kc
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Post by kc on Oct 1, 2016 21:03:28 GMT -5
It's not enough to generate strong sales and an act of the stature of the Beatles should deliver strong sales. Elvis had a number one album in the UK just last year ( If I Can Dream). It stayed at the top of the chart for two weeks but then stayed around for months so that it has passed one million sales in that country (Source: Official Charts Company). Hollywood Bowl has bombed in comparison. IF I CAN DREAM did well because it was a lot of orchestration added to old Elvis songs. Okay, then let's see what happens with Beatles sales if/when classical orchestration is added to Beatles songs (on second though, never mind... I wouldn't want that.. LOVE was dicey enough). Bringing up Elvis is not a good point, since obviously Elvis' popularity with today's youth has plummeted even further than The Beatles' . My record store owners can tell you that it's "hard to move Elvis stuff", but that "The Beatles sell all day". The Beatles are still a hot commodity in the Collecting World... Elvis, not so much. I have even gone to one used record store to try and sell some Elvis records I no longer need and the guy there tells me Elvis is a tough sell. But when I have extra Beatles LPs or other memorabilia to sell there, the guy takes them every time, and pays well. It's easy to look it up, that The Beatles today are a hotter commodity than Elvis (IF I CAN DREAM's classical concoction notwithstanding). Joe, we were discussing recent new release chart positions and sales. You even asked above “how many other artists who stopped making new music nearly fifty years ago can achieve this.” Elvis’s 2015/16 achievement is completely relevant. He outdid the Beatles in this respect. What is irrelevant is pointing out that his new album featured added orchestration. It was still a substantial hit (at least in the UK), something the Beatles have not achieved with a new release since 1. You say that “Elvis’s popularity with today’s youth has plummeted even further than the Beatles,” but his established fans seem to be more willing to buy his new releases than the older Beatles fans. Dylan gets number ones, so does Streisand, Rod Stewart can sell twenty million copies globally of his standards albums, but the Beatles now underachieve in comparison. So does McCartney. I don’t understand why and would like to know. I’m not satisfied.
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Post by kc on Oct 1, 2016 21:10:57 GMT -5
Of course a charting position does not mean that any one song is better or less better than another song. But sometimes it may be an indicator of what is popular and what is not. Of course we aren't going to decide if we like an album (be it HOLLYWOOD BOWL or any other) just based on the charting performance. I ask: who cares if some people do express an interest in chart positions? So what? Why do some people get so bent out of shape when some fans like to discuss charting? Let them be interested and have their fun. I completely agree with you here. To me, chart positions and sales do hold importance. I'm not saying they are everything, or even the most important thing. Like you say, they are an indication/proof of popularity and continued interest in an artist. If an album is of high quality, then good, but if it is of high quality and also sells well, then doubly good. What is wrong with commercial success? It just means that a lot of people like the work. It also might provide the justification for a subsequent release.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 1, 2016 22:03:21 GMT -5
I am with JoeK and KC! Charts are fun and important!
I am tired of all kids getting participation trophies just for trying rather than just winners getting trophies for an actual accomplishment! I am likewise tired of all artists ultimately getting in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame even if it is not until after the artist is dead as well as their fans!
Winners in sports and #1s on music charts recognize excellence!
I am like KC, I am pissed that every old artist out there has gotten a Billboard 2oo #1 album in the past 10 years except Paul and yes, Ringo! This bit about Streisand getting a #1 is the straw that broke my camel's back!
Babs isn't a songwriter and musician, she is a singer of great skill for sure but she gets a #1 and Paul who is songwriter, primary musician, sole singer and even co-producer of a string of amazing albums since Chaos cannot get one stinking #1!
We must do better! If I was Macca, I'd be pissed at the people who go to his concerts and scream and cry for him to do old shit but don't want to hear and don't want to buy his new albums! Ringo does take it to the fans as when he introduces the one new song he always does on his tours, he IDs the song and says it is from the album that, "sold all of 500 copies!"
Good on Ringo for shaming the fans who want to forever hear "It Don't Come Easy," "Photograph" or "Yellow Submarine" but don't want to know about his new music! Paul could say that just once to his large concert crowds and they would get the hint and Paul's albums would go to #1 again!
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Post by kc on Oct 2, 2016 0:21:37 GMT -5
But ultimately, who cares where it charts? (Besides you, that is.) Chart placement has never been an indicator of quality, and certainly is not now. JcS I think we have lost the singles #1 war, I am not sure. I think from memory the Beatles are still on top of the Billboard singles hierarchy. They have 20, while Elvis and Mariah Carey are tied for second place with 18 each. There is therefore a possibility that Carey might eventually reach or overtake the Beatles. I don't know how her recent releases have fared. Maybe she is done. There is a problem though. Billboard's figures only go back to 1955, I think. It appears to me that the real title holder is actually Bing Crosby. He had about 42 US number 1's, as far as I can work out just by surfing the web. If that is right then neither Elvis, nor the Beatles ever displaced him.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 2, 2016 0:57:09 GMT -5
Yeah, Mariah Carey is done. Elvis of all people could have more #1 as they "Free As A Bird" him with old recordings jazzed up.
