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Post by sayne on Aug 11, 2008 13:00:09 GMT -5
. . . Since I limit the areas where I commit malpractice to states where I am licensed or admitted for special reasons . . . Good one! ;D
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Aug 11, 2008 15:42:43 GMT -5
Paul is leaking out, or letting leak out, enough information about this little old road trip so us fans, or should I say admirers, can feel all warm and fuzzy knowing that Paul and Nancy are just like us and they are soooo together. Paul is manipulating us once again as to his relationships as has happened since Jane Asher on up. It wasn't so long ago that Paul was so smitten with Heather, forcing her upon us through his public appearances with her on Larry King and political events; in his music("Heather"); and the whole 2002 tour. I think that Paul has a need to demonstrate to us how wonderful his women are to help convince himself. Paul is setting us up for his sure marriage to this Nancy. This marriage will fail too, mark my words. And Nancy would be much more trouble to Paul than Heather ever was in a potential divorce. Nancy apparently comes from money(maybe even mob money) and seems to be much more intelligent than Heather(at least not crazy) so she will be vicious but smart in a divorce, having her own assets to retain the best divorce attorneys in the world as she goes after Paul's fortune. People with money want more money and I agree that Nancy has spotted a sucker, someone whose wealth and prestige as one of the songwriting, lead singing Beatles could open up doors to her that even her dirty trucking money cannot. Paul is repeating the Heather mistake to a "t" but with a much more formidable opponent. This one could get really ugly if, God forbid, Paul loses the P.R. war. It was a no-brainer who the press and public would side with as to Heather but their tolerance and goodwill towards Paul will evaporate with a second marriage and subsequent divorce to another woman his daughter's age and who even looks like Mary McCartney. Speaking as one who's keeping an eye on this trip ( abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/news/mccartneyroute66.html), I can say from my end that everything (with one exception) I'm hearing is coming from other sources than Paul. That one thing is that this is strictly a vacation, though it may be, but I think something else will come of this, but I don't know what.
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Post by Sir Frankie Crisp on Aug 11, 2008 16:43:41 GMT -5
I hope Paul's driving around America in the biggest gas-guzzling SUV known to mankind with the air conditioning blasting away, the windows rolled down, spraying aerosol cans into the atmosphere doing everything humanly possible to accelerate global warming because as I sit here tweezing my uni-brow in my humble little castle north of the 49th parallel, I'm still waiting for summer to arrive. We have had crap weather to this point with cool temperatures and rain followed by showers and storms and more rain and thunderstorms topped off with rain. For chrissake I've still got frost bite and chilblains from the freakin' winter that wouldn't end.
Folks, who really cares what Paul's doing or to whom he's doing it just as long as he's doing it and it doesn't involve any unpleasant bending. Wherever you are Paulie send me a postcard although in all honesty I really couldn't give a monkey's arse what you and Nancy (With the Laughing Face) are doing. Enjoy your billions of dollars, stay healthy and let me know when your next cd is coming out. In the meantime I'll be here doing my best to cull the mosquito population as I drain the moat and keep an eye out for West Nile disease, dengue fever, killer bees from Africa, a hole in the ozone, diphtheria, halitosis and whatever else the environmental alarmists tell me I'm supposed to fear.
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Post by melody on Aug 12, 2008 12:44:51 GMT -5
I hope Paul's driving around America in the biggest gas-guzzling SUV known to mankind with the air conditioning blasting away, the windows rolled down, spraying aerosol cans into the atmosphere doing everything humanly possible to accelerate global warming because as I sit here tweezing my uni-brow in my humble little castle north of the 49th parallel, I'm still waiting for summer to arrive. We have had crap weather to this point with cool temperatures and rain followed by showers and storms and more rain and thunderstorms topped off with rain. For chrissake I've still got frost bite and chilblains from the freakin' winter that wouldn't end. Folks, who really cares what Paul's doing or to whom he's doing it just as long as he's doing it and it doesn't involve any unpleasant bending. Wherever you are Paulie send me a postcard although in all honesty I really couldn't give a monkey's arse what you and Nancy (With the Laughing Face) are doing. Enjoy your billions of dollars, stay healthy and let me know when your next cd is coming out. In the meantime I'll be here doing my best to cull the mosquito population as I drain the moat and keep an eye out for West Nile disease, dengue fever, killer bees from Africa, a hole in the ozone, diphtheria, halitosis and whatever else the environmental alarmists tell me I'm supposed to fear. Bwahahaha!! ;D 5 Stars for this hilarious and sensible post. I can relate to you, Sir Frankie, on the damn weather front. Just returned from a week at my cottage at Georgian Bay, and was forced to spend half my time inside painting the sunroom because of the rain, wind, and swirling thunderstorms, day after day.......Grrrrrr... BUT, even that was better than coming back and reading a pile of bile and nonsense about what Paul McCartney should be doing for his summer vacation or the suitabiliy of his new girlfriend. I enjoyed reading all the news reports of Paul and Nancy's cross-country trek, and appreciate, as always, Steve's fine efforts in keeping us all informed. Hope you're having a blast, Paul, and wish you the best with your new lady.
