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Post by kc on Mar 31, 2016 23:23:59 GMT -5
This is something any fan can do on their own. Yeah, as Sayne has said above, you are correct. I love a good box set, but there is often some sort of problem with many of them: songs included that you might not personally like, missing hits, alternate versions when you want the original, etc. I have previously burned a four CD compilation of my own favourite solo McCartney songs. I ended up with 79 tracks, only about 40 of which appear on this forthcoming Pure McCartney collection. As a serious fan, I will undoubtedly buy this new offering and probably in both CD editions; but I know they will sit unplayed on the shelf most of the time. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 1, 2016 6:07:22 GMT -5
This is something any fan can do on their own. You are so right. This is another argument to support the advantages of streaming. Assuming all the songs are out their, why buy a "best of," "the complete," "all my best," "deep cuts," or "all the hits" of anything? There never will be a definitive release, nor a release that everyone will be pleased with. As long as all the songs are streamable, one can always put their own together - to your taste. Because it's the official, McCartney-authorized, physical media. It is an "official release". Even before streaming, of course we could have -- and often did -- compile our own personal "mix cassettes". So it's not as if the opportunity to assemble one's own album is anything "new". Why did they bother with the Beatles' red and blue albums? We could have recorded our own personal choices from the individual recordings and made out own collections. 20th Century FOREVER!  I will proudly be buying both the 4-CD release, as well as the Vinyl! |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 1, 2016 6:08:21 GMT -5
Let's see: no Daytime Nighttime Suffering or My Brave Face, and instead we get Girlfriend, Ebony & Ivory, Goodnight Tonight and Here Today? Fail. How is "Here Today", a loving tribute to John, a "fail"? |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 1, 2016 8:28:51 GMT -5
No mystery to this release, Paul is touring and needs a product out there. He is hoping for that solo version of 1 that was a monster hit by The Beatles.
In some ways, this reminds me of the bizarre choices making up Wingspan.
I always want pure beef, pure water and pure McCartney!
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Post by nine on Apr 1, 2016 9:27:28 GMT -5
No Young Boy, My Brave Face... first singles off albums. And Bip Bop, he's bagged that song himself (though I like it) is included. Surely Mumbo, Wild Life, Love is Strange or Dear Friend or Tomorrow might have been a better pick.
Ever Present Past is surely worthy, I never tire of that song.
Why is Early Days on there and Warm and Beautiful and Hope for the Future?
AND why include We All Stand Together?
AND what of Off the Ground, an album I quite like. Surely the single Hope of Deliverance or Biker, they were singles.. (glad C'mon People isn't on there).... though I see Beautiful Night is which I hate.
Very glad to see Don't Let it Bring You Down there...
Is Save Us worthy?
I dunno, something like this is never going to please people like us but can't Paul get it right for once? I don't think this is right. Frog song's inclusion says it all.
Apart from Hope for the Future I have all these songs. I'll make up the Pure mix and see how it goes....
PS - Where's Letting Go?
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Post by sayne on Apr 1, 2016 9:40:15 GMT -5
. . . Why did they bother with the Beatles' red and blue albums? We could have recorded our own personal choices from the individual recordings and made out own collections . . . I will proudly be buying both the 4-CD release, as well as the Vinyl! I think you're making my point exactly. The 20th Century was a decade of mass marketing. The whole point of capitalism is to get people to buy, buy, buy . . . quite often what they really do not need. Through clever and not so secret ploys, they spend billions of dollars trying to make us think we NEED something. They even try to alter our thinking to make us WANT something. That is why many people confuse wanting with needing. Because they now "want" that object, they have been convinced that they "need" that thing. So, now in the 21st Century, we have the means to create our own things. But, the corps would rather we buy THEIR thing. It's all a lie. If it's ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC, why do we insist that we have to have the product that is packaged? They just want your money. Save your hard earned money. Paul doesn't need your money. You can make your own (better) compilation. Was it Mc Donald's that said "Have it your way"? Well, with music, you can. Record companies are dying. Good. Artists are taking control over their own product. Music lovers need to realize their power and take control of their consumption. There is no middleman needed (how many middlemen are there from artist to buyer?). Today, it can be artist to buyer - direct (relatively) Collections? I get it. But, really. Red and Blue, Rock and Roll, Love Songs, Rarities, Reel Music, Past Masters, and all the box sets. Wings Greatest, All the Best, Wingspan? C'mon! Yes, I understand the distinction between mono and stereo or this version vs that version. But, jeez, look at all the recycled songs! We're often like piranha going after whatever is thrown into the water. Today, we do not need to be fed music that the record companies want us to have. We can feed ourselves. George Carlin once said that the idea of capitalism is this: "Nail two pieces of wood together that have never been nailed together and convince someone that they need it." Well, it seems that in the Beatle world, all they have to do is call it "official" and we'll scoop it up - in multiples (CDs and vinyl). Oh, the downloads and streams I could buy with the money saved on NOT buying what the record corporations want me to buy from them. If I download or stream my own (pure) McCartney, I get what I want and Paul still gets his money. You can't hook me with this "official" stuff anymore. |
