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Post by Panther on Jul 23, 2016 21:00:44 GMT -5
Only among American Republicans and Tea-Party-ers would the US Democratic Party be considered 'Leftist'.
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Post by kc on Jul 23, 2016 23:01:06 GMT -5
Only among American Republicans and Tea-Party-ers would the US Democratic Party be considered 'Leftist'. I must admit I've had a little chuckle to myself over this as well.
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Post by OldFred on Jul 24, 2016 12:50:42 GMT -5
I'm kind of hoping that they do an exclusive iTunes release of the two complete concerts like they did with the Beatles Bootleg Recordings. The Beatles Bootleg Recordings 1963 by The Beatles itun.es/us/DnsAU
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jul 24, 2016 22:28:24 GMT -5
If someone wants to keep this Fox News discussion, going, start a thread in Off Topic and I'll move a few posts. Otherwise, it's done.
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Post by lowbasso on Jul 25, 2016 9:37:16 GMT -5
A bit more information on this new release I pulled off another Beatles site particularly some comments from Giles Martin;
WogBlog: Hollywood Bowl – official announcement »
The Beatles’ Companion Album to New Ron Howard-Directed Feature Documentary Presents Remixed and Mastered Recordings from Three Hollywood Bowl Concerts.
Apple Corps Ltd. and Universal Music Group are pleased to announce global release plans for The Beatles: Live At The Hollywood Bowl, a new album that captures the joyous exuberance of the band’s three sold-out concerts at Los Angeles’ Hollywood Bowl in 1964 and 1965. A companion to The Beatles: Eight Days A Week – The Touring Years, Academy Award®-winner Ron Howard’s authorized and highly anticipated documentary feature film about the band’s early career, The Beatles: Live At The Hollywood Bowl will be released worldwide on CD and for digital download and streaming on September 9, followed by a 180-gram gatefold vinyl LP on November 18. The album includes a 24-page booklet with an essay by noted music journalist David Fricke, and its cover art features a sunny photo taken on August 22, 1964 by The Beatles’ then-U.S. tour manager, Bob Bonis, as John, Paul, George and Ringo boarded a chartered flight from Seattle Tacoma Airport to Vancouver, BC for their first concert in Canada.
Documenting The Beatles’ Hollywood Bowl concerts on tape was no easy feat, as producer Sir George Martin explained in his album notes for 1977’s The Beatles At The Hollywood Bowl: “The chaos, I might almost say panic, that reigned at these concerts was unbelievable unless you were there. Only three track recording was possible; The Beatles had no ‘fold back’ speakers, so they could not hear what they were singing, and the eternal shriek from 17,000 healthy, young lungs made even a jet plane inaudible.”
While The Beatles: Live At The Hollywood Bowl references the long out of print 1977 album, it is an entirely new release, directly sourced from the original three track tapes of the concerts. To preserve the excitement of the shows while unveiling the performances in today’s best available clarity and quality, GRAMMY Award® winning producer Giles Martin and GRAMMY Award® winning engineer Sam Okell have expertly remixed and mastered the recordings at Abbey Road Studios, including the thirteen tracks from the original album produced by Giles’ father, plus four additional, previously unreleased recordings from the momentous concerts.