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Post by sexysadie on Aug 13, 2008 4:28:11 GMT -5
Everyone loves the Paul and Nancy Show because they get tickled about the idea of two rich people (one of whom is also very famous) doing "normal" things. But they shouldn't confuse acting down-to-earth with being down-to-earth. It's wonderful that Paul appears to be enjoying this vacation. Undoubtedly it is a "get back" experience for him, reminding him of his life before he was famous, and as someone mentioned, the "let's get lost" drives he took with Linda. But this is no nostalgia trip for Nancy--it's never been HER life. Paul's eagerness to now embrace the "beautiful people" lifestyle, rather than stick to the one he shared with Linda, demonstrates that this back-to-basics exercise is but a temporary diversion for him, not the way he intends to live going forward. I find it majorly disappointing--so sue me. A couple of weeks on Route 66 won't change my mind about his selling out his values by going over the cliff for a privileged heiress like Nancy. I wonder, will he be taking her back to the farm? The only thing that is funnier than Nancy gritting her teeth out in flyover country is the mental picture of her trudging out to feed the animals in Peasmarsh.
It's tragic that no one cares enough about Paul, or is brave enough to risk ticking him off, to tell him that he needs to put some distance between himself and the divorce, cool his heels for a while, and take the time to dispassionately assess what was right with his marriage to Linda, and what was wrong with his marriage to Heather--before he immerses himself in another relationship, and God forbid, another marriage. If Stella has, as reported, approved her father's too-much-too-soon relationship with Nancy because Nancy is "financially independent," she needs a serious attitude adjustment. Those are the down-to-earth values her parents supposedly instilled in her? And if Paul really is angling to marry Nancy at the earliest opportunity--I presume when her divorce is final--he should have his head examined. Heather wasn't just a marriage gone wrong, she was a total trainwreck. He's acting like he's learned nothing. Would it really be so awful for him to proceed with caution? To date a variety of women? To consider spending time with a woman or two whose life experience is his life experience, rather than daughter-types who only know the Beatles phenomenon as history? "Marry in haste, repent at leisure." The ink is barely dry on the $50 million check for the last "repent." He can ill afford another.
I appreciate being slammed as "bitter," jimc. Have we met? I'm actually very, very grateful for what I have, and know that I am much more fortunate than many. But I went to work at 16 and paid my own way through college for six long years, and an additional year of professional school. So when I see a rich socialite like Nancy playing at being an average jane, I do find it hypocritical. Paul is another story, and I still (perhaps foolishly) believe that the guy who was married to Linda will eventually reappear, and will realize what a horrible mismatch Nancy is for him. I just hope it's not too late, that he doesn't rush to marry her. I agree with John that the relationship is a disaster in the making. It's in my nature as a woman to want to see Paul personally happy. It's fine for you not to care about the "suitability of Paul's new woman," Melody, but don't act like there's something wrong with those of us who do. Consider this--if he is happy, it's more likely he will continue to be involved in a public career for years to come. Does THAT matter to you? And as a first-gen fan, I'm really disturbed by the prospect of Nancy, or some other too-young-to-remember-when gal, getting her hands all over the Beatles legacy at some point. To her the Beatles would be just more trucks. Does THAT matter to you?
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Post by Sir Frankie Crisp on Aug 13, 2008 12:15:33 GMT -5
It's tragic that no one cares enough about Paul, or is brave enough to risk ticking him off, to tell him that he needs to put some distance between himself and the divorce, I think "tragic" might be an overstatement and obviously Paul's family (and fans) care deeply about him. But tell me, how exactly do you save someone from themself?
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Post by sallyg on Aug 13, 2008 16:35:10 GMT -5
Paul is leaking out, or letting leak out, enough information about this little old road trip so us fans, or should I say admirers, can feel all warm and fuzzy knowing that Paul and Nancy are just like us and they are soooo together. Paul is manipulating us once again as to his relationships as has happened since Jane Asher on up. It wasn't so long ago that Paul was so smitten with Heather, forcing her upon us through his public appearances with her on Larry King and political events; in his music("Heather"); and the whole 2002 tour. I think that Paul has a need to demonstrate to us how wonderful his women are to help convince himself. Paul is setting us up for his sure marriage to this Nancy. This marriage will fail too, mark my words. And Nancy would be much more trouble to Paul than Heather ever was in a potential divorce. Nancy apparently comes from money(maybe even mob money) and seems to be much more intelligent than Heather(at least not crazy) so she will be vicious but smart in a divorce, having her own assets to retain the best divorce attorneys in the world as she goes after Paul's fortune. People with money want more money and I agree that Nancy has spotted a sucker, someone whose wealth and prestige as one of the songwriting, lead singing Beatles could open up doors to her that even her dirty trucking money cannot. Paul is repeating the Heather mistake to a "t" but with a much more formidable opponent. This one could get really ugly if, God forbid, Paul loses the P.R. war. It was a no-brainer who the press and public would side with as to Heather but their tolerance and goodwill towards Paul will evaporate with a second marriage and subsequent divorce to another woman his daughter's age and who even looks like Mary McCartney. I agree with you that Paul wants us to know about his vacation. In an interview several months back, he said if someone makes a request to have their picture taken with him, he says no because with the way so many have cameras with cell phones everyone would want to have their picture taken with him and that would simply take too long. I hope for Paul's sake Nancy doesn't have an agenda in regards to her relationship with Paul. I agree with you that if there are any red flags, the red flags are more subtle. I think one red flag may be if her father Mike Shevell would have mob connections. I agree too that if Paul and Nancy marry and the marriage fails Paul would loose the PR war because people will be less likely to cut him some slack if he ends up involved in a second divorce battle. I hope things work out this time with Nancy and it does look like they're headed for the alter. Heck, for all we know, they could already be married and this vacation could be a honeymoon.
