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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 2, 2016 20:14:34 GMT -5
Those days are over and today's kids buy their music differently than we do if they pay for it at all! But meanwhile, The Vinyl Resurgence is currently very hot amongst teens and college-aged people. (Annual Record Store Day is April 16th, by the way ... with lots of specialty items designed for the youth  ). Kind of telling that Vinyl was not at all popular amongst the youth 10 years ago, but has become very popular only in the past 5 years or so, ironically just as "streaming and downloading has taken over". Why now? This new PURE MACCA collection would never have been issued on Vinyl from 1995 through 2010. But in 2016, it is. |
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 2, 2016 21:48:44 GMT -5
I Like Figure of Eight, Rough Ride, Put it There, We Got Married, This One, How Many People and Motor of Love. Figure of Eight actually pops up on the local high school radio station, WNAS, on a regular basis.
This will probably make matters worse for Motor of Love, but at the time it came out, it reminded me a little of Journey. Journey was good in its heyday. They were the top band of the day for a short time.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 2, 2016 22:54:40 GMT -5
By the way -- anyone else notice that this new Paul packaging is quite similar to this:  |
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Post by kc on Apr 2, 2016 23:52:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I noticed the similarity. I think the Ringo one looks a bit better.
I've just been doing some counting of the times of the box set discs and unless I've made a mistake it comes out as:
Disc 1: about 64 minutes
Disc 2: about 70.5 minutes
Disc 3: about 66 minutes
Disc 4: about 64 minutes
That comes to 264.5 minutes. If single edits have been used on some tracks then the total would be even less.
In other words, there was enough extra space (around 50 minutes) to include many of the songs that fans see as glaring omissions from this set.
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Post by nine on Apr 3, 2016 1:51:46 GMT -5
Mrs. Vanderbilt has been returned from Venus to Band.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 3:37:26 GMT -5
My initial thought on this compilation is Pure Manure.
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Post by coachbk on Apr 3, 2016 11:49:02 GMT -5
Mumbo................................ Best Tomorrow Some People Never Know Bip Bop Love is Strange I Am Your Singer Wild Life Dear Friend........................ Worst Just putting out a dissenting view. OK, so if he had to have a "nonsense" song then why not the fun and energetic "Mumbo" rather than the annoying, poorly sung, overly long, and dull "Bip Bop"? Actually except for Bip Bop and Dear Friend your list is not far off from my best to worst: 1. Tomorrow 2. Some People Never Know 3. Mumbo 4. Dear Friend 5. I Am Your Singer 6. Love Is Strange 7. Wild Life 8. Bip Bop |
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Post by coachbk on Apr 3, 2016 11:54:53 GMT -5
Bip Bop from WILD LIFE?  ? Why would he put his worst song on this collection? I enjoy "Bip Bop", but I would have thought Paul would put something else from WILD LIFE to represent the album. He's already put "Tomorrow" on WINGSPAN, so maybe the title track "Wild Life" or - better yet - "Dear Friend" - could have been the choice. (A major contender for me as his worst song is "We All Stand Together" - aka The Frog Chorus - which, sadly, is on this collection). And I really enjoy "We All Stand Together" and the fact that it is on this collection is one of the positive things since I don't have that song. (except on an old VCR tape of Rupert The Bear from the Disney Channel. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 3, 2016 13:14:44 GMT -5
Bip Bop from WILD LIFE? ? Why would he put his worst song on this collection? LMAO! I was waiting for you to comment on this! You did not disappoint!  I am a huge "Bip Bop" advocate as you know but I am stunned and even angry that "Mumbo" got screwed as did several other great Wings Wild Life tracks! As much as I love the album WWL, I had carelessly underestimated the title song even up to recent times. What a ballsy, gutsy song with Paul's primal, wailing singing! The song WWL's omission from this comp alone deprives it of being a pure representative collection of McCartney songs. We McCartney fans are like animals in the zoo!  |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 3, 2016 13:42:35 GMT -5