That's why we needed GTGYIML(1976) and FAAB at least to have been #1s, they had the best chances of the ones I mentioned.
Remember Beatles fans, re-buy HB the second week of October! Let's push the Fabs to #1 where they belong!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 2, 2016 5:27:33 GMT -5
I think from memory the Beatles are still on top of the Billboard singles hierarchy. They have 20, while Elvis and Mariah Carey are tied for second place with 18 each. There is therefore a possibility that Carey might eventually reach or overtake the Beatles. I don't know how her recent releases have fared. Maybe she is done. There is a problem though. Billboard's figures only go back to 1955, I think. It appears to me that the real title holder is actually Bing Crosby. He had about 42 US number 1's, as far as I can work out just by surfing the web. If that is right then neither Elvis, nor the Beatles ever displaced him. Even when it is speculated that any artist may have more hit singles than The Beatles, I always like to point out that The Beatles accomplished their feat with far less years of recording. So the theory would be that -- had The Beatles continued to make new records into the 1970's and not only from 1962 -1969 -- they probably would have had many MORE.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 2, 2016 5:44:24 GMT -5
Joe, we were discussing recent new release chart positions and sales. You even asked above “how many other artists who stopped making new music nearly fifty years ago can achieve this.” Elvis’s 2015/16 achievement is completely relevant. He outdid the Beatles in this respect. What is irrelevant is pointing out that his new album featured added orchestration. It was still a substantial hit (at least in the UK), something the Beatles have not achieved with a new release since 1. Well, like I said, I think the significant reason that The Royal Philharmonic's IF I CAN DREAM album did well in the UK is because of the Philharmonic Orchestra additions. The Elvis songs themselves were just his standard old tracks underneath the glitter. You know, I too am an Elvis fan and he has had a LOT of regular new releases (most recently, THE JUNGLE ROOM SESSIONS). They don't usually get as high as even Paul's newest albums, I don't think. We should check out the charting positions for Elvis' newest releases and see if they match The Beatles'. For example, there was a grand re-issuing of one of Elvis' live albums in the last few years.. did that make at least #7 on the US BILLBOARD 200, like LIVE AT THE HOLLYWOOD BOWL did? Well, *I* don't say that Elvis' popularity has plummeted; yes I reported it here, but I get that from the retailers and record store owners/collectors I frequent. However, I am completely with you in being mystified and baffled how other older artists can do this but not The Beatles. The only thing I can suggest is that artists you've named here like Bob Dylan, Streisand, and Rod Stewart are all "still around and making new records as modern recording artists", while The Beatles have been defunct as recording artists since 1970, and now have to rely on old recordings which are 50 years ago, and not "new music". Of course the exception is Paul McCartney, who is also very much a living modern artist yet cannot get a #1. But in some cases it has been purely a matter of bad timing on his behalf. His NEW album, for example, was released right at the same week as some other very hot modern artists! Was it Miley Cyrus last time? If Paul's albums would hit the racks at a week where there wasn't as much competition, perhaps he could get the coveted #1 spot.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 2, 2016 6:06:43 GMT -5
I am like KC, I am pissed that every old artist out there has gotten a Billboard 2oo #1 album in the past 10 years except Paul and yes, Ringo! This bit about Streisand getting a #1 is the straw that broke my camel's back! Babs isn't a songwriter and musician, she is a singer of great skill for sure but she gets a #1 and Paul who is songwriter, primary musician, sole singer and even co-producer of a string of amazing albums since Chaos cannot get one stinking #1! It is baffling, I agree. But one other thing I have considered is that in the minds of most fans and the masses, Paul McCartney is considered "1/4 of The Beatles" (same with Ringo). With artists like Dylan, Streisand and Stewart, they are all their own entity, if you know what I mean... the main act there has always been Bob Dylan, Barbra Streisand, Rod Stewart... so there is nothing "missing from the formula", in many people's collective reasoning. Thus, if THE BEATLES were all alive and together in 2016 as a band, and recording brand new albums like Babs, Rod, and Zimmy... who knows? I'm sure they would get #1's today with brand new music by the four of them. For Paul and Ringo, it is THE BEATLES as a whole that is viewed as the full deal, not just these individuals.
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 2, 2016 7:41:56 GMT -5
Mariah Carey fans should all get together in the second week of October and buy Infinity, her last single. They could probably send it up to number 1.
