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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 3, 2014 12:53:14 GMT -5
My George Apple Box just got here! I won't be able to really explore it and play the music until tomorrow though.
Well, I've waited 45 years to own Wonderwall so I can wait one more night to play it.
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Post by OldFred on Oct 4, 2014 10:09:37 GMT -5
My George Apple Box just got here! I won't be able to really explore it and play the music until tomorrow though. Well, I've waited 45 years to own Wonderwall so I can wait one more night to play it. I think you're goi to enjoy Wonderwall, Johnny. Of the two earlier George releases it's certainly the most listenable, and the backing track of Inner Light is quite nice.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 4, 2014 12:10:23 GMT -5
My George Apple Box just got here! I won't be able to really explore it and play the music until tomorrow though. Well, I've waited 45 years to own Wonderwall so I can wait one more night to play it. I think you're goi to enjoy Wonderwall, Johnny. Of the two earlier George releases it's certainly the most listenable, and the backing track of Inner Light is quite nice. I agree Fred! I am excited about Wonderwall and finally the more modern sonics on DH and ET. I have read though that hardcore George fans are very, very disappointed with the DVD and to a lesser degree the bonus songs. I worried when the record company boasted of a seven (7) minute film.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 6, 2014 10:01:25 GMT -5
I sat down this weekend with the new George Harrison Apple Years Box Set and the Box itself is just like George's early solo career that it covers, some huge hits and some clear misses.
Electronic Sound is beautifully packaged with the original artwork and some extensive writing including from Dhani Harrison. But how can the talking heads write that much about this album? It sounds like a bunch of electronic farts and belches to me. It scared my dog as I was listening to it.
Wonderwall was much better and I really enjoyed the music on it. It too is packaged lovely and the new liner notes were interesting. This was kind of a surprise hit to me although I saw the film a few years ago so I wasn't totally caught off guard as to the music but it works as an album.
No real surprises with ATMP but it is great to get the 2001 re-masters in packaging that restores the original artwork. These two discs sound good but this was a lost opportunity as to additional bonus tracks. As we all know by now, this uses the exact same bonus tracks as the 2001 re-issue. And did Paul Hicks further re-master these tracks or are they same as 2001(really 2000 as this re-issue came out in January 2001). Let's face it, 2000 is a long time ago so these ATMP tracks could have been improved upon from even then. I don't know right now if they were. My big complaint though is the lack of more bonus tracks. Why not give us all of the Beware Of ABKCO tracks in pristine condition?
The DVD is the biggest miss thus far for me. It runs about 31 minutes I think. The only thing brand new is the 7:28 medley video summarizing with music the albums in the Box. It is colorful and catchy but a huge tease. This Box deserved a 90 to 120 minute DVD documentary as well as the Bangladesh film and album for that matter. There is a 30 second or so TV promo for the Dark Horse album from 1974 but I am sure video collectors have seen that. ET is not represented at all in the DVD other than in the initial 7:28 new video.
Basically Dhani gave us the DVD "extras" from the previous re-issues of ATMP and LITMW for sure. I think of Box Sets like Bruce Springsteen's Darkness On The Edge Of Town with three (3) DVDs each at least 60 minutes or more. That Box was no more expensive than this one although this covers all of George's Apple albums.
I look forward to listening to the rest and will supplement this. I came into this knowing that the albums themselves were a mixed lot but the bonus material both on CD and DVD could have been so much better and substantial. The packaging though is first-class.
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Post by kc on Oct 6, 2014 17:23:00 GMT -5
I'm looking to buy this set. Unfortunately, I have yet to see it for sale in any store here, my preferred method of purchase. It is over two weeks since the specified release date. It's not much better with the major local online retailers. Of the three I usually consult, two list it as not in stock, while the other reports low stock. It's just as bad with the individual albums.
Regarding Wonderwall Music, I must revisit this album. I already have the original CD issue, but have played it rarely. I remember that I liked the tracks, Ski-ing and Wonderwall To Be Here, but that is about all.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 6, 2014 23:08:30 GMT -5
I have momentarily skipped LITMW and popped in Dark Horse.