“A few years ago Capitol Studios called saying they’d discovered some Hollywood Bowl three track tapes in their archive,” says Giles Martin. “We transferred them and noticed an improvement over the tapes we’ve kept in the London archive. Alongside this I’d been working for some time with a team headed by technical engineer James Clarke on demix technology, the ability to remove and separate sounds from a single track. With Sam Okell, I started work on remixing the Hollywood Bowl tapes. Technology has moved on since my father worked on the material all those years ago. Now there’s improved clarity, and so the immediacy and visceral excitement can be heard like never before. My father’s words still ring true, but what we hear now is the raw energy of four lads playing together to a crowd that loved them. This is the closest you can get to being at the Hollywood Bowl at the height of Beatlemania. We hope you enjoy the show…”
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 25, 2016 9:40:53 GMT -5
I'm kind of hoping that they do an exclusive iTunes release of the two complete concerts like they did with the Beatles Bootleg Recordings. The Beatles Bootleg Recordings 1963 by The Beatles itun.es/us/DnsAUGood idea Fred but if they do that I still wish we could have gotten such on a nice "Deluxe Box" of Hollywood Bowl. We hear of technical problems with the 1965 show but weren't there two shows recorded and I've read the problem was Paul's mic went dead for like three songs. Obviously if Paul was the lead vocalist that is a problem but if not then I say release it but explain to fans the technical problems! They released Ed Sullivan and on one of the early broadcasts John's mic was dead so we get Paul dominated songs where both normally sing but we all lived, and we would live here. Again, I assume they weren't Paul solo lead vocals and we know they have a good "She's A Woman" and "Can't Buy Me Love" and A Hard Day's Night(for Paul's lead part in it) so I am not sure what the songs are missing Paul's vocal. These were 51 years ago, technical limitations are allowed!
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Post by mikev on Jul 25, 2016 11:08:58 GMT -5
I'm kind of hoping that they do an exclusive iTunes release of the two complete concerts like they did with the Beatles Bootleg Recordings. The Beatles Bootleg Recordings 1963 by The Beatles itun.es/us/DnsAUGood idea Fred but if they do that I still wish we could have gotten such on a nice "Deluxe Box" of Hollywood Bowl. We hear of technical problems with the 1965 show but weren't there two shows recorded and I've read the problem was Paul's mic went dead for like three songs. Obviously if Paul was the lead vocalist that is a problem but if not then I say release it but explain to fans the technical problems! They released Ed Sullivan and on one of the early broadcasts John's mic was dead so we get Paul dominated songs where both normally sing but we all lived, and we would live here. Again, I assume they weren't Paul solo lead vocals and we know they have a good "She's A Woman" and "Can't Buy Me Love" and A Hard Day's Night(for Paul's lead part in it) so I am not sure what the songs are missing Paul's vocal. These were 51 years ago, technical limitations are allowed! Not so fast John! Micky Dolenz recently was successful with adding 2016 vocals to a 1968 Harry Nilsson song. Perhaps Paul can add his 2016 vocal to his missing parts!!!! Oooooooohhhhhh what fun that would be
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Post by mikev on Jul 25, 2016 11:14:12 GMT -5
A bit more information on this new release I pulled off another Beatles site particularly some comments from Giles Martin; WogBlog: Hollywood Bowl – official announcement » The Beatles’ Companion Album to New Ron Howard-Directed Feature Documentary Presents Remixed and Mastered Recordings from Three Hollywood Bowl Concerts. Apple Corps Ltd. and Universal Music Group are pleased to announce global release plans for The Beatles: Live At The Hollywood Bowl, a new album that captures the joyous exuberance of the band’s three sold-out concerts at Los Angeles’ Hollywood Bowl in 1964 and 1965. A companion to The Beatles: Eight Days A Week – The Touring Years, Academy Award®-winner Ron Howard’s authorized and highly anticipated documentary feature film about the band’s early career, The Beatles: Live At The Hollywood Bowl will be released worldwide on CD and for digital download and streaming on September 9, followed by a 180-gram gatefold vinyl LP on November 18. The album includes a 24-page booklet with an essay by noted music journalist David Fricke, and its cover art features a sunny photo taken on August 22, 1964 by The Beatles’ then-U.S. tour manager, Bob Bonis, as John, Paul, George and Ringo boarded a chartered flight from Seattle Tacoma Airport to Vancouver, BC for their first concert in Canada. Documenting The Beatles’ Hollywood Bowl concerts on tape was no easy feat, as producer Sir George Martin explained in his album notes for 1977’s The Beatles At The Hollywood Bowl: “The chaos, I might almost say panic, that reigned at