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Post by sayne on Apr 1, 2016 9:58:01 GMT -5
As a serious fan, I will undoubtedly buy this new offering and probably in both CD editions; but I know they will sit unplayed on the shelf most of the time. That's the essential problem with how we have all been brought up under the perversion of capitalism (this is not a dig on capitalism - only on how it has been misused and we have been manipulated.) Think about it, really. Buy something that one will never use JUST to have it? Many of us will buy a CD, create a playlist on our computer, and never see the CD again. How does this make sense? If one thinks it makes sense, then go buy an article of clothing from a designer you really admire or respect, take a picture of yourself in it, then put it in your closet and never wear it again. Or, better, yet. Never wear it and keep it in storage and tell all your friends about how proud you are to have in your closet a garment by designer "X" that you never wear. In fact, you have a closet full of his/her designs that you never wear. Every once in awhile you take them out to look at them and proudly congratulate yourself for having a suit with THAT label - that you never even needed. |
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Post by nine on Apr 1, 2016 10:14:29 GMT -5
As a serious fan, I will undoubtedly buy this new offering and probably in both CD editions; but I know they will sit unplayed on the shelf most of the time. That's the essential problem with how we have all been brought up under the perversion of capitalism (this is not a dig on capitalism - only on how it has been misused and we have been manipulated.) Think about it, really. Buy something that one will never use JUST to have it? Many of us will buy a CD, create a playlist on our computer, and never see the CD again. How does this make sense? If one thinks it makes sense, then go buy an article of clothing from a designer you really admire or respect, take a picture of yourself in it, then put it in your closet and never wear it again. Or, better, yet. Never wear it and keep it in storage and tell all your friends about how proud you are to have in your closet a garment by designer "X" that you never wear. In fact, you have a closet full of his/her designs that you never wear. Every once in awhile you take them out to look at them and proudly congratulate yourself for having a suit with THAT label - that you never even needed. I'm not buying it. Give me outakes and unreleased stuff and Let It Be and I might, but not this stuff. I didn't touch Wingspan. Saw the tracklisting, saw a bit of the special before I threw up.... |
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Post by nine on Apr 1, 2016 10:37:09 GMT -5
B2: 1. Let 'Em In 2. Let Me Roll It 3. Ebony and Ivory How on God's Earth can you follow Let Me Roll It with Ebony and Ivory?  I'd be thinking, if I was playing the album in my car, yeah, my friends are digging this track, Let Me Roll It ... but I have to act soon... gotta skip to the next track before they even hear the first three seconds of that horrible introduction to Ebony and f-ing Ivory... or worse still, the whole track. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 1, 2016 11:40:03 GMT -5
B2: 1. Let 'Em In 2. Let Me Roll It 3. Ebony and Ivory How on God's Earth can you follow Let Me Roll It with Ebony and Ivory? I'd be thinking, if I was playing the album in my car, yeah, my friends are digging this track, Let Me Roll It ... but I have to act soon... gotta skip to the next track before they even hear the first three seconds of that horrible introduction to Ebony and f-ing Ivory... or worse still, the whole track. Hey, even weirder is the John Lennon comp called Working Class Hero: The Definitive Lennon where on Disc 2 the harrowing "Cold Turkey" is followed by John's lounge-lizard classic "Intuition" and its cheesy intro, "Hey , hey, hey, hey, altright!" That is the most incongruous pairing of songs in the entire history of Western music! This one on Pure Macca is second most! |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 1, 2016 11:44:20 GMT -5
Rejected artwork for Pure McCartney now known infamously as the "Butcher's Cover:"  Pure McCartney |
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Post by kc on Apr 1, 2016 15:17:11 GMT -5
As a serious fan, I will undoubtedly buy this new offering and probably in both CD editions; but I know they will sit unplayed on the shelf most of the time. That's the essential problem with how we have all been brought up under the perversion of capitalism (this is not a dig on capitalism - only on how it has been misused and we have been manipulated.) Think about it, really. Buy something that one will never use JUST to have it? Many of us will buy a CD, create a playlist on our computer, and never see the CD again. How does this make sense? If one thinks it makes sense, then go buy an article of clothing from a designer you really admire or respect, take a picture of yourself in it, then put it in your closet and never wear it again. Or, better, yet. Never wear it and keep it in storage and tell all your friends about how proud you are to have in your closet a garment by designer "X" that you never wear. In fact, you have a closet full of his/her designs that you never wear. Every once in awhile you take them out to look at them and proudly congratulate yourself for having a suit with THAT label - that you never even needed. You're right. I'm hooked. |
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Post by stavros on Apr 1, 2016 16:09:01 GMT -5
I am not sure who Paul is targeting with this album.