The packaging is nice, exactly like the original vinyl album release. The booklet is cool but darn, get out the magnifying glass to read Kevin Howlett's June 2014 essay which seems pretty good.
I wasn't knocked off my feet by the sonics to "Hari's On Tour" but still it is better than the first wave CD of DH. But any initial concern evaporated as I thoroughly enjoyed "Simply Shady" which is actually a very sad song, detailing the sorry shape George found himself in in 1974. The sonics are noticeably sharper than what I am used to as this song. I am getting pumped.
"So Sad" is stunning, the guitars shimmer, George's vocal is quite expressive, simply sad and heartbroken. DH is worth owning in this re-issued version simply for these two songs. Wow, the two SS songs back to back are stunning.
"Bye Bye Love" continues with great sonics! Whoa, this Hari arrangement suddenly sounds hip. I hated this cover when I first played this album in 1980. But now the bitterness, the sarcasm, the heartache seems like a strength! There is actually some damn good singing by George going on.
Well I'll be darn, "Bye Bye Love" was not just tolerable here but enjoyable but again in that world weary way. George is trying to be funny I think but the pain come through loud and clear.
Again, the sonics are sharp on "Maya Love." Another winner. How did this album get so panned? How did I ignore it for decades, just digging it once a few years ago here on member Nine's "Spotlight Album Threads?"
Those who slag "Ding Dong Ding Dong" need to hear this 2014 remastered version! Maybe this will become that New Year's classic it has sought to be. The background singing is crisp but they aren't credited in George's handwritten credits on the sleeve.
"Dark Horse" is sharp and crisp, better than I have ever heard it from the vinyl DH, first wave DH CD or the Best of George Harrison. George's hoarse voice doesn't seem as jarring when the recording's sonics are otherwise sharper. Don't get me wrong, George's voice is still hoarse but when the recording sounds better, when the instruments sound shinier and crisp, then the hoarse vocal is not so jarring. The improved sonics nurse the rough vocal in my opinion.
"Far East Man" continues the sharp and crisp sonic revival given this album. Andy Newmark's drumming is really sharp on this song. It is a very nice performance by the musicians. There is some very soulful singing by George on this song.
Finally, "It Is He[Jai Sri Krishna]" is bouncy on the Indian chorus and rather poignant in the verses. I could really do The Krishna Stomp to this song! This is not the throw-away I had always assigned to it.
Okay, I am genuinely stunned by the re-mastered Dark Horse. This album in no way deserves the thrashing it has received from critics and us fans(including myself). DH has been saved, ressurected from the dead! Had George had his full voice then this album would be deemed a great album by all, I mean the title song "Dark Horse" alone should have been George's signature song forever but because of his hoarse voice it has been forgotten.
The bonus track "I Don't Care Anymore" is different than other versions I've heard of it. It is very good, glad to have this in the catalog.
The bonus "Dark Horse" is an amazing track! It is too polished to be a mere demo, it is for sure studio quality. George is in awesome voice. This bonus track alone justifies buying this re-issued version of DH. This is now the version of DH, the song, that I will always turn to. Previously I had adopted the "Live In Japan" version but this bonus track is the one!
It is awesome when re-mastering or sometimes re-mixing saves an album. It clearly happened with the early to mid-2000's re-mixing of John's Mind Games and Rock -n- Roll and the re-mastering of George's own ATMP although that was still a great album as bad as the sonics were on the first wave CD.
Here the re-mastered Dark Horse takes some sad songs and makes them better. They were good songs at their core but the sonics have always been so lousy that it detracted from them and simply amplified George's hoarse vocals.
If you opt to buy the albums individually, I sincerely recommend DH. We have had the remastered ATMP and LITMW for years now but this 2014 DH is vibrant and stunning. There are two great bonus tracks too.