these concerts was unbelievable unless you were there. Only three track recording was possible; The Beatles had no ‘fold back’ speakers, so they could not hear what they were singing, and the eternal shriek from 17,000 healthy, young lungs made even a jet plane inaudible.” While The Beatles: Live At The Hollywood Bowl references the long out of print 1977 album, it is an entirely new release, directly sourced from the original three track tapes of the concerts. To preserve the excitement of the shows while unveiling the performances in today’s best available clarity and quality, GRAMMY Award® winning producer Giles Martin and GRAMMY Award® winning engineer Sam Okell have expertly remixed and mastered the recordings at Abbey Road Studios, including the thirteen tracks from the original album produced by Giles’ father, plus four additional, previously unreleased recordings from the momentous concerts. “A few years ago Capitol Studios called saying they’d discovered some Hollywood Bowl three track tapes in their archive,” says Giles Martin. “We transferred them and noticed an improvement over the tapes we’ve kept in the London archive. Alongside this I’d been working for some time with a team headed by technical engineer James Clarke on demix technology, the ability to remove and separate sounds from a single track. With Sam Okell, I started work on remixing the Hollywood Bowl tapes. Technology has moved on since my father worked on the material all those years ago. Now there’s improved clarity, and so the immediacy and visceral excitement can be heard like never before. My father’s words still ring true, but what we hear now is the raw energy of four lads playing together to a crowd that loved them. This is the closest you can get to being at the Hollywood Bowl at the height of Beatlemania. We hope you enjoy the show…” If they can use that new technology on the Get Back mono Nagra tapes they can mix down a treasure trove of takes, including a late rehearsal of All Things Must Pass with Billy Preston. If they can separate tracks from rehearsals, at least 50-60 unreleased rehearsal songs can be cleaned up. Maybe that is why the hold up on the Let it Be package.
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Post by lowbasso on Jul 25, 2016 13:48:02 GMT -5
On the remixed Free as a Bird and Real Love tracks Giles did last year for The Beatles 1 DVD's, you can hear a much better Lennon vocal in FAAB than was in the 1994 version. RL is an alternate version from the original 1995 released version, and again the vocals are mixed better. I much prefer the 2015 versions of the reunion songs over the '94-'95 versions. Only problem is you have to pull them off the DVD tracks. They were not released last year as just audio tracks.
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Post by lowbasso on Jul 25, 2016 13:51:36 GMT -5
Really looking forward now to the Ron Howard movie. Not sure how much "demixing" was done in the film to enhance the audio on other film footage of live Beatle concerts in the movie.
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 25, 2016 18:17:37 GMT -5
If they can use that new technology on the Get Back mono Nagra tapes they can mix down a treasure trove of takes, including a late rehearsal of All Things Must Pass with Billy Preston. If they can separate tracks from rehearsals, at least 50-60 unreleased rehearsal songs can be cleaned up. Maybe that is why the hold up on the Let it Be package. That, and they've got to figure out how to get that elephant to fly out of my butt. I'm pretty sure that's got to happen first.
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 25, 2016 18:24:24 GMT -5
Good idea Fred but if they do that I still wish we could have gotten such on a nice "Deluxe Box" of Hollywood Bowl. We hear of technical problems with the 1965 show but weren't there two shows recorded and I've read the problem was Paul's mic went dead for like three songs. Obviously if Paul was the lead vocalist that is a problem but if not then I say release it but explain to fans the technical problems! They released Ed Sullivan and on one of the early broadcasts John's mic was dead so we get Paul dominated songs where both normally sing but we all lived, and we would live here. Again, I assume they weren't Paul solo lead vocals and we know they have a good "She's A Woman" and "Can't Buy Me Love" and A Hard Day's Night(for Paul's lead part in it) so I am not sure what the songs are missing Paul's vocal. These were 51 years ago, technical limitations are allowed! Not so fast John! Micky Dolenz recently was successful with adding 2016 vocals to a 1968 Harry Nilsson song. Perhaps Paul can add his 2016 vocal to his missing parts!!!! Oooooooohhhhhh what fun that would be No comment on using the 2016 Paul vocals, but maybe these drop-outs are where they are using the studio recording. I'd rather they drop in vocals from other live shows. At least they'd be different than what we already have. I'm not too sweet on live recordings anyway but at least give us something we don't have. Like, I don't know, THE COMPLETE ROOFTOP CONCERT!
