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Post by nine on Sept 21, 2016 23:24:48 GMT -5
I saw on Paul's 'Pure McCartney VR' documentary series that the composer of Mull of Kintyre was Paul with not even a little help from some of his friends. In the video for Mull of Kintyre for the new album Paul mentions Denny by name as his co-writer. The only reason Denny's name does not appear in the credits on the record is because Denny came to Paul desparate for cash, significant cash, and Paul bought out his rights to the song. It was sort of an advance over what Denny would have earned over his lifetime plus more. It was really a favor Paul did for him. As co-writer there is no reason why Denny's name shouldn't be there. It doesn't mean he has to receive coin because of this. |
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 22, 2016 4:07:47 GMT -5
Someone who was a good (and very wealthy) friend might have made a loan to his collaborator to help him out, perhaps, not simply bought out his share of a major hit.
And I, too, see no reason why Denny is still not credited as co-writer. It is a matter of fact, surely?
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 22, 2016 15:20:12 GMT -5
Someone who was a good (and very wealthy) friend might have made a loan to his collaborator to help him out, perhaps, not simply bought out his share of a major hit. And I, too, see no reason why Denny is still not credited as co-writer. It is a matter of fact, surely? Does this bit of injustice make you yearn to own Pure McCartney? |
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 23, 2016 3:29:46 GMT -5
John, bless your little cotton socks, NOTHING makes me yearn to own pure McCartney, the most pointless and overblown compilation in the world. Ever. A profound blot on the collective Beatles discography. Curated personally by Paul McCartney.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 23, 2016 11:33:09 GMT -5
John, bless your little cotton socks, NOTHING makes me yearn to own pure McCartney, the most pointless and overblown compilation in the world. Ever. A profound blot on the collective Beatles discography. Curated personally by Paul McCartney.  Tell us how you really feel Vectis! I have renewed my vows with Pure McCartney as I feel that Paul's own curation of the songs selected will enable me to become as emotionally intimate with the McCartney Solo canon as possible! |
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 23, 2016 20:49:46 GMT -5
Someone who was a good (and very wealthy) friend might have made a loan to his collaborator to help him out, perhaps, not simply bought out his share of a major hit. And I, too, see no reason why Denny is still not credited as co-writer. It is a matter of fact, surely? I don't see Denny Laine complaining about the agreement. You are apparently more concerned than he is. I think he is very happy about the fact that he and his family can live very well and not worry about finances now. What is this idea that because a man is wealthy, he must give money to all his friends. Ask Oprah Winfrey how that worked out with her. She had to put an end to it when it spiraled out of control once she was seen a an easy target by her friends and family and they took advantage. Paul is under constant pressure to give and do good with his money and he gives to proper charities, not to rock stars who didn't know how to manage their money. He has no such obligation and it was kind of him to give Denny millions for his share. It wasn't Paul asking Denny to make the deal, it was Denny, who was broke, asking for it. |
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 23, 2016 21:04:51 GMT -5
What are we saying here? Paul paid Denny to take his name off as a songwriter? That's not right at all. When I look to see who wrote a song, I want to see who wrote it, not who owns the royalties.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 24, 2016 15:50:17 GMT -5
What are we saying here? Paul paid Denny to take his name off as a songwriter? That's not right at all. When I look to see who wrote a song, I want to see who wrote it, not who owns the royalties. I normally agree but buying off Denny Laine's name from MOK makes it Pure McCartney! |
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 24, 2016 22:08:49 GMT -5
What are we saying here? Paul paid Denny to take his name off as a songwriter? That's not right at all. When I look to see who wrote a song, I want to see who wrote it, not who owns the royalties. I normally agree but buying off Denny Laine's name from MOK makes it Pure McCartney! So if Yoko ever got hard up for a little cash, we could forget about all these Who Wrote What debates. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 24, 2016 23:53:58 GMT -5
I normally agree but buying off Denny Laine's name from MOK makes it Pure McCartney! So if Yoko ever got hard up for a little cash, we could forget about all these Who Wrote What debates. Yes and we could all then savor Pure McCartney II, III, IV, V and VI! |
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Post by kc on Sept 25, 2016 0:22:54 GMT -5
Are Wings' Greatest and All The Best out of print? What about Wingspan? I rarely see any of them in record stores nowadays.