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Post by melody on Aug 14, 2008 1:59:09 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of presumptions on your part based on what is probably only speculation by the tabloid media about an impending marriage proposal. Only a couple months ago there was a news article sourced to a 'close pal' stateing Paul's intention not to ever marry again, due to his Heather experience. Which story do we believe? Until such time as Paul himself actually announces something or does something drastic, it's futile to worry about whether it's too soon or the right gal - and a bit much, imo, to slam him for it.
I'm not concerned about the caretaking of Paul's musical legacy -whether he ever marries again or not. He cares a great deal about it. He's probably already got people designated for that role - which may well include one or more of his children. At Nancy's age, she is old enough to have experienced the later Beatle era (she's about the same age as my younger brother) and he was certainly well acquanted with them - just about everyone on the planet was (except Yoko, apparently... ;D). She may have also been a fan of his 70's music, and beyond, for all we know, or of music in general. Why would you assume she has no appreciation and respect for art or Beatle music simply because she is a businesswoman in the trucking field? The members here no doubt have of a wide range of occupations and multiple interests. I find it ironic that you've taken offence to jimc calling you on the bitterness exibited in your earlier post (I agree with him that your writing comes off that way ) - because he's never met you, when you yourself then turn around and render a decisive slam against a woman you don't know, have never met, know little about, as being a horrible mismatch for Paul and a hypocrit.
His and her familys and friends, people who know and love them, are in the position to know and render an opinion, to give advice, if asked. You and I are not are not really in that position. We can all have our opinions from afar, express concern, and it's fun to gossip, but that's all it is, and most probably half-baked.
Let's not forget that Linda Eastman herself came from a wealthy and privileged background, not all that dissimilar from Nancy's. Good values, down-to-earth, stable, loving and supportive, could take things in stride, happiest mucking around on the farm with her kids and animals, but she also enjoyed the finer things in life wealth brought - her horses, several homes in the UK and US, exotic vactations, expensive art. It is possible that his new friend is cut from a somewhat similar cloth. Time will tell..
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Post by sexysadie on Aug 14, 2008 4:55:15 GMT -5
Linda rebelled against her family's wealth and social postion. She once said she preferred sitting in the kitchen talking to the hired help to being with her family's uppercrusty friends. She was in heaven at the farm in Scotland, which barely had furniture. Values aren't about what you own, or enjoying whatever financial success you achieve. Paul and Linda may have had a house in the Hamptons, but they didn't have a Hamptons mindset. I know some very wealthy people who love stripping paint and digging in their gardens, because it takes them back to their earlier lives when they didn't have money. "Old money" and "new money" are two totally different animals. Nancy, unlike Paul, has always had money. Beyond that, I've already explained my reasons for thinking she is "pampered and entitled," as acquaintances have described her.
Sallyg, to my knowledge, Nancy is still legally married. But I'd be shocked if he doesn't marry her as soon as she is free and clear. And I'm not at all sure that "tragic" is overstating things, although Sir Frankie's point about saving someone from himself is certainly well taken. Statistics show that 70% of remarriages after a divorce also fail. And when there are children involved, they are even more likely to fail (and there are six here, of all ages, to complicate matters.) I pulled up an article about remarriage after divorce, and all the red flags are there with Paul and Nancy. "Often, divorced people remarry quickly and find themselves living with the rebound or transitional person." "Sometimes, the second marriage was entered into for emotional or security reasons following a divorce." "Some divorced people rush into a second marriage because they are not equipped to live life in solitude or they feel they are incomplete without a mate." Paul is very insecure and constantly needs female companionship--Alistair Taylor once observed that you could "see the unhappiness written across his face" when he was without a woman. He desperately wants what he used to repeatedly say he had with Linda--"someone to grow old with." But marriage doesn't guarantee that, and when you are as wealthy and high-profile as Paul, all it DOES guarantee is a complicated, protracted and stressful legal mess when it doesn't work out. He waited three years to marry Heather, and even that length of time didn't help him avoid a bad marriage. Yet before the divorce was even final he was involved in another relationship, which has become very serious very quickly. You'll never convince me that Nancy would be interested in Paul if he weren't who he is--so how is she any different from Heather? He can date, cohabitate with, and/or jet off to exotic locales with whomever he wants, whenever he wants. But he'd be a fool to remarry in the near future. "The second marriage does not have to be another divorce for someone who is able to take time and find happiness as a single person." In fact, it's so difficult for women to separate who he is from what he is, he may be better off never remarrying. The sad truth is that he isn't especially adept at sussing out women with an agenda.