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Post by mikev on Jul 26, 2016 10:06:20 GMT -5
Not so fast John! Micky Dolenz recently was successful with adding 2016 vocals to a 1968 Harry Nilsson song. Perhaps Paul can add his 2016 vocal to his missing parts!!!! Oooooooohhhhhh what fun that would be No comment on using the 2016 Paul vocals, but maybe these drop-outs are where they are using the studio recording. I'd rather they drop in vocals from other live shows. At least they'd be different than what we already have. I'm not too sweet on live recordings anyway but at least give us something we don't have. Like, I don't know, THE COMPLETE ROOFTOP CONCERT! Using a 2016 vocal was a joke. Micky's performance however was no joke. That (Good Times)is an awesome LP. I would be ok with live edits, the same with the Let it Be live performances as long as it is not too out of control.
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 26, 2016 17:31:30 GMT -5
No comment on using the 2016 Paul vocals, but maybe these drop-outs are where they are using the studio recording. I'd rather they drop in vocals from other live shows. At least they'd be different than what we already have. I'm not too sweet on live recordings anyway but at least give us something we don't have. Like, I don't know, THE COMPLETE ROOFTOP CONCERT! Using a 2016 vocal was a joke. Micky's performance however was no joke. That (Good Times)is an awesome LP. I would be ok with live edits, the same with the Let it Be live performances as long as it is not too out of control. Yeah, I knew the "Paul vocals" comment was a joke, I just wasn't sure how cruel a joke you were trying to make. The vocals on Let it Be sound great to me. I even like the "bleechy blotchie bloochie" line in Don't Let Me Down. I always thought John hadn't decided whether he was going to use the "first time that she done me" line and there it was. When it comes back around to it, he sings the line and the other Beatles have a good laugh. Many of the rooftop vocals ended up on the record.
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Post by stavros on Sept 9, 2016 14:03:04 GMT -5
I acquired my copy of "Hollywood Bowl" today and am listening to it now. Giles seems to have made a decent job in separating the screaming crowd from the music. Although it is ever present in the background you can hear the Beatles clearly except for odd moments.
The bass and drums are loud and clear but the vocals less so. Perhaps even with the various sonic tricks available now it can't make them sound perfect/
Still it's the Beatles live. Just wish they would have crammed a few more songs on there.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 9, 2016 16:39:47 GMT -5
Got the new CD today and played it. I loved it! I thought Giles Martin did a fine job here, and the vocals as well as Ringo's drums really stood forward strongly. I'm glad the screaming was not compromised as I'd heard rumored they were; I think the yelling is very vital in capturing the essence of a wild Beatlemania concert from the early '60s. I also enjoyed the 4 bonus tracks... would have been nice if they could have seamlessly blended them into the "concert proper", but they're fine. One quibble is that "Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby" would have been a more fitting end to the whole disc (just like on BEATLES FOR SALE and BEATLES '65), had they been able to flip it around with "Baby's In Black", which is the actual ending instead here. But I'm real happy there is an official live Beatles album back on the market for fans of all ages to revel in!
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 9, 2016 18:33:34 GMT -5
The album is number 1 in Music, Rock and Pop on amazon.com.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 9, 2016 20:15:15 GMT -5
Got my copy tonight from a local retail store and am going to open a cold beer(or six) and Fab out to the lads rocking and rolling!
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 9, 2016 21:51:49 GMT -5
Drink seven if you have to John. It's Friday. Hopefully you are off work tomorrow.
My copy was sent yesterday by UPS, dropped into USPS for delivery by Wednesday, a week later.
Funny. I paid the same $3.98 that I always pay for a CD/Blu-Ray disc delivery that usually get's delivered in two or three days.