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Post by OldFred on Oct 8, 2014 17:39:16 GMT -5
Agree with you on Dark Horse Johnny. Inspite of George's voice at the time, I always liked this album, So Sad and Simply Shady being two of my favorites off it. I also enjoy Extra Texture, I think the musicianship on it is excellent. Sure the album is a bit on the gloomy side, but that is where George was at and he was being honest, no different than when John Lennon did the same on his records. If folks want to bypass the box, then the albums I recommend they get are Wonderwall, Dark Horse and Extra Texture.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 9, 2014 5:53:49 GMT -5
Agree with you on Dark Horse Johnny. Inspite of George's voice at the time, I always liked this album, So Sad and Simply Shady being two of my favorites off it. I also enjoy Extra Texture, I think the musicianship on it is excellent. Sure the album is a bit on the gloomy side, but that is where George was at and he was being honest, no different than when John Lennon did the same on his records. If folks want to bypass the box, then the albums I recommend they get are Wonderwall, Dark Horse and Extra Texture. Fred, the reason I (and I presume many) fans dislike EXTRA TEXTURE is because it's got George in terrible whiny voice, and the songs are mainly slow redundant dirges which tend to put one to sleep; not because "George is showing his honest gloomy feelings, just like John did". The difference is, John's honest songs and his vocals were good, and so were PASTIC ONO BAND and IMAGINE. I did not buy this box, as I am sticking with vinyl and the earlier CDs for my collection. I don't think either DARK HORSE nor EXTRA TEXTURE are good albums at all to warrant re-buying them. If I were going to recommend albums to get from this set they would be ALL THINGS MUST PASS and LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 9, 2014 11:04:06 GMT -5
I listened to Living In The Material World last night from the new Apple Years Box. The packaging is outstanding as all of these albums are.
What a treat! LITMW is like a Revolver or SPLHCB to me in terms of quality of songs. Things like "The Light That Has Lighted The World" is amazing and is one of those songs no 18 year old in the Western world could appreciate or enjoy. But at 51 it is an anthem to me.
This got to #1 in 1973 on George's reputation as a Beatle, ATMP, Bangladesh and the single "Give Me Love" but I maintain it was not well loved back in 1973. The fans dutifully bought LITMW, played it a few times and moved on to Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin so they could fry their brains out on drugs, have non-stop sex and not be reminded of the spiritual quest we all should be pursuing throughout life.
"Who Can See It" is another amazing, adult song showing George's emotional growth, his stepping out of the Beatle Box that his old friend Paul was about to climb back into with BOTR.
I wish radio stations would play title song "Living In The Material World" every once in awhile. It is that good and I think the message is terrific for today's self-absorbed morons.
And "Be Here Now" is perhaps the greatest least known Beatles solo song! No matter what I am doing, I stop what I am doing and listen to this delicate but powerful Hari classic.
LITMW is exceptional. Thank you George.
On to ET, the last album for me to play from this Box. And OldFred, "Simply Shady" and especially "So Sad" off the newly remastered DH are in fact stunning. The improved sonics really, really helps that album as you and I are in agreement on.