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Post by nine on Oct 2, 2016 8:58:38 GMT -5
If you have another listen to Free As A Bird you'll realise why it didn't get to #1. You're spot on there.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 2, 2016 11:02:01 GMT -5
Mariah Carey fans should all get together in the second week of October and buy Infinity, her last single. They could probably send it up to number 1. Right?! That's what I am afraid of! Is there a single from HB?
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Post by joeyself on Oct 2, 2016 19:47:23 GMT -5
We must do better! If I was Macca, I'd be pissed at the people who go to his concerts and scream and cry for him to do old shit but don't want to hear and don't want to buy his new albums! Ringo does take it to the fans as when he introduces the one new song he always does on his tours, he IDs the song and says it is from the album that, "sold all of 500 copies!" Good on Ringo for shaming the fans who want to forever hear "It Don't Come Easy," "Photograph" or "Yellow Submarine" but don't want to know about his new music! Paul could say that just once to his large concert crowds and they would get the hint and Paul's albums would go to #1 again! Who is this "We" you speak of? *I* don't have to do better; I went through the check-out line with a copy of HB before I remembered it was on Spotify. I didn't take it back--I did my part. As for Ringo shaming fans that prefer the old stuff--consider me shamed. I've not found much on any of this albums since TIME TAKES TIME to cause me to want to play them repeatedly, and frankly, I've stopped buying them. I think VERTICAL MAN is the last one I bought new--Best Buy had some bonus tracks with it--and I skipped POSTCARDS, LIVERPOOL 8 and 2012 entirely (I think one of those were on Rhapsody, and I didn't even finish it). JcS
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 2, 2016 19:57:15 GMT -5
Plenty of fine Ringo songs on his albums after TIME TAKES TIME. Many are way better than "Don't Pass Me By" . The recording of "Wings" from RINGO 2012 is one of the best things he's ever done.
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 2, 2016 20:14:57 GMT -5
Plenty of fine Ringo songs on his albums after TIME TAKES TIME. Many are way better than "Don't Pass Me By" . The recording of "Wings" from RINGO 2012 is one of the best things he's ever done. The 2012 version of Wings made me reappreciate the version on Ringo the 4th. It's not as good as the remake but it has a charm about it. David Spinozza on The 4th. Joe Walsh on 2012.You have to go with the Joe Walsh version. Now you've got me humming it. I'll play both versions now and have it in my head all week.
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 2, 2016 20:23:07 GMT -5
Who is this "We" you speak of? *I* don't have to do better; I went through the check-out line with a copy of HB before I remembered it was on Spotify. I didn't take it back--I did my part. JcS Everyone knows that playing the album on Spotify counts in the charts too, right?
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Post by lowbasso on Oct 2, 2016 21:33:00 GMT -5
Charts not important!? I get angry when the media and pundits claims that artists starting with ABBA, Michael Jackson, Garth Brooks, Mariah Carey, Beyoncé, etc. have more #1s than The Beatles or sell more records! I want The Beatles to score so many more #1s that it is not even close. I think we have lost the singles #1 war, I am not sure. That's why it killed me that "Got To Get You Into My Life"(1976), "Twist And Shout"(Used in Ferris Bueller movie)), Baby Its You(BBC 1) FAAB, and RL both did not go to #1! In America, at least, we love winners. Number 1 is every thing, number 2 means nothing, #2 is a loser! Paul McCartney recognizes this and said that The Beatles were not coming to the USA until The Beatles had a #1 and he disavows any solo album or solo single of his that did not get to #1. So Joey and other Members, join me and let's designate the second week of October to go out and buy at least two more copies each of HB! Tell your Beatles friends! In order: No, charts aren't important. Was "Release Me" better than "Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields Forever?" More to the point, do you enjoy HB less because it spent only one week in the top 10 (which I wouldn't have known if you didn't bring it up)? And that you don't KNOW if the Beatles (not "we") have lost the singles war tells you how unimportant it is. McCartney has been shown to be wrong on that claim. They were coming to America with or without a #1. But the disavowal you speak of--if true--would be done by a guy that is reportedly quite shallow in some areas. This would be one of those, no? I see what you did there--everyone is supposed to buy 2 more--but that still won't equal 100,000 if all that bought it in the first week go back to buy two more (assuming there are that many in the store). JcS The Beatles are beyond ever needing to "chart" anything anymore. Their music and albums are almost all 50 years old now. Besides FAAB & RL,they have not released a song since 1970, 46 years ago. With two members now deceased, the band is now just history. They are now simply in the top echelon of the annals of Popular Music History much like Mozart and Beethoven are in the annals of Classical Music History. People continue to buy recordings of Mozart's music and historians consider him the greatest classical composer of all time. But his music does not have to "Chart" in the classical genre to prove he was the best. Likewise The Beatles will always be "bought" or listened to by subsequent generations going forward in time. Their music is considered "classic" in it's own genre and will endure as long as there are people alive who want to listen to popular music. Though I think over the next century or so their music will become "classic" as well and as accepted as the best in their genre as Mozart's is now in his. With music now listened to in so many diverse ways, charting is becoming obsolete. The Beatles are forever planted on the summit of their form of music and likely will never be knocked off it like Mozart has remained on his own summit now for over 200 years. Their catalogue is simply too good to ever be topped by anyone. Mozart also died when he was just 35 years old so he never even got to see himself accepted as the greatest classical composer of all times. Paul & Ringo have been blessed with living into their 70's (and maybe longer) so they have lived long enough to see their Beatle output become iconic and peerless in their own lifetimes. Very few artists who achieve to that level are given the opportunity to see themselves come to that point.
