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Post by markc on Aug 29, 2014 14:56:29 GMT -5
What's the latest on this new product? bonus tracks? Live video? Release date?
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 29, 2014 17:19:32 GMT -5
Steve's site doesn't have it yet but wogblog has the breakdown. I don't think it's official yet, but: wogew.blogspot.com/
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Post by joeyself on Aug 30, 2014 9:49:25 GMT -5
I saw Steve had a post on Facebook linking to an Examiner column. 7 discs (well, 8, since ATMP is a double), a book and a DVD, all for about 145 USD. I'm thinking that there are four of those discs I'd play once for quality control--WONDERWALL, ELECTRONIC SOUND, DARK HORSE and EXTRA TEXTURE--and then never bother to listen to again. I already have a good CD of ATMP. I'll have to be convinced that book and DVD are something really special before I fork out any of my retirement money on this.
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Post by markc on Aug 30, 2014 10:45:13 GMT -5
Dark Horse Years set ended up offering DVD separately but I don't remember how much later.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 30, 2014 12:42:58 GMT -5
Mark, I did a quick look yesterday and there was nothing I found on the official Apple Records site but other sites had unofficial info. The Beatles Rarity site has a great write-up but it emphasizes that nothing is official yet on a DVD or maybe a CD of bonus audio material.
Still, the Apple George box is coming and I am kind of excited about it. Electronic Sound is crap, I actually paid huge bucks for the vinyl as a 16 year old and was pissed when I played it but Board Member vectisfabber and some others like McCabe have been praising Wonderwall for years and I do want Dark Horse and Extra Texture in better sonics than what we have now, the 1992 version or whatever!
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Post by theman on Aug 30, 2014 13:55:45 GMT -5
Have no interest in purchasing the box set, as buying ATMP and LITMW twice is enough for me. Would like the DVD though, but without really knowing what's on it, definately NOT worth taking the plunge. Probably would buy the DH and ET sets separately, if available that way.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 30, 2014 16:06:15 GMT -5
I'm another one who has already bought two copies of All Things Must Pass and Living in the Material World. I got the initial releases and the deluxe double sets a few years later. Still, I can't pass up another little square box of George Harrison material, even if I already have the music. I hope it's the same size as the Dark Horse set.
I haven't heard the first two discs. What I have heard doesn't empress me. They are not up there with the Unfinished Music series.
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Post by markc on Aug 30, 2014 16:11:06 GMT -5
Looks like it has that same garage door on the front.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 30, 2014 16:26:43 GMT -5
Well, they are not jewel cases. They are just the miniature LP digisleeve jackets from the looks of them. I'd prefer they were the digipaks with the cd tray.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 31, 2014 6:37:24 GMT -5
A posting on Facebook from George Harrison: "Check back on the 2nd September for an exciting announcement!"
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 31, 2014 13:09:05 GMT -5
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Post by stavros on Aug 31, 2014 15:10:02 GMT -5
The Dark Horse box set was excellent and I snapped it up.
But I am a bit undecided on this as I already own all of the post Beatles CDs and Wonderwall and Electronic Sound are not really part of George's main body of work (IMHO) and simply experiments with sound. Dark Horse and Extra Texture are also lacking in quality.
A better mix may improve them though. I was very impressed with how much better the re-releases of "Walls and Bridges" and "Mind Games" sounded from John's catalogue.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 31, 2014 17:36:52 GMT -5
The Dark Horse box set was excellent and I snapped it up. But I am a bit undecided on this as I already own all of the post Beatles CDs and Wonderwall and Electronic Sound are not really part of George's main body of work (IMHO) and simply experiments with sound. Dark Horse and Extra Texture are also lacking in quality. A better mix may improve them though. I was very impressed with how much better the re-releases of "Walls and Bridges" and "Mind Games" sounded from John's catalogue. Lennon did release remixes but I thought this Harrison release was just remasters. Which means they are supposed to sound like the original albums, just cleaned up, more detail. I always pick on the sax in George's music. He'd bring in a player and they'd play on everything, instead of thinking this particular section could use some sax. A remaster is not going to fix that. It's not going to mix down a sax that's blaring on every track, which is what Extra Texture and Dark Horse need. I didn't buy those albums when they were new and I haven't listened to the CDs for some time. But sax (and gazoos) seemed to be a large part of the problem.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 1, 2014 4:09:00 GMT -5
As the old timers here may remember, I use to hate the use of horns on Rock and Roll songs. Then it dawned on me, I don't hate horns in general as the Stones use them to great effect on things like Exile and Bruce Springsteen can really incorporate horns into his music.
Therein lies the problem: George Harrison, John Lennon and even Paul McCartney don't know how the hell to use horns in their music! They must write songs that swing like the Stones and The Boss but they don't!
