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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 4, 2016 5:34:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I've all but abandoned this idea! But didn't Brian Epstein buy a lot of "Love Me Do" singles to help it out(or has Lewisohn debunked that?). I am up to the part of TUNE IN where Pete Best has just been sacked, so I'll find out what Lewisohn's book says soon! However, I do recall hearing somewhere recently again that yeah, it is true that a long of "Love Me Do" singles were purchased by either Brian or someone else in the circle, to ensure a good chart showing. (And I'm not wild about that either!) .
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Post by lowbasso on Oct 4, 2016 7:19:11 GMT -5
Ok. I can say "I'm not buying another one of those" next week, too. See you then! JcS Uncle! I bought five copies of HB on first day release mostly to hand out as gifts but I assure you I had in my mind helping the Beatles in the charts and I thought that by creating an artificial rush on the album in Logansport, others would want an album no longer on the shelf at our Wal-Mart, the only place to buy brand new CDs. Boy was I wrong! And I further got burned because no one wants CDs! You folks all know new cars don't even have CD players unless you ask for one!!! But cars have jacks to plug in mp3 players or IPods or smartphones. Then you have access to your entire music library which can be the entire Beatles catalogue from every group and solo album ever released. CD's are going the way of 8 tracks. It is just easier to carry so much more music on a small device rather than hundreds of discs. I have bluetooth speakers now in my house so my small device connects wirelessly to them in the house or in the car.
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Post by Panther on Oct 4, 2016 9:26:34 GMT -5
But didn't Brian Epstein buy a lot of "Love Me Do" singles to help it out(or has Lewisohn debunked that?). Lewisohn has long since debunked it (it was kind of a crazy theory in the first place). More nonsense that Philip Norman spread as gospel in 1981. Lewisohn has shown that: - Epstein was excessively fair and charitable in sales matters in the early years, and would never have "cheated" the system this way (he had other opportunities to "buy" The Beatles a chart credit, but didn't) - Sales in Liverpool were heavy in the first few weeks of release (Oct./Nov. 1962), but didn't really pick up in London until later (Dec.-Jan.ish), so buying 10,000 singles to cheat the charts wouldn't have worked And, most significantly: - Even if Epstein had bought 10 million copies (instead of 10,000), it wouldn't have changed anything, since the charts were compiled differently in 1962. It didn't matter how many copies were sold in Liverpool -- all that mattered was the top-5 sellers in each region of the UK. Since 'Love Me Do' was already #1 in Liverpool in October/November 1962, no amount of record purchases by Epstein would have altered its chart placing. Epstein was well aware of this.
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Post by andyb on Oct 4, 2016 9:32:34 GMT -5
JSD! Why don't you read one of those 25 different copies of Tune In you bought to get Lewisohn to number 1, instead of staring at them on your shelf? You may learn something.
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Post by lowbasso on Oct 4, 2016 10:31:48 GMT -5
JSD! Why don't you read one of those 25 different copies of Tune In you bought to get Lewisohn to number 1, instead of staring at them on your shelf? You may learn something. Not everyone here on this board are Lewisohn fans.... His research and conclusions have upset the applecart (pun intended) on what many folks wanted to believe and accept as Beatle History. Even Paul & Ringo (and Pete) are learning from his research.... Change comes hard for some folks.....
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 4, 2016 13:50:29 GMT -5
JSD! Why don't you read one of those 25 different copies of Tune In you bought to get Lewisohn to number 1, instead of staring at them on your shelf? You may learn something. Not everyone here on this board are Lewisohn fans.... His research and conclusions have upset the applecart (pun intended) on what many folks wanted to believe and accept as Beatle History. Even Paul & Ringo (and Pete) are learning from his research.... Change comes hard for some folks..... Good one Andy! I am guilty as charged of owning both the regular U.S. Volume 1 and the super-duper imported Volume 1 that is divided into two books. They are the only two Books allowed on my bedroom dresser top and that is meant to impress the hot babes who frequent there! lowbasso please don't lump me in with the Lewisohn haters as I was among the first to pre-order the super-duper Volume I when it went on sale in 2013. I am simply waiting patiently to read all three super -duper Lewisohn Volumes in one sitting and as a protest against 'Cold Turkey' slipping down the charts in 1969!