Gosh, John has really nailed it with this comment. I know there are members here who don't care about this and don't think anyone else should. But I can assure you that, in this celebrity-obsessed culture, there are plenty of people who are interested, some of whom now hold a lesser opinion of Paul because of Heather. If he hastily remarries, he is sure to alienate even more people. He'll look clueless at best, arrogant at worst. And if it doesn't work out--again--he may just be handing Heather the last laugh.
I see that the lovebirds are now in England. So what happened to the Bronco? And here I was joking when I speculated that it might be flown back to the East Coast on a private jet...
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Post by sallyg on Aug 14, 2008 7:48:25 GMT -5
Sallyg, to my knowledge, Nancy is still legally married. But I'd be shocked if he doesn't marry her as soon as she is free and clear.
It was just speculation on my part saying that they could already be married and their route 66 journey could be a honeymoon. Although it's assumed that Nancy's divorce hasn't been finalized, the public really doesn't know where things stand in her situation. When Nancy's divorce becomes finalized, there isn't likely going to be an announcement. I too would not be surprised if Paul doesn't marry Nancy as soon as her divorce is finalized.
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Post by richforman on Aug 15, 2008 11:24:47 GMT -5
> I know there are members here who don't care about this and don't think anyone else > should.
It's not that in my case, I just have been struck by how much insight you seem to think you have into Nancy's motivations in everything that's going on. Do you know her?
> I see that the lovebirds are now in England. So what happened to the Bronco? And here I > was joking when I speculated that it might be flown back to the East Coast on a private > jet...
I have noticed you seem to have a snarky, cynical reaction to pretty much absolutely everything Paul and/or Nancy do, whereever they are, however they get there, whatever they do when they're there. You have snide things to say about their being in the Hamptons, going out to dinner, going on their road trip, now being back in England, traveling by car, traveling by plane, going on vacation to the Caribbean, just being together at all in any way.
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Post by scousette on Aug 15, 2008 16:42:36 GMT -5
Is this Nancy???
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Post by melody on Aug 15, 2008 19:16:01 GMT -5
> I know there are members here who don't care about this and don't think anyone else > should. It's not that in my case, I just have been struck by how much insight you seem to think you have into Nancy's motivations in everything that's going on. Do you know her? > I see that the lovebirds are now in England. So what happened to the Bronco? And here I > was joking when I speculated that it might be flown back to the East Coast on a private > jet... I have noticed you seem to have a snarky, cynical reaction to pretty much absolutely everything Paul and/or Nancy do, whereever they are, however they get there, whatever they do when they're there. You have snide things to say about their being in the Hamptons, going out to dinner, going on their road trip, now being back in England, traveling by car, traveling by plane, going on vacation to the Caribbean, just being together at all in any way. Hello Rich Forman! Great to see her here. You won't know me but I sure remember you in the days when I lurked (and only occassionally) posted to the rmb newsgroup. One of my favorite posters. To answer sexy's qestion, who cares what happened to the Bronco because the lovebirds cut their romantic roadtrip short due to the arrival of Paul's newest grandson. Paul even included Nancy for the emotional introduction. How about that, eh? ;D
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Post by scousette on Aug 15, 2008 20:22:38 GMT -5
> I know there are members here who don't care about this and don't think anyone else > should. It's not that in my case, I just have been struck by how much insight you seem to think you have into Nancy's motivations in everything that's going on. Do you know her? > I see that the lovebirds are now in England. So what happened to the Bronco? And here I > was joking when I speculated that it might be flown back to the East Coast on a private > jet... I have noticed you seem to have a snarky, cynical reaction to pretty much absolutely everything Paul and/or Nancy do, whereever they are, however they get there, whatever they do when they're there. You have snide things to say about their being in the Hamptons, going out to dinner, going on their road trip, now being back in England, traveling by car, traveling by plane, going on vacation to the Caribbean, just being together at all in any way. Hi, richforman! Yes, sexysadie does seem to be quite snarky about everything Paul and Nancy do. My goodness, I thought I was obsessed about Beatle gossip, but sexysadie has me beat.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 15, 2008 21:57:37 GMT -5
Lovely Linda Forever, Nasty Nancy Never! This is my new battle cry. Right now it is a Nancy lovefest around here but when this relationship goes bust as it is sure to do and everyone curses her name and claims to have seen it coming all along, I am going to bump up these several Theads. By the way, Steve ran a blurb today or yesterday on his News Site that Paul's children are against another Paul marriage for the near future. They are wise.
