12:11 GMT -5
Hey Paul; c'mon over to Beatlefest on Saturday and visit with your old fans. -- and Paul, if you can't make it on Saturday, you can come on either Friday or Sunday!
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Post by joeyself on Feb 3, 2014 16:14:31 GMT -5
On CBS News Sunday, they just showed a poll of Who is your favorite Beatle? Paul McCartney 35% John Lennon 29% Ringo Starr 11% George Harrison 8% Paul beating John and Ringo beating George really surprises me. Huh, it only adds up to 83%. I guess 17% prefer Keith. Pete Best, Stu Sutcliffe, Jimmy Nicol, and Murray The K split the other 17%, maybe? JcS
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Feb 3, 2014 20:19:05 GMT -5
Interestingly, that poll indicated that men prefer John 35% to 29%, women prefer Paul 40% to 24%.
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Post by lowbasso on Feb 3, 2014 23:55:12 GMT -5
From Steve; For NYC Fans. It is now the beginning of the big week preceding the 50th Anniversaries starting on Friday. •"Twist & Shout: New York Celebrates the Beatles,": with Dionne Warwick, Mary Wilson, Lulu, Lloyd Price, Bettye LaVette, Gary U.S. Bonds, actor Melvin Van Peebles; actor Danny Aiello, actress/singer Leslie Uggams & more, 7:30 p.m. Feb. 6, Apollo Theater, N.Y. •"America Celebrates the Beatles," 7:30 p.m. Feb. 8, with Tommy James, Al Jardine (Beach Boys), Gene Cornish (Rascals), Fred Schneider (B-52s), Marshall Crenshaw and more. Website link: www.nycfab50.com/TownHall.htm . Tickets at Ticketmaster. 100% of net proceeds from ticket sales benefit the The Autism Think Tank & The Children's Music Fund. •Fest for Beatles Fans, Feb. 7-9, 2014, Grand Hyatt Hotel, New York City, with guests Donovan, Peter Asher, Billy J. Kramer, Cousin Brucie and more. Information: www.thefest.comPaul is in town. Spotted at The Super Bowl. Ringo coming at some point to film interview with Paul and David Letterman at The Ed Sullivan Theatre where it all started 50 years ago this Sunday.
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 4, 2014 2:13:27 GMT -5
Hey, when is the Letterman spot!? I had read he wanted them Friday, February 7, 2014 as that is the 50th anniversary of them arriving at JFK since his show is not broadcast on Sundays which is the actual 1st Sullivan anniversary.
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Post by lowbasso on Feb 4, 2014 13:25:48 GMT -5
Hey, when is the Letterman spot!? I had read he wanted them Friday, February 7, 2014 as that is the 50th anniversary of them arriving at JFK since his show is not broadcast on Sundays which is the actual 1st Sullivan anniversary. The Letterman interview with Paul & Ringo in the Ed Sullivan Theatre may not show up on his show. It is supposedly being taped to be aired on the CBS special next Sunday night. Letterman's band is playing all Beatles music this week on his show I believe. They did so last night.
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