Whereas Yoko has milked the, limited in comparison, Lennon solo collection for all it is worth Macca has only ever released 3 official compilations from his solo work. Wings Greatest, All the Best, Wingspan and now this. (He loves his live albums though)
If it's for the superfans then we all have those tracks. Some have vinyl, CDs and remastered CD vrsion of the same tracks.
It's hardly an introduction to McCartney solo either given that it misses out a lot of the big hits.
In fact it reminds me of the budget CDs you often see in the supermarket for £3-£4 (that's around $5 US) with one or two well known tracks. The rest of it is filled out with misfiring singles, b-sides and random album tracks. Which is fair enough and some gems can be found amongst those
Except it's not going to be a 'budget' price.
£13.99 for the regular set and £34.99 for the deluxe set.
Pure? No it's more like "Wings Spam"
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Post by sallyg on Apr 1, 2016 16:41:38 GMT -5
I am not sure who Paul is targeting with this album. Whereas Yoko has milked the, limited in comparison, Lennon solo collection for all it is worth Macca has only ever released 3 official compilations from his solo work. Wings Greatest, All the Best, Wingspan and now this. (He loves his live albums though) I too am not sure who Paul is targeting with this greatest hits version or why he feels a need for another greatest hits album. Great question to send in for the monthly Paul answers your question on his web site. I think I will eventually buy it although I haven't made up my mind what version I will buy. |
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 1, 2016 17:09:41 GMT -5
I never bought the red and blue albums or any of the repackaged comp discs. I bought Wingspan for the two or three rare tracks. I did not buy 1 until it was recently released with the videos. 1 was almost necessary for the 2000 remixes but I figured all the albums would be remixed and I wasn't in that much of a hurry.
I have no plans of buying this.
Yet, I bet many of you will buy it, not needing anything on it. And you are the same ones who bought the two disc Archive remasters instead of springing the extra bucks for the Deluxe Editions.