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Post by sexysadie on Aug 16, 2008 2:41:48 GMT -5
Let's just hope he listens to the kids. THIS time.
I do wonder if the people who are now defending Nancy because Paul thinks she is sooo wonderful are the very ones who defended Heather for that same reason, when the more perceptive and intelligent fans were screaming what a mistake she was.
If Paul's judgment is so impeccable, explain Heather. Better yet, explain Give My Regards to Broad Street.
Yep, I am cynical about Paul and Nancy for a couple of reasons. Those who don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them. I see no evidence he has learned anything from his experience with Heather--except to only go after rich gals from here on in. Paul isn't going to replace Linda as "someone to grow old with" by pairing up with women a generation younger. He may be old, but Nancy ain't. By the time he's at the age of life expectancy, she'll still be years younger than he is now. And I don't believe Nancy would have the least bit of interest in someone twenty years older--who wears really fugly trainers with suits and sports obviously dyed hair--if he weren't rich and famous and able to give her a title. Plus, I don't trust any woman who doesn't eat.
Actually, I'm not sure that's cynicism. Maybe it's just common sense.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Aug 16, 2008 10:18:28 GMT -5
Let's just hope he listens to the kids. THIS time. I do wonder if the people who are now defending Nancy because Paul thinks she is sooo wonderful are the very ones who defended Heather for that same reason, when the more perceptive and intelligent fans were screaming what a mistake she was. If Paul's judgment is so impeccable, explain Heather. Better yet, explain Give My Regards to Broad Street. Yep, I am cynical about Paul and Nancy for a couple of reasons. Those who don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them. I see no evidence he has learned anything from his experience with Heather--except to only go after rich gals from here on in. Paul isn't going to replace Linda as "someone to grow old with" by pairing up with women a generation younger. He may be old, but Nancy ain't. By the time he's at the age of life expectancy, she'll still be years younger than he is now. And I don't believe Nancy would have the least bit of interest in someone twenty years older--who wears really fugly trainers with suits and sports obviously dyed hair--if he weren't rich and famous and able to give her a title. Plus, I don't trust any woman who doesn't eat. Actually, I'm not sure that's cynicism. Maybe it's just common sense. I think most everyone is kind of stepping back on Nancy and not rushing with the compliments. I would think ... I would hope Paul's learned a lesson after Heather, but if he hasn't, there's no teaching him.
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Post by sayne on Aug 16, 2008 11:49:36 GMT -5
. . . Plus, I don't trust any woman who doesn't eat . . . That is sooooo funny! I heard Nancy doesn't fart, either. ;D
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Post by winstonoboogie on Aug 16, 2008 12:30:40 GMT -5
> I know there are members here who don't care about this and don't think anyone else > should. It's not that in my case, I just have been struck by how much insight you seem to think you have into Nancy's motivations in everything that's going on. Do you know her? > I see that the lovebirds are now in England. So what happened to the Bronco? And here I > was joking when I speculated that it might be flown back to the East Coast on a private > jet... I have noticed you seem to have a snarky, cynical reaction to pretty much absolutely everything Paul and/or Nancy do, whereever they are, however they get there, whatever they do when they're there. You have snide things to say about their being in the Hamptons, going out to dinner, going on their road trip, now being back in England, traveling by car, traveling by plane, going on vacation to the Caribbean, just being together at all in any way. Hi, richforman! Yes, welcome, richforman!
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 16, 2008 12:52:41 GMT -5
Paul isn't going to replace Linda as "someone to grow old with" by pairing up with women a generation younger. He may be old, but Nancy ain't. By the time he's at the age of life expectancy, she'll still be years younger than he is now. And I don't believe Nancy would have the least bit of interest in someone twenty years older--who wears really fugly trainers with suits and sports obviously dyed hair--if he weren't rich and famous and able to give her a title. Plus, I don't trust any woman who doesn't eat. That is a good point. In a few years Sir Paul will want to stay at home and play his "Treat Her Gently/Lonely Old People"(from Venus And Mars) and "End Of The End" while Nancy, still smoking hot in her early 50's, will say to hell with that and she'll be wanting to play some Eagles' "Lyin' Eyes"(probably more her taste in music anyway): "Late at night a big old house gets lonely, I guess ev'ry form of refuge has its price. And it breaks her heart to think her love is Only given to a man with hands as cold as ice.
So she tells him she must go out for the evening, To comfort an old friend who's feelin' down. But he knows where she's goin' as she's leavin', She is headed for the cheatin' side of town."
Let's pray to the deity of our choice (or not) that Paul's life doesn't become that kind of soap opera. In terms of celebrity marriages, old Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash got it about right. Johnny had to go it alone for just a couple years as hard as those were for him. Paul, please play the field for awhile longer. Have fun, try variety in your dating and romance(just use protection) and enjoy your kids and grandkids for awhile unimpeded by the demands of your new woman. Why do you want a teenage stepson(Nancy's son) anyway? Take it from me, teenage stepsons are maniacs even in the best of situations; but look out when the maternal granddad is in the mob. Ever see the messed up son in The Sopranos? And don't forget Jane Asher. Sure she is still married but that didn't stop you from pursuing Nancy!