I just checked Amazon and they do have small quantities of each in stock. Maybe the intention is to eventually delete them? I'm just wondering, but the 2CD version of Pure McCartney would then make more sense.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 26, 2016 3:45:09 GMT -5
Someone who was a good (and very wealthy) friend might have made a loan to his collaborator to help him out, perhaps, not simply bought out his share of a major hit. What is this idea that because a man is wealthy, he must give money to all his friends. I'm pretty sure the word I used was "loan" not "gift." Let me check - yep. I never said he should give anything to Denny. It's a bit disingenuous to suggest that I did. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 26, 2016 10:38:26 GMT -5
Who played Pure McCartney over the past weekend?
If so, what "something new" did you derive from such listen however large or small?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 8:38:32 GMT -5
Who played Pure McCartney over the past weekend? If so, what "something new" did you derive from such listen however large or small? I played some of it. What i got from it was, vocally, that was Paul at his best, sadly, we'll never get that quality again, |
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Post by sayne on Oct 3, 2016 10:33:53 GMT -5
Who played Pure McCartney over the past weekend? If so, what "something new" did you derive from such listen however large or small? Well, I actually received one as a gift last week and I did listen to it in it's entirety this past weekend. Here are my takeaways: 1) Paul has a ton of solo songs that he should be just as proud of as his Beatles contributions (Beatles songs he's MOSTLY credited with) 2) I actually liked hearing We All Stand Together 3) Bip Bop? Please. Why? Yes, I agree that Mumbo would have been a better choice 4) I still really dislike Girlfriend, Arrow Through Me, Pipes of Peace, Ebony and Ivory, Press, Winedark Open Sea, Coming Up, Goodnight Tonight, With a Little Luck, No More Lonely Nights, Good Times Coming/Feel the Sun, Baby's Request. I really wanted to like them and hoped that my older ears would appreciated them, but I didn't. The first four songs of Disc 4 each were skipped after 5 seconds. Waste of plastic.
5) Too many songs from New.
All in all, enjoyable. I think each of us could have put together a much stronger set of 67 songs. I would think that the average number of songs people on this group would remove and exchange for others would be 10-20. For me, I'd replace the above 13 songs with:
Mumbo
Tug of War
Ballroom Dancing
Your Way
Getting Closer
I've Had Enough
Old Siam, Sir
My Brave Face
Mistress and Maid
Riding to Vanity Fair
That Was Me
Oh, Woman, Oh, Why
Dance Till We're High
If Paul mines Driving Rain, Chaos and Creation, Flowers in the Dirt, Off the Ground, his "Firemen" albums, and goes a bit deeper into his cuts ( Monkberry, anyone?), he just might be able to come up with a good 2 disc More Pure McCartney that we can all criticize.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 3, 2016 10:50:21 GMT -5
Excellent post, sayne! I agree that Paul has many solo songs that are equal to his best in The Beatles.
I likewise agree that there are some clunkers on PM! I have not been able to sit at home and get through one entire PM disc. But as I earlier chronicled, when I drove back to Indiana from Boston MA over the 4th of July holiday, PM was a great road trip album and even the clunkers(and I agree with some but not all of sayne's choices) sounded fun in the car, to hear them in this new context and out of the context I was use to hearing them.
Another bizarre thing apparent when one listens to large portions of PM at once are the different levels of sonics. Some songs have been remastered while some haven't and that is kind of jarring. You hear one song that sounds amazing, it has come to life with the remastering, then you come upon one that sounds like it does on our 1987 first wave compact discs.
Perhaps Paul should have waited until his whole solo catalog was remastered.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Oct 5, 2016 18:16:44 GMT -5
What are we saying here? Paul paid Denny to take his name off as a songwriter? That's not right at all. When I look to see who wrote a song, I want to see who wrote it, not who owns the royalties. It is a legal matter and Denny got what he wanted. Paul did not go to Denny for this. |
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 5, 2016 20:59:55 GMT -5
What are we saying here? Paul paid Denny to take his name off as a songwriter? That's not right at all. When I look to see who wrote a song, I want to see who wrote it, not who owns the royalties. It is a legal matter and Denny got what he wanted. Paul did not go to Denny for this. No. It's an artistic matter. And it makes it look like Paul would take more credit for writing a song than he is actually due, regardless of the motivation. Regardless of any money figure exchanged, taking Denny's name off the writing credit should had been off the table. |
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 18, 2016 18:01:16 GMT -5
Who played Pure McCartney over the past weekend? If so, what "something new" did you derive from such listen however large or small? It keeps coming up in my New Music programs on my iPod in my car. Every time I'm shocked. "Why is this playing? How did this get on my.... Oh' yeah. Pure McCartney." On the Archive releases, I only put the alt tracks in my New Music programs, except for songs from Tug of War where they had the new mixes. |
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