Those days are over and today's kids buy their music differently than we do if they pay for it at all! But meanwhile, The Vinyl Resurgence is currently very hot amongst teens and college-aged people. (Annual Record Store Day is April 16th, by the way ... with lots of specialty items designed for the youth ). Kind of telling that Vinyl was not at all popular amongst the youth 10 years ago, but has become very popular only in the past 5 years or so, ironically just as "streaming and downloading has taken over". Why now? This new PURE MACCA collection would never have been issued on Vinyl from 1995 through 2010. But in 2016, it is. Recently my law partner had me over to show me his new turntable and hi-fi set-up. He was excited to go retro but with new equipment.. He has one of those super audiophile vinyl pressings of Abbey Road and by the time he cleaned the record and his stylus and finally began playing the damn thing, I was asleep in his plush armchair. By the time he got that vinyl album playing "Come Together," I could have been air-drumming to the drum solo on "The End!"  Yes, the vinyl sounded "warm" but so did the pops and hisses I could hear! I politely said "awesome" and jumped back in my car and dug AR on my iPod 4 where it sounded just as amazing as the vinyl without any of the snap, crackle, pops I had just heard.  |
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Post by stavros on Apr 3, 2016 15:15:20 GMT -5
And I really enjoy "We All Stand Together" and the fact that it is on this collection is one of the positive things since I don't have that song. (except on an old VCR tape of Rupert The Bear from the Disney Channel. I might have said this before somewhere. I don't have a problem with "We All Stand Together". It was written specifically for the "Rupert the Bear" cartoon. It's a fun song for all the kids like "Yellow Submarine" was. No one complains about YS being on '1' or devaluing Revolver. But Paul often gets slammed for his Frog Chorus song from people who have no idea about why it was released. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 3, 2016 15:37:31 GMT -5
And I really enjoy "We All Stand Together" and the fact that it is on this collection is one of the positive things since I don't have that song. (except on an old VCR tape of Rupert The Bear from the Disney Channel. I might have said this before somewhere. I don't have a problem with "We All Stand Together". It was written specifically for the "Rupert the Bear" cartoon. It's a fun song for all the kids like "Yellow Submarine" was. No one complains about YS being on '1' or devaluing Revolver. But Paul often gets slammed for his Frog Chorus song from people who have no idea about why it was released. The difference for me is I love the song "Yellow Submarine", but I feel "We All Stand Together" stinks, and is annoying as hell. Very simple, really. (Though I'm still not as wild about "All Together Now", if that helps). And I have that opinion while fully aware of the history behind the song, in its full context. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 3, 2016 15:43:17 GMT -5
He has one of those super audiophile vinyl pressings of Abbey Road and by the time he cleaned the record and his stylus and finally began playing the damn thing, I was asleep in his plush armchair. By the time he got that vinyl album playing "Come Together," I could have been air-drumming to the drum solo on "The End!" Yes, the vinyl sounded "warm" but so did the pops and hisses I could hear! I politely said "awesome" and jumped back in my car and dug AR on my iPod 4 where it sounded just as amazing as the vinyl without any of the snap, crackle, pops I had just heard. Any vinyl collector will tell you that there most assuredly are tons of records which sound "awesome" and are free of any "snaps, crackles, and pops". That is just an overstated myth. I'm also sorry that your friend's copy was not up to speed in this instance. Or maybe you thought you heard them because you were dreaming while asleep in that armchair. Anyway, regardless... it's still a fact that the modern Vinyl Resurgence amongst youth has occurred at a time now, when vinyl is allegedly thought "long dead", and meaningless. That, of curse, was the point. And IF it's true that "vinyl just sounds like crackles and pops", then it's even more incredible that so many of today's young love the format.  |
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 3, 2016 16:21:04 GMT -5
I enjoy "Bip Bop", but I would have thought Paul would put something else from WILD LIFE to represent the album. He's already put "Tomorrow" on WINGSPAN, so maybe the title track "Wild Life" or - better yet - "Dear Friend" - could have been the choice. (A major contender for me as his worst song is "We All Stand Together" - aka The Frog Chorus - which, sadly, is on this collection). And I really enjoy "We All Stand Together" and the fact that it is on this collection is one of the positive things since I don't have that song. (except on an old VCR tape of Rupert The Bear from the Disney Channel. I got my copy from an early Pipes of Peace CD issue. Funny, I never noticed it wasn't on the Archive version. I also have a version from an Oobu Joobu disc. I had to dub it on a CD-r and back to mp3 again to get it as a stand alone track. Oobo-Joobo has everything as one track. |
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 3, 2016 16:33:30 GMT -5
I used to love vinyl. The only time you heard the pops was between the tracks. There was no way I was switching to cassettes which was the growing media of the day. I didn't want to switch to CDs. I liked the big full size of an LP, especially one with an gatefold jacket. (They were great for rolling you weed on.)