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 1, 2014 18:27:50 GMT -5
As the old timers here may remember, I use to hate the use of horns on Rock and Roll songs. Then it dawned on me, I don't hate horns in general as the Stones use them to great effect on things like Exile and Bruce Springsteen can really incorporate horns into his music. Therein lies the problem: George Harrison, John Lennon and even Paul McCartney don't know how the hell to use horns in their music! They must write songs that swing like the Stones and The Boss but they don't! So "Got To Get You Into My Life" and "Penny Lane" are not great songs?
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 1, 2014 21:22:13 GMT -5
It should be announced officially this week and all the details straightened out.
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Post by OldFred on Sept 2, 2014 8:45:45 GMT -5
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Post by coachbk on Sept 2, 2014 10:46:00 GMT -5
As the old timers here may remember, I use to hate the use of horns on Rock and Roll songs. Then it dawned on me, I don't hate horns in general as the Stones use them to great effect on things like Exile and Bruce Springsteen can really incorporate horns into his music. Therein lies the problem: George Harrison, John Lennon and even Paul McCartney don't know how the hell to use horns in their music! They must write songs that swing like the Stones and The Boss but they don't! Got To Get You Into My Life Penny Lane Savoy Truffle Hari's On Tour Express Listen To What The Man Said New York City Several songs on ALL THINGS MUST PASS I could go on, but I think that John, Paul, and George could all use horns well in their songs.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 2, 2014 12:37:40 GMT -5
I was referring to solo music(thus my naming individually J,P&G) and I was referring to the use of horns for rock and roll songs, not pseudo-classical style like Penny Lane. GTGYIML is a pretty good use of horns, that swings. When I hear horns I want to swing man. It must be danceable, that's what good horns do, make you want to get off your ass! George and John don''t have many solo swing songs. Think of the use of horns on "Scared," maybe my best example. The horns sound sick and maybe they are supposed to. But that ain't swinging man! You can't dance to Scared. I wish John wouldn't have used horns on any of W&B because those aren't swinging songs. They are great songs but not for dancing so leave the horns off is my point. You can't dance to anything on Extra Texture or even ATMP where horns are used, so keep them off and give us plenty of that guitar, George! Paul did do pretty well on "Listen To What The Man Says," that swings. But when I hear saxes and other horns on pop record I want to swing man! The pseudo-classical use for Penny Lane and French Horn on "For No One" are great too. But I think John, George and to a lesser extent Paul thought that if they put horns on their solo albums it would make a fuller sound and be more rock and roll. Mostly they did not. It made for a cluttered production when guitars and piano is all they ever needed.
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Post by markc on Sept 2, 2014 12:40:10 GMT -5
I think the sax is pretty good on You and Whatever gets You through the Night.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 2, 2014 15:35:37 GMT -5
I have no interest in this, and will pass. I have all George's regular studio album CDs already, and even sprucing up the quality on these new releases will not help DARK HORSE or EXTRA TEXTURE, which I feel are two of his worst albums. These days I am heavily into collecting Vinyl, and I have already acquired LPs for ELECTRONIC SOUND and WONDERWALL.
What I want are more nuggets along the lines of EARLY TAKES VOLUME 1, and especially more video material, like an official DVD of the entire 1991 Live In Japan performance... even if they have to utilize songs from multiple concerts to make a decent release.
By the way -- my apologies if this has been already discussed and I missed it -- but the real item of interest to me in that link are the photos of John Lennon from the 1980 DOUBLE FANTASY SESSIONS, possibly meaning that some of that footage survives!!
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 2, 2014 16:34:55 GMT -5
Hey, I don't think anyone mentioned this but will Dark Horse and Extra Texture be available individually like the Dark Horse Record albums were? And is the ATMP identical to the 2000 re-issued version or is it a more current remastering? I guess the same question for LITMW.
I hope this sells well because the Harrison Estate may need some convincing that there is a demand for Hari product like a DVD set of the 1974 Dark Horse Tour and the 1991 Japan Tour.
I think I will buy this box and I bet we'll see some decent prices for it.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 2, 2014 17:16:51 GMT -5
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 2, 2014 17:37:51 GMT -5
As the old timers here may remember, I use to hate the use of horns on Rock and Roll songs. Then it dawned on me, I don't hate horns in general as the Stones use them to great effect on things like Exile and Bruce Springsteen can really incorporate horns into his music. Therein lies the problem: George Harrison, John Lennon and even Paul McCartney don't know how the hell to use horns in their music! They must write songs that swing like the Stones and The Boss but they don't! Got To Get You Into My Life Penny Lane Savoy Truffle Hari's On Tour Express Listen To What The Man Said New York City Several songs on ALL THINGS MUST PASS I could go on, but I think that John, Paul, and George could all use horns well in their songs. I'm certainly not referring to anything George Martin had anything to do with, or Phil Spector for that matter. Paul's musical ear has always been good too. I checked out Hari from the list above and it's pretty good. I was thinking I would re-access Dark Horse and Extra Texture. I'd wait for the box set. But thanks to markc for reminding me of You. It is the biggest, best example of a song smothered with unnecessary sax that there is. And I've dogged Sometime in New York City enough over the years. But the individual songs aren't that bad. It is just the album as a whole wears on you after a while. Again, there's a sax player in the band and he plays on everything with apparently no direction from the songwriters/producers of the album.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 2, 2014 17:39:36 GMT -5
I think I will buy this box and I bet we'll see some decent prices for it. You could always have a look at your "friend"'s copy before you decide to buy!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 2, 2014 18:31:15 GMT -5
I hope this sells well because the Harrison Estate may need some convincing that there is a demand for Hari product like a DVD set of the 1974 Dark Horse Tour and the 1991 Japan Tour.. I've always found that logic silly (I don't mean coming from you, JSD) . The same thing occurs with getting certain movies released onto DVD... sometimes the owners think: "Well, if 'A' did not sell, than neither will 'B' " --- but did they ever consider that some people will not want 'A' but would jump on the chance to purchase 'B'?? This would be like Apple re-re-re-re-releasing the Beatles 13 albums again, and if they're not bought in droves, thinking "well, I guess people aren't interested in Promo Videos or LET IT BE!".