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 1, 2016 17:51:10 GMT -5
Aaaaaah, April Fools!  |
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Post by stavros on Apr 1, 2016 18:12:04 GMT -5
A Paul-ing face there  |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 1, 2016 18:21:16 GMT -5
I never bought the red and blue albums or any of the repackaged comp discs. I bought Wingspan for the two or three rare tracks. I did not buy 1 until it was recently released with the videos. 1 was almost necessary for the 2000 remixes but I figured all the albums would be remixed and I wasn't in that much of a hurry. I have no plans of buying this. Yet, I bet many of you will buy it, not needing anything on it. And you are the same ones who bought the two disc Archive remasters instead of springing the extra bucks for the Deluxe Editions. You're darned-tootin' I'm buying this. I'm a collector, and happy to have it and support it. So there.  |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 1, 2016 18:25:39 GMT -5
John's lounge-lizard classic "Intuition" and its cheesy intro, "Hey , hey, hey, hey, altright!" You're still the only person I have ever heard in the Beatles/John Lennon camp who's ever described the opening of "Intuition" like that, and has disliked it so intensely. Just sayin'.  |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 1, 2016 18:33:39 GMT -5
Think about it, really. Buy something that one will never use JUST to have it? Many of us will buy a CD, create a playlist on our computer, and never see the CD again. How does this make sense? If one thinks it makes sense, then go buy an article of clothing from a designer you really admire or respect, take a picture of yourself in it, then put it in your closet and never wear it again. Or, better, yet. Never wear it and keep it in storage and tell all your friends about how proud you are to have in your closet a garment by designer "X" that you never wear. In fact, you have a closet full of his/her designs that you never wear. Every once in awhile you take them out to look at them and proudly congratulate yourself for having a suit with THAT label - that you never even needed. It's all about being happy and content, regardless of what others think of it (and as long as it's not harming anybody). I certainly couldn't care less about popular clothing, but I have always been thrilled to add items to my collection (music, movies, books, etc). I used to get all hung up over the obligatory "but I MUST use this... and play it over and over... or else why have it!??" ... but I have learned it really doesn't matter, as long as I'm happy and feel good just having X, Y, or Z. Many Vinyl collectors keep certain choice albums still sealed in their original cellophane, like a treasured art print or rare stamp from a stamp collection. Makes them happy and doesn't hurt you. (Just one thing about clothing -- I also have a promotional Paul McCartney PRESS TO PLAY Capitol Records jacket that I'll never wear, and am thrilled to have it -- I feel good about it... even if you can't fathom why. ) . |
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Post by kc on Apr 1, 2016 18:34:16 GMT -5
It's hardly an introduction to McCartney solo either given that it misses out a lot of the big hits. The new box set does actually include most of McCartney’s big hits (those Top 10 in one country or another). I don’t think any UK/US number one songs are missing, unless you want to argue about the non-inclusion of the live version of Coming Up, that Say Say Say is a remix, or that Girls’ School (double A-side with Mull Of Kintyre) is not present. To me the disappointing Top 10 hit omissions are Helen Wheels, Take It Away and Hope Of Deliverance. Other possibilities would have been Eat At Home (NZ Top 10, not sure about elsewhere), Mary Had A Little Lamb, C Moon, Maybe I’m Amazed (live), Girls’ School, Wonderful Chrismastime, Coming Up (Live at Glasgow), The Girl Is Mine, Spies Like Us, Once Upon A Long Ago and FourFiveSeconds. Keep in mind though that Pure McCartney is not meant as a singles collection. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 1, 2016 18:36:42 GMT -5
How on God's Earth can you follow Let Me Roll It with Ebony and Ivory? Contrast? That's how I always made my own comp cassettes back in the day. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 1, 2016 18:47:26 GMT -5
I think you're making my point exactly. The 20th Century was a decade of mass marketing. The whole point of capitalism is to get people to buy, buy, buy . . . quite often what they really do not need. Through clever and not so secret ploys, they spend billions of dollars trying to make us think we NEED something. They even try to alter our thinking to make us WANT something. That is why many people confuse wanting with needing. Because they now "want" that object, they have been convinced that they "need" that thing. I'll decide what I "need" or "want", thank ya very much. (Not the record companies, not you or anyone else). But when you come right down to it, all we truly "need" is food, water, and shelter... so then by your logic why even own anything after the basic natural essentials? Exactly -- and no one is grabbing my mouth and force-feeding me. I decide what goes in there, or not. Just so you know -- I pass on stuff as well. I didn't buy George's LET IT ROLL compilation, didn't ever buy the red and blue albums on CD... and there are definitely other things I've passed on as well. Like I said, it's all my business - and all up to me, nobody else. We do have free will. You seem pretty hooked on Streaming, but 'they' haven't convinced me that I want or need that yet. You might possibly "waste" your money on other things that "I" might deem "unnecessary". One person criticizes people for re-buying the same songs in different packages and spending their hard-earned cash -- and then the same critic buys booze, cigarettes, goes gambling, or maybe likes cars or something else that I feel is silly. Who gets to decide what's for them and what is not? I don't know why you're so fixated on this Svengali-like "make them THINK they NEED it" nonsense. Have you been that weak and a pawn in their game in the past, really? Have they truly controlled your life ... is this some secret you're sort of revealing here? |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 1, 2016 18:58:43 GMT -5
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Post by kc on Apr 1, 2016 19:04:13 GMT -5
How on God's Earth can you follow Let Me Roll It with Ebony and Ivory? Contrast? That's how I always made my own comp cassettes back in the day. It actually only runs that way on the vinyl version. On the 2CD it is Let Me Roll It, Nineteen Hundred And Eighty Five, Ebony And Ivory, while on the 4CD it is completely different: Souvenir, Dance Tonight,Ebony And Ivory. After looking at the line up for the 4CD set again I will say that although I have complaints about it, all up it is very impressive IMO. |
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Post by nine on Apr 1, 2016 20:37:46 GMT -5
Paul must have rated certain songs at some point because songs like Off the Ground and C'mon People had huge film clip budgets but obviously with the passing of time or his dementia he's forgotten all about them.