I finally got a CD player when the Beatle CDs came out. By golly if I didn't get a bad CD player that would skip through the first few seconds of the discs, just like my turn table used to do with my LPs.
CDs were so much an improvement. I never got a vinyl album again.
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Post by kc on Apr 3, 2016 16:42:00 GMT -5
He has one of those super audiophile vinyl pressings of Abbey Road and by the time he cleaned the record and his stylus and finally began playing the damn thing, I was asleep in his plush armchair. This is my chief memory of the original vinyl era. I remember going through the same process whenever I put a record on. It was a pain in the arse and I don't miss it. No going back to vinyl for me. It's digital all the way and if they stop issuing CDs then I'll go for high definition downloads. They should be readily available soon enough. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 3, 2016 17:52:31 GMT -5
He has one of those super audiophile vinyl pressings of Abbey Road and by the time he cleaned the record and his stylus and finally began playing the damn thing, I was asleep in his plush armchair. By the time he got that vinyl album playing "Come Together," I could have been air-drumming to the drum solo on "The End!" Yes, the vinyl sounded "warm" but so did the pops and hisses I could hear! I politely said "awesome" and jumped back in my car and dug AR on my iPod 4 where it sounded just as amazing as the vinyl without any of the snap, crackle, pops I had just heard. Any vinyl collector will tell you that there most assuredly are tons of records which sound "awesome" and are free of any "snaps, crackles, and pops". That is just an overstated myth. I'm also sorry that your friend's copy was not up to speed in this instance. Or maybe you thought you heard them because you were dreaming while asleep in that armchair. Anyway, regardless... it's still a fact that the modern Vinyl Resurgence amongst youth has occurred at a time now, when vinyl is allegedly thought "long dead", and meaningless. That, of curse, was the point. And IF it's true that "vinyl just sounds like crackles and pops", then it's even more incredible that so many of today's young love the format. My take on those flocking back to vinyl is that we will always have Flat Earthers. It is kind of cultish but it doesn't hurt anyone as long as they don't lecture those of us who don't choose to look backwards on audio reproduction. I do not miss cleaning the record itself and the stylus. I don't miss record album storage which included buying those plastic "outer" covers to protect the album covers. I don't miss the fact that one in five albums had defects like skips or the center hole wasn't centered right so the album played weird. And I don't miss the snap, crackle and pop! |
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Post by coachbk on Apr 3, 2016 18:13:59 GMT -5
PURE MCCARTNEY (my version):
Maybe I'm Amazed
Every Night
Junk
Another Day
Too Many People
Dear Boy
Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey
Back Seat Of My Car
C Moon
Mumbo
Tomorrow
My Love
Little Lamb Dragonfly
Live And Let Die
Helen Wheels
Band On The Run
Jet
Mrs. Vanderbilt
1985
Junior's Farm
Sally G
Venus And Mars/Rock Show
Listen To What The Man Said
You Gave Me The Answer (WINGS OVER AMERICA)
Magnetto And Titanium Man (WINGS OVER AMERICA)
Silly Love Songs
Warm And Beautiful
Beware My Love
Mull Of Kintyre
Girls School
I'm Carrying
Don't Let It Bring You Down
Daytime Nighttime Suffering
Getting Closer
Baby's Request
Comin Up (live)
One Of These Days
Tug Of War
Take It Away
Wanderlust
Here Today
Pipes Of Peace
Through Our Love
No More Lonely Nights
We All Stand Together
Press
Only Love Remains
Once Upon A Long Ago
My Brave Face
This One
Put It There
Hope Of Deliverance
Young Boy
Somedays
Little Willow
Calico Skies
Brown Eyed Handsome Man
Lonely Road
Fine Line
Jenny Wren
Too Much Rain
Dance Tonight
Ever Present Past
That Was Me
The End Of The End
Sing The Changes
My Valentine
Save Us
New
Early Days
I may just burn this myself rather than buy PURE MCCARTNEY!