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 3, 2014 21:02:55 GMT -5
I have no interest in this, and will pass. I have all George's regular studio album CDs already, and even sprucing up the quality on these new releases will not help DARK HORSE or EXTRA TEXTURE, which I feel are two of his worst albums. These days I am heavily into collecting Vinyl, and I have already acquired LPs for ELECTRONIC SOUND and WONDERWALL. What I want are more nuggets along the lines of EARLY TAKES VOLUME 1, and especially more video material, like an official DVD of the entire 1991 Live In Japan performance... even if they have to utilize songs from multiple concerts to make a decent release. By the way -- my apologies if this has been already discussed and I missed it -- but the real item of interest to me in that link are the photos of John Lennon from the 1980 DOUBLE FANTASY SESSIONS, possibly meaning that some of that footage survives!! Did I read somewhere that Jack Douglas once said John ran through some early Beatles classics (circa 1964) during the Double Fantasy sessions and they existed on tape? Can't recall if Jack said the tapes were erased, or they still exist out there somewhere. It was also said somewhere recently (originating back to Linda McCartney?) that John indicated to someone late in 1980 that he planned to contact Paul sometime in 1981 about getting together to write some new material with him. I thought of these things recently when the scumbag in Attica came up for a new parole hearing, and they just break my heart over the "What ifs".....
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 3, 2014 21:22:31 GMT -5
Did I read somewhere that Jack Douglas once said John ran through some early Beatles classics (circa 1964) during the Double Fantasy sessions and they existed on tape? Can't recall if Jack said the tapes were erased, or they still exist out there somewhere. The audio is out there among collectors (I'd estimate it's 30 -45 minutes). I have it on a CD called "Filming The Fantasies". It was first discovered in the late '80s on a vinyl called BEFOREPLAY (which I also had at the time). These releases featured only John's jamming vocals prominently, but not the music. I have since heard versions of some songs where the musicians are also featured. The performances are rather clumsy and ad-libbed, but they are improved when you can hear the band playing, and not just John's vocal. The only Beatles song I have heard is John goofing around on a jam of "She's A Woman". He keeps getting persuaded into that number by the other musicians, and he plays along and sings for awhile, but ultimately says "C'mon, get outta there - that's the Sixties.. I come from the Fifties!". The vocal on the tape is rather crude, not very flattering (at least John's vocal alone without the full musicianship behind him).
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Post by mikev on Sept 3, 2014 22:01:57 GMT -5
Did I read somewhere that Jack Douglas once said John ran through some early Beatles classics (circa 1964) during the Double Fantasy sessions and they existed on tape? Can't recall if Jack said the tapes were erased, or they still exist out there somewhere. The audio is out there among collectors (I'd estimate it's 30 -45 minutes). I have it on a CD called "Filming The Fantasies". It was first discovered in the late '80s on a vinyl called BEFOREPLAY (which I also had at the time). These releases featured only John's jamming vocals prominently, but not the music. I have since heard versions of some songs where the musicians are also featured. The performances are rather clumsy and ad-libbed, but they are improved when you can hear the band playing, and not just John's vocal. The only Beatles song I have heard is John goofing around on a jam of "She's A Woman". He keeps getting persuaded into that number by the other musicians, and he plays along and sings for awhile, but ultimately says "C'mon, get outta there - that's the Sixties.. I come from the Fifties!". The vocal on the tape is rather crude, not very flattering (at least John's vocal alone without the full musicianship behind him). I've heard those clips Joe, but I think Douglas was referring to actual rehearsals of Lennon Beatle songs. I guess we'll never know for sure.
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Post by Snookeroo on Sept 6, 2014 10:01:43 GMT -5
Sometimes I really miss the days when someone released an album and that was IT. That was the album for all eternity. Then if you scored a bootleg with some outtakes it was a cool listen.
Being a completest collector as I truly was has become impossible unless you're rich, and a bit crazy/stupid.
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