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Post by markc on Oct 9, 2014 16:34:01 GMT -5
Also John, We know that George is the only guitar player on this album. Makes it more of a treat.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 10, 2014 13:21:50 GMT -5
Okay, I am steaming mad! I just went through Billboard 200 and there is not one re-issued George Harrison album in those 200 albums but there are like 30 Country & Western albums(Blake Shelton is #1 and Paul McCartney can't score a #1?!) and all of these dinosaur compilations from Elvis, Eric "The Jerk" Clapton" and Foreigner to name just three oldies and moldies. Oh yeah, Prince has a new album at #5 and Purple Rain is back in the Top 200 but do you think ATMP or LITMW are? Not even no but hell no! That awful freak Michael Jackson has a few albums in the Top 200, but do you think Our Sweet George has even one? Nooooooo! Why is MJ in the charts? Oh and, of course, Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon is once again in the Billboard 200. Give me a break! No wonder we have wars, deadly diseases, ISIS, turmoil, etc. because good music like George Harrison's is forgotten while the world revels in crap music. I told you I was mad!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 11, 2014 5:38:11 GMT -5
Okay, I am steaming mad! I just went through Billboard 200 and there is not one re-issued George Harrison album in those 200 albums but there are like 30 Country & Western albums(Blake Shelton is #1 and Paul McCartney can't score a #1?!) and all of these dinosaur compilations from Elvis, Eric "The Jerk" Clapton" and Foreigner to name just three oldies and moldies. Oh yeah, Prince has a new album at #5 and Purple Rain is back in the Top 200 but do you think ATMP or LITMW are? Not even no but hell no! That awful freak Michael Jackson has a few albums in the Top 200, but do you think Our Sweet George has even one? Nooooooo! Why is MJ in the charts? Oh and, of course, Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon is once again in the Billboard 200. Give me a break! No wonder we have wars, deadly diseases, ISIS, turmoil, etc. because good music like George Harrison's is forgotten while the world revels in crap music. I told you I was mad! John, I know this is not equivalent to having a respectable chart showing for George.. but the other day I was hanging around at my local used record shop (where young people consistently come in to buy records and turntables), and a group of three friends in their late teens were purchasing some records. I saw one of them with WINGS GREATEST in their pile of vinyl, and another purchased --- get this!! -- LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD! .. I thought of you immediately when I spotted that kid's LITMW score. So, even though George did not make Billboard, I hope this observation gave you some hope.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 8:37:14 GMT -5
I'm a bit slow, i haven't bought this box set...yet, i have downloaded it though
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 11, 2014 12:08:59 GMT -5
Okay, I am steaming mad! I just went through Billboard 200 and there is not one re-issued George Harrison album in those 200 albums but there are like 30 Country & Western albums(Blake Shelton is #1 and Paul McCartney can't score a #1?!) and all of these dinosaur compilations from Elvis, Eric "The Jerk" Clapton" and Foreigner to name just three oldies and moldies. Oh yeah, Prince has a new album at #5 and Purple Rain is back in the Top 200 but do you think ATMP or LITMW are? Not even no but hell no! That awful freak Michael Jackson has a few albums in the Top 200, but do you think Our Sweet George has even one? Nooooooo! Why is MJ in the charts? Oh and, of course, Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon is once again in the Billboard 200. Give me a break! No wonder we have wars, deadly diseases, ISIS, turmoil, etc. because good music like George Harrison's is forgotten while the world revels in crap music. I told you I was mad! John, I know this is not equivalent to having a respectable chart showing for George.. but the other day I was hanging around at my local used record shop (where young people consistently come in to buy records and turntables), and a group of three friends in their late teens were purchasing some records. I saw one of them with WINGS GREATEST in their pile of vinyl, and another purchased --- get this!! -- LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD! .. I thought of you immediately when I spotted that kid's LITMW score. So, even though George did not make Billboard, I hope this observation gave you some hope. Thanks for sharing that Joe. That is cool that those youngsters were buying Paul and George. I asm a little paranoid though that the young man will play LITMW and think it too "old man," too preachy, too world weary because that is exactly what I thought at 18 and I shelved it for 20 years! It was only when I had grown older, realized that material possessions are a false god and been kicked down a few times that I "got" what George was singing about. But this young man will need to figure it out for himself and nothing you or I could say would make him realize that right there in the record store. I hope he holds on to the album until he is about 35 or so. Now the kid with the Wings album will be okay, that is mostly fun music.
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Post by joeyself on Oct 13, 2014 16:36:22 GMT -5
JSD, in keeping with George's mediation techniques, keep this mantra in mind: "chart success does not equal quality."
Witness--RED ROSE SPEEDWAY hit number one.
So did Britney Spears.
The mantra will give you inner tranquility.
Maybe...
JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 13, 2014 17:41:06 GMT -5
JSD, in keeping with George's mediation techniques, keep this mantra in mind: "chart success does not equal quality." Witness--RED ROSE SPEEDWAY hit number one. So did Britney Spears. The mantra will give you inner tranquility. Maybe... JcS I know, you are right but can't George have one album in the Top 200? You ought to see the crap in that list. Foreigner?! Hey, wait a minute, what's wrong with RRS?! It has "My Love!"