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Post by sallyg on Aug 16, 2008 19:21:43 GMT -5
Lovely Linda Forever, Nasty Nancy Never! This is my new battle cry. Right now it is a Nancy lovefest around here but when this relationship goes bust as it is sure to do and everyone curses her name and claims to have seen it coming all along, I am going to bump up these several Theads. By the way, Steve ran a blurb today or yesterday on his News Site that Paul's children are against another Paul marriage for the near future. They are wise. Right now my personal stance is to take no stance in regards to Nancy. My only hope is that she does not have any alterior motives because I don't want to see him get hurt and I sincerely wish him the best.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 16, 2008 19:30:21 GMT -5
Right now my personal stance is to take no stance in regards to Nancy. My only hope is that she does not have any alterior motives because I don't want to see him get hurt and I sincerely wish him the best. Hi sallyg, somehow your post got snagged in my quote. I totally respect your opinion but I don't want people thinking that I am not taking a stance on this Nancy woman. I am taking a stand because I don't like her. She will literally be the death of Paul or, I should say, her mob goons will. It will be like when Michael got rid of brother 'Fredo although Paul doesn't fish. He may end up sleeping with the fishes. In that case, at The Concert For Paul, Ringo can do what he did at George's tribute: recycle an old song saying that it now has a new meaning. In this case it would be "Octopus's Garden!"
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Post by sallyg on Aug 17, 2008 10:10:07 GMT -5
JSD, one of my concerns is that if Paul keeps getting himself involved in disastrous relationships or marriages with the wrong women, some people will know him more for things that go on in his personal life rather than his professional accomplishments. Also I would hate to see Paul end up becoming an old, lonely bitter man because he got burned by opportunistic women. I know if he would keep getting burned by opportunists, it would be partially his fault but it still wouldn't be easy to see this happen. He has given the world so much joy through his music that I think it would be nice to see him be happy. To me it's still too early to decide whether Nancy's intentions are genuine or if she is up to something. I agree that Nancy is more subtle Heather.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 17, 2008 12:10:14 GMT -5
JSD, one of my concerns is that if Paul keeps getting himself involved in disastrous relationships or marriages with the wrong women, some people will know him more for things that go on in his personal life rather than his professional accomplishments. Also I would hate to see Paul end up becoming an old, lonely bitter man because he got burned by opportunistic women. I know if he would keep getting burned by opportunists, it would be partially his fault but it still wouldn't be easy to see this happen. He has given the world so much joy through his music that I think it would be nice to see him be happy. To me it's still too early to decide whether Nancy's intentions are genuine or if she is up to something. I agree that Nancy is more subtle Heather. True. In Paul's glory solo years, 1973 to about 1979, he was only in the spotlight when performing, either releasing another classic album or touring with Wings. He could and would between these musical duties escape with Linda and kids for months at a time to Scotland with relative privacy. That made his reappearances with a new musical project so much more special back then. There was a Macca Mystique! There was never an oversaturation of Paul's personal life in those glorious days probably culminating with Wings Over America. You're right sallyg, for the past 10 years Paul has been getting a much bigger media buzz for his personal life rather than his music. He couldn't help it with Linda's death: that was a tragic event beyond even Paul's control. But Paul has been at least 50% at fault for this utter, complete debacle with Heather Mills that we fans have been subjected to since at least 2000 or so. Paul(and Linda) had it right in the 1970's: go public when there is new music, retreat back into privacy when not doing music and raise the kids. That is still good advice today as Paul again has a little daughter he shares parenting time with and she deserves the same rights to a semi-normal life as Heather, Mary, Stella and James got. In 2008, Paul seems like his celebrity lightswitch is always switched on. Sometimes it needs to be switched off. Paul might also find that if he does this there could be more anticipation(and thus demand) for his albums.
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Post by scousette on Aug 17, 2008 14:05:45 GMT -5
We also are living in a much different time with regard to media attention on "every little thing" that celebrities do. The younger folks in the recording industry are now the stars and Paul is featured in "news" items more for his personal life than for his work these days. Hear Music is the geezer label.
Mega-rich, mega-famous guys like Paul are always going to be preyed upon by opportunistic women. He really needs to have these women vetted by a private investigator. Heather had so much history already that he was totally stupid for getting involved with her. Nancy has the baggage of her father's alleged mob connections, but there could be more. Her ex-husband is a politician in NY and surely dirt will be dug up about him if this romance gets more serious.
We live in the "real" world. Paul doesn't, in that his wealth and fame put him in a much different milieu. He hangs with rich folk. In a way, I think Nancy is being pragmatic in seeing a man with his own wealth. If I had a big pile of money of my own, I would not want to put it at risk by getting involved with a gigolo or con man. Macca is a "safe" bet for her.