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 4, 2016 13:55:27 GMT -5
Uncle! I bought five copies of HB on first day release mostly to hand out as gifts but I assure you I had in my mind helping the Beatles in the charts and I thought that by creating an artificial rush on the album in Logansport, others would want an album no longer on the shelf at our Wal-Mart, the only place to buy brand new CDs. Boy was I wrong! And I further got burned because no one wants CDs! You folks all know new cars don't even have CD players unless you ask for one!!! But cars have jacks to plug in mp3 players or IPods or smartphones. Then you have access to your entire music library which can be the entire Beatles catalogue from every group and solo album ever released. CD's are going the way of 8 tracks. It is just easier to carry so much more music on a small device rather than hundreds of discs. I have bluetooth speakers now in my house so my small device connects wirelessly to them in the house or in the car. Believe it or not I am coming around and I love my iPod 4 but my family bought me the one with the least amount of space so I can't rip all of my music to it. My car CD player is also broken in that it won't eject the CD in it although it will play it just fine. Thank God or the deity of your choice that it my home-burned copy of the new Hollywood Bowl album so at least it is The Beatles stuck in my CD player!
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Post by lowbasso on Oct 4, 2016 15:03:15 GMT -5
Not everyone here on this board are Lewisohn fans.... His research and conclusions have upset the applecart (pun intended) on what many folks wanted to believe and accept as Beatle History. Even Paul & Ringo (and Pete) are learning from his research.... Change comes hard for some folks..... Good one Andy! I am guilty as charged of owning both the regular U.S. Volume 1 and the super-duper imported Volume 1 that is divided into two books. They are the only two Books allowed on my bedroom dresser top and that is meant to impress the hot babes who frequent there! lowbasso please don't lump me in with the Lewisohn haters as I was among the first to pre-order the super-duper Volume I when it went on sale in 2013. I am simply waiting patiently to read all three super -duper Lewisohn Volumes in one sitting and as a protest against 'Cold Turkey' slipping down the charts in 1969! At the rate Lewisohn is moving, we may not live long enough to see all three volumes. In fact, HE may not live long enough to complete it! The next two volumes are about the most well known periods of their history, the characters involved are dying off now rather quickly so soon not many will be left to talk to. And the most interested portion of the public interested in reading it will soon need it in audio form as our ability to read may be compromised as we enter our 70's, 80's and 90's. Rome was built faster than this project. The Beatles only existed for about one decade. But it is taking three times that to write about it. I appreciate accuracy and detail, but there is also the remainder of the first Beatle fan generations lifespans to consider as well....
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 4, 2016 15:57:35 GMT -5
LOL, you have convinced me to start reading the deluxe version of Volume I!!!!
I could be hit by an I.U. bus when going to a football game in Bloomington before getting to read it! I just remember hating watching each Lord Of The Rings movie separately having to wait like a year for the next one! Good thing I am young enough where all the books were already all out. The original fans had to wait for those books too, I think. Same analogy to Mark Lewisohn.
ML is so good we are dying waiting for the next Volume and then the final Volume!
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Post by Panther on Oct 4, 2016 18:07:18 GMT -5
They are the only two Books allowed on my bedroom dresser top and that is meant to impress the hot babes who frequent there! Re: Hot babes who are impressed by Beatle books -- remember, beauty is only a light-switch away.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 4, 2016 18:33:26 GMT -5
CD's are going the way of 8 tracks. It is just easier to carry so much more music on a small device rather than hundreds of discs. Blah, Blah, Blah. Meanwhile they keep making CDs, and Blu-rays, and Vinyl. I can't keep up with the purchases of each, as there are so many always coming out that are on my "want" list. And in the case of Vinyl, new young generations are loving it. I thought that format was supposed to be long dead. Soon we will not need anything in our homes except one tiny device that has it all ... the TV, the dishwasher, the furniture. Soon I suppose the houses themselves will be on the device.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 4:06:06 GMT -5
Will i be able to hold that device above my head and have a shower ?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 5, 2016 6:17:54 GMT -5
Will i be able to hold that device above my head and have a shower ? Why waste time physically taking a shower? People cannot be bogged down with that. One day in the near future you will place the device near the bed when you sleep and you will arise in the morning all clean and bathed. That is, of course, until beds are also replaced.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 6:34:21 GMT -5
Will i be able to hold that device above my head and have a shower ? Why waste time physically taking a shower? People cannot be bogged down with that. One day in the near future you will place the device near the bed when you sleep and you will arise in the morning all clean and bathed. That is, of course, until beds are also replaced. I also have faith that this device will know, without prompting, that Let It Be was the Beatles last album, using Ron Howard to back up the claim.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 5, 2016 6:47:51 GMT -5
I also have faith that this device will know, without prompting, that Let It Be was the Beatles last album, using Ron Howard to back up the claim. I wouldn't rely on Ron Howard for anything accurate historically. That honor is more suited to Mark Lewisohn, who realizes that ABBEY ROAD was really The Beatles' last recorded group LP (though of course nobody can deny that LET IT BE was their last released LP, which came out backwards).