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 3, 2016 20:08:34 GMT -5
Great list Coach but not if you keep the name Pure McCartney! You have co-writes and even a cover or two so we must rename your comp but as I say, it is very good; just not pure McCartney! |
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Post by vectisfabber on Apr 4, 2016 3:26:51 GMT -5
Do I want to give Paul more of my money for a 4 disc collection of stuff which I have mostly already got.
I do not. Sorry Paul, this cash grab doesn't work as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 4, 2016 18:14:49 GMT -5
Do I want to give Paul more of my money for a 4 disc collection of stuff which I have mostly already got. I do not. Sorry Paul, this cash grab doesn't work as far as I'm concerned. This compilation may not float your boat, but I doubt Paul needs the cash or is releasing this solely for financial gain; I think he really wants to have a solo career-spanning retrospective out there. especially at his current age. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 4, 2016 18:27:48 GMT -5
My take on those flocking back to vinyl is that we will always have Flat Earthers. It is kind of cultish but it doesn't hurt anyone as long as they don't lecture those of us who don't choose to look backwards on audio reproduction. I do not miss cleaning the record itself and the stylus. I don't miss record album storage which included buying those plastic "outer" covers to protect the album covers. I don't miss the fact that one in five albums had defects like skips or the center hole wasn't centered right so the album played weird. And I don't miss the snap, crackle and pop! After 25 years of CDs, in 2011 I realized that I DID miss all those things. And much to my delight, I discovered I was far from alone. And I also discovered that Vinyl sounded better to me than ever before - a step forward, not backward. (It's today's low quality downloads heard through ear buds on little phones or gizmos that is truly a decline in audio). Just today I was off from work and hung out at my local record store. We actually spun Capitol Beatles vinyl LPs all day, from 1964 through 1966... and believe me, there were NO snaps, crackles, or pops. Honestly , I told the kindly store worker there all about your comment on this board, and we laughed heartily. I told him that I literally haven't heard The Beatles sounding so full and vibrant in decades, after long being saddled with tinny and digital CDs! By the way, I don't think I have ever encountered a single vinyl disc from when I was 3 in 1965 to April 4, 2016 at the record store today, where a "center hole wasn't centered right, so the album played weird". LOL! And even if it happened, one in a million ain't bad! We collectors love the big album cover artwork, and we enjoy preserving them in the clear plastic outer sleeves. Sheer collecting, tangible interaction, and paradise! |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 4, 2016 19:49:04 GMT -5
Whatever gets you through the night, Joe!
When my friend was playing his audiophile AR on virgin vinyl(that description made me horny) on his brand new state of the art equipment, I sounded like a defective vinyl record album myself yelling "WTF" at the top of my voice at every snap, crackle and pop I heard! That extraneous noise woke me from my previous slumber as it took him a half-hour to actually play the damn thing because of his pre-play cleaning rituals.
I do like the larger album covers as it is easier to read the liner notes. Live and let live I say. You love vinyl records so have at it and I will enjoy other formats and I must say, some digital downloads I have sound stunning when I run them through my real stereo system, mouth-dropping and all on that tiny iPod! I was a second and third generation CD fan(I agree the first wave of CDs from 1986 to early 1990's suck) but now I am going to digital downloads I think!
But I enjoy your YouTube videos immensely on record reviews! Keep having fun, that's what counts in the end.
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Post by sayne on Apr 4, 2016 23:55:18 GMT -5
I'm not a recording expert, but I would think that the vinyl vs digital argument is moot as long as the actual recording of the music is done digitally, like on ProTools. Will a completely digital recording sound better on vinyl?
I agree that vinyl sounds better than digital when talking about older stuff, but the older stuff was recorded on tape. I think that may be why vinyl translates better. But today, I'm not sure digital to digital would sound better than digital to vinyl. Just wondering.