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Post by joeyself on Oct 15, 2014 21:53:52 GMT -5
JSD, in keeping with George's mediation techniques, keep this mantra in mind: "chart success does not equal quality." Witness--RED ROSE SPEEDWAY hit number one. So did Britney Spears. The mantra will give you inner tranquility. Maybe... JcS I know, you are right but can't George have one album in the Top 200? You ought to see the crap in that list. Foreigner?! Hey, wait a minute, what's wrong with RRS?! It has "My Love!" Uh, yeah, that's where it starts the downhill slide... JcS
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Oct 16, 2014 14:24:19 GMT -5
Sometimes I really miss the days when someone released an album and that was IT. That was the album for all eternity. Then if you scored a bootleg with some outtakes it was a cool listen. Being a completest collector as I truly was has become impossible unless you're rich, and a bit crazy/stupid. I agree. All the box sets with unreleased material ... you need to be Paul McCartney. I haven't gone after many. I did buy the Beach Boys "Smile" just because. Who doesn't have some of this stuff on boots, anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 6:59:10 GMT -5
I went to our local, and main, music retailer today.
I looked on their shelves for the box set, i didn't see it so i went to the counter and asked them if they had it.
They checked the computer and then told me none of their stores have received it since it was released, they also told me there was a large back order from customers waiting for the box set.
I'll now get mine from Amazon.
Retailers complain about how people prefer to shop online, here is an example why, pathetic effort JB HIFI
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Post by kc on Oct 18, 2014 23:36:08 GMT -5
I went to our local, and main, music retailer today. I looked on their shelves for the box set, i didn't see it so i went to the counter and asked them if they had it. They checked the computer and then told me none of their stores have received it since it was released, they also told me there was a large back order from customers waiting for the box set. I'll now get mine from Amazon. Retailers complain about how people prefer to shop online, here is an example why, pathetic effort JB HIFI This is my experience as well and not just from JB. Yesterday I did actually see an individual album (ATMP) from these 2014 remasters in one independent shop. I didn't bother to buy it as I want the box. Like I have said here before, I am reluctant to buy box sets online as I am certain that they will arrive damaged to some degree. This has often been my experience with more solidly constructed hardcover books, some I which I have returned and jewel cased CDs. I am not so concerned about the latter, as obviously the plastic case can easily be replaced. Unfortunately, I have read on the net that certain online retailers have blacklisted some customers who habitually return slightly damaged goods. I don't want to become one of these people. I have found that JB usually do a pretty good job in eventually getting new releases into their stores. I am thinking that this is now the main part of their CD and DVD/BR sales, as their catalogue stock seems to decline further with each passing year. I will wait until the Harrison box appears on one of their shelves and then buy it. I suspect it is possible that this box was initially manufactured in small numbers, with the European and North American markets getting them first and that is why we have not seem them yet. Just my guess.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 19, 2014 7:47:31 GMT -5
I went to our local, and main, music retailer today. I looked on their shelves for the box set, i didn't see it so i went to the counter and asked them if they had it. They checked the computer and then told me none of their stores have received it since it was released, they also told me there was a large back order from customers waiting for the box set. I'll now get mine from Amazon. Retailers complain about how people prefer to shop online, here is an example why, pathetic effort JB HIFI This is my experience as well and not just from JB. Yesterday I did actually see an individual album (ATMP) from these 2014 remasters in one independent shop. I didn't bother to buy it as I want the box. Luckily, I have a few devoted record stores around my area, and I have seen the Harrison Box in a few places (and also at a local Record Fair, weeks before street date). But here is another thing -- people are always telling me "the stores do not stock items because they won't sell", but meanwhile they're all backordered from online, with fans dying to get their copies! They say people don't shop in stores anymore... well, how can they, when the items are not put on store shelves anymore? Wow, I really prefer the 20th Century.