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Post by kc on Oct 2, 2016 21:36:04 GMT -5
Poor old Ringo. When was the last time he made a dent in the charts? I think he has a new studio album coming out next year. He should finally include a cover of I Can Help on it, release it as a single and we can all buy that and send it to the top of the charts.
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 2, 2016 22:01:14 GMT -5
Poor old Ringo. When was the last time he made a dent in the charts? I think he has a new studio album coming out next year. He should finally include a cover of I Can Help on it, release it as a single and we can all buy that and send it to the top of the charts. He'd better hurry. The second week of October is almost here.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 3, 2016 5:23:24 GMT -5
Poor old Ringo. When was the last time he made a dent in the charts? In 2010 his Y NOT album managed to make #58 on the US BILLBOARD 200 chart. Not bad, for Ringo.
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Post by joeyself on Oct 3, 2016 13:50:20 GMT -5
Poor old Ringo. When was the last time he made a dent in the charts? Depends on what you call "a dent," I guess; he charted last year in the UK, the US and Holland with POSTCARDS FROM PARADISE, reaching #99 in the USA. Here is the Wikipedia chart history for his career, at least as far as solo releases are concerned: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringo_Starr_discography#Solo
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Post by joeyself on Oct 3, 2016 13:58:10 GMT -5
Who is this "We" you speak of? *I* don't have to do better; I went through the check-out line with a copy of HB before I remembered it was on Spotify. I didn't take it back--I did my part. JcS Everyone knows that playing the album on Spotify counts in the charts too, right? I did not know it was part of the album chart until you mentioned it. I thought it was singles only, but from this article, 1500 streams of a song from an album counts as a sale of one unit now. www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6320099/billboard-200-makeover-streams-digital-tracksJcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 3, 2016 17:11:59 GMT -5
Who is this "We" you speak of? *I* don't have to do better; I went through the check-out line with a copy of HB before I remembered it was on Spotify. I didn't take it back--I did my part. The "We" is you, me and all Members here and all other self-respecting Beatles fans out there! That is awesome that you already bought a copy of HB as that is showing your colors for The Beatles! But we didn't try hard enough if all we got was a crummy #7! Let's try again this next week!
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 3, 2016 22:01:10 GMT -5
Here is why Apple is crap and The Beatles(what's left of them) treat us fans like absolute dog shit. Bob Dylan is releasing a 36 CD Boxset in November of every known recording of 1966 live performances on his controversial World Tour: Bob Dylan | The 1966 Live Recordings | 36 CD Box Set Sale $ 134.99 Regular price $ 149.98 Will not ship until November 11, 2016
Highly Collectible 36CD Box Set Includes Previously Unreleased Soundboards, CBS Records Mobile Recordings and Audience Tapes Capturing Electrifying Performances and Combative Crowd Responses Many of the Recordings on this Collection Have Never Been Circulated in Any Form Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings Available Friday, November 11, 2016
Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings – a highly-collectible 36CD box set containing every known recording from the artist’s groundbreaking 1966 concert tours of the US, UK, Europe and Australia–will be released on Friday, November 11 by Columbia Records and Legacy Recordings, the catalog division of Sony Music Entertainment. The 1966 Live Recordings commemorates, in stunning sonic vérité, the 50th anniversary of the electrifying live performances that would forever change the sound and direction of rock and pop music around the world. “While doing the archival research for The Cutting Edge 1965-1966: The Bootleg Series Vol. 12, last year’s box set of Dylan’s mid-60s studio sessions, we were continually struck by how great his 1966 live recordings really are,” said Adam Block, President, Legacy Recordings. “The intensity of Bob’s live performances and his fantastic delivery of these songs in concert add another insightful component in understanding and appreciating the musical revolution Bob Dylan ignited some 50 years ago.” Meticulously researched, curated and restored for this extraordinary collection, Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings is drawn from three main audio sources: soundboards, CBS Records mobile recordings and audience tapes. With the exception of the Manchester concert (May 17, 1966) released as Bob Dylan Live 1966 – The Bootleg Series Vol. 4 (Columbia/Legacy) in 1998, a pair of songs appearing on the 1985 Biograph compilation and a smattering of others, the overwhelming majority of tracks and performances on Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings are previously unreleased in any format–official or bootlegged–and are being made available now for the very first time. All the songs on The 1966 Live Recordings were written by Bob Dylan (vocal, guitar, piano, harmonica) with the sole exception of “Baby, Let Me Follow You Down,” a