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Post by vectisfabber on Apr 5, 2016 5:31:01 GMT -5
Do I want to give Paul more of my money for a 4 disc collection of stuff which I have mostly already got. I do not. Sorry Paul, this cash grab doesn't work as far as I'm concerned. This compilation may not float your boat, but I doubt Paul needs the cash or is releasing this solely for financial gain; I think he really wants to have a solo career-spanning retrospective out there. especially at his current age. More than likely. But it's a further illustration of how crap he is at his own marketing. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 5, 2016 5:33:21 GMT -5
I'm not a recording expert, but I would think that the vinyl vs digital argument is moot as long as the actual recording of the music is done digitally, like on ProTools. Will a completely digital recording sound better on vinyl? I agree that vinyl sounds better than digital when talking about older stuff, but the older stuff was recorded on tape. I think that may be why vinyl translates better. But today, I'm not sure digital to digital would sound better than digital to vinyl. Just wondering. Don't know about today's brand new music and how it's recorded, but it's true that most vinyl enthusiasts abstain from getting digital transfers on vinyl. Like when the 2009 STEREO Beatles Remasters were issued on vinyl, many fans said they didn't sound as good. As a result of this, the following MONO Masters set was purposely taken from Analog (tape), and sounded amazing. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 5, 2016 5:41:16 GMT -5
Whatever gets you through the night, Joe! Ditto! But I thought you gave him a polite "awesome" at the end of the listening session, just to appease him? I cannot imagine what he did to take a half hour, unless of course you're just exaggerating for affect. We had a chuckle over that too at the Record Store, as it only takes seconds (or a minute) to use a carbon brush to dust off the record and stylus before playing. Exactly! |
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Post by stavros on Apr 5, 2016 16:41:55 GMT -5
Joe K and JSD. You've been having a little fun with each other about the merits of digital v vinyl. So I hope you don't mind me taking this off at a tangent for a moment. I miss those vinyl days. The large picture covers, the B-sides of singles, finding a bargain in Woolworths and spending countless hours in record shops. I used to love cassettes as well once upon a time for their 'convenience'. Initially CDs were expensive compared to vinyl and the dynamics on those 1980s CDs were pretty poor to be honest. But now, although I still have a working record deck and some vinyl I am reluctant to chuck out, I prefer the digital format. Mainly for convenience. I can't play records in my car! I've also got audio software to boost those old CDs in volume to the same level as the more modern music. Which is handy for compilation CDs. So I wondered....Is vinyl really better than CD? It seems that the answer is definitely not if done well. Vinyl tracks sound worse the closer you get to the centre as well. But then people started messing round trying to find ever louder CDs.... Apparently "It's not just the format.It's what you do with it." See : www.laweekly.com/music/why-cds-may-actually-sound-better-than-vinyl-5352162Anyway I found it an interesting read that makes a lot of sense to me. I'll pull this thread back on track again by discussing my own list for the new "Poor McCartney" album shortly..... |
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Apr 5, 2016 17:26:56 GMT -5
Joe K and JSD. You've been having a little fun with each other about the merits of digital v vinyl. So I hope you don't mind me taking this off at a tangent for a moment. I miss those vinyl days. The large picture covers, the B-sides of singles, finding a bargain in Woolworths and spending countless hours in record shops. I used to love cassettes as well once upon a time for their 'convenience'. Initially CDs were expensive compared to vinyl and the dynamics on those 1980s CDs were pretty poor to be honest. But now, although I still have a working record deck and some vinyl I am reluctant to chuck out, I prefer the digital format. Mainly for convenience. I can't play records in my car! I've also got audio software to boost those old CDs in volume to the same level as the more modern music. Which is handy for compilation CDs. So I wondered....Is vinyl really better than CD? It seems that the answer is definitely not if done well. Vinyl tracks sound worse the closer you get to the centre as well. But then people started messing round trying to find ever louder CDs.... Apparently "It's not just the format.It's what you do with it." See : www.laweekly.com/music/why-cds-may-actually-sound-better-than-vinyl-5352162Anyway I found it an interesting read that makes a lot of sense to me. I'll pull this thread back on track again by discussing my own list for the new "Poor McCartney" album shortly..... fyi, none of the configurations are the same. They're all different. |
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Apr 5, 2016 17:28:13 GMT -5
No mystery to this release, Paul is touring and needs a product out there. He is hoping for that solo version of 1 that was a monster hit by The Beatles. In some ways, this reminds me of the bizarre choices making up Wingspan. I always want pure beef, pure water and pure McCartney! I don't think so. He doesn't need to have something out there, especially something as unworthwhile as this. |
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Yes, the vinyl sounded "warm" but so did the pops and hisses I could hear!