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 1, 2016 20:56:25 GMT -5
I never bought the red and blue albums or any of the repackaged comp discs. I bought Wingspan for the two or three rare tracks. I did not buy 1 until it was recently released with the videos. 1 was almost necessary for the 2000 remixes but I figured all the albums would be remixed and I wasn't in that much of a hurry. I have no plans of buying this. Yet, I bet many of you will buy it, not needing anything on it. And you are the same ones who bought the two disc Archive remasters instead of springing the extra bucks for the Deluxe Editions. You're darned-tootin' I'm buying this. I'm a collector, and happy to have it and support it. So there. I'm with you more than not on your many points in this thread. About a year ago I bought a copy of The Wizard of Oz on Blu-ray, because I think anybody who's got any kind of movie collection should have a copy of it. I have yet to open it and maybe never will. This set just doesn't draw me in. There's no rarities or even lose singles or b-sides that haven't been on an album. If it had a little flow going through the tracks, if I thought it had a shot at being a big seller, I might want to support it. Paul has a lot (all?) of his albums on iTunes. These songs are already out there for new listeners to check out. I got a little budgeted music money coming up. I've set aside a big chunk for the next archive release. I need to venture out of the Beatle realm every once in a while. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 1, 2016 21:41:56 GMT -5
I am jonesing for some pure McCartney!
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Post by sayne on Apr 2, 2016 0:02:25 GMT -5
I don't know why you're so fixated on this Svengali-like "make them THINK they NEED it" nonsense. Have you been that weak and a pawn in their game in the past, really? Have they truly controlled your life ... is this some secret you're sort of revealing here? WE HAVE ALL been manipulated to buy what we buy. Don't be so naive or arrogant to think that you really have not been manipulated in your buying practices. "Despite all your rage, you're still just a rat in a cage." Marketing is based on hard psychological and sociological science. Everything from the desire not to be left out to the desire to be loved; the desire to be an individual to a desire to be respected. The desire for new experiences to the desire for stability. Many desires are contradictory. Well, we are complicated animals. Part of marketing is figuring out what "type" of person will buy the product and then tailoring the marketing to press the right buttons. Just look at what types of products are advertised during NFL games and what ploys those commercials are being used. Beatles fans are easy marks. It's cute that you think you are your own guy - independent in your buying practices. I will only concede that maybe your are less so than others, but your are being manipulated, nevertheless. Collections are nice, but meaningless. Don't get me wrong. I have my collections and valued items. But, I also have learned that they really have no value, other than in what I and others give them. Look at this way. Why is a clump of dirt from Watts not as valuable as a clump of dirt in Beverly Hills? Dirt is dirt. It's because of the value we put on it, not because it really has any real value. A glass of water is invaluable to a thirsty man, while a bottle of 100 year old port is worthless to a teetotaler. I don't fault people for valuing things. It's human nature. So, I'm glad you like the things you've collected. Just don't think that you really made any "independent" choice. Also, do you really think the makers of the albums or jackets you proudly own created their art to be collected? I don't think so. The real value is in the creation and the sharing and connection with that creation. Sometimes it connects with people (million sellers), and sometimes it doesn't (flops). But, the value we put into it in order to give it "collector" value is really what we put on to it - based on our psychological profiles - not on anything inherent in the object. So, to put this all in the context of Pure McCartney, for most of us here on the board, there really isn't any reason to buy it. Any desire that anyone feels to having to have this release really has nothing to do with the collection or it's real value. It's all about us, not it. (By the way, as an aside. I find it interesting that people would find more value in this retread than an album of new material by Paul.) |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 2, 2016 0:24:32 GMT -5
What does Pure McCartney mean to me......maximum Rock and Roll, that's what!
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