traditional song arranged by Bob Dylan for concert performance. Dylan is accompanied on these recordings by Robbie Robertson (guitar), Rick Danko (bass, backing vocals), Richard Manuel (piano), Garth Hudson (organ) and Mickey Jones (drums). (Sandy Konikoff plays drums on the White Plains and Pittsburgh shows only.) Liner notes for Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings have been provided by Clinton Heylin, a consultant on the project and author of JUDAS!: From Forest Hills to the Free Trade Hall: A Historical View of Dylan’s Big Boo, the definitive written account of Dylan’s historic and pivotal 1965-66 world tours. Each of the individual CDs in Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings is housed in a custom sleeve featuring stills from color film shot by D.A. Pennebaker, whose footage from Dylan’s 1965 and 1966 tours became the cinéma vérité classics Dont Look Back (1965) and Eat The Document (1966). The performances on Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings put a fiery exclamation point on Dylan’s great mid-sixties creative epoch that produced–in an 18-month span– Bringing It All Back Home, Highway 61 Revisited and Blonde On Blonde, the trilogy of album masterpieces which secured Dylan’s reputation as a songwriter and performer of unprecedented depth, power and originality while significantly impacting the course of popular music and culture. These concert recordings from the same period document Dylan’s evolution as an on-stage phenomenon whose transformative vision saw no limits. Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings is the ideal concert companion to The Cutting Edge 1965-1966: The Bootleg Series Vol. 12, released on Columbia/Legacy last November. Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings Disc 1 – Sydney, April 13, 1966 (Soundboard recorded by TCN 9 TV Australia) Disc 2 – Sydney, April 13, 1966 (Soundboard recorded by TCN 9 TV Australia) Disc 3 – Melbourne, April 20, 1966 (Soundboard / unknown broadcast) Disc 4 – Copenhagen, May 1, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 5 – Dublin, May 5, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 6 – Dublin, May 5, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 7 – Belfast, May 6, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 8 – Belfast, May 6, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 9 – Bristol, May 10, 1966 (Soundboard / audience) Disc 10 – Bristol, May 10, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 11 – Cardiff, May 11, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 12 – Birmingham, May 12, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 13 – Birmingham, May 12, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 14 – Liverpool, May 14, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 15 – Leicester, May 15, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 16 – Leicester, May 15, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 17 – Sheffield, May 16, 1966 (CBS Records recording) Disc 18 – Sheffield, May 16, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 19 – Manchester, May 17, 1966 (CBS Records recording) Disc 20 – Manchester, May 17, 1966 (CBS Records recording except Soundcheck / Soundboard) Disc 21 – Glasgow, May 19, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 22 – Edinburgh, May 20, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 23 – Edinburgh, May 20, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 24 – Newcastle, May 21, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 25 – Newcastle, May 21, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 26 – Paris, May 24, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 27 – Paris, May 24, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 28 – London, May 26, 1966 (CBS Records recording) Disc 29 – London, May 26, 1966 (CBS Records recording) Disc 30 – London, May 27, 1966 (CBS Records recording) Disc 31 – London, May 27, 1966 (CBS Records recordings) Disc 32 – White Plains, NY, February 5, 1966 (Audience tape) Disc 33 – Pittsburgh, PA, February 6, 1966 (Audience tape) Disc 34 – Hempstead, NY, February 26, 1966 (Audience tape) Disc 35 – Melbourne, April 19, 1966 (Audience tape) Disc 36 – Stockholm, April 29, 1966 (Audience tape)
As you can see, Pop Market has this on sale for $134.99 or $3.75 per CD! And here us Beatles fans simply asked for maybe the complete 1964 and 1965 Hollywood Bowl concerts since a CD can accommodate easily both concerts on one disc and downloads are unlimited. But no, we did get four bonus tracks while Dylan gives his fans something amazing for the hardcore fan at what really is a stunning price! This is probably too much live Dylan for even me but at least it is available and that was a historic tour by Dylan who at least gave his all on his '66 tour unlike The Beatles who didn't even rehearse. News like this shows how ill-treated incredibly loyal Beatles fans are. Apple basically throws us crumbs to force us to bend over and BAM, we get reamed by Apple for our money on the same old stuff with very little new!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 3, 2016 22:23:04 GMT -5