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Post by mikev on Oct 5, 2016 8:15:11 GMT -5
I also have faith that this device will know, without prompting, that Let It Be was the Beatles last album, using Ron Howard to back up the claim. I wouldn't rely on Ron Howard for anything accurate historically. That honor is more suited to Mark Lewisohn, who realizes that ABBEY ROAD was really The Beatles' last recorded group LP (though of course nobody can deny that LET IT BE was their last released LP, which came out backwards). Ron Howard already has enough problems like questions on whether or not Mayberry RFD counts as the last Andy Griffith Show episodes, of if Happy Days episodes after Richie Cunningham left count within the Happy Days cannon. Of course, we all know Happy Days jumped the shark when...Fonzie jumped the shark... And everybody knows the last true studio album of originals featuring the Beatles is RINGO.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 5, 2016 8:51:05 GMT -5
And everybody knows the last true studio album of originals featuring the Beatles is RINGO. Well, ANTHOLOGY, really... but I wouldn't want to embarrass poor fabfour more than he already is.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 5, 2016 10:01:11 GMT -5
I wouldn't rely on Ron Howard for anything accurate historically. That honor is more suited to Mark Lewisohn, who realizes that ABBEY ROAD was really The Beatles' last recorded group LP (though of course nobody can deny that LET IT BE was their last released LP, which came out backwards). Ron Howard already has enough problems like questions on whether or not Mayberry RFD counts as the last Andy Griffith Show episodes, of if Happy Days episodes after Richie Cunningham left count within the Happy Days cannon. Of course, we all know Happy Days jumped the shark when...Fonzie jumped the shark... And everybody knows the last true studio album of originals featuring the Beatles is RINGO. This should be in the EDAW Thread but we are talking about Ron Howard so I will say I love the official promo video for EDAW with Ron Howard, Paul McCartney, and Ringo Starr. Ringo and Paul admit in the video that they had not seen the final cut yet(this interview was filmed before the premier)but Ringo was excited that Opie cut a lot of the talking heads from what Ringo had seen in the early versions of the film. Ringo groused that there were too many contemporary people talking who weren't there! Ringo liked that a lot of talking heads were cut and that now it, "was more Paul and I." Ringo wasn't forgetting John and George's old interviews included in the film but referring to 2016 interviews of some pretty B-grade celebrities with EC as an exception.
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 7, 2016 11:12:06 GMT -5
I just noticed that The Beatles: Live at the Hollywood Bowl has dropped to number 99 on Billboard. Funny, they are using the Beatles at the Hollywood Bowl cover from the older release. Have they been using it all along?
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 7, 2016 12:34:05 GMT -5
I just noticed that The Beatles: Live at the Hollywood Bowl has dropped to number 99 on Billboard. Funny, they are using the Beatles at the Hollywood Bowl cover from the older release. Have they been using it all along? That is what I saw a week ago when I checked! Billboard is not helping The Beatles marketing-wise by using the wrong album cover.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 3:56:30 GMT -5
And everybody knows the last true studio album of originals featuring the Beatles is RINGO. Well, ANTHOLOGY, really... but I wouldn't want to embarrass poor fabfour more than he already is. I'm not at all embarrassed about being factual.
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Post by kc on Oct 28, 2016 18:32:51 GMT -5
Elvis has done it again. His new release, The Wonder Of You, has gone to number one in the UK album charts. That makes his historical total in that country 13, whereas the Beatles are still on 15, two ahead, but apparently stuck on that figure. The new album is another with orchestral overdubs, but top of the charts nonetheless. Elvis's fans are legitimate, but Beatles fans are looking a bit pathetic, unwilling to put their money where their mouths are.
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Post by kc on Dec 2, 2016 20:59:50 GMT -5
I just noticed that Rolling Stone gave The Beatles At The Hollywood Bowl a full five stars in its review. I agree with them. This album is overflowing with energy, both from the band and the audience. Not to mention its historical importance.
By the way, they have given the new Rolling Stones blues covers set four and a half stars, so I went out today and bought that as well.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 3, 2016 6:24:23 GMT -5
Not bad.
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Post by kc on Dec 10, 2016 21:03:57 GMT -5
The Rolling Stones are number one on the Official Charts Company UK album chart with Blue and Lonesome. Their reissue of Exile On Main Street did the same in 2010. Not our guys though.
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