Now, this is not to say that I think she's OK. The startling resemblance to Mary McCartney creeps me out. Nancy is still too young, IMHO, for him, in that she is very close in age to his older daughters. This will always be troublesome. I have no idea if she is wacko or anything. I will watch this relationship cautiously. Paul's certainly not going to be taking MY advice, so I'll just be here on the sidelines, providing "color" commentary as the spirit moves me.
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Post by sallyg on Aug 17, 2008 14:30:31 GMT -5
You are right Scousette that things now are not the same as it was in the seventies or even eighties with the internet and news 24/7. I believe as you said that Paul's age could be also a factor in the media showing a greater interest in his personal life than his music. Sure wealthy men like Paul are always targets for opportunists and I believe that Nancy could feel safe with Paul because of his wealth and the fact that he's wealthier than she is. JSD, too bad that Paul's celebrity lightswitch is always on. I agree that there are times that the switch should be off. I would bet Paul feels this way too. He probably wants more privacy and less intrusion from the paps.
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Post by ChokingSmoker on Aug 17, 2008 14:36:05 GMT -5
I agree that there are times that the switch should be off. If Paul would just put those blue pills away, then and only then.
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Post by richforman on Aug 19, 2008 13:44:46 GMT -5
Hey thanks very much Melody and the others who gave me personal shout-outs in this thread, I don't check in with this board every day so didn't see them 'til now. Still hang out at rmb, it's going reasonably strong, I don't post quite as much as in the old days but still read it.
I really don't get any of the anti-Nancy arguments at all. No one has given a real-sounding reason not to completely give Nancy the benefit of the doubt about everything vis-a-vis her relationship with Paul, nor any reason I can see why Paul shouldn't absolutely date whoever he wants, when he wants, where he wants, etc. He lightly played the field and stayed on his own for a good long while while going through one of the ugliest public separations and divorces ever and maintained an unbelievably dignified and upbeat public "brave face," with more horrible accusations and mud slung his way every day for months at a time and never once took the bait. It seems to me he is absolutely entitled to and deserves whatever kind of happiness, companionship and fun he can find. In today's world, mid-60's is not *old*, there is no reason a man of this age should not be living life to the absolute fullest. Meanwhile, Nancy is pretty close to his age when you consider that no man of his age, in his position, (that is, with wealth, fame, youthful energy and looks, legendary musical talent) would be dating women his same age. And everyone seems to be ignoring completely what I think should be a huge factor in considering their relationship - namely that it grows out of a friendship they have had for decades, since during his first marriage. None of us knows absolutely anything about how Nancy feels about Paul and it's only our internal projections from stuff we've read in the papers that feed our opinions and impressions about it. There is no concrete reason, only dark-hearted gossippy speculation, to not assume that she enjoys his company, likes the way he treats her, admires and likes him from the many years they have known each other, basically, that they are in (the early fun/happy stages of) love as they appear to be. The idea that his 2nd marriage was a mistake and didn't work out, should lead McCartney to completely doubt his instincts from here on in, seems absolutely ridiculous to me. He made a mistake but he has been around for a long, long, time long before Heather came into the picture, has had many relationships over his life and has completely earned thru experience the right to (still, even after Heather) make his own judgments and decisions about his relationships. It's not like he's senile or demented.
If you say Paul should "learn his lesson" from the Heather experience, well there is a big difference here which is that his kids (who everyone cites as having had the right instinct about Heather all along), like Nancy and approve of her, and seem happy for their dad without qualification in his new romance. They say he shouldn't rush into marriage and I agree, but I haven't seen anywhere where Paul or Nancy says they plan to wed right away. Until that point, dating, traveling, shacking up, getting to know one another - if it seems like a good idea to them, who is anyone here to say no?