Here is why Apple is crap and The Beatles(what's left of them) treat us fans like absolute dog shit. Bob Dylan is releasing a 36 CD Boxset in November of every known recording of 1966 live performances on his controversial World Tour: -- And here us Beatles fans simply asked for maybe the complete 1964 and 1965 Hollywood Bowl concerts since a CD can accommodate easily both concerts on one disc and downloads are unlimited. But no, we did get four bonus tracks while Dylan gives his fans something amazing for the hardcore fan at what really is a stunning price! This is probably too much live Dylan for even me but at least it is available and that was a historic tour by Dylan who at least gave his all on his '66 tour unlike The Beatles who didn't even rehearse. News like this shows how ill-treated incredibly loyal Beatles fans are. Apple basically throws us crumbs to force us to bend over and BAM, we get reamed by Apple for our money on the same old stuff with very little new! As a fan and collector I drool at the prospect of getting so much similar-type Beatles material. But I must tell you, John, that I am not sure if it would be a good idea. The Beatles themselves were always very careful and meticulous for the most part in giving us the best of the best. They did not want garbage getting out there (Paul in particular) and truthfully, a lot of the Beatles' live material is pretty putrid. I would hate for their worst performances to be issued and have their reputation really soured. So while I always become elated at the sheer notion of acquiring so much "secret stuff"... it may come at a price for The Fabs' reputation!
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Post by joeyself on Oct 3, 2016 22:24:38 GMT -5
Who is this "We" you speak of? *I* don't have to do better; I went through the check-out line with a copy of HB before I remembered it was on Spotify. I didn't take it back--I did my part. The "We" is you, me and all Members here and all other self-respecting Beatles fans out there! That is awesome that you already bought a copy of HB as that is showing your colors for The Beatles! But we didn't try hard enough if all we got was a crummy #7! Let's try again this next week! Ok. I can say "I'm not buying another one of those" next week, too. See you then! JcS
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 3, 2016 22:29:13 GMT -5
The "We" is you, me and all Members here and all other self-respecting Beatles fans out there! That is awesome that you already bought a copy of HB as that is showing your colors for The Beatles! But we didn't try hard enough if all we got was a crummy #7! Let's try again this next week! I haven't weighed in on your idea JSD, but count me as one of those fans who did his part already by buying his 1 copy of the CD (and I'll also be getting the Vinyl next month). But this idea of buying "multiple" copies? That's taking things too far. And after all, who wants The Beatles to get an artificial #1 by having fans by two or more copies?? Where is the authenticity in that? Instead I think that all the Beatles "fans" out there ought to at least buy their ONE copy.
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Post by joeyself on Oct 3, 2016 22:31:11 GMT -5
Here is why Apple is crap and The Beatles(what's left of them) treat us fans like absolute dog shit. Bob Dylan is releasing a 36 CD Boxset in November of every known recording of 1966 live performances on his controversial World Tour: Bob Dylan | The 1966 Live Recordings | 36 CD Box Set Sale $ 134.99 Regular price $ 149.98 Will not ship until November 11, 2016
Highly Collectible 36CD Box Set Includes Previously Unreleased Soundboards, CBS Records Mobile Recordings and Audience Tapes Capturing Electrifying Performances and Combative Crowd Responses Many of the Recordings on this Collection Have Never Been Circulated in Any Form Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings Available Friday, November 11, 2016
Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings – a highly-collectible 36CD box set containing every known recording from the artist’s groundbreaking 1966 concert tours of the US, UK, Europe and Australia–will be released on Friday, November 11 by Columbia Records and Legacy Recordings, the catalog division of Sony Music Entertainment. The 1966 Live Recordings commemorates, in stunning sonic vérité, the 50th anniversary of the electrifying live performances that would forever change the sound and direction of rock and pop music around the world. “While doing the archival research for The Cutting Edge 1965-1966: The Bootleg Series Vol. 12, last year’s box set of Dylan’s mid-60s studio sessions, we were continually struck by how great his 1966 live recordings really are,” said Adam Block, President, Legacy Recordings. “The intensity of Bob’s live performances and his fantastic delivery of these songs in concert add another insightful component in understanding and appreciating the musical revolution Bob Dylan ignited some 50 years ago.” Meticulously researched, curated and restored for this extraordinary collection, Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings is drawn from three main audio sources: soundboards, CBS Records mobile recordings and audience tapes. With the exception of the Manchester concert (May 17, 1966) released as Bob Dylan Live 1966 – The Bootleg Series Vol. 4 (Columbia/Legacy) in 1998, a pair of songs appearing on the 1985 Biograph compilation and a smattering of others, the overwhelming majority of tracks and performances on Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings are previously unreleased in any format–official or bootlegged–and are being made available now for the very first time. All the