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Post by kc on Oct 19, 2014 8:08:18 GMT -5
The good old days.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 20, 2014 15:57:29 GMT -5
The George Box is really making me appreciate George's Apple years!! The sonics are very good and while good sonics don't save bad songs, bad sonics will diminish even great songs as no one likes listening to music in terrible fidelity. The best example was the original CD release of ATMP which was so poor sonically that I about quit listening to that album because of it. I use to think George's Apple Years were just ATMP and Bangladesh. By 2001/2002 I threw in LITMW. In 2014, I will say every George Apple album has some wonderful music contained within each album that had too often been hidden by the poor sonics. Except Electronic Sounds, that is still crap and is a good example of great sonics(and packaging) not saving crap songs. Take The JSD George Harrison Apple Years Challenge by either buying the Box or the individual albums except ES(and I assume many here bought the re-issued 2001 ATMP back then so you don't need the 2014 one) and as you listen to the music, or better yet between plays, read Simon Leng's book on George's music from this period and you will become a re-dedicated solo George fan!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 3:49:29 GMT -5
I walked into JB HIFI in Melbourne today and the shelf were 2 copies of the Apple Years Box Set...
This time i baulked at the price $195.00.
I already have ALL the music on this box set, are the video clips really worth that much ?
I'm having a re-think, if the wife knows i'm re- buying music i already have, at a premium price, but this time in a new package, you might here her from your place...
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Post by vectisfabber on Oct 21, 2014 9:17:44 GMT -5
I symapthise with the missus.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 21, 2014 12:17:18 GMT -5
I walked into JB HIFI in Melbourne today and the shelf were 2 copies of the Apple Years Box Set... This time i baulked at the price $195.00. I already have ALL the music on this box set, are the video clips really worth that much ? I'm having a re-think, if the wife knows i'm re- buying music i already have, at a premium price, but this time in a new package, you might here her from your place... Sneak it in! As long as they don't see it come in the house, they don't know what is in our music collections and are afraid to look!
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Post by kc on Oct 25, 2014 17:51:52 GMT -5
Okay, I am steaming mad! I just went through Billboard 200 and there is not one re-issued George Harrison album in those 200 albums but there are like 30 Country & Western albums(Blake Shelton is #1 and Paul McCartney can't score a #1?!) and all of these dinosaur compilations from Elvis, Eric "The Jerk" Clapton" and Foreigner to name just three oldies and moldies. Oh yeah, Prince has a new album at #5 and Purple Rain is back in the Top 200 but do you think ATMP or LITMW are? Not even no but hell no! That awful freak Michael Jackson has a few albums in the Top 200, but do you think Our Sweet George has even one? Nooooooo! Why is MJ in the charts? Oh and, of course, Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon is once again in the Billboard 200. Give me a break! No wonder we have wars, deadly diseases, ISIS, turmoil, etc. because good music like George Harrison's is forgotten while the world revels in crap music. I told you I was mad! I just visited the Billboard site. George's box set made it to 167 on the album chart. I don't know if any of the individual albums re-charted at any point as the information under George's name for his chart history is strangely incomplete. No entry is to be seen on the current Billboard 200.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 26, 2014 13:59:28 GMT -5
Thanks for pointing that out, KC! I did not check Billboard 200 the week after September 22 which I should have.
I will say that "Search" option on Billboard's site is worthless. I plugged in the Box's name to see if I had missed a chart entry and it gave me nothing. It gave me virtually nothing when I plugged "George Harrison" in.
I am glad the Box charted and it was a full, expensive Box. Still. I am disappointed that even ATMP didn't re-chart. As I ranted, all of those "Classic Rock" idiots cited there easily get old albums back in the charts. But not our solo Beatles. We've lamented here that Paul's earlier solo re-issues, as nice as those were, didn't do as well as stupid Foreigner or even these tired fourth generation Eric Clapton comps that always get into the Top 100..
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Post by debjorgo on Nov 2, 2014 20:59:41 GMT -5
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Post by Panther on Nov 5, 2014 7:45:50 GMT -5
..the hell are these things so expensive?
I recently bought a box-set of Joni Mitchell's first 10 albums here in Tokyo for US$28.
Think hard about re-buying music you already have when the only bonus is cheap videos/notes.
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