Before anyone jumps all over me, note that I have not said anything to indicate that I think Paul is perfect or a God or should get a pass on bad behavior or can do no wrong or any thing remotely similar. Just that nobody here knows enough (or really, anything at all) about Nancy or their relationship to meaningfully second-guess it.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 19, 2008 18:59:16 GMT -5
Hey thanks very much Melody and the others who gave me personal shout-outs in this thread, I don't check in with this board every day so didn't see them 'til now. Still hang out at rmb, it's going reasonably strong, I don't post quite as much as in the old days but still read it. I really don't get any of the anti-Nancy arguments at all. No one has given a real-sounding reason not to completely give Nancy the benefit of the doubt about everything vis-a-vis her relationship with Paul, nor any reason I can see why Paul shouldn't absolutely date whoever he wants, when he wants, where he wants, etc. He lightly played the field and stayed on his own for a good long while while going through one of the ugliest public separations and divorces ever and maintained an unbelievably dignified and upbeat public "brave face," with more horrible accusations and mud slung his way every day for months at a time and never once took the bait. It seems to me he is absolutely entitled to and deserves whatever kind of happiness, companionship and fun he can find. In today's world, mid-60's is not *old*, there is no reason a man of this age should not be living life to the absolute fullest. Meanwhile, Nancy is pretty close to his age when you consider that no man of his age, in his position, (that is, with wealth, fame, youthful energy and looks, legendary musical talent) would be dating women his same age. And everyone seems to be ignoring completely what I think should be a huge factor in considering their relationship - namely that it grows out of a friendship they have had for decades, since during his first marriage. None of us knows absolutely anything about how Nancy feels about Paul and it's only our internal projections from stuff we've read in the papers that feed our opinions and impressions about it. There is no concrete reason, only dark-hearted gossippy speculation, to not assume that she enjoys his company, likes the way he treats her, admires and likes him from the many years they have known each other, basically, that they are in (the early fun/happy stages of) love as they appear to be. The idea that his 2nd marriage was a mistake and didn't work out, should lead McCartney to completely doubt his instincts from here on in, seems absolutely ridiculous to me. He made a mistake but he has been around for a long, long, time long before Heather came into the picture, has had many relationships over his life and has completely earned thru experience the right to (still, even after Heather) make his own judgments and decisions about his relationships. It's not like he's senile or demented. If you say Paul should "learn his lesson" from the Heather experience, well there is a big difference here which is that his kids (who everyone cites as having had the right instinct about Heather all along), like Nancy and approve of her, and seem happy for their dad without qualification in his new romance. They say he shouldn't rush into marriage and I agree, but I haven't seen anywhere where Paul or Nancy says they plan to wed right away. Until that point, dating, traveling, shacking up, getting to know one another - if it seems like a good idea to them, who is anyone here to say no? Before anyone jumps all over me, note that I have not said anything to indicate that I think Paul is perfect or a God or should get a pass on bad behavior or can do no wrong or any thing remotely similar. Just that nobody here knows enough (or really, anything at all) about Nancy or their relationship to meaningfully second-guess it. rich, that is a perfectly rational post with many good points. I too hope that Paul goes out and shags a million hot babes. I would support him shagging anyone of legal age. Still, I am going to savor the big, I TOLD YOU SO! when this thing crashes and burns as it will. ;D
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Post by jimc on Aug 20, 2008 0:50:32 GMT -5
Hey thanks very much Melody and the others who gave me personal shout-outs in this thread, I don't check in with this board every day so didn't see them 'til now. Still hang out at rmb, it's going reasonably strong, I don't post quite as much as in the old days but still read it. I really don't get any of the anti-Nancy arguments at all. No one has given a real-sounding reason not to completely give Nancy the benefit of the doubt about everything vis-a-vis her relationship with Paul, nor any reason I can see why Paul shouldn't absolutely date whoever he wants, when he wants, where he wants, etc. He lightly played the field and stayed on his own for a good long while while going through one of the ugliest public separations and divorces ever and maintained an unbelievably dignified and upbeat public "brave face," with more horrible accusations and mud slung his way every day for months at a time and never once took the bait. It seems to me he is absolutely entitled to and deserves whatever kind of happiness, companionship and fun he can find. In today's world, mid-60's is not *old*, there is no reason a man of this age should not be living life to the absolute fullest. Meanwhile, Nancy is pretty close to his age when you consider that no man of his age, in his position, (that is, with wealth, fame, youthful energy and looks, legendary musical talent) would be dating women his same age. And everyone seems to be ignoring completely what I think should be a huge factor in considering their relationship - namely that it grows out of a friendship they have had for decades, since during his first marriage. None of us knows absolutely anything about how Nancy feels about Paul and it's only our internal projections from stuff we've read in the papers that feed our opinions and impressions about it. There is no concrete reason, only dark-hearted gossippy speculation, to not assume that she enjoys his company, likes the way he treats her, admires and likes him from the many years they have known each other, basically, that they are in (the early fun/happy stages of) love as they appear to be. The idea that his 2nd marriage was a mistake and didn't work out, should lead McCartney to completely doubt his instincts from here on in, seems absolutely ridiculous to me. He made a mistake but he has been around for a long, long, time long before Heather came into the picture, has had many relationships over his life and has completely earned thru experience the right to (still, even after Heather) make his own judgments and decisions about his relationships. It's not like he's senile or demented. If you say Paul should "learn his lesson" from the Heather experience, well there is a big difference here which is that his kids (who everyone cites as having had the right instinct about Heather all along), like Nancy and approve of her, and seem happy for their dad without qualification in his new romance. They say he shouldn't rush into marriage and I agree, but I haven't seen anywhere where Paul or Nancy says they plan to wed right away. Until that point, dating, traveling, shacking up, getting to know one another - if it seems like a good idea to them, who is anyone here to say no? Before anyone jumps all over me, note that I have not said anything to indicate that I think Paul is perfect or a God or should get a pass on bad behavior or can do no wrong or any thing remotely similar. Just that nobody here knows enough (or really, anything at all) about Nancy or their relationship to meaningfully second-guess it. Well said, sir. Thank you.
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