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Post by kc on Sept 9, 2016 23:13:54 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying this CD. There is a definite excitement about it. I probably hadn't listened to the Hollywood Bowl set for about 25 years. Now it's finally on CD.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 10, 2016 7:18:14 GMT -5
The album is number 1 in Music, Rock and Pop on amazon.com. I've noticed that just about every album I click on in amazon.com, you get The Beatles Live at the Hollywood Bowl as a "Frequently Bought Together" selection and as a recommendation in the strip below that. I'll bet everyone is seeing it as a recommendation.
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Post by OldFred on Sept 10, 2016 9:21:17 GMT -5
Got the iTunes download first, the cd will be arriving soon. I'm really enjoying it, Ringo's drums have more presence in the mix now and are very sharp and clear where they were a little buried in the original 1977 mix. Love the bonus cuts, though I wish Giles hadn't separated them and weaved them into the set list to make it into a more concert listening experience. Also wish that If I Fell was included in the bonus cuts. Overall, still a great album and listening experience.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 10, 2016 12:47:43 GMT -5
I ordered my hard disc from amazon.com and autoripped the songs to hear them now. I won't get the disc in the mail until Wednesday. I kind of feel like this splits the experience of having the digipack to look at while listening to the music. This won't get a lot of play from me. The song selection isn't the songs I'm into that much. Paul kind of jumps into Things We Said Today, one of the songs I was interested in hearing. I liked All My Loving.
The constant screaming through the album loses it for me.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 10, 2016 14:15:12 GMT -5
I really enjoyed listening to this last night because it is good to have it back and with four bonus tracks. The Beatles rock hard and are clearly having the times of their lives both in 1964 and 1965, doing what all good Rock Bands do, playing their balls off live!
On the down side for me, I am not as thrilled with the sonics on this new release as the rest of you are who have listened to it. I am not saying Giles Martin screwed up or did something wrong, not at all. I just was not as excited with the sonics as my friends are here. It sounds good but I detect little improvement over my 1977 vinyl record. See JoeK, I can stick up for the warmth and depth of vinyl! But this CD is very good content-wise but I am just not hearing that big of a difference in the sonics.
The other thing I will say is that unlike in 1977 when I was 16 years old and was still a newbie, I am really annoyed that we are still getting today a hybrid concert from two different years. I understand that thinking for one vinyl album such as we got in 1977.
In 2016 with the state of technology we have and the fact that CDs and downloads allow so much more music, we really, really, really should have been given here the complete 1964 HB concert and a complete 1965 HB concert even if they used songs from both of those 1965 shows. I have read that there were defects in some of the 1965 recordings like maybe Paul's mic didn't work on a harmony vocal but they are still exciting enough to be worthy of our listening to. We could tolerate a few glitches for a complete concert.
On the positive side, the bonus tracks are all great! I was thrilled with "Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby," damn George was in rocking form! "You Can't Do That" is a Lennon warhorse and "Baby's In Black" is a good time. I was especially pleased with a very, very good performance of "I Want To Hold Your Hand!" It killed me back in 1977 that this song was not on the original HB album because as an American, "Hand" is the song that broke The Beatles loose here and it should have been on the 1977 album.
Listen to how explosive the boys are on both "Hand" and "She Loves You" which, of course, was on the original release! Man, they are just on fire on their two monster singles! They had lots of U.K. performances of those songs so they kick ass on them!
Like OldFred noted, I am disappointed that we did not get "If I Fell" which was part of their 1964 U.S. setlist. That would have been awesome as it seems so obscure as a live track. There is a great live performance of it on boots from my own Indianapolis in 1964.
One place where I did detect improved sonics was "Dizzy Miss Lizzy!" Wow, John Lennon just shreads the vocal, that folks is a great Rock and Roll performance just as "She's A Woman" is with Paul giving it his all!
Is it me but are The Beatles actually more fired up and the crowd louder in the 1965 tracks than in the 1964 ones?! I love the 1965 ones best but still wish we got complete shows from both years.
This is a great album to have even though I am not as gushy over Giles Martin's 2016 production work as you folks are.