songs on The 1966 Live Recordings were written by Bob Dylan (vocal, guitar, piano, harmonica) with the sole exception of “Baby, Let Me Follow You Down,” a traditional song arranged by Bob Dylan for concert performance. Dylan is accompanied on these recordings by Robbie Robertson (guitar), Rick Danko (bass, backing vocals), Richard Manuel (piano), Garth Hudson (organ) and Mickey Jones (drums). (Sandy Konikoff plays drums on the White Plains and Pittsburgh shows only.) Liner notes for Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings have been provided by Clinton Heylin, a consultant on the project and author of JUDAS!: From Forest Hills to the Free Trade Hall: A Historical View of Dylan’s Big Boo, the definitive written account of Dylan’s historic and pivotal 1965-66 world tours. Each of the individual CDs in Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings is housed in a custom sleeve featuring stills from color film shot by D.A. Pennebaker, whose footage from Dylan’s 1965 and 1966 tours became the cinéma vérité classics Dont Look Back (1965) and Eat The Document (1966). The performances on Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings put a fiery exclamation point on Dylan’s great mid-sixties creative epoch that produced–in an 18-month span– Bringing It All Back Home, Highway 61 Revisited and Blonde On Blonde, the trilogy of album masterpieces which secured Dylan’s reputation as a songwriter and performer of unprecedented depth, power and originality while significantly impacting the course of popular music and culture. These concert recordings from the same period document Dylan’s evolution as an on-stage phenomenon whose transformative vision saw no limits. Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings is the ideal concert companion to The Cutting Edge 1965-1966: The Bootleg Series Vol. 12, released on Columbia/Legacy last November. Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings Disc 1 – Sydney, April 13, 1966 (Soundboard recorded by TCN 9 TV Australia) Disc 2 – Sydney, April 13, 1966 (Soundboard recorded by TCN 9 TV Australia) Disc 3 – Melbourne, April 20, 1966 (Soundboard / unknown broadcast) Disc 4 – Copenhagen, May 1, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 5 – Dublin, May 5, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 6 – Dublin, May 5, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 7 – Belfast, May 6, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 8 – Belfast, May 6, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 9 – Bristol, May 10, 1966 (Soundboard / audience) Disc 10 – Bristol, May 10, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 11 – Cardiff, May 11, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 12 – Birmingham, May 12, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 13 – Birmingham, May 12, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 14 – Liverpool, May 14, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 15 – Leicester, May 15, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 16 – Leicester, May 15, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 17 – Sheffield, May 16, 1966 (CBS Records recording) Disc 18 – Sheffield, May 16, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 19 – Manchester, May 17, 1966 (CBS Records recording) Disc 20 – Manchester, May 17, 1966 (CBS Records recording except Soundcheck / Soundboard) Disc 21 – Glasgow, May 19, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 22 – Edinburgh, May 20, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 23 – Edinburgh, May 20, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 24 – Newcastle, May 21, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 25 – Newcastle, May 21, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 26 – Paris, May 24, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 27 – Paris, May 24, 1966 (Soundboard) Disc 28 – London, May 26, 1966 (CBS Records recording) Disc 29 – London, May 26, 1966 (CBS Records recording) Disc 30 – London, May 27, 1966 (CBS Records recording) Disc 31 – London, May 27, 1966 (CBS Records recordings) Disc 32 – White Plains, NY, February 5, 1966 (Audience tape) Disc 33 – Pittsburgh, PA, February 6, 1966 (Audience tape) Disc 34 – Hempstead, NY, February 26, 1966 (Audience tape) Disc 35 – Melbourne, April 19, 1966 (Audience tape) Disc 36 – Stockholm, April 29, 1966 (Audience tape)
As you can see, Pop Market has this on sale for $134.99 or $3.75 per CD! And here us Beatles fans simply asked for maybe the complete 1964 and 1965 Hollywood Bowl concerts since a CD can accommodate easily both concerts on one disc and downloads are unlimited. But no, we did get four bonus tracks while Dylan gives his fans something amazing for the hardcore fan at what really is a stunning price! This is probably too much live Dylan for even me but at least it is available and that was a historic tour by Dylan who at least gave his all on his '66 tour unlike The Beatles who didn't even rehearse. News like this shows how ill-treated incredibly loyal Beatles fans are. Apple basically throws us crumbs to force us to bend over and BAM, we get reamed by Apple for our money on the same old stuff with very little new! Wow. On the one hand, we have an artist/label that understands its fan-base, and is making money from tapes in the vault that cost money to produce 50 years ago. I have not bought all the Bootleg Series albums--I'm just not interested enough in some of those shows/eras to pay money for it, but it shows great marketing minds at work. Nothing about these have diminished the reputation of Dylan in the least--a lame argument we heard from McCartney about the Beatles' outtakes and live material pre-ANTHOLOGY, quite dispelled since. On the other, we have Apple/Beatles. While it takes four votes as opposed to Dylan's consent, you'd think they would learn something by the way he is handling clearing the closet. But you'd be wrong. JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 3, 2016 22:40:24 GMT -5