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Post by joeyself on Sept 15, 2016 14:49:49 GMT -5
RE: HOLLYWOOD BOWL, I'm reminded of the bit from ANNIE HALL: There's an old joke - um... two elderly women are at a Catskill mountain resort, and one of 'em says, "Boy, the food at this place is really terrible." The other one says, "Yeah, I know; and such small portions." Well, that's essentially how I feel about life - full of loneliness, and misery, and suffering, and unhappiness, and it's all over much too quickly.
I had no great fondness for the 1977 release. The notion of patching together different shows a year apart just made no sense to me. I know many live albums use tracks from various concerts, but in the same tour. It was better than nothing, I suppose, but just. Flash forward to 2016. The primary media these days are are CD and iTunes, the former still having a 78 minute (give or take) limitation. Both the 1964 show and one of the 1965 (or a composite of the two in '65) could have fit on a CD with no problems. And then there is this: Steve posted an interview today that I saw on his Facebook feed. www.axs.com/exclusive-axs-com-interview-with-giles-martin-producer-of-the-beatles--106573This portion of a sentence caught my eye: "I worked alongside engineer Sam Okell to remove layers of crowd noise which then allowed us to treat the band's sound before putting the crowd back in." What? I understand having the crowd noise at the end of each song--it's a live album--but the extent to which it is mixed into the whole is annoying. Yes, I know, I know, the crowds then WERE annoying, but being annoyed by these screamers in person is far different than being annoyed by them repeatedly on record. If only the sentence read: "I worked alongside engineer Sam Okell to remove layers of crowd noise which then allowed us to treat the band's sound." So, I don't like too much what is there because of the crowd noise, and I don't think there was enough of it. JcS
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 15, 2016 22:20:53 GMT -5
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Post by kc on Sept 16, 2016 18:32:39 GMT -5
#3 on the UK album chart for its first week.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 20, 2016 8:36:41 GMT -5
#7 on the US BILLBOARD 200 chart for its first week. Another Top 10 album, The Beatles' 32nd !
This is actually an impressive showing, considering that many diehard fans said they would stick with their 1977 album and didn't bother to buy the 2016 version. And also quite a showing for a band who broke up nearly 50 years ago! Live albums traditionally don't do as well as studio albums, and this one here is a re-release on top of that. So yes -- amazing.
Some music fans online are joking that the album "only sold 35,000 units", some saying that even Ringo's poorer albums in the 1970's sold more. Doesn't matter in the least, as it's all relative to the times and however charting is calculated in these days. And this also coming at a time where many people are streaming.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 20, 2016 10:23:16 GMT -5
This album has my absolute favorite version of "Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby" and I am pleasantly stunned at how awesome "Hand" is live here. Thank goodness we finally got it as a bonus track!
This album is proof that The Beatles could Rock and Roll with the best of them live if they desired to. Here they knew they were being recorded both years and though nervous(per an interview of John) they give it their all and they kick ass.
Also they are so charismatic and that oozes through our speakers even though we cannot see them, just hear them.
I don't know how often I will play this CD in the future but I will whenever I want to hear the boys Rock out!
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Post by kc on Sept 20, 2016 19:07:17 GMT -5
#8 in Australia. That is actually better than in 1977. It went to #12 then. A worse showing in the UK and US though. #2 for the former and #1 for the latter in 1977. I had hoped for better with this re-release.
For years I have seen Hollywood Bowl listed towards the top of various lists of peoples' choices of what albums they wanted to see finally released on CD. It has taken all these years and yet it doesn't go to number one. IMO this album should have been released on CD a long time ago, probably in the 1990s, or the early 2000s at the latest. We saw with the Anthology and 1 that Beatles' fans were still prepared to buy in big numbers then. That does not seem to be the case today. I know it is a reduced market for physical sales today, but I suspect more is going on. Barbara Streisand scored a US number one recently with about 150 000 sales in the first week. I know that was a new release, but still.
In Australia there has been a lot of promotion of the movie on TV spots, but none that I have seen for the album. How about in your country?
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