Here is why Apple is crap and The Beatles(what's left of them) treat us fans like absolute dog shit. Bob Dylan is releasing a 36 CD Boxset in November of every known recording of 1966 live performances on his controversial World Tour: -- And here us Beatles fans simply asked for maybe the complete 1964 and 1965 Hollywood Bowl concerts since a CD can accommodate easily both concerts on one disc and downloads are unlimited. But no, we did get four bonus tracks while Dylan gives his fans something amazing for the hardcore fan at what really is a stunning price! This is probably too much live Dylan for even me but at least it is available and that was a historic tour by Dylan who at least gave his all on his '66 tour unlike The Beatles who didn't even rehearse. News like this shows how ill-treated incredibly loyal Beatles fans are. Apple basically throws us crumbs to force us to bend over and BAM, we get reamed by Apple for our money on the same old stuff with very little new! As a fan and collector I drool at the prospect of getting so much similar-type Beatles material. But I must tell you, John, that I am not sure if it would be a good idea. The Beatles themselves were always very careful and meticulous for the most part in giving us the best of the best. They did not want garbage getting out there (Paul in particular) and truthfully, a lot of the Beatles' live material is pretty putrid. I would hate for their worst performances to be issued and have their reputation really soured. So while I always become elated at the sheer notion of acquiring so much "secret stuff"... it may come at a price for The Fabs' reputation! Joe, I do not suggest that the Fabs release every live recording from 1964, 1965 and 1965 as yes, that would be very repetitive and there would be some awful performances(Sam Houston Coliseum 1965 concert for instance). I am just saying we all would have loved a deluxe HB album of the entire 1964 and 1965 shows as The Beatles were fantastic there, both years because they knew it was being recorded! It is a shame there wasn't a 1966 recorded Hollywood Bowl concert(they did Dodger Stadium)so we would have a trifecta of U.S. Tours! My point was Dylan(Springsteen and lots of other artists) give their fans some amazing material and we don't get that even though it is out there. There could be an awesome Beatles Live Boxset with the best live recording from 1962 to 1966 without repeating songs and including the many amazing live performances the Beatles gave. We did get four bonus tracks so maybe I am an ungrateful fan. Maybe I am a "Deplorable!"
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 3, 2016 22:45:28 GMT -5
The "We" is you, me and all Members here and all other self-respecting Beatles fans out there! That is awesome that you already bought a copy of HB as that is showing your colors for The Beatles! But we didn't try hard enough if all we got was a crummy #7! Let's try again this next week! Ok. I can say "I'm not buying another one of those" next week, too. See you then! JcS Uncle! I bought five copies of HB on first day release mostly to hand out as gifts but I assure you I had in my mind helping the Beatles in the charts and I thought that by creating an artificial rush on the album in Logansport, others would want an album no longer on the shelf at our Wal-Mart, the only place to buy brand new CDs. Boy was I wrong! And I further got burned because no one wants CDs! You folks all know new cars don't even have CD players unless you ask for one!!!
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 3, 2016 22:52:46 GMT -5
The "We" is you, me and all Members here and all other self-respecting Beatles fans out there! That is awesome that you already bought a copy of HB as that is showing your colors for The Beatles! But we didn't try hard enough if all we got was a crummy #7! Let's try again this next week! I haven't weighed in on your idea JSD, but count me as one of those fans who did his part already by buying his 1 copy of the CD (and I'll also be getting the Vinyl next month). But this idea of buying "multiple" copies? That's taking things too far. And after all, who wants The Beatles to get an artificial #1 by having fans by two or more copies?? Where is the authenticity in that? Instead I think that all the Beatles "fans" out there ought to at least buy their ONE copy. Yeah, I've all but abandoned this idea! But didn't Brian Epstein buy a lot of "Love Me Do" singles to help it out(or has Lewisohn debunked that?). And as I responded above, I can't give away those other copies I bought as no one I know want CDs! It stinks that CD players are no longer standard in new cars! I am done, I will never try to help The Beatles again. Yes, I will buy my one copy of something but no more extra copies in order to create a demand and rush!
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